Hello,
To cut a long story short, you will probably find it worthwhile purchasing
the Marine Species Directory a or giving a strong hint for a Christmas
present.
http://www.mcsuk.org/acatalog/Marine_Conservation__British_Marine_Life_13.html
My hard disc has crashed with all the files and I still searching for the
CD-ROM.
Cheers
Andy Horton.
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From: "ifsmith" <ifsmith@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:10 PM
To: <Glaucus@...>
Subject: [Glaucus] Handbook Marine Fauna NW Europe
> Could I ask any member who has a copy of Hayward & Ryland " Handbook of
> the Marine Fauna of North-West Europe" to let me know how many species of
> Nemertean (Ribbon worms) it describes? As I got no response to my request
> below, I want to equip myself to have a go at identifying them. The
> Linnean Synopses(£27) has 80 species, but if Hayward & Ryland(£44) has the
> majority of littoral spp. of nemertean it might be better to get it as it
> has other groups as well(though as no one identified my striped worm in
> the message below, it seems likely it is not included).
>
> I'd be interested to hear what others who have used Hayward & Ryland think
> of it.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ifsmith
> To: Glaucus
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:54 PM
> Subject: [Glaucus] Nemertini, (Ribbon worms)
>
>
> Can anyone identify the striped possible Nemertine worm in my album Ian
> S? links:
> http://tinyurl.com/yfp2ylj
> http://tinyurl.com/ykzt5ud
> http://tinyurl.com/yktjyom
> It has 4 eyes, the 2 on the right are clearest in the image of it
> extended. In fact I think they are internal light sensors visible through
> the translucent body or at the base of deep pits.
> The greyish white foot can be partly seen at the posterior of the twisted
> image.
> Behind the head are two white collars, thin and distinct on the
> contracted image, wider and vaguer on the extended one.
> I don't know if 6mm is the adult size or if it is a juvenile. And I don't
> know if it will be possible to identify it from a picture as I understand
> that some species are polymorphic.
>
> For interest I have also uploaded some pictures of a small (0.5 metre)
> specimen of Lineus longissimus from Menai and 10 metre specimen from
> Orkney. Links:
> http://tinyurl.com/yjp82dg
> http://tinyurl.com/yf3oxds
> http://tinyurl.com/yfv78vn
> http://tinyurl.com/ycn4h6l In the picture of two people holding a worm
> up, there are 5 metres accounted for by the three drops to the ground and
> the pieces running across from hand to hand. There was as much worm again
> on the ground. The coiled worm would have filled a very large soup bowl.
> 10 metres accords with the specimen "over 30 feet" illustrated full size
> in the Ray Society "Monograph of the Worms" by Prof.McIntosh.
> Richard Elmhurst, superintendant of Millport Marine Biol Station in the
> early 20th Century, mentioned specimens over 20 yards (about 20
> metres).There is a claim on the web at:
> http://yzuke.blogspot.com/2008/09/longest-things-in-world.html
> for a specimen of 180 feet (55 m), making it the World's longest animal.
> But I take it with a pinch of salt. Even if true, I guess tape worms of
> Blue Whales would be longer. Precise measurement is impossible as it
> stretches like elastic, but I think it can make claim to be the longest
> British animal, if Britain is defined as land above ELWS.
>
> The other "fisherman's tale" is of it harpooning and swallowing a fish,
> related by Charles Kingsley in his book "Glaucus". I have uploaded the
> extract at:
> http://tinyurl.com/y8j93nl
> Has anyone else ever witnessed this event?
>
> Best wishes
> Ian S
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Thanks Sheila
I've ordered H&R
Cheers
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: shdbone@...
To: Glaucus@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Glaucus] Handbook Marine Fauna NW Europe
Hi there - approx 75 individual species descriptions, and several line
drawings and keys. I only did a very quick count so it might have the
full set! Sheila
On 25/11/2009 15:10, ifsmith wrote:
>
> Could I ask any member who has a copy of Hayward & Ryland " Handbook
> of the Marine Fauna of North-West Europe" to let me know how many
> species of Nemertean (Ribbon worms) it describes? As I got no response
> to my request below, I want to equip myself to have a go at
> identifying them. The Linnean Synopses(£27) has 80 species, but if
> Hayward & Ryland(£44) has the majority of littoral spp. of nemertean
> it might be better to get it as it has other groups as well(though as
> no one identified my striped worm in the message below, it seems
> likely it is not included).
