Hi,
There were also some this weekend at Hell's Mouth, Llyn Peninsula, Wales. They
were probably more like 30mm though.
Cheers
Charlie

>>> DOUGLAS HERDSON <douglas.herdson@...> 21/05/2009 12:02 >>>
Hi

     A report from David Dixon of thousands of Velella in a cove in SW Devon.

regards, Doug


Several thousand By the Wind Sailors - spotted amongst the rock pools on
Wednesday 20th May 2009 at around 1800 on mid tide. All appeared dead with no
signs of movement in the body/tentacle

Location - Between Stoke Point and Netton island   SX  555E 459N due south of
Newton Ferrers.

Colours - Blue/Black/Clear

Size - two groups - from 4 to 6mm, and 10 up to 15mm

The sail directions - NorthWest to SouthEast

David Dixon

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Hello,

MARINE LIFE NEWS BULLETIN TORPEDO (May 2009) No. 152


The monthly news bulletin has been sent out to subscribers and should arrive
in subscriber's mail boxes before you receive this message.

If you are a subscriber have not received it, please find a copy of the
bulletin at:
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Torpedo2009May.htm

Cheers


Andy Horton.
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Hello,


Adur World Oceans Day this year will take place in the marquee on Coronation
Green next to Shoreham High Street on 6th June 2009 on the opening Saturday
of the Adur Festival. Len Nevell will be there with the usual exhibition of
lobsters and crabs. The innovative aquarium displays of seashore life,
strandline exhibits and photographs will again be in on show. Experts will
be on hand to answer your queries about life in the oceans and on the
seashore.

I think World Oceans Day this is best described by the Nobel prize winning
author John Steinbeck when writing about Ed 'Doc' Ricketts of Cannery Row
fame in which he wrote 'commercial fishermen harvest the sea to feed men's
bodies and a marine biologist harvests the sea to feed men's minds'
Quote by Andy Horton (British Marine Life Study Society)

The Friends of Shoreham Beach will again be playing an important part with
their own displays and information about the Nature Reserve and plants of
the shingle beach.

Cheers

Andy Horton
glaucus@...

World Oceans Day UK Web Page
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/WOD.htm

ADUR WORLD OCEANS DAY
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/AWOD2009.html

Dear Group,
My name is David Fenwick, I'm 44, and my girlfriend and I are frequent
rockpoolers and we are also very interested in photography and field botany,
and take photos for our wildlife websites based on the flora and fauna of
Devon and Cornwall. A few of you here will already know me and know the
sites I do. I must also congratulate Andy here for the fantastic work he has
done at Glaucus over many years.

Having had to deal with alll sorts of personal issues over the past two
years I'm now getting back on my feet and my new local rockpooling site is
now the little known Spit Point near Par, Cornwall. I am glad to say that
the site is well on par, with well known sites such as Hannafore, Wembury
and Batten Bay, which I used to frequent whilst living in Plymouth; indeed
the more we go to Spit Point the more we find and the site holds many
species that I've never come across before. For instance over the past week
we've come across Candy-striped Flatworm, Small Cushion Star, Greater
Pipefish and Montagu Blenny in numbers, and Topknot and Shore Stickleback
were also found this week. The site has many large upper-middleshore pools
which hold many lowershore species. The site, in St. Austell Bay, is also
particularly rich in starfish and molluscs. Living in mid-Cornwall we do
travel and visit sites on both the north and south coast.

I'm hoping to both help people to identify shorelife and also be helped by
others at the same time, also looking at some point to meet up with other
serious rockpoolers in the area.

I'm always trying to get the best possible images I can and so to help
others identify what they find but also make people aware of marine life,
especially children. My girlfriend's website at www.carolscornwall.com, is
just three months old and I am trying through web design to make navigation
a lot easier for children. It's rockpooling index is at
http://www.carolscornwall.com/On%20the%20Beach/on-the-beach.html

I was also glad last year to be able to help Dr. Chris Gibson and supply
many images for his new Seashore Book, and also contribute seashore and
plant images to the RSPB Definitive Visual Guide to the Wildlife of the
British Isles.

