Has anybody come across a kit manufacturer under the name of `O7`?
I have a kit, but there are no other details of the makers name,or address on
the instructions.
TerryR
07 kits were bought many years ago by George Norton who passed them on to London
Road. When John Redrup of London Road stopped 7mm kits they went to Fourtrack
and now I believe are with Gladiator.
Depending on the kit you have, I would think that it may have changed quite a
lot. Not like some we have discussed on this group.
Regards
Stephen Barnfield
> To: 7mm@...
> From: t.ratheram@...
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:03:46 +0000
> Subject: [7mm] O7 kits
>
> Has anybody come across a kit manufacturer under the name of `O7`?
> I have a kit, but there are no other details of the makers name,or address on
the instructions.
> TerryR
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
I am currently building an original George Norton N8. Very different to the
Fourtrack version N9 I built some time ago. This one is not labelled as an
'07' kit though. Anybody know when the name change occurred, it would be
interesting to know how old this kit is.
Regards
Raymond
-----Original Message-----
From: 7mm@... [mailto:7mm@...] On Behalf Of
Stephen Barnfield
Sent: 10 July 2009 00:41
To: 7mm@...
Subject: RE: [7mm] O7 kits
Hi Terry
07 kits were bought many years ago by George Norton who passed them on to
London Road. When John Redrup of London Road stopped 7mm kits they went to
Fourtrack and now I believe are with Gladiator.
Depending on the kit you have, I would think that it may have changed quite
a lot. Not like some we have discussed on this group.
Regards
Stephen Barnfield
> To: 7mm@...
> From: t.ratheram@...
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:03:46 +0000
> Subject: [7mm] O7 kits
>
> Has anybody come across a kit manufacturer under the name of `O7`?
> I have a kit, but there are no other details of the makers name,or address
on the instructions.
> TerryR
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
obconical wrote:
> Has anybody come across a kit manufacturer under the name of `O7`?
> I have a kit, but there are no other details of the makers name,or address on
the instructions.
> TerryR
>
>
O7 was Keith Dales
As others have said O7 passed through my hands. The L&YR ones are now
with Lanky Kits and the NER with Gladiator. The instructions for my
versions of them are still on my website in pdf until September when the
domain name comes up for renewal so you can see if any extra bits are
available.
www.fourtrack.co.uk/
Then follow : 7mm scale : FourTrack Models Products : Downloads of
Instructions
This kit must be an original as I have not come across such items as say the
boiler in this kit-it appears to be a one piece casting with the smokebox and
boiler bands being part of it; should save quite a bit of work!
Regards
TerryR
----- Original Message -----
From: John Shelley
To: 7mm@...
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [7mm] O7 kits
obconical wrote:
> Has anybody come across a kit manufacturer under the name of `O7`?
> I have a kit, but there are no other details of the makers name,or address
on the instructions.
> TerryR
>
>
O7 was Keith Dales
As others have said O7 passed through my hands. The L&YR ones are now
with Lanky Kits and the NER with Gladiator. The instructions for my
versions of them are still on my website in pdf until September when the
domain name comes up for renewal so you can see if any extra bits are
available.
www.fourtrack.co.uk/
Then follow : 7mm scale : FourTrack Models Products : Downloads of
Instructions
--
Cheers for now,
John, from St Ciers 33820, France
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Terry wrote:
> Hi John
>
> This kit must be an original as I have not come across such items as say the
boiler in this kit-it appears to be a one piece casting with the smokebox and
boiler bands being part of it; should save quite a bit of work!
>
> Regards
> TerryR
Casting? Are you sure, most of the O7 kits had turned brass tube for
the boiler.
I`m sure the present version of this kit will have changed-as I mention to John
there are several parts which I don`t think would be in today`s kits-one being a
brass boiler casting incorpoating the smokebox and boiler bands.Also the buffers
and couplings are very high quality,and the frames are substantial . Just in the
middle of a D32 at the moment,but looking forward to starting the N8 as I get
the feeling it could make up well (I hope!)
Regards
TerryR
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Barnfield
To: 7mm@...
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: [7mm] O7 kits
Hi Terry
07 kits were bought many years ago by George Norton who passed them on to
London Road. When John Redrup of London Road stopped 7mm kits they went to
Fourtrack and now I believe are with Gladiator.
Depending on the kit you have, I would think that it may have changed quite a
lot. Not like some we have discussed on this group.
Regards
Stephen Barnfield
> To: 7mm@...
