I'm still travelling all over the place in my Aboriginal bird knowledge project and managing to squeeze in a few posts to the Myth from time to time as I travel.
Right now I'm at Yirrkala on the north-eastern edge of Arnhem Land - a bit more work to do here today then I'm off to Gapuwiyak and further westwards through the heart of Arnhem land.
I should end up in Darwin in a few weeks - then home to Yuendumu a week or so after that...
Here are a few of the posts I've managed to squeeze in during my travels over the past few months...
- Song poetry about birds from the Pilbara - excerpts fromTaruru: Aboriginal Song Poetry From the Pilbara by C.G. Brandenstein and A.P. Thomas and published by Rigby in 1974;
Thats all for now my friends - I hope you like these and please feel free to leave a comment if you want - I love to hear what you think about my work!
THe truth could be somewhere in between. Perhaps it was not a specicies specific behaviour but an individual specific behaviour. At times I do come across individual creatures showing unusual behaviour (Though nothing as dramatic!). Or was it a coincidence?
If it was species-specific, has the species become extinct? Although extinction of such an intelligent creature is near impossible.
Vanya
INDIA
--- On Thu, 8/10/09, Mark Bonta <markabonta@...> wrote:
From: Mark Bonta <markabonta@...> Subject: Re: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise To: Ethnoornithology@... Date: Thursday, 8 October, 2009, 12:48 AM
The earlier discussion we had referred to the problems and issues with Western science not believing (in) Traditional Ecological Knowledge -- accounts of kites starting fires are found in Africa and in the Americas as well, and I found a reference to a belief, I think it was in New Guinea (would have to check my notes) that humans learned how to use fire from watching kites.
For ethno-ornithologist s, the rather paternalistic "it isn't true unless and until Western scientists confirm it" is a real can of worms, needless to say -- but in the case of an avian behavior pattern this highly significant, multiple independent confirmations would certainly help. This could be a great collaborative TEK research venture that would, if persuasive data were presented, not fail to have a major effect on the scholarship of those of us who study the pervasive influence of fire on
landscape.
mb
Dr. Mark Bonta Associate Professor of Geography Division of Social Sciences Kethley 226, PO Box 3264 Delta State University Cleveland, MS 38733 Tel. 662.846.4096 [w]; 843.6205 [h]; Fax: 662.846.4099 Alternate email: mbonta@deltastate. edu
From: Hollis Taylor <hollist@aol. com> To: Ethnoornithology@ yahoogroups. co.uk Sent: Wed, October 7, 2009 12:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise
if one reads the entire book, I, the Aboriginal, it is a very convincing read. This is from a man very much in touch with nature and able to hunt and live in an extreme environment.
Best, Hollis
Dr. Hollis Taylor
Sydney, Australia
On 08/10/2009, at 12:45 AM, Mark Bonta wrote:
Robert:
I believe I cited that article in the original thread. This is as close as Western science has gotten to confirming the truth of the firebird. In reality, human agency and lightning alone have done an incredible job transformation, much, even most, of the world's landscape, again and again. Steve Pyne's cycle of fire books is great reading in this respect.
mb
Dr. Mark Bonta Associate Professor of Geography Division of Social Sciences Kethley 226, PO Box 3264 Delta State University Cleveland, MS 38733 Tel. 662.846.4096 [w]; 843.6205 [h]; Fax: 662.846.4099 Alternate email:mbonta@deltastate. edu
From:john wambura <wamburaj@yahoo. com> To:Ethnoornithology@ yahoogroups. co.uk Sent:Wed, October 7, 2009 8:20:15 AM Subject:Re: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise
I have not heard of this yet in Africa, and elsewhere.It looks to me as fictious.Is this practice still existing in the wild today?.If really is the case, all wilderness would have been finished by birds burning in search of food!
Keep it up!
John Mugaboh Wambura Department of Wildlife Management Faculty of Forestry and Nature Conservation Sokoine University of Agriculture P.O. Box 3073 Chuo Kikuu, Morogoro, Tanzania Mobil:0784-316057; Tel/fax. +255 23 2601376 Alt.E-mail: mugaboh@suanet.ac.tz
--- OnWed, 10/7/09, Robert Gosford<bgosford@gmail. com>wrote:
From: Robert Gosford <bgosford@gmail. com> Subject: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise To: Ethnoornithology@ yahoogroups. co.uk Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:48 AM
Dear all,
I was just going through some papers in preparation for a rrip and I came across the following in the American Anthropologist 72: 610, (1970) by Ashley Montague of Princeton NJ>
"A Remarkable Case of Tool-Using in a Bird" To the growing list of tool-users among animals other than man should be added the Northern Territory kitehawk [Black Kite, Milvus migrans] or, as he is called among the Australian Aborigines, the firehawk. In the fascinating book about his life, "I, the Aboriginal" (Adelaide: Griffin, 1962), written down by Douglas Lockwood, Waipuldanya, an Aborigine of the Alawa tribe at Roper River says, "I have seen a hawk pick up a smouldering stick in its claws and drop it ina fresh patch of dry grass half a mile away, then wait with its mates for the mad exodus of scorched and frightened rodents and reptiles. Whe that area was burnt out the process was repeated
elsewhere. We call these fires Jarulan" (p. 93). Is this, possibly, the first recorded case of the use of fire by a onhuman animal?"
=
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> If anyone has books (or other resources) they think I should know about, I'd
> appreciate knowing - off list, if that is more appropriate. I am a science
> writer, doing a doctorate on the way the natural sciences are encoded on oral
> cultures. The content, but also the methodology by which oral cultures
> maintain so much knowledge without writing.
Oh dear - now that I read it again, that looks like I can't do my own
bibliography. I can! It's already huge.
I meant if anyone has any favourites, some resource they really adore and
think may be obscure so I won't pick it up on searches and using
bibliographies, then I would appreciate knowing. My focus is primary orality
and associated mnemonic devices, as well as the content.
Apologies for my poor wording.
Lynne
--
Lynne Kelly
author, educator: http://www.lynnekelly.com.au
EUMY Education: http://www.eumyeducation.com
Thank you so much for letting us know about this:
> Ethno-Ornithology
> Birds and Indigenous People, Culture and Society
> Edited By Sonia Tidemann and Andrew Gosler
>
> http://www.earthscan.co.uk/?TabId=101789&v=511417
I have ordered it. Looks fantastic. I am also finding the discussion on this
list absolutely fascinating - just wanted to say so!
If anyone has books (or other resources) they think I should know about, I'd
appreciate knowing - off list, if that is more appropriate. I am a science
writer, doing a doctorate on the way the natural sciences are encoded on oral
cultures. The content, but also the methodology by which oral cultures
maintain so much knowledge without writing.
Lynne
--
Lynne Kelly
author, educator: http://www.lynnekelly.com.au
EUMY Education: http://www.eumyeducation.com
The earlier discussion we had referred to the problems and issues with Western science not believing (in) Traditional Ecological Knowledge -- accounts of kites starting fires are found in Africa and in the Americas as well, and I found a reference to a belief, I think it was in New Guinea (would have to check my notes) that humans learned how to use fire from watching kites.
For ethno-ornithologists, the rather paternalistic "it isn't true unless and until Western scientists confirm it" is a real can of worms, needless to say -- but in the case of an avian behavior pattern this highly significant, multiple independent confirmations would certainly help. This could be a great collaborative TEK research venture that would, if persuasive data were presented, not fail to have a major effect on
the scholarship of those of us who study the pervasive influence of fire on landscape.
mb
Dr. Mark Bonta Associate Professor of Geography Division of Social Sciences Kethley 226, PO Box 3264 Delta State University Cleveland, MS 38733 Tel. 662.846.4096 [w]; 843.6205 [h]; Fax: 662.846.4099 Alternate email: mbonta@...
From: Hollis Taylor <hollist@...> To:
Ethnoornithology@... Sent: Wed, October 7, 2009 12:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise
if one reads the entire book, I, the Aboriginal, it is a very convincing read. This is from a man very much in touch with nature and able to hunt and live in an extreme environment.
