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If you have done a 750 or finished in the top half of a National (excl Juniors) you are a pundit

If you are not a pundit but  have done a 300 or competed in 2 Regionals  you are an intermediate

If you are not a pundit or an intermediate you are a novice

All definititions are as at Jan 1st of the year in question...so if you get your next 'tick in the box' mid season, it does not count until the following year.

Thoughts?

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Hi Russell,

I agree with the intention but as written it is:-

Novice: A pilot who has not done A OR not done B OR not done C

meaning a pilot not having done B will always be a Novice


I think it should be either

Novice: A pilot who has not done; A or B or C.

Novide: A pilot who has not done A and not done B and not done C.

Chris Davison also commented on logical operators in an earlier post, care to
comment Chris?

Julian

--- In East_Mids_ICL@..., "Julian Bane" <julianbane@...> wrote:
>
> That's my understanding of the situation along with Dunstable having
> a reserve date of July 11/12.
>
> Julian
>
> --- In East_Mids_ICL@..., "sarah" <sarah_j_a@> wrote:
> >
> > So am i right in believing
> >
> > The interclub dates are
> >
> > Hus Bos 2/3/4 May
> > Saltby 16/17 May
> > Cambridge 6/7 June
> > Wittering ????
> >
> > sarah
> >
> > --- In East_Mids_ICL@..., <colin.davey@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You wont believe it but......the RAF Motor Cycle Association are
> > using
> > > the runway as a racetrack that weekend.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > [mailto:East_Mids_ICL@...] On Behalf Of mark969davis
> > > Sent: 29 January 2009 17:01
> > > To: East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > Subject: [East_Mids_ICL] Re: 2009 dates
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok,
> > >
> > > Are we all agreed on the following:
> > >
> > > Hus Bos 2/3/4 May
> > > Saltby 16/17 May
> > > Cambridge 6/7 June
> > > Wittering 27/28 June
> > >
> > > Reserve -
> > > Dunstable 11/12 July
> > >
> > > Mark Davis.
> > >
> > > (who else could posibly want to use Wittering? The RAF dont fly
> at
> > > weekends - too expensive and anti-social!)
> > >
> > > --- In East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk> , <colin.davey@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just when you think its safe..........
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Due to other airfield users the weekend 20-21 June is now not
> > > available
> > > > for ICL, so I propose 27-28 June for Wittering - anyone any
> > issues
> > > with
> > > > this
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Colin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > [mailto:East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk> ] On Behalf Of
> > > > colin.davey@
> > > > Sent: 29 January 2009 12:17
> > > > To: East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > Subject: RE: [East_Mids_ICL] Re: 2009 dates
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So if everybody is agreed on 4 weekends etc, I would like to
> put
> > > forward
> > > > Wittering for the 20-21 June weekend. I think the offer from
> > > Dunstable
> > > > for a fallback weekend is a good one
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Colin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > [mailto:East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk> ] On Behalf Of
> > chris.luton
> > > > Sent: 29 January 2009 10:59
> > > > To: East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > Subject: [East_Mids_ICL] Re: 2009 dates
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear All
> > > >
> > > > Hus Bos are in support of the 4 weekends and we (as usual)
> would
> > > like
> > > > to offer to do the May Bank holiday weekend (2/3/4 May). Then
> > maybe
> > > > next year we can take a rest year.
> > > >
> > > > We would also like to ensure the new rule we agreed at the end
> of
> > > > last year is used for 2009, namely pundits can fly as
> > intermediates
> > > > with a 10% penalty. This should make it easier for all the
> clubs
> > to
> > > > provide pilots. From memory, the suggestion was we would review
> > > this
> > > > at the end of 2009 to see whether the 10% should be moved to
> > maybe
> > > > 15%, or reduced to 8%?
> > > >
> > > > Lets all hope for a better competition weather year for 2009!!
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > --- In East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk> , "mark969davis"
> > > > <mark969davis@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dunstable calling....
> > > > >
> > > > > I am happy to only have 4 weekends this year. However, I
> would
> > > like
> > > > > to ensure we have a reserve date in case we loose a couple of
> > > > > weekends to bad weather. As such Dunstable could do the
> > weekends
> > > of
> > > > > July 11/12 or 18/19 as a reserve.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards, Mark.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk> , <colin.davey@>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do we have conformation that Dunstable are not playing this
> > year
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Colin
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > > > [mailto:East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk> ] On Behalf Of
> Julian
> > > Bane
> > > > > > Sent: 28 January 2009 14:21
> > > > > > To: East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > > > Subject: [East_Mids_ICL] Re: 2009 dates
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Gransden round is looking like the 7/8 of June so the
> > later
> > > > > > weekend is probably better to avoid back to back rounds.
> That
> > > was
> > > > > the
> > > > > > one originaly planned for Dunstable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Julian
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk> , "colin.davey@"
> > > > > > <colin.davey@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If we could run one this year, the midle of June (13-14
> or
> > 20-
> > > > 21)
> > > > > > > would be good
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Colin D
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk> , "sarah"
> > > <sarah_j_a@>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I thought that the hosting clubs this year were suppose
> > to
> > > be
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Saltby
> > > > > > > > HB
> > > > > > > > Gransden
> > > > > > > > Wittering
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and that dunstable and cranwell were having rest years
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > is that correct
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sarah
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In East_Mids_ICL@...
> > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk>
> > > > > > <mailto:East_Mids_ICL%40yahoogroups.co.uk> , "colin.davey@"
> > > > > > > > <colin.davey@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As we have had a change in Capitain for this year
> (not
> > me
> > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > enough to do) I missed getting our two penny worth
> in.
> > As
> > > > > there
> > > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > > > to be a reduction in venues, would there be a slot
> > > avilable
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > Wittering round. We hope to be able to put a full
> team
> > in
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > year.
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > know its a bit late in the day but we would love to
> run
> > > one
> > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Colin Davey
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi Julian