>
> I'd be interested to hear what others who have used Hayward & Ryland
> think of it.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ifsmith
> To: Glaucus
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:54 PM
> Subject: [Glaucus] Nemertini, (Ribbon worms)
>
> Can anyone identify the striped possible Nemertine worm in my album
> Ian S? links:
> http://tinyurl.com/yfp2ylj <http://tinyurl.com/yfp2ylj>
> http://tinyurl.com/ykzt5ud <http://tinyurl.com/ykzt5ud>
> http://tinyurl.com/yktjyom <http://tinyurl.com/yktjyom>
> It has 4 eyes, the 2 on the right are clearest in the image of it
> extended. In fact I think they are internal light sensors visible
> through the translucent body or at the base of deep pits.
> The greyish white foot can be partly seen at the posterior of the
> twisted image.
> Behind the head are two white collars, thin and distinct on the
> contracted image, wider and vaguer on the extended one.
> I don't know if 6mm is the adult size or if it is a juvenile. And I
> don't know if it will be possible to identify it from a picture as I
> understand that some species are polymorphic.
>
> For interest I have also uploaded some pictures of a small (0.5 metre)
> specimen of Lineus longissimus from Menai and 10 metre specimen from
> Orkney. Links:
> http://tinyurl.com/yjp82dg <http://tinyurl.com/yjp82dg>
> http://tinyurl.com/yf3oxds <http://tinyurl.com/yf3oxds>
> http://tinyurl.com/yfv78vn <http://tinyurl.com/yfv78vn>
> http://tinyurl.com/ycn4h6l <http://tinyurl.com/ycn4h6l> In the picture
> of two people holding a worm up, there are 5 metres accounted for by
> the three drops to the ground and the pieces running across from hand
> to hand. There was as much worm again on the ground. The coiled worm
> would have filled a very large soup bowl. 10 metres accords with the
> specimen "over 30 feet" illustrated full size in the Ray Society
> "Monograph of the Worms" by Prof.McIntosh.
> Richard Elmhurst, superintendant of Millport Marine Biol Station in
> the early 20th Century, mentioned specimens over 20 yards (about 20
> metres).There is a claim on the web at:
> http://yzuke.blogspot.com/2008/09/longest-things-in-world.html
> <http://yzuke.blogspot.com/2008/09/longest-things-in-world.html>
> for a specimen of 180 feet (55 m), making it the World's longest
> animal. But I take it with a pinch of salt. Even if true, I guess tape
> worms of Blue Whales would be longer. Precise measurement is
> impossible as it stretches like elastic, but I think it can make claim
> to be the longest British animal, if Britain is defined as land above
> ELWS.
>
> The other "fisherman's tale" is of it harpooning and swallowing a
> fish, related by Charles Kingsley in his book "Glaucus". I have
> uploaded the extract at:
> http://tinyurl.com/y8j93nl <http://tinyurl.com/y8j93nl>
> Has anyone else ever witnessed this event?
>
> Best wishes
> Ian S
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi there - approx 75 individual species descriptions, and several line
drawings and keys. I only did a very quick count so it might have the
full set! Sheila
On 25/11/2009 15:10, ifsmith wrote:
>
> Could I ask any member who has a copy of Hayward & Ryland " Handbook
> of the Marine Fauna of North-West Europe" to let me know how many
> species of Nemertean (Ribbon worms) it describes? As I got no response
> to my request below, I want to equip myself to have a go at
> identifying them. The Linnean Synopses(£27) has 80 species, but if
> Hayward & Ryland(£44) has the majority of littoral spp. of nemertean
> it might be better to get it as it has other groups as well(though as
> no one identified my striped worm in the message below, it seems
> likely it is not included).
>
> I'd be interested to hear what others who have used Hayward & Ryland
> think of it.
> Thanks in advance.
