pseudo-salafi lies against the Ghumari shuyukh ?

Ninou (also known as Ninowy) is so out of touch with the Islamic
spirit in Hadis

I am "Ahmad Darwish, servant of hadith"

(1) We have a video with Sidi Hasan in Arabic saying none of them
cursed Moawaiah
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8196279095019931285

(1) You said: "letter to Allama Sharif Boukhubza"

I wrote a book attacking Boukhubza, for he is a liar like Ninowy
see it here http://www.allah.com/pdf/khaniq.pdf

All these lies were spread in English by Ninowy in the west and his
friends, the students of shaykh Habashi - who passed away recently
mayb Allah have mecry on him - who explained in in explantation of
Tahawia contrary to Ninowy and his students misquoting him:

"mentioning any wrong done by any sahabi since they are not masoom
(heavenly protected) should not be mentioned with the *intention of
insulting such sahaba* rather it was only mentioned in order that
people learn from it and NOT do the same, otherwise scholars of Hadith
would not have reported it in the first place"

This is high thought and logic and understanding beyond you and Ninowy
to comprehend ... I will not address your deviation any more not due
lack of knowlege rather to let (1) Ninowy, (2) you, and (3) the
moderator bear the burden of introducing such deviation and lied materials

(2) HERE I GO AGAIN, I NEVER DROP THE BALL:

Ninou (also known as Ninowy) is so out of touch with the Islamic
spirit in Hadith that classify any person who lies once as a Liar for
ever in this science, therefore all that he says is rejected.

Ninou (also known as Ninowy) followers are struggling and facing
troubling dilema,whether to continue to follow a liar and share his
guilt, thereby by default they too become liars or do the right thing.

Indeed, Ninou (also known as Ninowy) must be the first Lieing shaykh
in history to bluff people by fabricating dates to gain status and a
reputation of being a scholar of hadith authoring but a few booklets
and stealing the work of others, when forced to retract stolen work,
he never appologizes rather he blames it on RECKLESS followers. This
is hard to swallow, when the work (Imam Nawawi 1950 hadith) remained
stolen for 4 years on his site, HERE YOU GO AGAIN.

رجاء أن تدافع
عن الحافظ عبد
الله بن
الصديق
وأسرته
ضدمحمد بن يحي
النينوي

AT LAST THE UNDISPUTABLE PROOF THAT NINOWY NEVER ACCOMPANIED HAFIZ
AHMAD AND ABDULLAH
In the year 1379h/1959 Hafiz Abdullah Ben Siddique published this book
on faith by Baihaqi - see dates scanned original pre-computer pages on
the title-page.
B e s t b o o k o n f a i t h b y I m a m B a i h a q i
http://www.al-mostafa.info/data/arabic/depot2/gap.php?file=014048.pdf
Incidentaly 1379h/1959 is a year before his brother Hafiz Ahmad passed
away in 1380h/1960 as per tomb stone verifies. Darwish was 8 years
old. Ninowy's mother had not even married his father. It is truly
amazing that Ninowy claimed he accompanied Hafiz Ahmad and also
studied with Hafiz Abdullah around 1987, this makes Ninowy 68 years
old while his birth certificate shows Ninowy was born in 1967! Short
of 27 years

This 68 years old could only be believed if:
1. Ninowy was born in 1940
2. Since many people born in 1940 and never met the Hafiz. Therefore
even if this is hyperthetically the case, it would still have to be proved
3. Hafiz Abdullah never mentioned Ninowy in his biography as he
mentioned others such as Ahmad Darwish
Ninowy's birth certificate year analysis

