Hi Helen, if she was born in London, what makes you think she was
married in hampshire?
Sue

--- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., "Helen Ginn" <ginn@...> wrote:
>
> Listers:
>
> I am searching for connections to an Elizabeth BARNELL who was married
> by licence 20 Feb. 1802 in Christchurch, Hampshire.  There doesn't seem
> to be any other information for an Elizabeth BARNELL on the IGI other
> than her marriage.  I think she may have been born in the London area
> circa 1780.  Are there any BARNELL connections out there?
>
> Kind regards,
> Helen Ginn
>

Does anyone have details of the marriage between James Jones and Martha Jones at
St Dunstans 21/10/1832. I need his parents names and any other details that are
available.

Many thanks

Barbara.

Does anyone have access to the 1861 census for Mile End,Stepney Middlesex area.
Looking for details of Eliza Jones born 1857 Mile End and who her family was.

Greatly appreciated.
Barbara

Hi Barbara
Just had a quick look. Couldn't immediately see an Eliza JONES born c1857 Mile
End, but there are two families with an Eliza JONES born c1857 Stepney.
Colleen

Details as follows:

FAMILY NO 1: Living at No 6 Well Street N, parish of Bethnal Green, Source
Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 256; Folio: 178; Page: 31; GSU roll: 542601

Name: Eliza Jones
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph John Jones
Mother's name: Harriett A Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 177
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph John Jones 27, warehouseman, born MDX, Kingsland
Harriett A Jones 19, born MDX, Hackney
Eliza Jones 4, born MDX, Stepney
Joseph W Jones 6 MO, born MDX, Bethnal Green


FAMILY NO 2; Living at No 9 Clyde Terraces, Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece:
289; Folio: 128; Page: 36; GSU roll: 542607
Name: Eliza Jones
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Richard Jones
Mother's name: Elizabeth Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Limehouse
Ecclesiastical parish: Limehouse St Paul
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Limehouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 192
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Jones 33, cooper, born MDX, St George in the East
Elizabeth Jones 28, born MDX, Poplar
Richard Jones 7, born MDX, Limhouse
Eliza Jones 4, born MDX, Stepney
Clara Jones 2, born MDX, Limehouse

--- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., "barbara s" <bubblybabs1@...>
wrote:
>
> Does anyone have access to the 1861 census for Mile End,Stepney Middlesex
area. Looking for details of Eliza Jones born 1857 Mile End and who her family
was.
>
> Greatly appreciated.
> Barbara
>

Hi Barbara
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the parish marriage entries of this
period did not list parent names.
The entry for your James and Martha reads as follows:
James JONES of this parish bachelor and Martha JONES of this parish spinster
were married in this church by banns this 21st day of October 1832 by me (name
of curate).
Both parties signed their names.
Witnesses John DONOVAN and Sarah DUPREES.
Reg No 485 on Page 162 in the register of Saint Dunstan, Stepney.
Regards
Colleen

--- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., "barbara s" <bubblybabs1@...>
wrote:
>
> Does anyone have details of the marriage between James Jones and Martha Jones
at St Dunstans 21/10/1832. I need his parents names and any other details that
are available.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Barbara.
>

Hi Barbara

The parish entries - and subsequent marriage certificates after 1837 are an
improvement in the amount of information given.
Looking at the James JONES marriage 1838; the parish register reads:

Jan 1st 1838. James JONES of full age bachelor mariner residence 14 Redman's
Row, father Richard JONES packer
married Mary Ann CAMBRIDGE of full age spinster residence 14 Redman's Row father
John CAMBRIDGE hatter?
James JONES signed; Mary Ann CAMBRIDGE made her mark.
Witnesses John CAMBRIDGE (signed his name) and Isabella JONES (made her mark).
Married in the parish church of Stepney, MDX by Edwd JAMES.
Reg No 315 on Page 160.

On this particular record it states that this James JONES was a bachelor. At
this time, no specific ages were (generally) recorded, just 'of full age'.
Occasionally, I've seen an exact age written - probably depended on the mood of
the parish curate/vicar/registrar at the time.