> Ian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ifsmith
> To: Glaucus
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:54 PM
> Subject: [Glaucus] Nemertini, (Ribbon worms)
>
> Can anyone identify the striped possible Nemertine worm in my album
> Ian S? links:
> http://tinyurl.com/yfp2ylj <http://tinyurl.com/yfp2ylj>
> http://tinyurl.com/ykzt5ud <http://tinyurl.com/ykzt5ud>
> http://tinyurl.com/yktjyom <http://tinyurl.com/yktjyom>
> It has 4 eyes, the 2 on the right are clearest in the image of it
> extended. In fact I think they are internal light sensors visible
> through the translucent body or at the base of deep pits.
> The greyish white foot can be partly seen at the posterior of the
> twisted image.
> Behind the head are two white collars, thin and distinct on the
> contracted image, wider and vaguer on the extended one.
> I don't know if 6mm is the adult size or if it is a juvenile. And I
> don't know if it will be possible to identify it from a picture as I
> understand that some species are polymorphic.
>
> For interest I have also uploaded some pictures of a small (0.5 metre)
> specimen of Lineus longissimus from Menai and 10 metre specimen from
> Orkney. Links:
> http://tinyurl.com/yjp82dg <http://tinyurl.com/yjp82dg>
> http://tinyurl.com/yf3oxds <http://tinyurl.com/yf3oxds>
> http://tinyurl.com/yfv78vn <http://tinyurl.com/yfv78vn>
> http://tinyurl.com/ycn4h6l <http://tinyurl.com/ycn4h6l> In the picture
> of two people holding a worm up, there are 5 metres accounted for by
> the three drops to the ground and the pieces running across from hand
> to hand. There was as much worm again on the ground. The coiled worm
> would have filled a very large soup bowl. 10 metres accords with the
> specimen "over 30 feet" illustrated full size in the Ray Society
> "Monograph of the Worms" by Prof.McIntosh.
> Richard Elmhurst, superintendant of Millport Marine Biol Station in
> the early 20th Century, mentioned specimens over 20 yards (about 20
> metres).There is a claim on the web at:
> http://yzuke.blogspot.com/2008/09/longest-things-in-world.html
> <http://yzuke.blogspot.com/2008/09/longest-things-in-world.html>
> for a specimen of 180 feet (55 m), making it the World's longest
> animal. But I take it with a pinch of salt. Even if true, I guess tape
> worms of Blue Whales would be longer. Precise measurement is
> impossible as it stretches like elastic, but I think it can make claim
> to be the longest British animal, if Britain is defined as land above
> ELWS.
>
> The other "fisherman's tale" is of it harpooning and swallowing a
> fish, related by Charles Kingsley in his book "Glaucus". I have
> uploaded the extract at:
> http://tinyurl.com/y8j93nl <http://tinyurl.com/y8j93nl>
> Has anyone else ever witnessed this event?
>
> Best wishes
> Ian S
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Could I ask any member who has a copy of Hayward & Ryland " Handbook of the
Marine Fauna of North-West Europe" to let me know how many species of Nemertean
(Ribbon worms) it describes? As I got no response to my request below, I want to
equip myself to have a go at identifying them. The Linnean Synopses(£27) has 80
species, but if Hayward & Ryland(£44) has the majority of littoral spp. of
nemertean it might be better to get it as it has other groups as well(though as
no one identified my striped worm in the message below, it seems likely it is
not included).
I'd be interested to hear what others who have used Hayward & Ryland think of
it.
Thanks in advance.
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: ifsmith
To: Glaucus
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:54 PM
Subject: [Glaucus] Nemertini, (Ribbon worms)
Can anyone identify the striped possible Nemertine worm in my album Ian S?
links:
http://tinyurl.com/yfp2yljhttp://tinyurl.com/ykzt5udhttp://tinyurl.com/yktjyom
It has 4 eyes, the 2 on the right are clearest in the image of it extended. In
fact I think they are internal light sensors visible through the translucent
body or at the base of deep pits.
The greyish white foot can be partly seen at the posterior of the twisted
image.
Behind the head are two white collars, thin and distinct on the contracted
image, wider and vaguer on the extended one.
I don't know if 6mm is the adult size or if it is a juvenile. And I don't know
if it will be possible to identify it from a picture as I understand that some
species are polymorphic.
For interest I have also uploaded some pictures of a small (0.5 metre)
specimen of Lineus longissimus from Menai and 10 metre specimen from Orkney.