They have to be OR's otherwise, as an example, a pilot who never enters Regional's will always remain a Novice even if he/she flies a 1000km as putting AND's in will require all requirements to be met before a pilot is required to move on a class.

I am sure it was the intention that a pilot moves on to another class if any one of the requirements are exceeded?

Russell

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From: East_Mids_ICL@yahoogroups.co.uk [mailto:East_Mids_ICL@yahoogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Bane
Sent: 08 May 2009 11:29
To: East_Mids_ICL@yahoogroups.co.uk
Subject: [East_Mids_ICL] Re: New Rules - Bringing All the Threads Together

Hi Russell,

I think the ORs should be ANDs in the clauses. As for the rest, it works for me.

Julian

--- In East_Mids_ICL@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Russell Cheetham" <russellcheetham@...> wrote:
>
> Wouldn't this be better in reverse to illustrate that pilots of lower
> experience may always move up a class as required or wished.
> This is how the original National Interclub wording was couched.
>
> Suggested below to incorporate all additional caveats that appear to be
> suggested and required:-
> --------------------
> Novice - a pilot who has not flown a UK 300km in UK as P1 in any year
> except the current and previous one OR has not entered more than 1
> Regional's OR has not flown a UK 500km as P1
>
> Intermediate - a pilot who has not flown a 750km in UK as P1 OR has not
> achieved a top 50% position in any Nationals last ten years
>
> Pundit - anyone can be a pundit
> -------------------
>
> I would like to see Junior Championship(Regional's) excluded from Novice
> definition as Juniors aspire to enter this free(BGA funded) event even
> before they have a Silver C
>
> Is the above any good??????
>
> Russell
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: East_Mids_ICL@yahoogroups.co.uk
> [mailto:East_Mids_ICL@yahoogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of Chris Davison
> Sent: 07 May 2009 17:24
> To: East_Mids_ICL@yahoogroups.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [East_Mids_ICL] New Rules - Bringing All the Threads
> Together
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So,
>
> if you have done a 750 or finished in the top half of a national you
> are a pundit
>
> if you have done a 300 or competed in 2 regionals you are an
> intermediate
>
> and if you have done neither you are a novice
>
> ????
>
> Chris
>
>
> Chris Davison
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> To
> East_Mids_ICL@yahoogroups.co.uk
> cc
> Subject
> [East_Mids_ICL] New Rules - Bringing All the Threads Together
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear All
>
> Thanks for spotting my deliberate mistake Chris - just checking everyone
> was reading the new rules carefully!
>
> During the conversation at HUS it was definitely a case of "OR" and the
> rule in relation to the move for a pilot from Novice to Intermediate was
> having competed in 2 or more Regionals. This was to stop someone who had
> only done one or two days of their first Regional and perhaps realised
> it was a bit beyond them, not to suddenly be classified as an
> Intermediate. I think with the 2 Regionals or more rule, we have no need
> for the extra year?
>
> Chris
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Hi Russell,

I think the ORs should be ANDs in the clauses. As for the rest, it works for me.