Best Wishes,
Dave

David Fenwick
Nanpean,
Nr. St. Austell,
Cornwall.

A Photo Flora of the Devon and Cornwall Peninsula and West Yorkshire
www.aphotoflora.com

A Photo Fauna of the Devon and Cornwall Peninsula
www.aphotofauna.com

A Photo Fungi of the Devon and Cornwall Peninsula
www.aphotofungi.com

Carol's Cornwall
www.carolscornwall.com

Hi David.  My name is Ian and I am a 65 year old pleasure boat  fisherman
out of Trefor, north Wales.  I come across many hybrid spieces of  fish at
sea but always forget my camera.  I have fished the sea for over 55  years and
seen a lot of changes in the coast line and its inhabitants. We will  have
to get together sometime and talk about it if that's ok with you ?   Ian
Macleod


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Please assist if you can if you receive Seriola this year.

Best wishes,
Richard

Richard Lord
fishinfo@...

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Roodt-Wilding, R, Dr <roodt@...>" <roodt@...>
> Date: 3 June 2009 11:22:04 BST
> To: <fishinfo@...>
> Subject: Seriola samples
>
> Dear Richard
>
> We are working on a population genetics study of the yellowtail
> Seriola
> lalandi in South Africa
> We are however also involved in a phylogenetic analyses of the genus
> Seriola and collecting samples from across the distribution range of
> all
> 9 recognized species.
> Would it be possible to supply us with samples of any Seriola species?
> We would need only a few samples (3/4) with a finclipping preserved in
> 90-100% ethanol.
>
> If you are able to assist please let me know and we can also supply
> more
> details.
> Furthermore if you know of any one else that can help us or if you
> have
> samples of other available species of Seriola that would be greatly
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Dr. Rouvay Roodt-Wilding
> Molecular Aquatic Research Group
> Department of Genetics
> JC Smuts Building
> Room 213
> University of Stellenbosch
> Private Bag X1
> Matieland
> SOUTH AFRICA
> 7602
> Tel: +27 (0) 21 808 5831
> Fax: +27 (0) 21 808 5833


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Hello,

A seven year old child asks, is it a friendly Crab, how do you reply?

(A question for all personality types. context; an exhibition.)

Although it is does not really matter, the technical crab specs are here:

Edible Crab, Cancer pagurus, (British Marine Life Study Society)
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Cancer.htm

Edible crab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_crab

Cheers

Andy Horton
glaucus@...

World Oceans Day UK Web Page
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/WOD.htm

ADUR WORLD OCEANS DAY
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/AWOD2009.html

> A seven year old child asks, is it a friendly Crab, how do you reply?
>

Its a friendly crab all right, but they get a bit grumpy if they think you want
to eat them.

Mick

I would say "Yes it is a friendly crab.  It would love to have you for dinner if
it has the chance!"

Seriously, I might actually try some reality education here and tell her that
crabs in general behave as if they put other creatures in the world into one of
four  categories.  1.   Dangerous - a crab predator.  2.  Something that is good
to eat.  3.  Something that is neither good to eat nor dangerous.  4.  A
potential husband or wife.  There is no evidence that they understand the idea
of friendship.

We humans fit into category 1 unless we are dead in the water, in which case we
become 2.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sun 6/7/2009 4:01 AM
To: GLAUCUS; crust-l; Natural History; wetthumb; ukwildlife; adur
Subject: [Glaucus] Is it a Friendly Crab ?

Hello,

A seven year old child asks, is it a friendly Crab, how do you reply?

(A question for all personality types. context; an exhibition.)

Although it is does not really matter, the technical crab specs are here:

Edible Crab, YesCancer pagurus, (British Marine Life Study Society)
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Cancer.htm

Edible crab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_crab

Cheers

Andy Horton
glaucus@...