Regards
Colleen


--- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., barbara smith
<bubblybabs1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Doreen
> Thanks again.
> Will check the births of parents of Eliza and maybe one will be the son of
my 
> James Jones & his first wife either Martha Jones the one you gave me  or Anne
> Smith.  I only know James Jones was a widower when he married at St Dunstans
in
> 1838  Mary Ann Cambridge . I found a marriage at St George the Martyr in
> Middlesex 28/2/1826 to Anne Smith then found  a death in 1838 of Anne Vaughan
> Jones at York Place same address as on baptisms for James children from 1st
and
> 2nd wife when they were older so confusing. 
>
> Eliza I found on the 1871 census with her grandfather James Jones and wife
Mary
> Ann she was listed as 14 born in Mile End as a nurse maid. Didn't find parents
> but then didn't know there names. 
>
> Appreciate your prompt reply to my querry.
>
> Barbara . 
>  Barbara Lefevre-Smith,author
> check out Authorhouse.com,amazon.co.uk.tesco.com
> Beyond Reach on Hillbilly Heroin
> Deep Ruts the Wagons made
> Early Settlers of Banks Co(GA) including slaves
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Colleen <rangcf54@...>
> To: EastLondonFamilyHistory@...
> Sent: Wed, 27 October, 2010 2:46:25
> Subject: [EastLondonFamilyHistory] Re: 1861 Census,Mile End,Stepney area
>
>  
> Hi Barbara
> Just had a quick look. Couldn't immediately see an Eliza JONES born c1857 Mile
> End, but there are two families with an Eliza JONES born c1857 Stepney.
> Colleen
>
> Details as follows:
>
> FAMILY NO 1: Living at No 6 Well Street N, parish of Bethnal Green, Source
> Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 256; Folio: 178; Page: 31; GSU roll: 542601
>
> Name: Eliza Jones
> Age: 4
> Estimated birth year: abt 1857
> Relation: Daughter
> Father's name: Joseph John Jones
> Mother's name: Harriett A Jones
> Gender: Female
> Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
> Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
> Ecclesiastical parish: St John
> County/Island: Middlesex
> Country: England
> Street address:
>
> Registration district: Bethnal Green
> Sub-registration district: Green
> ED, institution, or vessel: 19
> Neighbors: View others on page
> Household schedule number: 177
> Household Members:
> Name Age
> Joseph John Jones 27, warehouseman, born MDX, Kingsland
> Harriett A Jones 19, born MDX, Hackney
> Eliza Jones 4, born MDX, Stepney
> Joseph W Jones 6 MO, born MDX, Bethnal Green
>
> FAMILY NO 2; Living at No 9 Clyde Terraces, Source Citation: Class: RG9;
Piece:
> 289; Folio: 128; Page: 36; GSU roll: 542607
> Name: Eliza Jones
> Age: 4
> Estimated birth year: abt 1857
> Relation: Daughter
> Father's name: Richard Jones
> Mother's name: Elizabeth Jones
> Gender: Female
> Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
> Civil Parish: Limehouse
> Ecclesiastical parish: Limehouse St Paul
> County/Island: Middlesex
> Country: England
>
> Registration district: Stepney
> Sub-registration district: Limehouse
> ED, institution, or vessel: 26
> Neighbors: View others on page
> Household schedule number: 192
> Household Members:
> Name Age
> Richard Jones 33, cooper, born MDX, St George in the East
> Elizabeth Jones 28, born MDX, Poplar
> Richard Jones 7, born MDX, Limhouse
> Eliza Jones 4, born MDX, Stepney
> Clara Jones 2, born MDX, Limehouse
>
> --- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., "barbara s" <bubblybabs1@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have access to the 1861 census for Mile End,Stepney Middlesex
area.
> >Looking for details of Eliza Jones born 1857 Mile End and who her family was.
> >
> > Greatly appreciated.
> > Barbara
> >
>

Hi Barbara

Always a bit difficult to follow the families of other researchers. We get very
close to our own families and know all the tricky bits but without a tree to
look at I find I get a bit confused with other people's families.

Can you make a list of:
1. Individuals you'd like more information about
2. Family groups you'd like more information about

I'm gathering that we're talking about 3 generations of JONESes here but I can't
quite get a grasp on who is who.

Could you also include information you already have about these individuals and
families; eg dates and parishes/locations (even if they're a bit of a guess),
census data you already have.

We have a few avid members who enjoy doing look-ups using resources they have
access to - but it's no use giving you back what you already know - and of
course, not much fun for the members to spend time looking up records and then
find out that you knew this anyway.