Julian


--- In East_Mids_ICL@..., "Russell Cheetham" <russellcheetham@...>
wrote:
>
> Wouldn't this be better in reverse to illustrate that pilots of lower
> experience may always move up a class as required or wished.
> This is how the original National Interclub wording was couched.
>
> Suggested below to incorporate all additional caveats that appear to be
> suggested and required:-
> --------------------
> Novice - a pilot who has not flown a UK 300km in UK as P1 in any year
> except the current and  previous one OR has not entered more than 1
> Regional's OR has not flown a UK 500km as P1
>
> Intermediate - a pilot who has not flown a 750km in UK as P1 OR has not
> achieved a top 50% position in any Nationals last ten years
>
> Pundit - anyone can be a pundit
> -------------------
>
> I would like to see Junior Championship(Regional's) excluded from Novice
> definition as Juniors aspire to enter this free(BGA funded) event even
> before they have a Silver C
>
> Is the above any good??????
>
> Russell
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: East_Mids_ICL@...
> [mailto:East_Mids_ICL@...] On Behalf Of Chris Davison
> Sent: 07 May 2009 17:24
> To: East_Mids_ICL@...
> Subject: Re: [East_Mids_ICL] New Rules - Bringing All the Threads
> Together
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So,
>
>  if you have done a 750 or finished in the top half of a national you
> are a pundit
>
> if you have done a 300 or competed in 2 regionals you are an
> intermediate
>
> and if you have done neither you are a novice
>
> ????
>
> Chris
>
>
> Chris Davison
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear All
>
> Thanks for spotting my deliberate mistake Chris - just checking everyone
> was reading the new rules carefully!
>
> During the conversation at HUS it was definitely a case of "OR" and the
> rule in relation to the move for a pilot from Novice to Intermediate was
> having competed in 2 or more Regionals. This was to stop someone who had
> only done one or two days of their first Regional and perhaps realised
> it was a bit beyond them, not to suddenly be classified as an
> Intermediate. I think with the 2 Regionals or more rule, we have no need
> for the extra year?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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Dear All

Thanks for spotting my deliberate mistake Chris - just checking everyone was
reading the new rules carefully!

During the conversation at HUS it was definitely a case of "OR" and the rule in
relation to the move for a pilot from Novice to Intermediate was having competed
in 2 or more Regionals. This was to stop someone who had only done one or two
days of their first Regional and perhaps realised it was a bit beyond them, not
to suddenly be classified as an Intermediate. I think with the 2 Regionals or
more rule, we have no need for the extra year?

Chris

Dear All

Having thrown in deliberate mistake in my last communication (well spotted
Chris!) I recall the discussion regarding a pilot's move from Novice to
Intermediate. The word "OR" is correct and we said that when a Novice had
competed in 2 or more Regionals they would be considered an Intermediate. I
think in this case we could dispense with the "additional year".

Chris

--- In East_Mids_ICL@..., "Russell Cheetham" <russellcheetham@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hi Everyone
> I am sure Miriam meant OR but I do feel that it was decided that more
> than 1 Regional's put you in Intermediate for following year and not
> more than 2 - also its not clear whether dispensation to allow Novice an
> extra year after qualifying to move up applies to Regional's - suggest
> NOT - if so then our novices could well be competing have done five
> Regional's?
> Chris has a very valid point regarding Novice 500km - suggest a 500km
> should put pilot straight into Intermediate for following season.
> We need to be careful to not go too far with this or nearly everyone
> will qualify as a novice :-)
> Cheers
> Russell
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: East_Mids_ICL@...
> [mailto:East_Mids_ICL@...] On Behalf Of Chris Davison
> Sent: 07 May 2009 07:56
> To: East_Mids_ICL@...
> Subject: Re: [East_Mids_ICL] New Rules - Bringing All the Threads
> Together
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi all, can we claifiy the logical operands here
>
> is it
>
> 1)        2. An Intermediate is anyone who has flown a UK 300km AND  has
> competed in more than 2 UK Regionals..
>
> If so then we are saying that a Novice can have done a 300 and a  few
> 500's , but as long as they have not flown 3 regionals they don't
> qualify as an intermediate?
>
> So I presume we are saying 'OR' - which makes sense as if you are on
> your 3rd regionals you areprobably going to have cracked a 300.
>
> I fully support the rule changes for pundit based on my performance last
> weekend!!
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> There appear to be several different conversations going on at the
> moment so in an attempt to bring them all together, please see below:
>
> 1. A Novice is anyone who has at least a Cross Country Endorsement, has
> not flown a UK 300km and can have competed in up to 2 UK Regional
> competitions.
>
> 2. An Intermediate is anyone who has flown a UK 300km, has competed in
> more than 2 UK Regionals.
>
> 3. A Pundit is anyone who has flown a UK 750km or has been placed in the
> top half of a UK Nationals in the last 10 years.
>
> 4. There is a period of grace between the move from Novice to
> Intermediate of one year. For example; if a novice flies a 300km this
> season (2009), they will not be expected to fly as an Intermediate until
> the 2011 season.
>
> 5. Anyone can move up a class without any penalties. If you feel that an
> Intermediate could compete against Pundits (or to soothe their
> feelings!), there is no penalty in doing this.
>
> Russell makes a good point that the orignal rules were designed a long
> time ago and these changes reflect the changes which have taken place in
> aircraft design, instrumentation.... etc.
>
> Hopefully this makes it clearer!
>
> Miriam
>
>
>
>
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Dear all,

There appear to be several different conversations going on at the moment so in
an attempt to bring them all together, please see below:

1. A Novice is anyone who has at least a Cross Country Endorsement, has not
flown a UK 300km and can have competed in up to 2 UK Regional competitions.