World Oceans Day UK Web Page
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/WOD.htm

ADUR WORLD OCEANS DAY
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/AWOD2009.html





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--- In Glaucus@..., "Andy Horton" <Glaucus@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> A seven year old child asks, is it a friendly Crab, how do you reply?
>
> (A question for all personality types. context; an exhibition.)
>
> Although it is does not really matter, the technical crab specs are here:
>
> Edible Crab, Cancer pagurus, (British Marine Life Study Society)
> http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Cancer.htm
>
> Edible crab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_crab
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy Horton
> glaucus@...
>
> World Oceans Day UK Web Page
> http://www.glaucus.org.uk/WOD.htm
>
> ADUR WORLD OCEANS DAY
> http://www.glaucus.org.uk/AWOD2009.html
>

I think it depends to some extent on the child and how many people are asking
questions at the same time etc.

I would proably ask the child what they meant by "is it a friendly crab?" Young
children often find it difficult to verbalise the question they want to ask. By
fielding it back to them, they may change their question to "will it bite/pinch
me?" or "is it dangerous to people?" or something similar. These are questions
that can then be answered more realistically and expanded on by other facts etc.

Or

I might ask the child if THEY think it is a friendly crab. Then depending on
their answer, ask them why they think that. This can then be expanded on by
other facts as above.

If there are several children and you are feeling more adventurous, you might
follow on from the childs answer by ask all the kids, what they think.

I might have taken a photograph of the crab in question. Due to the angle of the
shot, it looks like its about to grab a child's fingers in one of its pincers.

Steve Savage

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From: "pendeen2002" <pendeen2002@...>
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 11:33 AM
To: <CornishWildlife@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [CornishWildlife] 'Mako Man' Frank spots killer shark.

> 'Mako Man' Frank spots killer shark
>
> Saturday, June 06, 2009 FRom:thisiscornwall.co.uk
>
> A WESTCOUNTRY fisherman claims to have spotted a killer mako shark that
> leapt out of the sea and tore through his catch.
> Frank Vinnicombe, 86, was at Manacles Reef, 1.5 miles off Helford,
> Cornwall, when the 13ft beast savaged his mackerel haul.
> Mr Vinnicombe, of Mylor Creek, Falmouth, is regarded as one of the
> country's top shark hunters.
> He said: "This was a beast, around 350-400lb. It jumped straight out of
> the water, which other sharks don't do, and tore my catch to shreds.
> "I've been fishing off the coast here every day of my life and I've seen
> more British sharks than anyone alive. This was a mako."
> A cousin of the Great White, Shortfin Mako are known for attacking boats
> and swimmers. They are purportedly are the world's fastest sharks,
> reaching speeds of nearly 50mph.
> Mako have been reported in British waters in recent years. In 2005, the
> Western Morning News reported on fishermen making two sightings off the
> Westcountry coast.
> But Mr Vinnicombe's eye-witness account is believed to be the first
> reliable testimony for decades.
> He has caught more than 8,000 sharks in UK waters, including 10 makos,
> before overfishing depleted their numbers. He last caught a mako in the
> Westcountry in 1980.
> "I was aboard my boat the Cornish Lass with my first mate when this shark
> came up," he said. "It eyed us and jumped clear out of the water when it
> realised it had caught my line by mistake."
> Graeme Pullen, the UK's only full-time shark tagger, said the sighting was
> "incredibly exciting". He added: "Frank is nicknamed 'The Mako Man'
> because there's no-one else in Britain who has caught as many as him.
> "He's a legend in fishing circles, so if he says it was a mako, be under
> no doubt it was. That's one big fish out there."
> Makos usually feed on mackerel, squid and other sharks.
>
>
>

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Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 10:00 AM
To: <Glaucus@...>
Subject: OCEAN SUN FISH

> Dear Sirs,
>
> Yesterday (07/06/09) whilst returning from St Vaast to Portsmouth in a
> sailing yacht, we happened upon an ocean sun fish at about mid channel. We
> noticed it because its dorsal fin was breaking the surface. The fish was
> only about 0.5m across and appeared to be sun bathing. After circling it a
> couple of times it disappeared.
>
> Just thought you may be interested.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
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Hello Glaucus Group members
I'm interested in hearing if anyone's come across reports of fish farmers
blaming otters for tearing salmon or trout cage nets, and causing fish escapes.
I'm SPECIALLY interested in knowing if anyone's heard rumours about fish farmers
wanting to do bad things to otters because of these alleged incidents!