> From: t.ratheram@...
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:03:46 +0000
> Subject: [7mm] O7 kits
>
> Has anybody come across a kit manufacturer under the name of `O7`?
> I have a kit, but there are no other details of the makers name,or address
on the instructions.
> TerryR
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Regards
TerryR
----- Original Message -----
From: Raymond Walley
To: 7mm@...
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:57 AM
Subject: RE: [7mm] O7 kits
I am currently building an original George Norton N8. Very different to the
Fourtrack version N9 I built some time ago. This one is not labelled as an
'07' kit though. Anybody know when the name change occurred, it would be
interesting to know how old this kit is.
Regards
Raymond
-----Original Message-----
From: 7mm@... [mailto:7mm@...] On Behalf Of
Stephen Barnfield
Sent: 10 July 2009 00:41
To: 7mm@...
Subject: RE: [7mm] O7 kits
Hi Terry
07 kits were bought many years ago by George Norton who passed them on to
London Road. When John Redrup of London Road stopped 7mm kits they went to
Fourtrack and now I believe are with Gladiator.
Depending on the kit you have, I would think that it may have changed quite
a lot. Not like some we have discussed on this group.
Regards
Stephen Barnfield
> To: 7mm@...
> From: t.ratheram@...
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:03:46 +0000
> Subject: [7mm] O7 kits
>
> Has anybody come across a kit manufacturer under the name of `O7`?
> I have a kit, but there are no other details of the makers name,or address
on the instructions.
> TerryR
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
No, it has a substantial piece of turned brass tube, which gives the curved
flange and then a thinner piece tightly fitted for the smoke box wrapper and
no boiler bands. It does have high quality buffers but the etched rods and
frames are brass rather than the nickel silver used in the Fourtrack
version. I have started it and hope to continue work next week so will be
updating the entry for it on my website as I go.
The Fourtrack version of the boiler is different again, see the entry for
the N9 on my website.
Regards
Raymond
-----Original Message-----
From: 7mm@... [mailto:7mm@...] On Behalf Of
Terry
Sent: 10 July 2009 23:10
To: 7mm@...
Subject: Re: [7mm] O7 kits
Hi Raymond
Does your kit have a cast boiler/smokebox?
Regards
TerryR
----- Original Message -----
From: Raymond Walley
To: 7mm@...
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:57 AM
Subject: RE: [7mm] O7 kits
I am currently building an original George Norton N8. Very different to
the
Fourtrack version N9 I built some time ago. This one is not labelled as an
'07' kit though. Anybody know when the name change occurred, it would be
interesting to know how old this kit is.
Regards
Raymond
-----Original Message-----
From: 7mm@... [mailto:7mm@...] On Behalf Of
Stephen Barnfield
Sent: 10 July 2009 00:41
To: 7mm@...
Subject: RE: [7mm] O7 kits
Hi Terry
07 kits were bought many years ago by George Norton who passed them on to
London Road. When John Redrup of London Road stopped 7mm kits they went to
Fourtrack and now I believe are with Gladiator.
Depending on the kit you have, I would think that it may have changed
quite
a lot. Not like some we have discussed on this group.
Regards
Stephen Barnfield
> To: 7mm@...
> From: t.ratheram@...
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:03:46 +0000
> Subject: [7mm] O7 kits
>
> Has anybody come across a kit manufacturer under the name of `O7`?
> I have a kit, but there are no other details of the makers name,or
address
on the instructions.
> TerryR
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Just looked again more closely at the kit and have noticed that the name K Dales
appears after the O7 name,so does this indicate the earliest offering?
You are right in that it does appear that the boiler is a brass tube,starting
about 1.25mm thick at the smokebox end,and this has a further section of about
1.25mm thick tube over this to form the actual smokebox.Behind this the boiler
has been turned down,and then reduced yet again to under 1mm, leaving strips
untouched to represent the boiler bands.It has been drilled for washout
plugs,but not for chimney etc. I have just realised that part of this will need
to be cut away for the motor-what would be the best way for this as it is quite
a thickness to get through.
Regards
TerryR
----- Original Message -----
From: John Shelley
To: 7mm@...
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [7mm] O7 kits
Terry wrote:
> Hi John
>
> This kit must be an original as I have not come across such items as say the
boiler in this kit-it appears to be a one piece casting with the smokebox and
boiler bands being part of it; should save quite a bit of work!
>
> Regards
> TerryR
Casting? Are you sure, most of the O7 kits had turned brass tube for
the boiler.