Chat again soon
Colleen


--- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., barbara smith
<bubblybabs1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Colleen
> Got that marriage  and I know it says bachelor but I checked at the libary
for
> the Banns for St Dunstans and there he was James Jones widower and Mary Ann
> Cambridge spinster of this Parish same date etc. Thanks for looking though
> appreciate it.
>
> If James was married prior to this wedding then that would account  for the
> daughter Martha on the 1851 census Tower Hamlets, Mile End Old Town  born
1833.
> There was another daughter Ann not found on the census with family born
between
> 1834/1836 who was christened along with Martha and the other family members
in
> 1854 at St Dunstans.. 
> Everything about this family has been hard work. Never could undertand why
one
> son who was born dec 1844 and baptised January  1845 St Peters, 10 years 
prior
> to the others(my gt grandfather) 
>
> Do you have an Ann Jones born that period on any census for Middlesex for 1851
> as I never found her. Her family was  in Mile End Old Town as per 1851,1861
and
> 1871 census but she was never on them which was strange. .
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Barbara
> Barbara Lefevre-Smith,author
> check out Authorhouse.com,amazon.co.uk.tesco.com
> Beyond Reach on Hillbilly Heroin
> Deep Ruts the Wagons made
> Early Settlers of Banks Co(GA) including slaves
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Colleen <rangcf54@...>
> To: EastLondonFamilyHistory@...
> Sent: Thu, 28 October, 2010 2:46:13
> Subject: [EastLondonFamilyHistory] Re: 1861 Census,Mile End,Stepney area
>
>  
> Hi Barbara
>
> The parish entries - and subsequent marriage certificates after 1837 are an
> improvement in the amount of information given.
> Looking at the James JONES marriage 1838; the parish register reads:
>
> Jan 1st 1838. James JONES of full age bachelor mariner residence 14 Redman's
> Row, father Richard JONES packer
> married Mary Ann CAMBRIDGE of full age spinster residence 14 Redman's Row
father
> John CAMBRIDGE hatter?
> James JONES signed; Mary Ann CAMBRIDGE made her mark.
> Witnesses John CAMBRIDGE (signed his name) and Isabella JONES (made her mark).
> Married in the parish church of Stepney, MDX by Edwd JAMES.
> Reg No 315 on Page 160.
>
> On this particular record it states that this James JONES was a bachelor. At
> this time, no specific ages were (generally) recorded, just 'of full age'.
> Occasionally, I've seen an exact age written - probably depended on the mood
of
> the parish curate/vicar/registrar at the time.
>
> Regards
> Colleen
>
> --- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., barbara smith
> <bubblybabs1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Doreen
> > Thanks again.
> > Will check the births of parents of Eliza and maybe one will be the son of
my 
> >
> > James Jones & his first wife either Martha Jones the one you gave me  or
Anne
>
> > Smith.  I only know James Jones was a widower when he married at St
Dunstans
> >in
> >
> > 1838  Mary Ann Cambridge . I found a marriage at St George the Martyr in
> > Middlesex 28/2/1826 to Anne Smith then found  a death in 1838 of Anne
Vaughan
>
> > Jones at York Place same address as on baptisms for James children from 1st
and
> >
> > 2nd wife when they were older so confusing. 
> >
> > Eliza I found on the 1871 census with her grandfather James Jones and wife
Mary
> >
> > Ann she was listed as 14 born in Mile End as a nurse maid. Didn't find
parents
>
> > but then didn't know there names. 
> >
> > Appreciate your prompt reply to my querry.
> >
> > Barbara . 
> >  Barbara Lefevre-Smith,author
> > check out Authorhouse.com,amazon.co.uk.tesco.com
> > Beyond Reach on Hillbilly Heroin
> > Deep Ruts the Wagons made
> > Early Settlers of Banks Co(GA) including slaves
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Colleen <rangcf54@>
> > To: EastLondonFamilyHistory@...
> > Sent: Wed, 27 October, 2010 2:46:25
> > Subject: [EastLondonFamilyHistory] Re: 1861 Census,Mile End,Stepney area
> >
> >  
> > Hi Barbara
> > Just had a quick look. Couldn't immediately see an Eliza JONES born c1857
Mile
>
> > End, but there are two families with an Eliza JONES born c1857 Stepney.
> > Colleen
> >
> > Details as follows:
> >
> > FAMILY NO 1: Living at No 6 Well Street N, parish of Bethnal Green, Source
> > Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 256; Folio: 178; Page: 31; GSU roll: 542601
> >
> > Name: Eliza Jones
> > Age: 4
> > Estimated birth year: abt 1857
> > Relation: Daughter
> > Father's name: Joseph John Jones
> > Mother's name: Harriett A Jones
> > Gender: Female
> > Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
> > Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
> > Ecclesiastical parish: St John
> > County/Island: Middlesex
> > Country: England
> > Street address:
> >
> > Registration district: Bethnal Green
> > Sub-registration district: Green
> > ED, institution, or vessel: 19
> > Neighbors: View others on page
> > Household schedule number: 177
> > Household Members:
> > Name Age
> > Joseph John Jones 27, warehouseman, born MDX, Kingsland
> > Harriett A Jones 19, born MDX, Hackney
> > Eliza Jones 4, born MDX, Stepney
> > Joseph W Jones 6 MO, born MDX, Bethnal Green
> >
> > FAMILY NO 2; Living at No 9 Clyde Terraces, Source Citation: Class: RG9;
Piece:
> >
> > 289; Folio: 128; Page: 36; GSU roll: 542607
> > Name: Eliza Jones
> > Age: 4
> > Estimated birth year: abt 1857
> > Relation: Daughter
> > Father's name: Richard Jones
> > Mother's name: Elizabeth Jones
> > Gender: Female
> > Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
> > Civil Parish: Limehouse
> > Ecclesiastical parish: Limehouse St Paul
> > County/Island: Middlesex
> > Country: England
> >
> > Registration district: Stepney
> > Sub-registration district: Limehouse
> > ED, institution, or vessel: 26
> > Neighbors: View others on page
> > Household schedule number: 192
> > Household Members:
> > Name Age
> > Richard Jones 33, cooper, born MDX, St George in the East
> > Elizabeth Jones 28, born MDX, Poplar
> > Richard Jones 7, born MDX, Limhouse
> > Eliza Jones 4, born MDX, Stepney
> > Clara Jones 2, born MDX, Limehouse
> >
> > --- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., "barbara s" <bubblybabs1@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have access to the 1861 census for Mile End,Stepney Middlesex
> >area.
> >
> > >Looking for details of Eliza Jones born 1857 Mile End and who her family
was.
> > >
> > > Greatly appreciated.
> > > Barbara
> > >
> >
>