I work with the wild sea trout lobby in Scotland. We're not opposed to salmon
farming - in fact, I spent a couple of years, working on stakeholder
relationships, with one of the more enlightened salmon farming companies.
However, we reckon it's reached the stage where they have to be encouraged to do
what it is they have to do in some sort of closed containment facilities, either
land-based or floating. I'm lobbying hard on this in the Scottish Parliament,
which means I take frequent breaks to go & bang my head against a brick wall,
just to remind myself how pleasant life can be when youre REALLY GETTING THROUGH
TO PEOPLE (or bricks).

Best regards
Fiona Cameron

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Hello Fiona,

I have been a fish farmer for 25 years (primarily freshwater salmon smolt
production). In all those years I have only had one encounter with an otter
which I found one night in one of our raceways while loading smolts for
transport. We managed to capture it and release it unharmed. I've never heard of
otters being a problem in Irish salmon farms.

Best Regards,

Declan Quigley











--- In Glaucus@..., "Fiona Cameron" <fiona@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Glaucus Group members
> I'm interested in hearing if anyone's come across reports of fish farmers
blaming otters for tearing salmon or trout cage nets, and causing fish escapes.
I'm SPECIALLY interested in knowing if anyone's heard rumours about fish farmers
wanting to do bad things to otters because of these alleged incidents!
>
> I work with the wild sea trout lobby in Scotland. We're not opposed to salmon
farming - in fact, I spent a couple of years, working on stakeholder
relationships, with one of the more enlightened salmon farming companies.
However, we reckon it's reached the stage where they have to be encouraged to do
what it is they have to do in some sort of closed containment facilities, either
land-based or floating. I'm lobbying hard on this in the Scottish Parliament,
which means I take frequent breaks to go & bang my head against a brick wall,
just to remind myself how pleasant life can be when youre REALLY GETTING THROUGH
TO PEOPLE (or bricks).
>
> Best regards
> Fiona Cameron
>
> fiona@...
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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Hello,

Adur was one of the UK leaders in presenting an environmental exhibition of
World Oceans Day on Coronation Green, Shoreham-by-Sea, as part of the Adur
Festival

A few of the photographs are shown on the web page at:

http://www.glaucus.org.uk/AWOD2009.html

This year Adur World Oceans Day was on its own without any supporting
activities by other groups. A steady flow of visitors occurred throughout
the day, despite a damp morning.

Also at:

http://sussexmarinejottings.blogspot.com/2009/06/world-oceans-day-2009.html

Cheers

Andy Horton
glaucus@...

World Oceans Day UK Web Page
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/WOD.htm

ADUR WORLD OCEANS DAY
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/AWOD2009.html

Hello,

There was an upload problem. The web site now contains the new photographs.

Cheers

Andy Horton
glaucus@...

World Oceans Day UK Web Page
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/WOD.htm

ADUR WORLD OCEANS DAY
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/AWOD2009.html

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From: "Andy Horton" <Glaucus@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:10 AM
To: "adur" <adur@yahoogroups.com>; "wetthumb" <wetthumb@...>;
"ukwildlife" <ukwildlife@yahoogroups.com>; "TORPEDO"
<BMLSS-Torpedo@yahoogroups.com>; "GLAUCUS" <Glaucus@...>;
"Natural History" <NaturalHistory-L@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Glaucus] Adur World Oceans Day 2009

> Hello,
>
> Adur was one of the UK leaders in presenting an environmental exhibition
> of
> World Oceans Day on Coronation Green, Shoreham-by-Sea, as part of the Adur
> Festival
>
> A few of the photographs are shown on the web page at:
>
> http://www.glaucus.org.uk/AWOD2009.html
>
> This year Adur World Oceans Day was on its own without any supporting
> activities by other groups. A steady flow of visitors occurred throughout
> the day, despite a damp morning.
>
> Also at:
>
> http://sussexmarinejottings.blogspot.com/2009/06/world-oceans-day-2009.html
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy Horton
> glaucus@...
>
> World Oceans Day UK Web Page
> http://www.glaucus.org.uk/WOD.htm
>
> ADUR WORLD OCEANS DAY
> http://www.glaucus.org.uk/AWOD2009.html
>
>
>

Hello,

Excellent reply.

