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RE: [Ethnoornithology] Update

Thanks LoraKim.  I’ll be doing more on birds and the ancient Maya over the next year.  Not a lot pulled together in a meaningful way yet, but lots scattered here and there. 

 

I’ll rejoin this yahoo group from my personal email account and we can continue these discussions after I wrap up my last day here in the office today!  J

 

Rob Fergus

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National Audubon Society

 

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From: Ethnoornithology@... [mailto:Ethnoornithology@...] On Behalf Of LoraKim Joyner
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:42 AM
To: Ethnoornithology@...
Subject: Re: [Ethnoornithology] Update

 




Dear Bob and others,

    I am sorry too to think of you leaving Audubon - I love the EO being talked about all over the place. 

    In the  meantime, I am so glad of your work in MesoAmerica - if you can remind us again (or me) on this list serve when your work comes out that would be great!

    I did a "pilot study" of EO while in Guatemala last month where I worked with conservationists, avitour operators, wildlife veterinarians, workers, biologists, etc about bird meaning.  It was very fascinating.  I don't know quite where this work would be written about or published, do you? 

     Also, another question. Do you know where, or if, there are accumulations of papers on ancient bird lore with the Mayans?  I was struck with the Stella de Pajaros in El Peru, El Peten - it is covered in birds (link below to my blog with picture of stella).  As I was working with the Scarlet Macaw, that was a particular symbol I fixated on. Do you know where I might find out more about this bird in Mayan culture through today's times?

    In gratitude,

    LoraKim Joyner


FERGUS, Rob wrote:

Well, here’s the latest from me.

 

Audubon is letting me go, tomorrow will be my last day here.  So I’ll have more time to work on my book on urban birds as well as my Mayan work.

 

I’m presenting a paper with Kerry Hull on Mopan and K’eqchi Mayan bird names and lore at a big social science conference in Hawaii next month, and the paper will be published in the proceedings.

 

We have a 52 page article on Eagles in Mesoamerican Cultures that is in the proofs stage.

 

We’re working on an article on the Birds and Birdlore of Santiago Atitlan, Guatemala.

 

I’ll send the details on each of these papers when they come out.

 

Rob Fergus

Soon-to-be-former-Senior Scientist, Urban Bird Conservation

National Audubon Society

 

birdchaser@hotmail.com

http://birdchaser.blogspot.com

http://www.facebook.com/people/Rob-Fergus/576507663

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