Listers:

I have a marriage for Elizabeth BARNELL 28 Feb. 1802 in Christchurch,
Hampshire by licence to William Ginn.  Both bride and groom signed the
document.   One of the witnesses looks like an Isabella Fell.  The
Barnell surname does not come up in Christchurch records and I have not
been able to find any other information for this couple.  I believe
there could have been Ginn connections to London as there is another
marriage for a Ginn in St. Botolph Bishopsgate.  In searching the LDS
pilot project I see Elizabeth Barnell comes up in St. Botolph but not
the time frame I am looking for.  Does anyone out there have an
Elizabeth BARNELL born circa 1781 that might have married a William
GINN?

From the LDS pilot project:
Eliz. Barnell  Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 08 Mar 1730
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Botolph without Aldgate, London,
Father's Name: Peter Barnell
Mother's Name: Mary
Source Film Number: 370931

Elizabeth Barnell  Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 27 Jun 1708
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Botolph Aldgate, London
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Grace
Source Film Number: 370933

Any comments and suggestions would be appreciated.

Kind regards,
Helen Ginn

Does anyone have access to the details of the Hackney Workhouse during the
1890's, trying to find anything on Rosina Gilbert or Rosina Gilbert Doyle.

Hi Barbara

Recently I tried to trace my ggg grandfather's sister, Catherine WATSON born
Cripplegate 1832 in Workhouse records for this area because I noticed a very
likely entry in the 1881 census.

Firstly - have you found Rosina Gilbert/Rosina Gilbert Doyle in the 1881 or the
1891 census?

Next: These Workhouse records haven't been indexed yet. So it's a fairly
time-consuming process to (1) guess a year to start with (2) download each image
and search through for Rosina. The entries for each period
(fortnight/month/quarter) aren't in alphabetical order.

The workhouse records usually have an age for the individuals - so what year was
Rosina born? And where was she born? - do you know a parish - even a guess? or
an area? And where did she usually reside? - ie which parish/area? - this is
useful info because if Rosina was in and out of the workhouse (like my
Catherine) the record will often have the notation 'discharged to ....
(area/parish name)'.

Regards
Colleen

ps: The Catherine WATSON I found in the 'City of London Union Workhouse' is
99.9% mine. Sad little figure! She was a flower maker.


--- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., "barbara s" <bubblybabs1@...>
wrote:
>
> Does anyone have access to the details of the Hackney Workhouse during the
1890's, trying to find anything on Rosina Gilbert or Rosina Gilbert Doyle.
>

The DOYLE-GILBERT marriage in 1891 - is that yours?
ie

Marriage of Rosina Jenny DOYLE and Albert Henry James GILBERT 1891
From London parish records (online at ancestry.co.uk)
19 Aug 1891 at St Barnabas Church, Homerton, MDX
Albert Henry James GILBERT age 24, bachelor, labourer, of 58 Crozier Terrace,
father James GILBERT, packer
AND
Rosina Jenny DOYLE age 26, spinster, of 58 Crozier Terrace, father unknown
Married after banns
Both signed their names
Witnesses: Robert LAGDEN? and Ann GILBERT
Reg No 11 on Page 6.


--- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., barbara smith
<bubblybabs1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Colleen
> All I know, its my sisters partners tree, is that this Rosina Gilbert put
her 
> son in the Union school based in Brentwood in 1890 whilst I believe she was in
> Hackney workhouse the area I would assume she came from. Her son Albert Edward
> Doyle was born 1886.  He was discharged on 2/9/1893 to father on masters or
> mothers orders it stated then he was again placed back in the Hackney School
at
> Brentwood. . Mother Rosina Gilbert Doyle I assume remarried as when her son
> Alfred Edward Doyle was finally discharged in 1894 it stated to step father
at 
> 1 Shepherds Lane,Homerton. no name for him nothing else.
>
> If you come across anything like this appreciate it.  I did check the 1881
> census found a Rosina Doyle servant B1861 living in Hackney right area so does
> that mean  she was unmarried when she had her son. On the 1891 census have
> Rosina Doyle again in Hackney Institution born 1862 but can't see the
original
> of that one. Do you have access to it? The only one on the 1901 census was an
> Albert E Doyle in Edmonton B1886 cannot access that one either. I did check
the
> street Shepherds Lane in London on the 1901 census hoping to find the name of
> the family who lived there but couldn't access it. 
>
> Thanks for all your  help.
>
> Barbara  
> Barbara Lefevre-Smith,author
> check out Authorhouse.com,amazon.co.uk.tesco.com
> Beyond Reach on Hillbilly Heroin
> Deep Ruts the Wagons made
> Early Settlers of Banks Co(GA) including slaves
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Colleen <rangcf54@...>
> To: EastLondonFamilyHistory@...
> Sent: Tue, 16 November, 2010 2:52:02
> Subject: [EastLondonFamilyHistory] Re: Hackney Workhouse 1890's
>
>  
>
>
> Hi Barbara
>
> Recently I tried to trace my ggg grandfather's sister, Catherine WATSON born
> Cripplegate 1832 in Workhouse records for this area because I noticed a very
> likely entry in the 1881 census.
>
> Firstly - have you found Rosina Gilbert/Rosina Gilbert Doyle in the 1881 or
the
> 1891 census?
>
> Next: These Workhouse records haven't been indexed yet. So it's a fairly
> time-consuming process to (1) guess a year to start with (2) download each
image
> and search through for Rosina. The entries for each period
> (fortnight/month/quarter) aren't in alphabetical order.
>
> The workhouse records usually have an age for the individuals - so what year
was
> Rosina born? And where was she born? - do you know a parish - even a guess? or
> an area? And where did she usually reside? - ie which parish/area? - this is
> useful info because if Rosina was in and out of the workhouse (like my
> Catherine) the record will often have the notation 'discharged to ....
> (area/parish name)'.
>
> Regards
> Colleen
>
> ps: The Catherine WATSON I found in the 'City of London Union Workhouse' is
> 99.9% mine. Sad little figure! She was a flower maker.
>
> --- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., "barbara s" <bubblybabs1@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have access to the details of the Hackney Workhouse during the
> >1890's, trying to find anything on Rosina Gilbert or Rosina Gilbert Doyle.
> >
>

Barbara
I've put a few images in the Photos folder. You'll see a folder for DOYLE and
GILBERT. See what you can make of the information in the images.
Colleen


--- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., "Colleen" <rangcf54@...>
wrote:
>
> The DOYLE-GILBERT marriage in 1891 - is that yours?
> ie
>
> Marriage of Rosina Jenny DOYLE and Albert Henry James GILBERT 1891
> From London parish records (online at ancestry.co.uk)
> 19 Aug 1891 at St Barnabas Church, Homerton, MDX
> Albert Henry James GILBERT age 24, bachelor, labourer, of 58 Crozier Terrace,
father James GILBERT, packer
> AND
> Rosina Jenny DOYLE age 26, spinster, of 58 Crozier Terrace, father unknown
> Married after banns
> Both signed their names
> Witnesses: Robert LAGDEN? and Ann GILBERT
> Reg No 11 on Page 6.
>
>
> --- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., barbara smith <bubblybabs1@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi Colleen
> > All I know, its my sisters partners tree, is that this Rosina Gilbert put
her 
> > son in the Union school based in Brentwood in 1890 whilst I believe she was
in
> > Hackney workhouse the area I would assume she came from. Her son Albert
Edward
> > Doyle was born 1886.  He was discharged on 2/9/1893 to father on masters or
> > mothers orders it stated then he was again placed back in the Hackney School
at
> > Brentwood. . Mother Rosina Gilbert Doyle I assume remarried as when her son
> > Alfred Edward Doyle was finally discharged in 1894 it stated to step father
at 
> > 1 Shepherds Lane,Homerton. no name for him nothing else.
> >
> > If you come across anything like this appreciate it.  I did check the 1881
> > census found a Rosina Doyle servant B1861 living in Hackney right area so
does
> > that mean  she was unmarried when she had her son. On the 1891 census have
> > Rosina Doyle again in Hackney Institution born 1862 but can't see the
original
> > of that one. Do you have access to it? The only one on the 1901 census was
an
> > Albert E Doyle in Edmonton B1886 cannot access that one either. I did check
the
> > street Shepherds Lane in London on the 1901 census hoping to find the name
of
> > the family who lived there but couldn't access it. 
> >
> > Thanks for all your  help.
> >
> > Barbara  
> > Barbara Lefevre-Smith,author
> > check out Authorhouse.com,amazon.co.uk.tesco.com
> > Beyond Reach on Hillbilly Heroin
> > Deep Ruts the Wagons made
> > Early Settlers of Banks Co(GA) including slaves
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Colleen <rangcf54@>
> > To: EastLondonFamilyHistory@...
> > Sent: Tue, 16 November, 2010 2:52:02
> > Subject: [EastLondonFamilyHistory] Re: Hackney Workhouse 1890's
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> > Hi Barbara
> >
> > Recently I tried to trace my ggg grandfather's sister, Catherine WATSON born
> > Cripplegate 1832 in Workhouse records for this area because I noticed a very
> > likely entry in the 1881 census.
> >
> > Firstly - have you found Rosina Gilbert/Rosina Gilbert Doyle in the 1881 or
the
> > 1891 census?
> >
> > Next: These Workhouse records haven't been indexed yet. So it's a fairly
> > time-consuming process to (1) guess a year to start with (2) download each
image
> > and search through for Rosina. The entries for each period
> > (fortnight/month/quarter) aren't in alphabetical order.
> >
> > The workhouse records usually have an age for the individuals - so what year
was
> > Rosina born? And where was she born? - do you know a parish - even a guess?
or
> > an area? And where did she usually reside? - ie which parish/area? - this is
> > useful info because if Rosina was in and out of the workhouse (like my
> > Catherine) the record will often have the notation 'discharged to ....
> > (area/parish name)'.
> >
> > Regards
> > Colleen
> >
> > ps: The Catherine WATSON I found in the 'City of London Union Workhouse' is
> > 99.9% mine. Sad little figure! She was a flower maker.
> >
> > --- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., "barbara s" <bubblybabs1@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have access to the details of the Hackney Workhouse during the
> > >1890's, trying to find anything on Rosina Gilbert or Rosina Gilbert Doyle.
> > >
> >
>