--- In Al-Ghumari@..., "Irfan" <a_faqir999@...> wrote:
>
> as-salamu `alaikum
>
> I hope that a similar amount of time will be dedicated to defend the
> Ghumari shuyukh from what has been spread about them by the pseudo-
> salafis on the internet !
>
>
> That they attacked the ash'aris:
>
> http://ahlalhdeeth.cc/vb/showthread.php?t=150844
> http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vb/showthread.php?t=93924
>
> That Shaykh Ahmad recommended Kitab al-Tawhid of Ibn Khuzaymah.
>
> That the Ghumari shuyukh attacked Sayyidina Mu`awiyah [RA].
>
> To support this most serious claim the pseudo-salafis produce the
> following quotes which they attribute to them:
>
> TAKEN FROM
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/salafi-
> youth/browse_thread/thread/909a315a8283b1ee/5aa4ea5548448c9f?
> lnk=raot#5aa4ea5548448c9f
>
> Here is a copy and paste from Ahmad Al Ghumari's leter to Allama
> Sharif Boukhubza about Al Ghumari's reasoning for declaring Mouawiyah
> (ra) as Kafir. Remember, such statements are found in many of Ahmad Al
> Ghumari's writings, among them the printed version of Ju'natul Attar,
> vol2 and vol 3.
>
> Here is what Al Ghumari says about the great Sahabi Muawiyah bin Abi
> Sufyan (radiyallah anhu):
>
> ولكـننا نـنشر ما حصلنا علـيه حالياً و هو المنشور في كـتاب "الجواب
> المفـيد" ، وننـقل هـنا نـص جواب الحافظ الغماري في شأن مـعاوية :
>
> (( أما المسألة الأخرى فلو قدر الله تعالى اجتماعنا بالأستاذ وسمع منا ما
> يتعلق بمعاوية لزال من نفسه كل غلط بثه فيه التشعر والدعاية الأشعرية
> التي أحكمها النواصب وحبكوها حبكا يروج على العقول الضعيفة ، وأدرجوها في
> كتب التوحيد وألحقوها بصفات الله تعالى وأسمائه ، أما المكاتبة فلا
> تكفي ، والأحاديث الثلاثة المذكورة اثنان منها صحيحان بأسانيد البخاري و
> شرطهما ، و هما
>
> If we could meet, and you can hear things about Muawiyah, you would
> clense yourself from every wrong and falsehood containing Ashari, and
> Ashari propoganda, that was fabricated and promoted by the Nawaseb, to
> fool those with weak minds. They (the Ashari's) put it (issue of
> Muawiyah being a Sahabi and just) in the books of Tawhid, and attached
> it to the attributes of Allah and His Names.
>
> Writing about this topic does not fulfill. The three mentioned
> ahadith, two of them are correct with te isnaad of Bukhari, and they
> are:
>
> حديث ( إذا رأيتم معاوية على منبري فاقتلوه ) ولذلك اضطر بعضهم إلى
> تحريفه فرواه بعضهم فاقبلوه بالباء ، واضطر الناصبي الكبير عبدالله بن
> أبي داود صاحب السنن ( أعني الأب صاحب السنن التي هي أحد الكتب الستة ،
> أما الابن فله مؤلفات أخرى وكان ناصبياً خبيثا وكان أبوه أبو داود يقول
> عنه : إنه كذاب فلا ترووا عنه ) اضطر هذا إلى زعمه أن معاوية هذا هو ابن
> التابوه وكان منافقاً حلف أن يتغوط على المنبر فقال النبي صلى الله عليه
> وسلم الحديث ، وذلك منه كذب كما ذكرته في ( كتاب جؤنة العطار ) وقد قال
> الحسن البصري أو غيره عقب رواية هذا الحديث : ( فقد رأينا معاوية يخطب
> فلم نقتله فما نجحنا و لا أفلحنا )
>
> hadith: (if you see Muawiyah on my Minbar, kill him), therefore some
> were forced to alter the Hadith, so they made it (if you see Muawiyah
> on my minbar, accept him).
> ......
> And Al Hasan Al Basri or others said after narrating this hadith: ( we
> have seen Muawiyah speaking on the Minbar and we did not kill him,
> therefore we did not succeed, nor passed).
>
> والحديث الثاني : رواه أحمد في مسنده من حديث عبدالله بن عمرو بن العاص