Comments:

This was important as we ran an educational exhibition for the children (and
adults = older children) called Adur World oceans Day


They say, don't work with animals and children.

From the detached viewpoint the crab just Is (Istigkeit) neither friend or
enemy. But this ignores the limited vocalbury of the younger children.

e.g. We had some Weever fish on display with a venomous spine, but young
children are taught the word poison and venom is not included in their books, so
the we have to use "sting", painful, hurtful etc. if we want to be understood.

http://www.glaucus.org.uk/weever2.htm

Of course, the octopi (should be octopuses) does not murder the Crab (as in
Sweet Thursday by John Steinbeck).

Even as youngsters, different personalities are noticeable. Some are more
touchy-feely than others. Even when young I never felt compelled to touch
aquatic animals, I would sooner just look at them. I was never cut out to be a
Mechanic (ISTP). Six year olds are frightened of the larger Lobsters and prefer
small Hermit Crabs.

Cheers


Andy Horton.
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--- In Glaucus@..., "seawatch17" <stevep.savage@...> wrote:
>
> I think it depends to some extent on the child and how many people are asking
questions at the same time etc.
>
> I would proably ask the child what they meant by "is it a friendly crab?"
Young children often find it difficult to verbalise the question they want to
ask. By fielding it back to them, they may change their question to "will it
bite/pinch me?" or "is it dangerous to people?" or something similar. These are
questions that can then be answered more realistically and expanded on by other
facts etc.
>
> Or
>
> I might ask the child if THEY think it is a friendly crab. Then depending on
their answer, ask them why they think that. This can then be expanded on by
other facts as above.
>
> If there are several children and you are feeling more adventurous, you might
follow on from the childs answer by ask all the kids, what they think.
>
> I might have taken a photograph of the crab in question. Due to the angle of
the shot, it looks like its about to grab a child's fingers in one of its
pincers.
>
> Steve Savage
>

Hi there

Does anyone know any more about this large Stingray, apparently caught from the
shore in the west of the Isle of Wight last week? 
http://www.iwcp.co.uk/news/sport/ray-record-tumbles-again-in-shore-fixture-26686\
.aspx

It is a shame it was treated in this way and not carefully returned to the sea
like the one caught in Pagham harbour last year.

regards, Doug

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Just a note to let members of this egroup know that the latest spring
newsletter from Helford Marine Conservation Group in Cornwall is now
available to download from their recently redesigned Helford Voluntary
Marine Conservation Area web site

http://www.helfordmarineconservation.co.uk/newsletters/index.htm

There are also lots of new pictures and more information about the
Helford River and its wildlife and things you can do there.

Best regards
Jayne Herbert (Web Design and maintenance)
www.jayne-herbert.co.uk


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Hi All
 
You may be interested to see this report, if you have not already -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1192763/First-moray-eel-caught-Britain-p\
ulled-Cornish-coast.html#.
 
Unfortunately it is inaccurate  - This is actually the tenth Mediterranean
Moray Muraena helena to be caught in British and Irish waters; the first was
caught on a line at Polperro in Cornwall in 1834.  (One was also found off
Ostend, Belgium in 1937.)  Also its actual weight was 3.8 kg and length 104 cm.
They are a North East Atlantic fish being found from Senegal to the English
Channel (and also in the Mediterranean).  They are not a sign of global
warming, but a warm water eel that is rare at the northern limit of its
distribution.  If climate change does continue to raise the sea temperatures
around our coasts they may become commoner.
 
My report comes from Dave Munday of the MFA Fisheries Office in Newlyn who gives
the position as  ICES area VIIh square 27E4 - approx. 49  20’N  006 30’
W.
 