Hi Barbara

I just clicked on one of the images in the folder - it enlarged a bit. Then I
right-clicked and did 'save image as' - I just saved it on the desktop. Then I
went to the desktop and double-clicked to open the image. I use the free
graphics program called 'IrfanView' as my graphics viewer/editor.

Admittedly the images aren't as clear as they are in the original database on
ancestry - but hopefully they will be clear enough for you to read the one to
three lines in each image about Rosina, Albert and Albert E.

If you can't make out the words on a particular image place a message on the
board here and I'll transcribe it for you - from these photos - I can't go back
and look for the originals again; it's just too time-consuming.

However - can't do anything for the next 6 days. Have to catch a plane in just
over an hour; will be away - talking to the 'living'!!

I spent nearly a full day trawling through those 270 images in this collection
looking for the DOYLE and GILBERT names, saving then uploading the images, so
hopefully you'll be able to use the information.

Summary: Rosina was born sometime between 1859 and 1862 - her ages differ in
various images; parents unknown - according to the marriage entry.

Rosina DOYLE and Albert GILBERT married in 1891.

Albert E DOYLE/GILBERT was born in May 1886.

Rosina and Albert (just like my Catherine WATSON) were in and out of the
workhouse over a number of years.

Regards
Colleen


--- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., barbara smith
<bubblybabs1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Colleen
> Wow you did good on the Doyle,Gilbert quest for me. Only 1 problem here is I
> can't read it too small for my poor eyesight. I did try downloading it then
> making it bigger but that didn't help either. I'm so sorry after all the work
> you have done. Can it be enlarged at all. It looked so interesting.
>  Have asked sister about the marriage of Rosina Doyle she really doesn't have
> much on this family as its been hard work trying to find them but at least
its
> more stuff to add and them eventually maybe she will get  it together. .
>
>
> So poor little  Catherine was a  flower maker  that sounds so sad. Did you
find
> out everything about her?.
>
>
> Barbara
> Barbara Lefevre-Smith,author
> check out Authorhouse.com,amazon.co.uk.tesco.com
> Beyond Reach on Hillbilly Heroin
> Deep Ruts the Wagons made
> Early Settlers of Banks Co(GA) including slaves
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Colleen <rangcf54@...>
> To: EastLondonFamilyHistory@...
> Sent: Wed, 17 November, 2010 5:17:37
> Subject: [EastLondonFamilyHistory] Re: Hackney Workhouse 1890's
>
>  
> Barbara
> I've put a few images in the Photos folder. You'll see a folder for DOYLE and
> GILBERT. See what you can make of the information in the images.
> Colleen
>
> --- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., "Colleen" <rangcf54@>
> wrote:
> >
> > The DOYLE-GILBERT marriage in 1891 - is that yours?
> > ie
> >
> > Marriage of Rosina Jenny DOYLE and Albert Henry James GILBERT 1891
> > From London parish records (online at ancestry.co.uk)
> > 19 Aug 1891 at St Barnabas Church, Homerton, MDX
> > Albert Henry James GILBERT age 24, bachelor, labourer, of 58 Crozier
Terrace,
> >father James GILBERT, packer
> >
> > AND
> > Rosina Jenny DOYLE age 26, spinster, of 58 Crozier Terrace, father unknown
> > Married after banns
> > Both signed their names
> > Witnesses: Robert LAGDEN? and Ann GILBERT
> > Reg No 11 on Page 6.
> >
> >
> > --- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., barbara smith
<bubblybabs1@>
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Colleen
> > > All I know, its my sisters partners tree, is that this Rosina
Gilbert put
> >her 
> >
> > > son in the Union school based in Brentwood in 1890 whilst I believe she
was
> >in
> >
> > > Hackney workhouse the area I would assume she came from. Her son Albert
> >Edward
> >