> قال : كنا جلوسا مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال : ( يطلع عليكم من
> هذا الفج رجل يموت يوم يموت على غير ملتي ) قال : وكنت تركت أبي يلبس
> ليخرج ، فخفت أن يطلع ، فطلع فـلان ، هكذا ستره أحمد في المسند على
> عادته ، لكن البلاذري صرح به فطلع معاوية ، ورواه من طرق كلها رجالها
> رجال البخاري ومسلم وقد ذكرها في جؤنة العطار
>
> The second hadith: is narrated by Ahmad in his Musnad from the hadith
> of Abdullah bin Amru bin Al Aas, he said:
> ( we were sitting with Rasullallah SAW and he said: "the first man who
> will come here, will die the day he dies on a religion other than
> Islam". I have left my father (Amru bin Al Aas) putting his clothes
> on, and I was scared that he will come first, but then ........
> came).
>
> This is how Ahmad (bin Hanbal) covered it in his Musnad as usual. But
> Al Balathiri mentioned it: Muawiyah came.
> And the hadith is narrated from many ways, all its narrators are
> narrators of Bukhari and Muslim.
>
> أما الثالث : فرواه جماعة بلفظ أن رجلا في النار ينادي ألف سنة يا حنان
> يا منان ، ورواه غيرهم من الثقات بلفظ أن معاوية في صندوق من نار ينادى
> فيه . الحديث .
>
> The third hadith: is narrated by many that a man will be in Hellfire
> calling for a 1000 yars Ya Hannan Ya Mannan. Other trustworthy
> narrators narrated with the wording: Muawiyah is in a box of Hellfire
> calling from it.
>
> وقد ذكرنا هذه الأحاديث كلها المأمون في خطبة ، التي رواها ابن جرير في
> التاريخ سنة 271 أو بعدها ، ونقل تلك الخطبة برمتها السيد محمد بن عقيل
> في آخر النصائح الكافية ، و في الصحيح صحيح مسلم عن علي عليه السلام
> قال : ( والذي فلق الحبة وبرأ النسمة إنه لعهد عهده إلي رسول الله صلى
> الله عليه وسلم أن لا يحبني إلا مؤمن و لا يبغضني إلا منافق ) و في صحيح
> الحاكم و غيره : ( من سب عليا فقد سبني و من سبني فقد سب الله ) و من سب
> الله كفر
>
> And I have mentioned these Ahadith in a speech given by Al Ma'moon,
> narrate by Ibn Jarir in the history of year 271 or after it. Sayyed
> Muhammad bin Aqil also narrated the entire Speech in his book Nasa'eh
> Al Kafiyah, and in Sahih of Muslim, through Ali Alaihi asalam said:
> (by the one who split the pea and created the breeze, it is the oath
> of the Prophet to me, that only a believer loves me, and a Munafeq
> hates me), and in Sahih of Hakim and others: (who denconces Ali has
> denounced me, and who denounced me, has dencounced Allah), and who
> denounced Allah is Kafir.
>
> و في الصحيح و غيره مما تواتر تواترا مقطوعا به : ( من كنت مولاه فعلي
> مولاه اللهم وال من والاه و عاد من عاداه ) و هذا الحديث قد جمع أسانيده
> ابن جرير الطبري في مجلدين لكثرتها ، ورد عليه الباقلاني الأشعري البصري
> الخ فكان مغربا ، وابن جرير مشرقا
>
> And in an uthic narration, that is Mutawater definitiely: ( who i was
> his Mawla, then Ali is his Mawla, O Allah support those who support
> him, and be an enemy to his enemies).
> ..........
> فابن جرير يورد الأحاديث وأسانيدها التي أبهرت عقول الحفاظ ، والباقلاني
> يبحث معه بعقله الأشعري البصري
>
> و لا يخفاك أن النواصب كان مقرهم بالشام و البصرة و الأندلس ، و المقصود
> من هذه الأحاديث الصحيحة المتفق عليها مع ما تواتر من لعن معاوية لعلي
> على المنبر طول حياته وحياة دولته إلى عمر بن عبدالعزيز وقتاله وبغضه ،
> يطلع منه أنـه مـنافـق كـافـر
>
> And it should not be hidden from you that the Nawaseb were primarily