Which kit is it?
--
Cheers for now,
John, from St Ciers 33820, France
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Terry wrote:
> Hi John
>
> Just looked again more closely at the kit and have noticed that the name K
Dales appears after the O7 name,so does this indicate the earliest offering?
> You are right in that it does appear that the boiler is a brass tube,starting
about 1.25mm thick at the smokebox end,and this has a further section of about
1.25mm thick tube over this to form the actual smokebox.Behind this the boiler
has been turned down,and then reduced yet again to under 1mm, leaving strips
untouched to represent the boiler bands.It has been drilled for washout
plugs,but not for chimney etc. I have just realised that part of this will need
to be cut away for the motor-what would be the best way for this as it is quite
a thickness to get through.
>
> Regards
> TerryR
>
Probably an original, although George Norton continued to use brass tube
the etched boilers and frames were introduced by London Road models.
As to how to make the cut out, Raymond's cutting disc is probably the
way to go, unless you fancy using plenty of elbow grease and a hacksaw.
If the idea of drilling all the holes doesn't appeal you could buy a
boiler etch from the current manufacturer. Who that is depends on the kit.
Terry
I'm not sure that a cutting disc is the best tool for cutting through what
is relatively thick brass.
The wear rate on the disc will be high and the particles from this with the
brass dust are not pleasant.
Even wearing safety goggles recently I found the particles were getting
behind them and could be felt on my eyes. Like getting caught in a
sandstorm. And this was simple trimming around a hole not a major
excavation.
I would persevere with a junior hacksaw with the boiler held firmly in a
vice. Use lead sheet to make soft grips. Don't use a blade purchased at B&Q
or similar; two or three strokes and the teeth are gone even in brass. Buy
from an engineering supplier.
Mark out the area you wish to remove, black felt tip and the line scribed
in that. Drill holes in the corners to terminate the cut. Cutting across the
diameter without marking the boiler beyond the cut will be difficult
whatever method used. Drill a series of holes close together and join them
up and then finish with a file. Use a new drill and centre pop the positions
so the drill point doesn't slip.
I suspect the brass will be at least half hard for its machining qualities
so drilling and sawing should be straightforward. If the brass produces very
fine individual pieces of swarf then this will confirm its hardness. Slivers
and spiral swarf will say it is softer brass and you will be stuck with
this.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: 7mm@... [mailto:7mm@...] On Behalf Of John
Shelley
Sent: 12 July 2009 08:53 AM
To: 7mm@...
Subject: Re: [7mm] O7 kits
Terry wrote:
> Hi John
>
> Just looked again more closely at the kit and have noticed that the name K
Dales appears after the O7 name,so does this indicate the earliest offering?
> You are right in that it does appear that the boiler is a brass
tube,starting about 1.25mm thick at the smokebox end,and this has a further
section of about 1.25mm thick tube over this to form the actual
smokebox.Behind this the boiler has been turned down,and then reduced yet
again to under 1mm, leaving strips untouched to represent the boiler
bands.It has been drilled for washout plugs,but not for chimney etc. I have
just realised that part of this will need to be cut away for the motor-what
would be the best way for this as it is quite a thickness to get through.
>
> Regards
> TerryR
>
Probably an original, although George Norton continued to use brass tube the
etched boilers and frames were introduced by London Road models.
As to how to make the cut out, Raymond's cutting disc is probably the way to
go, unless you fancy using plenty of elbow grease and a hacksaw.
If the idea of drilling all the holes doesn't appeal you could buy a boiler
etch from the current manufacturer. Who that is depends on the kit.
________________________________
From: Bob Alderman <bob@...>
To: 7mm@...
Sent: Sunday, 12 July, 2009 12:35:33
Subject: RE: [7mm] O7 kits
Terry
I'm not sure that a cutting disc is the best tool for cutting through what
is relatively thick brass.
The wear rate on the disc will be high and the particles from this with the
brass dust are not pleasant.
Even wearing safety goggles recently I found the particles were getting
behind them and could be felt on my eyes. Like getting caught in a
sandstorm. And this was simple trimming around a hole not a major
excavation.
I would persevere with a junior hacksaw with the boiler held firmly in a
vice. Use lead sheet to make soft grips. Don't use a blade purchased at B&Q
or similar; two or three strokes and the teeth are gone even in brass. Buy
from an engineering supplier.