> > > Doyle was born 1886.  He was discharged on 2/9/1893 to father on
masters or
>
> > > mothers orders it stated then he was again placed back in the Hackney
School
> >at
> >
> > > Brentwood. . Mother Rosina Gilbert Doyle I assume remarried as when her
son
>
> > > Alfred Edward Doyle was finally discharged in 1894 it stated to step
father
> >at 
> >
> > > 1 Shepherds Lane,Homerton. no name for him nothing else.
> > >
> > > If you come across anything like this appreciate it.  I did check the
1881
> > > census found a Rosina Doyle servant B1861 living in Hackney right area so
> >does
> >
> > > that mean  she was unmarried when she had her son. On the 1891 census
have
> > > Rosina Doyle again in Hackney Institution born 1862 but can't see the
> >original
> >
> > > of that one. Do you have access to it? The only one on the 1901 census was
an
> >
> > > Albert E Doyle in Edmonton B1886 cannot access that one either. I did
check
> >the
> >
> > > street Shepherds Lane in London on the 1901 census hoping to find the name
of
> >
> > > the family who lived there but couldn't access it. 
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your  help.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Colleen <rangcf54@>
> > > To: EastLondonFamilyHistory@...
> > > Sent: Tue, 16 November, 2010 2:52:02
> > > Subject: [EastLondonFamilyHistory] Re: Hackney Workhouse 1890's
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Barbara
> > >
> > > Recently I tried to trace my ggg grandfather's sister, Catherine WATSON
born
>
> > > Cripplegate 1832 in Workhouse records for this area because I noticed a
very
>
> > > likely entry in the 1881 census.
> > >
> > > Firstly - have you found Rosina Gilbert/Rosina Gilbert Doyle in the 1881
or
> >the
> >
> > > 1891 census?
> > >
> > > Next: These Workhouse records haven't been indexed yet. So it's a fairly
> > > time-consuming process to (1) guess a year to start with (2) download each
> >image
> >
> > > and search through for Rosina. The entries for each period
> > > (fortnight/month/quarter) aren't in alphabetical order.
> > >
> > > The workhouse records usually have an age for the individuals - so what
year
> >was
> >
> > > Rosina born? And where was she born? - do you know a parish - even a
guess?
> >or
> >
> > > an area? And where did she usually reside? - ie which parish/area? - this
is
>
> > > useful info because if Rosina was in and out of the workhouse (like my
> > > Catherine) the record will often have the notation 'discharged to ....
> > > (area/parish name)'.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Colleen
> > >
> > > ps: The Catherine WATSON I found in the 'City of London Union Workhouse'
is
> > > 99.9% mine. Sad little figure! She was a flower maker.
> > >
> >
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hi all

any help appreciated with finding my grandfather Albert Edward Doyle.
have looked up records but can't match him up with his father whose name was
Albert Doyle an able seaman who died before 1912.

He was born in 1886 as i have his marriage certificate. MY father was an only
child his name was Albert Henry Doyle born in hackney.

Hi Ronny

Have a look at previous messages on this site. Have you been in contact with
Barbara? - see messages about DOYLE and GILBERT.
Was your Albert Edward DOYLE also known as Albert Edward GILBERT?
Was your AE Doyle born in May 1886?

If your AED and AEG are the same person (see messages to/from Barbara) then he
was born as Albert Edward DOYLE, son of Rosina DOYLE in May 1886 but then Rosina
DOYLE married Albert GILBERT and the child was then known as Albert Edward
GILBERT.

Before our members can help you further with lookups and suggestions - can you
confirm a few items (mentioned above) - and then can you give us the details of
everything that is written on the marriage certificate that you have - and any
other information you've found to date - and anything else that you know - even
if it's a guess.