Best, Hollis
Dr. Hollis Taylor
Sydney, Australia
On 08/10/2009, at 12:45 AM, Mark Bonta wrote:
Robert:
I believe I cited
that article in the original thread. This is as close as Western science has gotten to confirming the truth of the firebird. In reality, human agency and lightning alone have done an incredible job transformation, much, even most, of the world's landscape, again and again. Steve Pyne's cycle of fire books is great reading in this respect.
mb
Dr. Mark Bonta Associate Professor of Geography Division of Social Sciences Kethley 226, PO Box 3264 Delta State University Cleveland, MS 38733 Tel. 662.846.4096 [w]; 843.6205 [h]; Fax: 662.846.4099 Alternate email:mbonta@deltastate. edu
From:john wambura <wamburaj@yahoo. com> To:Ethnoornithology@ yahoogroups. co.uk Sent:Wed, October 7, 2009 8:20:15 AM Subject:Re: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise
I have not heard of this yet in Africa, and elsewhere.It looks to me as fictious.Is this practice still existing in the wild today?.If really is the case, all wilderness would have been finished by birds burning in search of food!
Keep it up!
John Mugaboh Wambura Department of Wildlife Management Faculty of Forestry and Nature Conservation Sokoine University of Agriculture P.O. Box 3073 Chuo Kikuu, Morogoro, Tanzania Mobil:0784-316057; Tel/fax.
+255 23 2601376 Alt.E-mail: mugaboh@suanet.ac.tz
--- OnWed, 10/7/09, Robert Gosford<bgosford@gmail. com>wrote:
From: Robert Gosford <bgosford@gmail. com> Subject: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise To: Ethnoornithology@ yahoogroups. co.uk Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:48 AM
Dear all,
I was just going through some papers in preparation for a rrip and I came across the following in the American Anthropologist 72: 610, (1970) by Ashley Montague of
Princeton NJ>
"A Remarkable Case of Tool-Using in a Bird" To the growing list of tool-users among animals other than man should be added the Northern Territory kitehawk [Black Kite, Milvus migrans] or, as he is called among the Australian Aborigines, the firehawk. In the fascinating book about his life, "I, the Aboriginal" (Adelaide: Griffin, 1962), written down by Douglas Lockwood, Waipuldanya, an Aborigine of the Alawa tribe at Roper River says, "I have seen a hawk pick up a smouldering stick in its claws and drop it ina fresh patch of dry grass half a mile away, then wait with its mates for the mad exodus of scorched and frightened rodents and reptiles. Whe that area was burnt out the process was repeated elsewhere. We call these fires Jarulan" (p. 93). Is this, possibly, the first recorded case of the use of fire by a onhuman
animal?"
From: Hollis Taylor <hollist@...> To: Ethnoornithology@... Sent: Wed, October 7, 2009 6:42:29 PM Subject: Re: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise
if one reads the entire book, I, the Aboriginal, it is a very convincing read. This is from a man very much in touch with nature and able to hunt and live in an extreme environment.
Best, Hollis
Dr. Hollis Taylor
Sydney, Australia
On 08/10/2009, at 12:45 AM, Mark Bonta wrote:
Robert:
I believe I cited that article in the original thread. This is as close as Western science has gotten to confirming the truth of the firebird. In reality, human agency and lightning alone have done an incredible job transformation, much, even most, of the world's landscape, again and again. Steve Pyne's cycle of fire books is great reading in this respect.
mb
Dr. Mark Bonta Associate Professor of Geography Division of Social Sciences Kethley 226, PO Box 3264 Delta State University Cleveland, MS 38733 Tel. 662.846.4096 [w]; 843.6205 [h]; Fax: 662.846.4099 Alternate email:mbonta@deltastate. edu
From:john wambura <wamburaj@yahoo. com> To:Ethnoornithology@ yahoogroups. co.uk Sent:Wed, October 7, 2009 8:20:15 AM Subject:Re: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise
I have not heard of this yet in Africa, and elsewhere.It looks to me as fictious.Is this practice still existing in the wild today?.If really is the case, all wilderness would have been finished by birds burning in search of food!
Keep it up!
John Mugaboh Wambura Department of Wildlife Management Faculty of Forestry and Nature Conservation Sokoine University of Agriculture P.O.. Box 3073 Chuo Kikuu, Morogoro, Tanzania Mobil:0784-316057; Tel/fax. +255 23 2601376 Alt.E-mail: mugaboh@suanet.ac.tz
--- OnWed, 10/7/09, Robert Gosford<bgosford@gmail.. com>wrote:
From: Robert Gosford <bgosford@gmail. com> Subject: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise To: Ethnoornithology@ yahoogroups. co.uk Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:48 AM
Dear all,
I was just going through some papers in preparation for a rrip and I came across the following in the American Anthropologist 72: 610, (1970) by Ashley Montague of Princeton NJ>
"A Remarkable Case of Tool-Using in a Bird" To the growing list of tool-users among animals other than man should be added the Northern Territory kitehawk [Black Kite, Milvus migrans] or, as he is called among the Australian Aborigines, the firehawk. In the fascinating book about his life, "I, the Aboriginal" (Adelaide: Griffin, 1962), written down by Douglas Lockwood, Waipuldanya, an Aborigine of the Alawa tribe at Roper River says, "I have seen a hawk pick up a smouldering stick in its claws and drop it ina fresh patch of dry grass half a mile away, then wait with its mates for the mad exodus of scorched and frightened rodents and reptiles. Whe that area was burnt out the process was repeated
elsewhere. We call these fires Jarulan" (p. 93). Is this, possibly, the first recorded case of the use of fire by a onhuman animal?"
if one reads the entire book, I, the Aboriginal, it is a very convincing read. This is from a man very much in touch with nature and able to hunt and live in an extreme environment.
Best, Hollis
Dr. Hollis Taylor
Sydney, Australia
On 08/10/2009, at 12:45 AM, Mark Bonta wrote:
Robert:
I believe I cited that article in the original thread. This is as close as Western science has gotten to confirming the truth of the firebird. In reality, human agency and lightning alone have done an incredible job transformation, much, even most, of the world's landscape, again and again. Steve Pyne's cycle of fire books is great reading in this respect.
mb
Dr. Mark Bonta Associate Professor of Geography Division of Social Sciences Kethley 226, PO Box 3264 Delta State University Cleveland, MS 38733 Tel. 662.846.4096 [w]; 843.6205 [h]; Fax: 662.846.4099 Alternate email:mbonta@deltastate.edu
From:john wambura <wamburaj@yahoo.com> To:Ethnoornithology@yahoogroups.co.uk Sent:Wed, October 7, 2009 8:20:15 AM Subject:Re: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise
I have not heard of this yet in Africa, and elsewhere.It looks to me as fictious.Is this practice still existing in the wild today?.If really is the case, all wilderness would have been finished by birds burning in search of food!
Keep it up!
John Mugaboh Wambura Department of Wildlife Management Faculty of Forestry and Nature Conservation Sokoine University of Agriculture P.O. Box 3073 Chuo Kikuu, Morogoro, Tanzania Mobil:0784-316057; Tel/fax. +255 23 2601376 Alt.E-mail: mugaboh@suanet.ac.tz
--- OnWed, 10/7/09, Robert Gosford<bgosford@gmail. com>wrote:
From: Robert Gosford <bgosford@gmail. com> Subject: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise To: Ethnoornithology@ yahoogroups. co.uk Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:48 AM
Dear all,
I was just going through some papers in preparation for a rrip and I came across the following in the American Anthropologist 72: 610, (1970) by Ashley Montague of Princeton NJ>
"A Remarkable Case of Tool-Using in a Bird" To the growing list of tool-users among animals other than man should be added the Northern Territory kitehawk [Black Kite, Milvus migrans] or, as he is called among the Australian Aborigines, the firehawk. In the fascinating book about his life, "I, the Aboriginal" (Adelaide: Griffin, 1962), written down by Douglas Lockwood, Waipuldanya, an Aborigine of the Alawa tribe at Roper River says, "I have seen a hawk pick up a smouldering stick in its claws and drop it ina fresh patch of dry grass half a mile away, then wait with its mates for the mad exodus of scorched and frightened rodents and reptiles. Whe that area was burnt out the process was repeated elsewhere. We call these fires Jarulan" (p. 93). Is this, possibly, the first recorded case of the use of fire by a onhuman animal?"