Mark out the area you wish to remove, black felt tip and the line scribed
in that. Drill holes in the corners to terminate the cut. Cutting across the
diameter without marking the boiler beyond the cut will be difficult
whatever method used. Drill a series of holes close together and join them
up and then finish with a file. Use a new drill and centre pop the positions
so the drill point doesn't slip.
I suspect the brass will be at least half hard for its machining qualities
so drilling and sawing should be straightforward. If the brass produces very
fine individual pieces of swarf then this will confirm its hardness. Slivers
and spiral swarf will say it is softer brass and you will be stuck with
this.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: 7mm@yahoogroups. co.uk [mailto:7mm@yahoogroups. co.uk] On Behalf Of John
Shelley
Sent: 12 July 2009 08:53 AM
To: 7mm@yahoogroups. co.uk
Subject: Re: [7mm] O7 kits
Terry wrote:
> Hi John
>
> Just looked again more closely at the kit and have noticed that the name K
Dales appears after the O7 name,so does this indicate the earliest offering?
> You are right in that it does appear that the boiler is a brass
tube,starting about 1.25mm thick at the smokebox end,and this has a further
section of about 1.25mm thick tube over this to form the actual
smokebox.Behind this the boiler has been turned down,and then reduced yet
again to under 1mm, leaving strips untouched to represent the boiler
bands.It has been drilled for washout plugs,but not for chimney etc. I have
just realised that part of this will need to be cut away for the motor-what
would be the best way for this as it is quite a thickness to get through.
>
> Regards
> TerryR
>
Probably an original, although George Norton continued to use brass tube the
etched boilers and frames were introduced by London Road models.
As to how to make the cut out, Raymond's cutting disc is probably the way to
go, unless you fancy using plenty of elbow grease and a hacksaw.
If the idea of drilling all the holes doesn't appeal you could buy a boiler
etch from the current manufacturer. Who that is depends on the kit.
--
Cheers for now,
John, from St Ciers 33820, France
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Hello Raymond
Having looked again more closely,it is indeed a piece of brass tube,with a
further piece,equally as thick,fitted over this for the smokebox.The barrel has
been turned down leaving the boiler bands exposed.
I was wondering about cutting this for the motor,but having looked at your N9 I
see you have used cutting discs;I thought about these,but then thoiught an oxy
cutter might be the answer! :)
Sees strange that this has been drilled for washout plugs,but not for chimney
etc. or handrail knobs-that should get through a few drill bits!
Regards
TerryR
----- Original Message -----
From: Raymond Walley
To: 7mm@...
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: [7mm] O7 kits
Hello Terry,
No, it has a substantial piece of turned brass tube, which gives the curved
flange and then a thinner piece tightly fitted for the smoke box wrapper and
no boiler bands. It does have high quality buffers but the etched rods and
frames are brass rather than the nickel silver used in the Fourtrack
version. I have started it and hope to continue work next week so will be
updating the entry for it on my website as I go.
The Fourtrack version of the boiler is different again, see the entry for
the N9 on my website.
Regards
Raymond
-----Original Message-----
From: 7mm@... [mailto:7mm@...] On Behalf Of
Terry
Sent: 10 July 2009 23:10
To: 7mm@...
Subject: Re: [7mm] O7 kits
Hi Raymond
Does your kit have a cast boiler/smokebox?
Regards
TerryR
----- Original Message -----
From: Raymond Walley
To: 7mm@...
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 6:57 AM
Subject: RE: [7mm] O7 kits
I am currently building an original George Norton N8. Very different to
the
Fourtrack version N9 I built some time ago. This one is not labelled as an
'07' kit though. Anybody know when the name change occurred, it would be
interesting to know how old this kit is.
Regards
Raymond
-----Original Message-----
From: 7mm@... [mailto:7mm@...] On Behalf Of
Stephen Barnfield
Sent: 10 July 2009 00:41
To: 7mm@...
Subject: RE: [7mm] O7 kits
Hi Terry
07 kits were bought many years ago by George Norton who passed them on to
London Road. When John Redrup of London Road stopped 7mm kits they went to
Fourtrack and now I believe are with Gladiator.
Depending on the kit you have, I would think that it may have changed
quite
a lot. Not like some we have discussed on this group.
Regards
Stephen Barnfield
> To: 7mm@...
> From: t.ratheram@...
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:03:46 +0000
> Subject: [7mm] O7 kits
>
> Has anybody come across a kit manufacturer under the name of `O7`?
> I have a kit, but there are no other details of the makers name,or
address
on the instructions.
> TerryR
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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