> in Syria, Basra, and Andalus. And the aim of those Ahadith that are
> agreed upon, along with the definitive narrations that Muawiyah used
> to curse Ali all his life, and through the life of his government
> until Umar bin Abdul Aziz, and fighting him, and hating him, all would
> lead you to the conclusion that he (Muawiyah) is Munafeq and kafer.
>
> فهي مؤيدة لتلك الأحاديث الأخرى ، و يزعم النواصب أن ذلك ( أعني لعن
> معاوية لعلي ) كان اجتهادا ، مع أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول في
> مطلق الناس : ( لعن المؤمن كقتله ) ، فإذا كان الاجتهاد يدخل اللعن
> وارتكاب الكبائر فكل سارق وزان وشارب وقاتل يجوز أن يكون مجتهدا ، فلا حد
> في الدنيا ولا عقاب في الآخرة
>
> All is supported by the other Hadith as well. Nawaseb claim that
> (cursing of Ali by Muawiayh) was a matter of Ijtihaad. Though the
> Prophet SAW says in the laymen people : (Cursing the Mu'min is like
> killing him). So if Cursing a Mu'min is a matter of Ijtihaad, then
> also other Kaba'er, such as stealing, adultry, drinking, killing,
> etc.. all are subjective to be a matter of Ijtihaad. Therefore, there
> should be no punishement in the Dunya, nor in the Akhira.
>
> و الكلام طويل ولو كان عندي كتابا ( تقوية الإيمان ) و ( النصائح
> الكافية ) لأرسلتهما للأستاذ فإن فيهما ما يكفي ، أو لو قدر الله
> اجتماعنا لسمع ما يشرح الله به صدره لاعتقاد الحق إن شاء الله تعالى ، و
> لو قرأ جؤنة العطار الجزء الأول لرأى فيه أيضاً ما يسره
>
> The topic is large, and if I had the book Taqwiyatul Iman and Nasa'eh
> Al Kafiya, I would have sent them to you as in them is sufficient. Or
> if Allah wills that we meet, then you would hear what will clear your
> heart to teh righteous belief. And if you had read Junatul Attar, the
> first volume, you would find things that will make you pleased.
>
> وقد زارني موقت الدار البيضاء عقب اطلاعه على الكتاب وهو مخطوط أعني
> ( توجيه الأنظار ) واستشكل منه مسألة معاوية فأعطيناه درسا خرج مسرورا
> راجعا إلى رشده وهو من عدول البيضاء
>
> و يكفيه الحديث المتواتر أيضا ( عمار تقتله الفئة الباغية ، يدعوهم إلى
> الجنة ويدعونه إلى النار )
> And the Mutawater Hadith of ( Ammar will be killed by the Baghiyah
> group, he is calling them to Janna, they are calling him to Hellfire).
>
> ولو وجدت نشاطا لتوسعت في هذا الموضوع ولكن الحرص على السرعة بالجواب خوف
> النسيان يحملني على كتابة ما يفتح الله به الحال ويسمح به الوقت ويساعد
> عليه النشاط ))
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> This is in summry what te Ghumari's believe about the great Sahabi of
> the Prophet SAW, Muawiyah (RA)., and more to come on the topic of the
> stands of the Ghumari's
>
>
>
> AND
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/salafi-
> youth/browse_thread/thread/4925e49a99359a6a/4fba5f4b97de26ae?
> lnk=raot#4fba5f4b97de26ae
>
> There are more than a few problems with the Ghumari's. We will try to
> shed light on them one after te other. After all, Sheikh Hassan Ali
> Saqqaff is one of their fruits, among many others.
>
> Shaykh Abdullah Al Ghumari UNEQUIVICALLY declares the great Sahabi
> Muawiyah (ra) as Murtad (Kafer).
>
> The following is an excerpt from his widely available book, called
> (Nihayatul Aamaal fi Sihhati wa Shar'hi Ardi Al-Amaal), page 7.
> Sheikh Abdullah Ghumari says:
>
> "نهاية الآمال في صحة وشرح عرض الأعمال"(ص/7)
>
> تعليقا على حديث: "أنا فرطكم على الحوض ليرفعن إلي رجال منكم حتى إذا