I believe I cited that article in the original thread. This is as close as Western science has gotten to confirming the truth of the firebird. In reality, human agency and lightning alone have done an incredible job transformation, much, even most, of the world's landscape, again and again. Steve Pyne's cycle of fire books is great reading in this respect.
mb
Dr. Mark Bonta Associate Professor of Geography Division of Social Sciences Kethley 226, PO Box 3264 Delta State University Cleveland, MS 38733 Tel. 662.846.4096 [w]; 843.6205 [h]; Fax: 662.846.4099 Alternate email: mbonta@...
From: john wambura <wamburaj@...> To: Ethnoornithology@... Sent: Wed, October 7, 2009 8:20:15 AM Subject: Re: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise
I have not heard of this yet in Africa, and elsewhere. It looks to me as fictious. Is this practice still existing in the wild today?. If really is the case, all wilderness would have been finished by birds burning in search of food!
Keep it up!
John Mugaboh Wambura Department of Wildlife Management Faculty of Forestry and Nature Conservation Sokoine University of Agriculture P.O. Box 3073 Chuo Kikuu, Morogoro, Tanzania Mobil:0784-316057; Tel/fax. +255 23 2601376 Alt.E-mail: mugaboh@suanet. ac.tz
--- On Wed, 10/7/09, Robert Gosford <bgosford@gmail. com> wrote:
From: Robert Gosford <bgosford@gmail. com> Subject: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise To: Ethnoornithology@ yahoogroups. co.uk Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:48 AM
Dear all,
I was just going through some papers in preparation for a rrip and I came across the following in the American Anthropologist 72: 610, (1970) by Ashley Montague of Princeton NJ>
"A Remarkable Case of Tool-Using in a Bird" To the growing list of tool-users among animals other than man should be added the Northern Territory kitehawk [Black Kite, Milvus migrans] or, as he is called among the Australian Aborigines, the firehawk. In the fascinating book about his life, "I, the Aboriginal" (Adelaide: Griffin, 1962), written down by Douglas Lockwood, Waipuldanya, an Aborigine of the Alawa tribe at Roper River says, "I have seen a hawk pick up a smouldering stick in its claws and drop it ina fresh patch of dry grass half a mile away, then wait with its mates for the mad exodus of scorched and frightened rodents and reptiles. Whe that area was burnt out the process was repeated elsewhere. We call these fires Jarulan" (p. 93).
Is this, possibly, the first recorded case of the use of fire by a onhuman animal?"
I have not heard of this yet in Africa, and elsewhere. It looks to me as fictious. Is this practice still existing in the wild today?. If really is the case, all wilderness would have been finished by birds burning in search of food!
Keep it up!
John Mugaboh Wambura Department of Wildlife Management Faculty of Forestry and Nature Conservation Sokoine University of Agriculture P.O. Box 3073 Chuo Kikuu, Morogoro, Tanzania Mobil:0784-316057; Tel/fax. +255 23 2601376 Alt.E-mail: mugaboh@...
--- On Wed, 10/7/09, Robert Gosford <bgosford@...> wrote:
From: Robert Gosford <bgosford@...> Subject: [Ethnoornithology] Birds and Fire - reprise To: Ethnoornithology@... Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:48 AM
Dear all,
I was just going through some papers in preparation for a rrip and I came across the following in the American Anthropologist 72: 610, (1970) by Ashley Montague of Princeton NJ>
"A Remarkable Case of Tool-Using in a Bird" To the growing list of tool-users among animals other than man should be added the Northern Territory kitehawk [Black Kite, Milvus migrans] or, as he is called among the Australian Aborigines, the firehawk. In the fascinating book about his life, "I, the Aboriginal" (Adelaide: Griffin, 1962), written down by Douglas Lockwood, Waipuldanya, an Aborigine of the Alawa tribe at Roper River says, "I have seen a hawk pick up a smouldering stick in its claws and drop it ina fresh patch of dry grass half a mile away, then wait with its mates for the mad exodus of scorched and frightened rodents and reptiles. Whe that area was burnt out the process was repeated elsewhere. We call these fires Jarulan" (p. 93).
Is this, possibly, the first recorded case of the use of fire by a onhuman animal?"
Dear all,
I was just going through some papers in preparation for a rrip and I came across
the following in the American Anthropologist 72: 610, (1970) by Ashley Montague
of Princeton NJ>
"A Remarkable Case of Tool-Using in a Bird" To the growing list of tool-users
among animals other than man should be added the Northern Territory kitehawk
[Black Kite, Milvus migrans] or, as he is called among the Australian
Aborigines, the firehawk. In the fascinating book about his life, "I, the
Aboriginal" (Adelaide: Griffin, 1962), written down by Douglas Lockwood,
Waipuldanya, an Aborigine of the Alawa tribe at Roper River says, "I have seen a
hawk pick up a smouldering stick in its claws and drop it ina fresh patch of dry
grass half a mile away, then wait with its mates for the mad exodus of scorched
and frightened rodents and reptiles. Whe that area was burnt out the process was
repeated elsewhere. We call these fires Jarulan" (p. 93).
Is this, possibly, the first recorded case of the use of fire by a onhuman
animal?"
I will be giving a paper and also publish the work. Unfortunately or fortunately, there is no article written about the ethnoornithology part of the above topic i have seen so far though, i am still searching. I will get back to you soon and i am happy to share the ideas.
From: Lynne Kelly <lynne@...> To: Ethnoornithology@... Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:48:34 AM Subject: Re: [Ethnoornithology] The Danza de los Voladores de Papantla (Dance of Papantla's flyers)
> Will you be giving a paper or publishing on this?
I am also very interested in any further information on this. Can you
recommend what you consider to be any good articles in English? And is there
any way I can read your ideas? It is directly relevant to my doctoral topic.
It is also fascinating! Thank you so much for mentioning it.
Lynne
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Hope <mercyc07@yahoo. ca>
> To: Ethnoornithology@ yahoogroups. co.uk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:06:11 PM
> Subject: [Ethnoornithology] The Danza de los Voladores de Papantla (Dance of
> Papantla's flyers)
>
>
> The Totonac Indians and Olmeca Indians of Veracruz, Mexico;over a millennium
> performed the dance of Papantla's flyers. Articles have been written about
> them explaining the meaning of the dance. I recently, in late August 2009, i
> interviewed a number of people, with different age categories,in Veracruz,
> Mexico. The dance mimics the great migration of Raptors [Birds of Prey]the
> Aguililla Cudresmera [ the Swainson's Hawk migrating during Easter]. The dance
> was performed in Spring migration of the Raptors. When the rains are expected
> to shower and also as a sign of sowing season......
>
> Feel free to contribute more and also watch this space for more info.
>
> Gracias
>
> Mercy N. muiruri in Veracruz, Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
--- In Ethnoornithology@..., "Lynne Kelly" <lynne@...> wrote:
>
>
> > Will you be giving a paper or publishing on this?
>
> I am also very interested in any further information on this. Can you
> recommend what you consider to be any good articles in English? And is there
> any way I can read your ideas? It is directly relevant to my doctoral topic.
>
> It is also fascinating! Thank you so much for mentioning it.
>
> Lynne
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Hope <mercyc07@...>
> > To: Ethnoornithology@...