Links:
http://tinyurl.com/yjp82dghttp://tinyurl.com/yf3oxdshttp://tinyurl.com/yfv78vnhttp://tinyurl.com/ycn4h6l In the picture of two people holding a worm up,
there are 5 metres accounted for by the three drops to the ground and the pieces
running across from hand to hand. There was as much worm again on the ground.
The coiled worm would have filled a very large soup bowl. 10 metres accords with
the specimen "over 30 feet" illustrated full size in the Ray Society "Monograph
of the Worms" by Prof.McIntosh.
Richard Elmhurst, superintendant of Millport Marine Biol Station in the early
20th Century, mentioned specimens over 20 yards (about 20 metres).There is a
claim on the web at:
http://yzuke.blogspot.com/2008/09/longest-things-in-world.html
for a specimen of 180 feet (55 m), making it the World's longest animal. But I
take it with a pinch of salt. Even if true, I guess tape worms of Blue Whales
would be longer. Precise measurement is impossible as it stretches like elastic,
but I think it can make claim to be the longest British animal, if Britain is
defined as land above ELWS.
The other "fisherman's tale" is of it harpooning and swallowing a fish,
related by Charles Kingsley in his book "Glaucus". I have uploaded the extract
at:
http://tinyurl.com/y8j93nl
Has anyone else ever witnessed this event?
Best wishes
Ian S
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hiya,
My reply to a thread on
http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2268235#post2268235
the picture of D. intermedia in the image you have copied is that of a very
immature fish of what we know as the common Skate, the body shape changes to
a slightly less angular shape as they mature.
As according to the PDF Dipturus flossada has a max weight of 30kg so at
that weight D. intermedia (our Common skate) looks nothing like Dipturus
flossada both in body shape & physical features. Also at those sizes our
Common skate has a jet black underside that only fades once the fish passes
around the 50lb mark. So how they could have been thought to be the same
species is a bit of a mystery to me.
So in short from what I can see a "Flapper" skate is what we know to be a
Common skate, which we already know to be critically endangered.
From: Glaucus@... [mailto:Glaucus@...] On Behalf
Of DOUGLAS HERDSON
Sent: 19 November 2009 19:13
To: British Marine Wildlife; Shark-L
Cc: Ali Hood
Subject: [Glaucus] ID Error Leaves Fish at Edge of Extinction
Dear All
The Common Skate of the North East Atlantic is apparently actually two
species. Both endangered, but which do we get around the British Isles, or
if both what are there relative distributions?
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/11/extinction-error and
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=skate-punkd-taxonomic-oop
s-put-rare-2009-11-18
regards, Doug
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From: "Neumann, Christian" <Christian.Neumann@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:54 AM
To: <ECHINODERM-L@...>
Subject: "Sea Urchins II" by Heinke Schultz
> Dear all,
>
> I would like to announce Heinke Schultz' new book "Sea Urchins II".
> Following Part 1 (2005), which was devoted to shallow water echinoids,
> Volume 2 covers about 270 species of irregular echinoids from deeper
> waters. Volume 3, which is in preparation, will cover the deep-water
> regular echinoids. More information is available on the author's website:
> http://www.sea-urchins.com/.
>
> Cheers,
> Christian
>
>
>
> Dr. Christian Neumann
> Section Leader of Invertebrate Palaeozoology
> Museum fuer Naturkunde
> Leibniz Institute for Research on Evolution and Biodiversity
> at the Humboldt University Berlin
> Invalidenstrasse 43
> D-10115 Berlin, Germany
> Fon: +49 30 20938589
> Fax: +49 30 20938868
>
> Web:
>
http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/mitarbeiter/mitarbeiter.asp?name=Christian\
.Neumann
> Web: http://www.tornadoropa.eu
>
Hi, I'm a 2nd year Biology student, and I'm currently writing an eassay on the
phylum Nemertea. I am including a section on whether any nemerteans have been
found in the sussex area. If anyone knows of any and their whereabouts, or any
papers or articles I can research, it would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
(sorry about the double message and the typo!)
Hi, I'm a 2nd year Biology student, and I'm currently writing an eassay on the
phylum Nemertea. I am including a section on whether any nemerteans have been
found in the sussex area. If anyone knows of any and there where abouts, or any
papers or articles I can research, it would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
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