Thanks
Colleen


--- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., "Ronny" <doyle_dean1@...>
wrote:
>
> hi all
>
> any help appreciated with finding my grandfather Albert Edward Doyle.
> have looked up records but can't match him up with his father whose name was
Albert Doyle an able seaman who died before 1912.
>
> He was born in 1886 as i have his marriage certificate. MY father was an only
child his name was Albert Henry Doyle born in hackney.
>

If you're feeling lucky you could try purchasing the Birth Certificate for
Albert Edward DOYLE born Jun Qtr 1886, Hackney, Vol 1b, Page 542. This reference
is from freeBMD indexes at http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

The Jun Qtr would tie in with a birth date of May 1886 with the Albert Edward
DOYLE mentioned in the Hackney Workhouse records with mother Rosina DOYLE.

Colleen


--- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., Ronny Dean <doyle_dean1@...>
wrote:
>
> thanks  colleen have seen what you sent my sister bhelput not sure it is the
> right one as he defiantly had on marriage cert his name as Albert Doyle not
> Gilbert but he could have dropped the gilbert and used his mother's surname
> Doyle. Thanks for all the help you gave to my sister about him really
appreciate
> it. Will carry on searching what i can from these records.
>

My name is Steve Tooze, and I am researching the TOOZE, TWOSE, TOOSE, TOWSE, and
other variants. The name/s is predominantly in the southern part of Somerset
(Wellington and Taunton), and Devon. Over the years I have gathered a quite a
collection. Always willing to share and swap information.

Hi all,

Don't forget to check the LINKS section of this group every now and then - use
the menu bar on the home page.

I've just added a link for 'BMDShare' - The site for genealogists to share their
UK birth, marriage, death Certificate information. FREE.

Direct URL is http://www.bmdshare.com/index.php

It's one of those sites that relies on people like ourselves to add information
from birth, marriage and death certificates.

So - take a few minutes to search the site and see if someone has already
purchased a certificate for one of your interests.

Note: To see the full details of the certificate you'll need to register to use
the site - but it's still free to register. There is a lot of information from
the certificates - including a contact email address if you want to contact the
submitter.

Let us know if you have success. And don't forget to pull out your own
certificates - and start adding the information to the database.

Colleen

i,m trying to find the mothers maiden name of william owers born 1885 and harry
owers born 1892 in hackney can anybody help please

Hi all,
I have just received a Death Certificate of my GGUncle. He died of a Suicide
drowning. It states there was an inquest. Can anyone tell me how I can find info
on this inquest. He died in Islington. Any Internet sites that could help I
would appreciate.
Thankyou
Verna in Australia

Hi all,

I'm new to this group and I'm searching for the birth of my paternal
g.grandmother, ADA KIBBLE. My grandfather's siblings were born either in
Shoreditch, or West Ham. Some of the families - I believe - still reside in that
area today but I do not know any of them personally.

I have a copy of ADA's marriage certificate to HENRY GREEN in 1868 in
Shoreditch, but I cannot find her birth anywhere.

The age on the marriage certificate tells me that she was born around 1847/8 -
and the earliest census record I have found is on the 1871 with Henry where she
says that she was born in Camberwell (on later census years it changes between
that and Shoreditch) - but I cannot find any birth records for an ADA KIBBLE of
that age anywhere in London, nor can I find her on any census records before
1871.

The certificate also states that her father WILLIAM KIBBLE was deceased. I
cannot find him on any census records at all... There are others but not with an
ADA; and, not having a birth certificate for her, I do not know the name of her
mother, which isn't helping.

Any help here would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Lin.

Hi all,

If you're an ancestry member you're probably already aware that there are a
number of records online relating to Poor Law Unions, Workhouses etc 1834-1940.
You can find these records here -
http://search.ancestry.com/iexec/Default.aspx?htx=List&dbid=1557&offerid=0:7858:\
0

However, the images haven't been indexed; ie you can browse through the images
and (hopefully) find what you want but you can't search by name, date,
union/parish etc.

Things are looking up.

WAP (World Ancestry Project) is currently indexing these images - 15,000 of
them. The project started a few days ago. I've been indexing Bethnal Green 1850s
and Hackney 1881-1882.

So - if you think your ancestor spent some time in a Workhouse or was given
parish relief at some stage you may find these records in the near future. It
takes a few months to index the records then the back-end processing/checking
takes an extra month or so.

But early in 2012 - I'm sure we'll have lots more records to enrich the stories
of our London/Middlesex-based ancestors.

Regards ... and happy hunting
Colleen

Hi Verna
You did not say when your gt uncle died but you can try www.Guardian.Co.uk this
newpaper lists inquests from time to time also www.cityoflondon.co.uk site

good luck
Barbara

--- In EastLondonFamilyHistory@..., "verna" <vmtreece@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I have just received a Death Certificate of my GGUncle. He died of a Suicide
drowning. It states there was an inquest. Can anyone tell me how I can find info
on this inquest. He died in Islington. Any Internet sites that could help I
would appreciate.
> Thankyou
> Verna in Australia
>