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:06:11 PM
> > Subject: [Ethnoornithology] The Danza de los Voladores de Papantla (Dance of
> > Papantla's flyers)
> >
> >
> > The Totonac Indians and Olmeca Indians of Veracruz, Mexico;over a millennium
> > performed the dance of Papantla's flyers. Articles have been written about
> > them explaining the meaning of the dance. I recently, in late August 2009, i
> > interviewed a number of people, with different age categories,in Veracruz,
> > Mexico. The dance mimics the great migration of Raptors [Birds of Prey]the
> > Aguililla Cudresmera [ the Swainson's Hawk migrating during Easter]. The
dance
> > was performed in Spring migration of the Raptors. When the rains are
expected
> > to shower and also as a sign of sowing season......
> >
> > Feel free to contribute more and also watch this space for more info.
> >
> > Gracias
> >
> > Mercy N. muiruri in Veracruz, Mexico
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Lynne Kelly
>
> author, educator: http://www.lynnekelly.com.au
>
> EUMY Education: http://www.eumyeducation.com
>
> Will you be giving a paper or publishing on this?
I am also very interested in any further information on this. Can you
recommend what you consider to be any good articles in English? And is there
any way I can read your ideas? It is directly relevant to my doctoral topic.
It is also fascinating! Thank you so much for mentioning it.
Lynne
> ________________________________
> From: Hope <mercyc07@...>
> To: Ethnoornithology@...
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:06:11 PM
> Subject: [Ethnoornithology] The Danza de los Voladores de Papantla (Dance of
> Papantla's flyers)
>
>
> The Totonac Indians and Olmeca Indians of Veracruz, Mexico;over a millennium
> performed the dance of Papantla's flyers. Articles have been written about
> them explaining the meaning of the dance. I recently, in late August 2009, i
> interviewed a number of people, with different age categories,in Veracruz,
> Mexico. The dance mimics the great migration of Raptors [Birds of Prey]the
> Aguililla Cudresmera [ the Swainson's Hawk migrating during Easter]. The dance
> was performed in Spring migration of the Raptors. When the rains are expected
> to shower and also as a sign of sowing season......
>
> Feel free to contribute more and also watch this space for more info.
>
> Gracias
>
> Mercy N. muiruri in Veracruz, Mexico
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Lynne Kelly
author, educator: http://www.lynnekelly.com.au
EUMY Education: http://www.eumyeducation.com
Si desean consultar mas información del origen del Volador de Papantla, les recomiendo que lean el capitulo "LOS ORÍGENES DE LOS RITOS DEL VOLADOR Y DEL COMELAGATOAZTE", el cual viene en el libro "UN VIAJE A LA HUASTECA" del autor Guy Stresser-Péan.
ATTE
Biol. Jorge Valencia-Herverth
--- El mar 22-sep-09, Hope <mercyc07@...> escribió:
De:: Hope <mercyc07@...> Asunto: [Ethnoornithology] Re: The Danza de los Voladores de Papantla (Dance of Papantla's flyers) A: Ethnoornithology@... Fecha: martes 22 de septiembre de 2009, 15:42
--- In Ethnoornithology@ yahoogroups. co.uk, Mark Bonta <markabonta@ ...> wrote: > > Will you be giving a paper or publishing on this? > > Dr. Mark Bonta > Associate Professor of Geography > Division of Social Sciences > Kethley 226, PO Box 3264 > Delta State University > Cleveland, MS 38733 > Tel. 662.846.4096 [w]; 843.6205 [h]; Fax: 662.846.4099 > Alternate email: mbonta@... > > Definitely, Mark, as soon as i am done with gathering info. > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Hope <mercyc07@.. .> > To: Ethnoornithology@ yahoogroups. co.uk > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:06:11 PM > Subject: [Ethnoornithology] The Danza de los Voladores de Papantla (Dance of Papantla's flyers) > > > The Totonac Indians and Olmeca Indians of Veracruz, Mexico;over a millennium performed the dance of Papantla's flyers. Articles have been written about them explaining the meaning of the dance. I recently, in late August 2009, i interviewed a number of people, with different age categories,in Veracruz, Mexico. The dance mimics the great migration of Raptors [Birds of Prey]the Aguililla Cudresmera [ the Swainson's Hawk migrating during Easter]. The dance was performed in Spring migration of the Raptors. When the rains are expected to shower and also as a sign of sowing season...... > > Feel free to contribute more and also watch this space for more info. >
> Gracias > > Mercy N. muiruri in Veracruz, Mexico >
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--- In Ethnoornithology@..., Mark Bonta <markabonta@...> wrote:
>
> Will you be giving a paper or publishing on this?
>
> Dr. Mark Bonta
> Associate Professor of Geography
> Division of Social Sciences
> Kethley 226, PO Box 3264
> Delta State University
> Cleveland, MS 38733
> Tel. 662.846.4096 [w]; 843.6205 [h]; Fax: 662.846.4099
> Alternate email: mbonta@...
>
> Definitely, Mark, as soon as i am done with gathering info.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Hope <mercyc07@...>
> To: Ethnoornithology@...
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:06:11 PM
> Subject: [Ethnoornithology] The Danza de los Voladores de Papantla (Dance of
Papantla's flyers)
>
>
> The Totonac Indians and Olmeca Indians of Veracruz, Mexico;over a millennium
performed the dance of Papantla's flyers. Articles have been written about them
explaining the meaning of the dance. I recently, in late August 2009, i
interviewed a number of people, with different age categories,in Veracruz,
Mexico. The dance mimics the great migration of Raptors [Birds of Prey]the
Aguililla Cudresmera [ the Swainson's Hawk migrating during Easter]. The dance
was performed in Spring migration of the Raptors. When the rains are expected to
shower and also as a sign of sowing season......
>
> Feel free to contribute more and also watch this space for more info.
>
> Gracias
>
> Mercy N. muiruri in Veracruz, Mexico
>
--- In Ethnoornithology@..., Mark Bonta <markabonta@...> wrote:
>
> Will you be giving a paper or publishing on this?
>
> Dr. Mark Bonta
> Associate Professor of Geography
> Division of Social Sciences
> Kethley 226, PO Box 3264
> Delta State University
> Cleveland, MS 38733
> Tel. 662.846.4096 [w]; 843.6205 [h]; Fax: 662.846.4099
> Alternate email: mbonta@...
May be if i will be able to gather more indigenous knowledge...my major
challenge is language barrier, i have to learn Espanol.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Hope <mercyc07@...>
> To: Ethnoornithology@...
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:06:11 PM
> Subject: [Ethnoornithology] The Danza de los Voladores de Papantla (Dance of
Papantla's flyers)
>
>
> The Totonac Indians and Olmeca Indians of Veracruz, Mexico;over a millennium
performed the dance of Papantla's flyers. Articles have been written about them
explaining the meaning of the dance. I recently, in late August 2009, i
interviewed a number of people, with different age categories,in Veracruz,
Mexico. The dance mimics the great migration of Raptors [Birds of Prey]the
Aguililla Cudresmera [ the Swainson's Hawk migrating during Easter]. The dance
was performed in Spring migration of the Raptors. When the rains are expected to
shower and also as a sign of sowing season......
>
> Feel free to contribute more and also watch this space for more info.
>
> Gracias
>
> Mercy N. muiruri in Veracruz, Mexico
>
Dr. Mark Bonta Associate Professor of Geography Division of Social Sciences Kethley 226, PO Box 3264 Delta State University Cleveland, MS 38733 Tel. 662.846.4096 [w]; 843.6205 [h]; Fax: 662.846.4099 Alternate email: mbonta@...
From:
Hope <mercyc07@...> To: Ethnoornithology@... Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:06:11 PM Subject: [Ethnoornithology] The Danza de los Voladores de Papantla (Dance of Papantla's flyers)
The Totonac Indians and Olmeca Indians of Veracruz, Mexico;over a millennium performed the dance of Papantla's flyers. Articles have been written about them explaining the meaning of the dance. I recently, in late August 2009, i interviewed a number of people, with different age categories,in Veracruz, Mexico. The dance mimics the great migration of Raptors [Birds of Prey]the Aguililla Cudresmera [ the Swainson's Hawk migrating during Easter]. The dance was performed in Spring migration of the Raptors. When the rains are expected to shower and also as a sign of sowing season......