> أهويت لأناولهم اختلجوا دوني،
>
> فأقول: أي رب أصحابي ! يقول: لاتدري ما أحدثوا بعدك" :
>
> "أننا نجزم بأنه في معاوية وأصحابه ممن حارب الإمام الحق، وخرج عليه،
> وفعل الأفاعيل
>
> ( Making a commentary on the hadith in Bukhari and Muslim -which talks
> about those who rejected Islam (murtadin) from the Sahaba who were
> fought by Abu Bakr (ra). Here is the Hadith as Imam Bukhari narrates
> it:
>
> Al Jaami` Al Saheeh. Version 1.07 - By Imam Al Bukhari
> Volume 4
>
> 4.568:
> Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
> The Prophet said, "You will be gathered (on the Day of Judgment),
> bare-
> footed, naked and not circumcised." He then recited:--'As We began the
> first creation, We, shall repeat it: A Promise We have undertaken:
> Truly we shall do it.' (21.104) He added, "The first to be dressed on
> the Day of Resurrection, will be Abraham, and some of my companions
> will be taken towards the left side (i.e. to the (Hell) Fire), and I
> will say: 'My companions! My companions!' It will be said: 'They
> renegade from Islam after you left them.' Then I will say as the Pious
> slave of Allah (i.e. Jesus) said. 'And I was a witness Over them while
> I dwelt amongst them. When You took me up You were the Watcher over
> them, And You are a witness to all things. If You punish them. They
> are Your slaves And if You forgive them, Verily you, only You are the
> All-Mighty, the All-Wise." (5.120-121)
>
> It basically talks about the Murtaddin (rejectors of the Deen) who
> will go to Jahannam.
> Sheikh Abdullah Al Ghumari says:
>
> أنا فرطكم على الحوض ليرفعن إلي رجال منكم حتى إذا أهويت لأناولهم
> اختلجوا دوني،
>
> فأقول: أي رب أصحابي ! يقول: لاتدري ما أحدثوا بعدك" :
>
> "أننا نجزم بأنه في معاوية وأصحابه ممن حارب الإمام الحق، وخرج عليه،
> وفعل الأفاعيل
>
> ( "We do not -Al Ghumari is saying- have a doubt that this hadith is
> in Muawiyah and his companions, who fought the righteous Imam, and
> rejected him, and did things").
>
> Note the dangerous statement by Al Ghumari, he is not only declaring
> Muawiyah as Murtad and Kafer, but also other sahaba who fought with
> Muawiyah (ra), such as the great Sahabi Amru bin Al-Aas (ra), and many
> other Sahaba with him.
> He considers the Hadith of Murtaddin in Muawiyah (ra) and other
> companions with him.
>
> AND
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/salafi-
> youth/browse_thread/thread/36882420028daa03/1aa4f6e40cc57cae?
> lnk=raot#1aa4f6e40cc57cae
>
>
> Not only Sheikh Abdullah Al Ghumari declared Muawiyah (ra) Kafer in
> his book "Niyatul Amaal", but also his brother Sheikh Abdul Aziz, says
> that unquivically.
>
> Excerpts from Sheikh Abdul Aziz Book called "Al Mu'tasi" :
>
> وبيان حال معاوية وأتباعه ومن انضوى تحت لوائه وذكر مخازيهم وفضائحهم
> وكونهم لم يشموا رائحة الإسلام فضلا على أن يكونوا من الأصحاب.
>
> Al Ghumari says in his Book:
> (" And I have been yearning to write about the state of Muawiyah and
> his followers, and those who were unde his banner. To mention their
> evil character, expose them, and prove that they have NOT SMELLED
> Islam, let along being among the companions").
>
> Here in his Book, sheikh Abdul Azizi Al Ghumari declares unequivically
> that Muawiyah (ra), Amru bin Al-Aas (ra), and many others, have not
> even smelled Islam, let along being Muslims!!, let along being
> companions!!!
>