2. An Intermediate is anyone who has flown a UK 300km, has competed in more than
2 UK Regionals.

3. A Pundit is anyone who has flown a UK 750km or has been placed in the top
half of a UK Nationals in the last 10 years.

4. There is a period of grace between the move from Novice to Intermediate of
one year. For example; if a novice flies a 300km this season (2009), they will
not be expected to fly as an Intermediate until the 2011 season.

5. Anyone can move up a class without any penalties. If you feel that an
Intermediate could compete against Pundits (or to soothe their feelings!), there
is no penalty in doing this.

Russell makes a good point that the orignal rules were designed a long time ago
and these changes reflect the changes which have taken place in aircraft design,
instrumentation.... etc.

Hopefully this makes it clearer!

Miriam

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Colin

Regarding the new pundit rules.

There were a number of people sitting around the table at HUS and a number of
conversations, however I think everyone agreed that the present rule for a
pundit to fly intermediate with a 10% penalty just did not work. In a number of
clubs there is a preponderance of pundits who fly X-country every week and who
are literally waiting to get selected. Furthermore the distinction between a
seasoned pundit – one who flies a 500K before breakfast type - and an
intermediate who may have just completed his first 300K, is significant.
Therefore we needed a rule to distinguish the hardened pundit and good
intermediate.

It was therefore agreed that a pundit is someone who has not been in the top
half of a Nationals for the previous 10 years or completed a UK 750K. In fact I
have some pundits that are having to look back to 9 years ago and whether they
made the overall 50% mark or not!
It would be helpful if we could agree something early – as I need to select a
team for Saltby and travel to Spain for 2 weeks on the 14th May.

Chris

Hi Chris,

I have not had any problems.

Julian

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Colin

I keep sending messages and they keep bouncing back to this Group. Is there a
reason for this? Is anyone else having the same problem, as I am finding it
difficult to debate the rules when I can't send text.

Chris

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Does anyone else think that having come in the top half in a nationals or having
flown a 750 a bit OTT for the pundit on an interclub league. I thought this was
supposed to be a fun comp - not a nationals warm up!!

Dear all,

Following the implementation of the rules as decided at the end of the last season, there has been some revision so that the rules become (hopefully!) clearer and fairer.

The basic changes are as follows:

1. The rule allowing pundits to fly as an intermediate with a 10% penalty has been scrapped. This was found to not be a big enough penalty at the Hus Bos weekend with the Hus Bos "intermediates" beating the "true" intermediates by over 30kph in one case.

2. The boundaries for the classes have been changed.

Novice - anyone who has not flown a UK 300km
- is allowed to have flown 2 UK Regionals

Intermediate - anyone who has flown a UK 300km
- has competed in more than 2 UK Regionals

Pundit - anyone who has been placed in the top half of a Nationals in the last 10 years
- anyone who has flown a UK 750km

3. There is a period of grace for the 300km flights of 1 year. For example, if your novice was to fly a 300km this season, they would not move into the intermediate class until the start of the 2010 season.

I hope this makes sense. It obviously relies upon a measure of honesty from teams whcih, this being a fun competition, I am sure will happen! Let's see how it works at Saltby.

See you all in two weeks at Saltby (to sit in the rain as usual!)

Miriam

Dear all,

Following the implementation of the rules as decided at the end of the last
season, there has been some revision so that the rules become (hopefully!)
clearer and fairer.

The basic changes are as follows:

1. The rule allowing pundits to fly as an intermediate with a 10% penalty has
been scrapped. This was found to not be a big enough penalty at the Hus Bos
weekend with the Hus Bos "intermediates" beating the "true" intermediates by
over 30kph in one case.

2. The boundaries for the classes have been changed.

Novice - anyone who has not flown a UK 300km
        - is allowed to have flown 2 UK Regionals

Intermediate - anyone who has flown a UK 300km
              - has competed in more than 2 UK Regionals

Pundit - anyone who has been placed in the top half of a Nationals in the last
10 years
        - anyone who has flown a UK 750km

3. There is a period of grace for the 300km flights of 1 year. For example, if
your novice was to fly a 300km this season, they would not move into the
intermediate class until the start of the 2010 season.

I hope this makes sense. It obviously relies upon a measure of honesty from
teams whcih, this being a fun competition, I am sure will happen! Let's see how
it works at Saltby.

See you all in two weeks at Saltby (to sit in the rain as usual!)

Miriam

Miriam

Could you put the new rules we discussed yesterday on the web so we can all
agree to them being trialed at Saltby?

Thanks.

Chris