Feel free to contribute more and also watch this space for more info.
The Totonac Indians and Olmeca Indians of Veracruz, Mexico;over a millennium
performed the dance of Papantla's flyers. Articles have been written about them
explaining the meaning of the dance. I recently, in late August 2009, i
interviewed a number of people, with different age categories,in Veracruz,
Mexico. The dance mimics the great migration of Raptors [Birds of Prey]the
Aguililla Cudresmera [ the Swainson's Hawk migrating during Easter]. The dance
was performed in Spring migration of the Raptors. When the rains are expected to
shower and also as a sign of sowing season......
Feel free to contribute more and also watch this space for more info.
Gracias
Mercy N. muiruri in Veracruz, Mexico
This new member Philippe Gombaniro is also interested in Ethnoornithology matters He is also congolese from D R Congo . Please I recommend
Robert Byamana Kizungu
--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Robert Gosford <bgosford@...> wrote:
From: Robert Gosford <bgosford@...> Subject: [Ethnoornithology] CFP - First International Society of Ethnobiology Asian conference - Taiwan To: Ethnoornithology@... Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 7:08 PM
The ISE's First Asian Conference on Ethnobiology: 21-28 October 2010
The final conference schedule has been set and includes a pre-conference trip to Shei-pa National Park and surrounding Tayal villages (October 21-23), the conference at Providence University (October 24-25), and a post-conference trip to Jade Mountain National Park and Kalibuan village of the Bunun (October 26-28).
Please note that the final day of the conference is now set as the 28th, not the 29th as originally posted, due to concerns of fatigue affecting the quality of the whole experience. Details about the conference, as well as the conference schedule, all of which should also soon be available on the conference website (www.ise-asia. org).
Current status: Over twenty international scholars and students have already indicated interest in the conference and have committed to coming. Many are already beginning to submit abstracts, and others making
travel arrangements. We are excited by the large amount of interest in the conference, and hope many more will submit papers, posters, and roundtables to help make this conference as strong as possible.
Conference deadlines: International applications: Sunday, August 16, 2009 (See instructions below)
Registration: Wednesday, September 30, 2009. All registrants, whether presenting or just attending, must submit this form to registerfor the Conference.
Paper submissions: We will be discussing the topic of "The Position of Indigenous Peoples, Sacred Places and Participatory Methodology in Cultural and Biological Diversity Conservation" .
The topic for graduate students is slightly different, with a broader focus in order to encourage more graduate students of different backgrounds to attend.
The subtopics of the conference, as well as the graduate student topics and subtopics, are attached above (FACE_topics. doc).
All abstracts are due by August 16th, and completed papers are due by September 30th. Please follow these deadlines closely, as the submission of an abstract will allow us to schedule you into a panel, and papers need to be compiled into the conference handbook. Late submissions of abstracts will not be accepted, and late submissions of papers may leave your paper out of the conference handbook.
Download the form for submitting your abstract here.
Pre/post-conference trips: Registration is required for the pre/post-conference trips, as we will need to have exact counts of people in order to organize transportation, living, and food. The planning of these trips is a little more complex, as we will be going deep into the mountains, so it is vital that you register for the trips by August 16th. We will not allow registration for trips after this date. Trip details are outlined in the
schedule.
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I'm sitting here in the "Balgo Hilton" waiting for someone to come back from where I've just been.
We most likely passed each other on the road sometime yesterday as I
struggled up the 530 kilometres of the torture that is known as the
Tanami Track from Yuendumu up here to Wirrimanu – formerly known as
Balgo.
When I got here and asked after him they told me he'd gone to Yuendumu earlier that day and was expected back here tonight.
So I'll try to catch up with him early tomorrow.
Meanwhile I'm going through my notes on
Aboriginal bird knowledge from around here and the other regions of the
north west of western Australia that I'll be travelling through over
the next few weeks.
As I was sorting I came across some excerpts that I'd found in Taruru: Aboriginal Song Poetry From the Pilbara by C.G. Brandenstein and A.P. Thomas and published by Rigby of Adelaide in 1974.
At 92 pages Taruru is a modest work but it is packed with
song poems in a number of languages of the Pilbara – which appears, and
have a look at the map above, to be one of the most linguistically
diverse parts of the country.
To find out more about the language and cultures in this fascinating and far-flung corner of the country the website of the Wangka Maya Pilbara Aboriginal Language Centre is a great place to start.
Here are some of the bird song poems from Taruru:
BIRD'S CALL
Tjalurra in Jindiparndi, by Robert Churnside
Ku?urru murlawarnjgaa juurumarna karnalilila
ku?urru murlawarnjgaa juurumarna tarritogula
The Kurrugu bird-call finds his melody in the morning
Kurrugu bird-call finds his melody in the treehole.
THE CROWS
Tabi in Karierra, by Tjarndai
njalataianna pannina kudii nagunjuru
pilanmannaba takanna.
palakuru pala kardi?iriba pannigu
tinatingala juurra-manjulaba mirrunjgu
palakuru pala waarnarraba warnjga "kaa"
warnda murrumurru tanbatirriiba wurdanjga
They lurk and sit till they see a bone
What they can get, they grab
They hang around, eyeing something off.
Hopping about in the sun,
Conversing: "Kaa, kaa, kaa."
Then its up to the back of a branch
One after another – what a crowd.
EMU SHOT
Tabi in Ngarluma, by Tjinapirrgarri
maguranagu tundunjarranpiru
maguranagu njali kangaragu
warnjgatinara karruluu padanna
warnjgatinara poolkarrinagu
ilinpinnuru karruluu padanna
ilinpinnuru poolkarrinagu
wibururuba marnjgula jirrgagu
karlinjkarlinjbala
At the bobbing head he aims,
At the bobbing head, at the upper neck.
The shots whistle, hitting the river stones.
The shots whistle, as it lies there riddled.
Feathers leap, hitting the river stones.
Feathers leap, as it lies there riddled.
The emu chicks run to and fro
Coming back again and again.
THE BULBUL BIRD
Tabi in Ngarluma, by Waljbira
Bulbul pannii nurdu,
Bulbul pannii nurdu
murii tinamanma, jabulkurruu karadilipanjuru
Bulbul pannii nurdu,
Bulbul pannii nurdu
murii tinamanma, jabalkurruu karadilipaia
jinda nuru pannii Pabamudunjgana
njaiin wirlimanma, kururdkakanma njuu
jinda nuru pannii Pabamudunjgana
njaiin wirlimanma, kururdaga.
Bulbul is here
Follow the stony creek, your track to northern shores!
Bulbul is here
This pool is "water throughout the year"
Stir my heart and also give it a rest
(rest is missing)
PELICAN AND HERON
Pundut in Jindiparndi
(traditional)
kandanjarrima pilarra!
tamanjgajini padarmarrijanju-peerl! peerl! peerl!
hou!
Leave your old leg-spear alone!
Let's hurl fire-sticks at each other!
Kill! Kill! Kill!
THE PEEWIT AND THE WHITE COCKATOO CHICK
Pundut in Jindjiparndi
(traditional)
njaiimbaa karparna mungamunganina
wiluurumarna kardanpadimarna
pirdiranalu tida wadinjani
hou!
I then took it away and improved on it:
White and the neck striped,
Better than the white cockatoo's chick
Which turned out rather badly.
I don't have the right keyboard settings to enter some of the
linguistic notations (there are several couplings of "n" & "j"
(I've forgotten the technical term!) above that are usually represented
by an "n" with the downstroke of the "j" incorporated into it. There
are also several graves, acutes and umlauts that I've not been able to enter.
I've come across a fair bit of poetry and song-texts in the course
of my research and I'll post a few more of them as I work my way though
my notes and research.
The poems from Taruru provide me with some interesting perspectives on how people imagine and record their knowledge of birds.
I struggle to understand the meaning of Pundut's The Peewit and the White Cockatoo Chick, but a little research may provide some clarity.
Both The Crows and Emu Shot are beautiful and
fine-grained descriptions of two common birds – one often seen as an
intelligent and engaging pest, the other an important element in local
economic and religious life.
And I'm looking for more in other material that von Brandenstein
recorded in the north-west.
If you know of any other Aboriginal poetry
about birds please don't hesitate to pass it on.
Or if you know of any similar song-poetry - or local-language writing on birds - please feel free to contribute it - maybe there is a conference paper or book in this?!
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Ethnoornithology group:
Please comment on a proposal that the ERSG move to a more interactive site. I am
interested in what members think about moving to a site, say for example Ning
(see: http://about.ning.com/) or some other site that will be more flexible and
allow greater integration of photos, files etc than this, rather tired and
clunky if I say so myself, Yahoo page. I'll leave this poll open for 1 month -
that is until 8 October.
o Yes - make a NING site
o Yes - make a site at another social network
o No - leave the ERSG where it is
To vote, please visit the following web page:
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Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.
Thanks!
The Ritual Importance of Birds in 14th-Century Central New Mexico.
Just a short note that doesn't do this paper justice but more to advise of its publication - from the latest (Vol 29(1), Spring/Summer 2009) volume of the Journal of Ethnobiology comes a fascinating paper by Suzanne L. Eckert of Texas A & M University & Tiffany Clark of the Center for Desert Archaeology, Tucson that "...evaluate[s] the changing importance of avifauna in the ritual systems that were adopted in the 14th century in the Lower Rio Peurco area of New Mexico."
In the Discussion& Conclusion Eckert & Clark note "Detailed decorative and faunal data from the Lower Rio Peurco area show that the adoption of a new iconographic system in which birds played a prominent role was accompanied by an increased procurement and use of avifauna." ... How were these birds used in the prehispanic Pueblo world? ... While we cannot know the specifics of bird use at Pottery Mound and Humminbird Pueblo with certainty, it appears tha avifauna played a meaningful role in the prehispanic Pueblo world beginning in the 14th century, a role that appears to have continued into the modern era."
From the Associated Press earlier today at: http://www.localnews8.com/Global/story.asp?S=11083807&nav=menu554_2_3
Shock and caw: Pesky starlings still overwhelm
By MIKE STARK
(AP)
SALT LAKE CITY — The next time the sky darkens with a flock of noisy
unwelcome starlings, blame Shakespeare — or, better yet, a few of his
strangest fans.
Had the Bard not mentioned the starling in the
third scene of "Henry IV," arguably the most hated bird in North
America might never have arrived. In the early 1890s, about 100
European starlings were released in New York City's Central Park by a
group dedicated to bringing to America every bird ever mentioned by
Shakespeare.
Today, it's more like Hitchcock.
Some 200
million shiny black European starlings crowd North America, from the
cool climes of Alaska to the balmy reaches of Mexico's Baja peninsula.
The enormous flocks endanger air travel, mob cattle operations, chase
off native songbirds, roost on city blocks, leaving behind corrosive,
foul-smelling droppings and hundreds of millions of dollars of damage
each year.
And getting rid of them is near impossible.
Last
year U.S. government agents poisoned, shot and trapped 1.7 million
starlings, more than any other nuisance species, according to new
figures, only to see them roaring back again.
"It's sort of like
bailing the ocean with a thimble," said Richard Dolbeer, a retired
Wildlife Services researcher in Sandusky, Ohio who spent years trying
to figure out ways to keep starlings — which he calls "flying bullets"
— and other birds from causing problems at airports. Federal aviation
officials say they have caused $4 million in damage since 1990.
After
the starlings' introduction, they quickly expanded west, taking
advantage of vast tracts of forested land opening up to agriculture and
human development, Dolbeer said. By the 1950s, starlings had reached
California and nearly all parts in-between. Today, it's one of the most
common birds in the U.S.
Their prodigious presence is no mystery.
Starlings breed like crazy, eat almost anything, are highly mobile and
operate in overwhelming numbers. They're also expert at nesting in
protected nooks and making an intimidating statement as they swirl in
vast clouds called "murmurations."
"They're great survivors and
quite the biological machine," said Greg Butcher, director of bird
conservation at the National Audubon Society.
They're also
responsible for the most deadly bird strikes in aviation: a 1960
civilian crash in Boston that killed 62 and a 1996 military cargo plane
crash that killed 34 in the Netherlands. Since then, there have been
close calls, including a Boeing 747 that ran into a flock in Rome last
fall. No one was killed but the badly damaged plane had a rough landing.
Those
kinds of scenarios are why wildlife biologist Mike Smith has been
tweaking a series of traps used at Salt Lake City International
Airport, where there have been 19 reported starling strikes since 1990.
The traps use dog food to attract a starling or two. Hundreds more soon
follow, driven by their innate desire to flock with each other. He once
caught 800 in a single day.
The most popular lethal tactic is a
poison called DRC-1339, which is often sprinkled on french fries, a
favorite starlings snack. Within a day or two, starlings keel over from
organ failure.
No other state poisoned more starlings last year
than Washington. Starlings there caused $9 million in damages to
agricultural operations over five years. Nationwide, starlings cause
$800 million in damage to agricultural operations each year, according
to a Cornell University estimate.
At one feed lot, some 200,000
starlings gathered each day, lining fence tops, wires, water troughs
and even perching on top of cows. They've learned to steal the most
nutritious morsels from the cattle troughs and pose an ever-present
threat of moving disease from one ranch to another, said Roger
Woodruff, director of Wildlife Services in Washington.
Nearly 650,000 starlings were poisoned last year in the state, an all-time record, he said.
When killing's not an option, agents often turn to harassment campaigns.
In
downtown Indianapolis, flocks as large as 40,000 show up around dusk in
the winter to hang out, find food and keep warm. They quickly wear out
their welcome with their noise and their mess. Crews are deployed
nearly every night to scare them off with lasers, pyrotechnic
explosions and noise devices with names like "screamers" and "bangers."
Like
other urban areas, they've had some success shooing them out of
downtown and onto undeveloped land, said Judy Loven, director of
Wildlife Services in Indiana, but it's likely going to be an ongoing
battle.
"They're pretty much wise to our ways and pass that
information along," said Jeff Homan, a wildlife researcher in Bismarck,
N.D., who's part of a team focusing on starlings and blackbirds.
It's
unlikely those who engineered the starlings' release in Central Park —
including its leader, New York drug manufacturer named Eugene
Schieffelin — could have fully imagined the consequences of their
experiment, said author Kim Todd, who wrote about the introduction in
her 2001 book "Tinkering With Eden: A Natural History of Exotic Species
in America."
"It's sad but true that we often only see a
creature's beauty when it is out-of-reach or rare," Todd said in an
e-mail. "I can't imagine that Schieffelin, who appreciated starlings on
the page and in small groups, would have the same affection for them in
their enormous, pesky flocks."
I'm still busy travelling for my Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander bird knowledge book project and this will keep me moving around the country through to the end of the year.
I haven't been quite so regular with my posts but I've still managed to work up a few while I've been on the road or during my brief stopovers at home here at Yuendumu.
There has been a lot of action in the NT Government with various attempts by the Labor party here in the NT trying to eat itself alive - it almost managed it but was saved at the last minute by the Independent member for Nelson, Gerry Wood.
Lots of fun watching the flea circus that revolved before and after those events and I have a funny feeling that the shenanigans haven't finished yet.
I'm off later this week for a trip through the east and west Kimberley and then down the coast to the Pilbara to talk to Aboriginal groups and people for my bird project so I hope to have lots of stories to relate to you either from on the road or when I get back - after which I'll be off to the Top End of the NT - but that will be a whole heap of other stories indeed.
Here is some of what has been greasing my wheels over the winter - bring on spring!
- Caravanners - plague locusts of the northern winter
- I must have had a bit of sh*t on my liver when I wrote this - though at certain times of year the number of caravans and RVs on the road up here is astounding.
Dear all,
please see forwarded message from Dr Henrik Moller, University of Otago, NZ
Cheers,
Bob Gosford
ERSG moderator
Dear Colleagues ,
Ngā mihi mahana ki a koutou kātoa (warm greetings to you all).
I write to invite a contribution from you to a Forum on "Cross-cultural
approaches to environmental research and management" to be published in the New
Zealand Journal of Zoology in December 2009.
The New Zealand Journal of Zoology has just published a series of paper from the
Kia Mau Te Tīti Mo Ake Tōnu Atu ("Keep the tītī forever")
research project. Eleven contributions cover some issues of the sooty
shearwater population ecology and `muttonbird harvesting', but more generally
the collection of papers considers issues of partnership between mātauranga
Māori (Traditional Ecological Knowledge of Māori) and science, as well
as cross-cultural research and Participatory Action Research approaches to
environmental management. The Forum to be published in the following issue of
the journal will include scholarly contributions that either formally critique
to the issues raised in the September special issue (`Mātauranga
Māori, science & seabirds"), extend the ideas or concepts discussed there,
or raise new themes that were missed by our September special edition.
Dr Carolyn (Kim) King, Editor of the New Zealand Journal of Zoology, will
moderate the contributions, but they will not be formally peer reviewed. All
views are welcome and debate will be encouraged. The plan is to combine all
contributions received by 15 October 2009 into a Forum that will then be
published in the December issue of the journal.
The following guidelines will apply:
· The tone of all contributions must be scholarship-based
· All contributions must be succinct and to the point (though there will
be no set word limit a target of around 3,000 words would be ideal)
· This target suggests that items focused on a clearly subscribed
smaller issue might work best
· For preference your contribution link to special Matauranga
Māori, Science & Seabirds special edition. However we wish to encourage a
broad debate and will interpret "cultural" in a broad context (you may wish to
contribute your ideas about institutional as well as ethnic "cultures", or to
discuss variant "world views" and how they can dialogue with "mainstream"
approaches to science and environmental management
· Similarly items focussing on challenges and opportunities for
Participatory Action Research or community-led environmental management
· New Zealand and Māori perspectives are welcomed, but the Forum
would be greatly enriched by contributions from research and management
approaches from other countries so that international experiences are combined
· Above all, please be
o courteous
o focussed on the ideas, not the people putting alternative views to your own
o relevant
o challenging
o thought provoking.
We need to stick to the 15 October deadline, so get your contribution to Dr King
by then. Prior notice that an item is coming (please Email to her a suggested
title and authorship ASAP ie. to cmking@...) would help Dr King and
the rest of the Royal Society journal production team to plan for what is coming
in. The items will be edited and then moderated if necessary; and then posted
online at www.royalsociety.org.nz/site/publish/journals/nzjz/ as they are
accepted. Also you can also view extracts in "Journal Watch" on
http://www.royalsociety.org.nz/Site/publish/Default.aspx. Therefore you can
follow what your colleagues have written as the collection comes together, and
debate or extend the points made by your colleagues in your own contribution.
The more the contributions cross reference to each other the better. If space
and time remains, authors will get an opportunity to reply.
Please consult the guidelines for authors for journal style and conventions at:
www.royalsociety.org.nz/site/publish/authors/instruct_auth.aspx
The Forum section of the journal is on Open Access and the journal as a whole is
referenced on the international abstracting services, so there is every prospect
that your contributions and our debate will be accessed and used by the
international network of scholars working on issues of ethno-biology,
ethno-ecology, Traditional Knowledge and science, Participatory Action Research,
Social-ecological Resilience, Adaptive Co-management, Citizen's science etc. The
unifying theme is that all these approaches will be discussed in relation to
environmental world views, management and research.
Feel free to contact Carolyn (Kim) King at cmking@... if you have any
queries.
We look forward to you contributions, ideas and debate by 15 October 2009.
Yours sincerely
Henrik Moller
CSAFE, University of Otago.
From the forthcoming special issue of the New Zealand Journal of Zoology
Papers in NZ J Zool special issue: Mātauranga Māori, science &
Seabirds ********
Papers in Special edition of NZ J Zoology – September 2009.
Foreword
1. Moller H 2009. Matauranga Maori, science and seabirds. New Zealand Journal of
Zoology 36: 203-210.
Partnerships between Mātauranga and Science
2. Moller, H.; Lyver, P.O'B.; Bragg, C.; Newman, J.; Clucas, R.; Fletcher,
D.; Kitson, J.; McKechnie, S.; Scott, D. Rakiura Tītī Islands
Administering Body 2009. Guidelines for cross-cultural Participatory Action
Research partnerships: a case study of a customary seabird harvest in New
Zealand. New Zealand Journal of Zoology 36: 211-241.
3. Moller H, Kitson JC, Downs T 2009. Knowing by doing: learning and change
by traditional Māori seabird harvesters. New Zealand Journal of Zoology
36: 243-258.
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As a response to your question on the kind of problems we face in
our local bird group. People dont show up for fielf trips and i sense the motivation is no longer there. perhaps, we are not getting something right. I seek to look for ways to lift the motivation, so we can acheive the objectives of our bird club.
Thank you
NB: I sent you a mail earlier on my project on
enthno-ornithology!
'Bunmi JEGEDE
From: Fleur Ng'weno <fleur@...> To: Ethnoornithology@... Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:29:41 PM Subject: Re: [Ethnoornithology] How do i motivate amateur bird watchers
Hi Bunmi Jegede
Here at Nature Kenya (the East Africa Natural History Society) the weekly birdwalks in Nairobi that I started nearly 40 years ago are very popular.
What kinds of problems do you have at your local bird club?
Best wishes, Fleur Ng’weno
On 8/20/09 3:21 PM, "Jegede Oluwabunmi" <jegedeoluwabunmi@ yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Please I have problems motivating members of our local bird club. Any idea on how i can motivate these people?
Secondly, i need some information about birds and their cultural, economic, social and environmental importance. your assistance would suffice.
thanks
'Bunmi JEGEDE
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Dear Jegede,
Where to start is always a problem in ethnoornithology!
Some thoughts from me - others may have more to add.
I'd begin with the language - does this story/fable/myth/legend come from a
specific language group or is it a more general belief?
If it comes from one language group I'd go to (1) a dictionary of that language
to see if there is any further information - perhaps the name is onomatopoeic
(comes from the sounds the birds makes), (2) then you might look at background
linguistic material - see if there is a formal description - a grammar - of the
language - or if there is other information about that language - texts or
stories etc.
Then you might go to the mythological/legendary literature to see if there are
versions of this story available there.
Then to the 'mainstream' ornithological literature - check on the breeding
biology, favoured habitats, movements, social organisation and distribution of
the species. It is sometimes also useful to cast a wide net here - for west
Africa a lot of material may have been published elsewhere - you might have to
look at European, South/Pan African journals etc. Look also in local field
guides etc.
You will also (of course) seek out speakers of that language and/or vernacular
literature - this is where you'll find the best material of all.
Good luck with your work and research - don't forget that there are a lot of us
out here struggling with the same questions as you - which is why it is
enormously valuable that we get together and help each other where we can -
either at forums like this or at the occasional conference that we link up at
from time to time...you might want to come to the ICE 12 conference -
http://www.tbgf.org/ice/
We are putting together a session on ethnoornithology - and it doesn't matter
that you are just staring your work - it is just as important to hear about your
problems, questions and concerns during your research than at the end of it!
Cheers for now and best wishes,
Bob Gosford
ERSG Moderator
--- In Ethnoornithology@..., Jegede Oluwabunmi
<jegedeoluwabunmi@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I am working on an ethno-ornithology project and i'm looking at the cultural,
religious, economic and social
> benefits of birds to humans.
>
>
> That is the values (either cultural, religious etc) some species of bird have.
> e.g. White Stork - Cultural Value - Bringer of rain in Northern Nigeria
>
> Many thanks
>
>
> 'Bunmi JEGEDE
> African Regional Hub Management Intern,
> RSPB/NCF Worldbird Project | Nigerian Conservation Foundation,
> Lekki Conservation Centre | Km 19, Lekki-Epe Expressway, Lekki
> P. O. Box 74638, Victoria Island | Lagos, Nigeria
> Telephone: Mobile: 0806 022 8890, Office: +234-1-8923717; Home: +234-1-7386453
>
Hi Jegede,
Just to follow up with what's Bob written, here are a few practical thing to do
(see below), some of which may be more practical than others (i.e. determined by
the available resources). If you have any questions please let me know.
Cheers,
Tim Dolby
. Organise a regional Birdline. This encourages people to be proactive,
reporting rare and unusual sighting. It can be part of a newsletter, or on a
website. There are a few online birdline web sites that could support this.
. Organise education session in field i.e. birding for beginners, or advance
birding techniques.
. Keep regular survey dates - create local survey work with local monitoring.
Emphasis that this part of a national survye program.
. Target particular species as part of survey and activity work. In Victoria
(Australia) these are species such as Orange-bellied Parrot, Swift Parrot,
Regent Honeyeater and Grey-crowned Babbler, and waders. Activities vary, from
survey work, to replanting vegetation. It is often worth linking into marquee
species, such as a large dynamic birds, or birds of prey.
. Create an activity list - and try and find someone to co-ordinate this. They
need not actually organise activities themselves, simply promote existing ones
and co-ordinate the list.
. Organise social night/days with guest speakers. Remember it doesn't matter how
many people turn up - this varies greatly, and usually without much logic. At
the speaker night you can mention activities such as survey.
. Organise a newsletter, with articles from birders. Target people that you are
keen to encourage to participate in your birding activities. It needs to be
regular, but need not be too big. If monthly it could be a newsletter, which a
few A4 sheets, if quarterly it can be a bit bigger. (What ever suits your
budget.) In the newsletter you encourage activities.
. If you Internet access it is important to set up a web page - with an
activities section. The web sites acts as an easy way to talk about activities -
you can simple point people to the websites when anybody asks about activities.
. Have a logo using a marquee bird species - one that's important to your
conservation program.
. It is also good to set up an email distribution list. Have a regular email
messages, acting like a short newsletter.
. One recent development in the ability to text people via there mobile
(assuming people have them) - set up a text message list, texting people a
reminder message about upcoming events and survey. Don't over text.
. Organise an Annual bird race or 'birdathon' (in Australia we call this a
Twitchathon). Apealling to people's competitive side, these can also be very
valuable indicators of the state of birds in your areas (essentially a 'day in
the life' type survey), and you can also use the event to raise money for
conservation through sponsorship.See:
http://www.birdsaustralia.com.au/the-organisation/vic-twitchathon.html
and
http://tim-dolby.blogspot.com/search/label/Victorian%20Twitchathon%3A%20Racing%2\
0for%20Ornithological%20Conservation
. Link in as much as you can with other conservation, natural history, research
and science groups. Ask them to promote you activities and surveys through there
publicity. In these case organise joint activities i.e. national parks often
have good social networks and activities. Organise bird survey as part of their
activities.
Finally it's important to get a few people involved in the process and formalise
it in someway (i.e. link into a formal birding organisation, such as Birdline
International etc). Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Tim Dolby
-----Original Message-----
From: Ethnoornithology@... on behalf of robert_gosford
Sent: Mon 24/08/2009 09:42
To: Ethnoornithology@...
Subject: [Ethnoornithology] Re: Motivating bird watchers - reply to Jegede
Dear Jegede,
Thanks for your interest in birds and culture - there is a great interest
throughout the African continent in this emerging and increasingly important
area of bird study.
At last year's Pan African Ornithological Congress the following papers relevant
to ethnoornithology were presented in 2 sessions:
Cultural and economic value of flamingos
Oliver Nasirwa
c/o BirdLife Africa Partnership Secretariat, P.O. Box 3502, 00100, Nairobi,
Kenya. oliver.nasirwa@...
Opportunities, prospects and developments in African ethno-ornithology - an
outsider's perspective
Robert Gosford
Centre for Resource and Environmental Studies, Australian National University,
Australia. robertgosford@...
The knowledge-base of, and attitudes to, some large birds among herdsmen in the
Lesotho Maloti Mountains
Steven Piper
School of Biological and Conservation Sciences, University of KwaZulu-Natal,
Private Bag X01, Scottsville 3209, KwaZulu-
Natal, South Africa. vulture@...
Hornbills for heroes: Compromising biodiversity for traditional knowledge?
Yilma Dellelegn Abebe
NatureConcern Research and Promotion Agency, P.O. Box 18112, Addis Ababa,
Ethiopia. ornithopia@...
The inspiration of birds in the proverbs and sayings of the Agikuyu people of
Kenya
Wanyoike Wamiti1 and Francis Muigai
Department of Zoology (Ornithology Section), National Museums of Kenya, P.O. Box
40658-00100, Nairobi, Kenya.
wamsnarina@... 2Friends of Kinangop Plateau, Njabini Sub-branch, P.O. Box
174 - 20319, South Kinangop,
Kenya
Bird behaviour as depicted in Lepcha folklores
Vanya Jha
Sikkim Manipal Institute of Technology, Majitar, Rangpo, Sikkim 737 132, India.
vanyanegia@...
Pitfalls in ethno-ornithological research
Fleur Ng'weno
Nature Kenya, the East Africa Natural History Society, P.O. Box 44486, Nairobi
00100, Kenya. fleur@...
Ethno-ornithology: a key to the cultural and socio-economic development and bird
conservation of
the Natta people of the Serengeti
John M. Wambura1, Omary A. Chambegga2 and Mokiti T.C. Tarimo1
1
Department of Wildlife Management, Faculty of Forestry and Nature Conservation,
Sokoine University of Agriculture,
P.O. Box 3073, Morogoro. wamburaj@... or mugaboh@... 2College
of African Wildlife Management,
Mweka, P.O. Box 3031, Moshi
Is indigenous conservation a science? - an examination of the bird naming system
in Luhyia of the
Western Province, Kenya
George Amutete
Kenya Airports Authority, Box 19087 00501 Nairobi, Kenya. gamutete@...
Kori Bustard conservation in central and western Botswana: how serious is the
threat of
poaching?
Kabelo J. Senyatso1,2
1
BirdLife Botswana, Private Bag 003, Suite 348, Mogoditshane. Botswana. 2School
of Environmental Sciences, University
of East Anglia, Norwich, NR4 7TJ, United Kingdom. k.senyatso@...
Indigenous knowledge of birds as indicators of changes in seasonal and global
weather patterns
Mercy N. Muiruri and Patrick Maundu
Ornithology Dept, National Museums of Kenya, P.O. Box 40658, 00100, Nairobi,
Kenya. mercyc07@...
We also held a very interesting round table:
Round-table discussion: Ethno-ornithology in Africa
Robert Gosford
Centre for Resource and Environmental Studies, Australian National University,
Australia. bgosford@...
You can read the full abstracts here: http://paoc12.adu.org.za/
And in 2012 the PAOC will be held in your country - at the A P Leventis
Institute - (APLORI) at the University of Jos, Nigeria - there is not much info
on the site yet but keep and eye on: http://www.aplori.org/default.htm
Cheers and I hop this helps - we all look forward to catching up in 2012 - but I
may be able to get to APLORI in 2010.
Best,
Bob Gosford
ERSH moderator
--- In Ethnoornithology@..., Jegede Oluwabunmi
<jegedeoluwabunmi@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> Please I have problems motivating members of our local bird club. Any idea on
how i can motivate these people?
> Secondly, i need some information about birds and their cultural, economic,
social and environmental importance. your assistance would suffice.
>
> thanks
>
>
> 'Bunmi JEGEDE
>
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