The literature, most notably Wheeler, Merrett and Quigley (2004) gives three
previous Cornish records (all in the nineteenth century), one from Ostend, one
Herm and one Irish; however I have checked through the records held by the
Newlyn fisheries office and
find that a further three were landed to Newlyn in the 1990s, and Paul Gainey
reports one off Land's End in 1989.
 
regards, Doug
 Doug Herdson
Marine Fish Information Services
94 Dunstone View
Plymstock
Plymouth. PL9 8QW
Email: Douglas.Herdson@...
Telephone: +44(0)1752 405155

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Thanks Doug, mine of information as always! this one is going to be useful in
teaching 'rare but UK fish remains v imported foods' (archaeological that is) By
the way where can one get the Wheeler et al - cant find it listed anywhere,
should I ask Declan?
Sheila
SH-D ArchaeoZoology
http://www.shd-archzoo.co.uk
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   From: DOUGLAS HERDSON
   To: Cornish Wildlife ; British Marine Wildlife
   Cc: Matt Slatter ; James Wright ; raymond dennis ; Rory Goodall ; Ellie
Connolly
   Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 5:53 PM
   Subject: [Glaucus] Cornish Moray - first this century





   Hi All

   You may be interested to see this report, if you have not already -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1192763/First-moray-eel-caught-Britain-p\
ulled-Cornish-coast.html#.

   Unfortunately it is inaccurate  - This is actually the tenth Mediterranean
Moray Muraena helena to be caught in British and Irish waters; the first was
caught on a line at Polperro in Cornwall in 1834.  (One was also found off
Ostend, Belgium in 1937.)  Also its actual weight was 3.8 kg and length 104 cm.
They are a North East Atlantic fish being found from Senegal to the English
Channel (and also in the Mediterranean).  They are not a sign of global warming,
but a warm water eel that is rare at the northern limit of its distribution.  If
climate change does continue to raise the sea temperatures around our coasts
they may become commoner.

   My report comes from Dave Munday of the MFA Fisheries Office in Newlyn who
gives the position as  ICES area VIIh square 27E4 - approx. 49  20’N  006
30’ W.

   The literature, most notably Wheeler, Merrett and Quigley (2004) gives three
previous Cornish records (all in the nineteenth century), one from Ostend, one
Herm and one Irish; however I have checked through the records held by the
Newlyn fisheries office and
   find that a further three were landed to Newlyn in the 1990s, and Paul Gainey
reports one off Land's End in 1989.

   regards, Doug
    Doug Herdson
   Marine Fish Information Services
   94 Dunstone View
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Crabs don't know what friendly means, but we do, so it's up to us to be friendly
to him and all his rockpool chums.

Thanks Doug, mine of information as always! this one is going to be useful in
teaching 'rare but UK fish remains v imported foods' (archaeological that is) By
the way where can one get the Wheeler et al - cant find it listed anywhere,
should I ask Declan?
  Sheila
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This reference is to "Additional records and notes for Wheeler's (1992) List of
Common and Scientific Names of Fishes of the British Isles." by A.C. Wheeler,
N.R. Merrett and D.T.G Quigley - it was published as a supplement to the Journal
of Fish Biology Vol.65 Supplement B(40 pages).  The original Wheeler list was
supplement A to Vol. 41.  An Academic library should have them.

good luck, Doug

Part of a Neanderthal man's skull has been dredged up from the North Sea, in
the first confirmed find of its kind.

Scientists in Leiden, in the Netherlands, have unveiled the specimen - a
fragment from the front of a skull belonging to a young adult male.

Analysis of chemical "isotopes" in the 60,000-year-old fossil suggest a
carnivorous diet, matching results from other Neanderthal specimens.

The North Sea is one of the world's richest areas for mammal fossils.

But the remains of ancient humans are scarce; this is the first known
specimen to have been recovered from the sea bed anywhere in the world.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8099377.stm

Its rather a poor picture and has a bad press.
1. Can anyone id the species of Moray. 
2. while diving in Teneriffe and Saudi Arabia i came across dozens of Morays and
was never harmed by one indeed my mate used to hand feed one in Teneriffe it was
amazing to watch. The ferocious posture of Morays whilst located in thier holes
is a breathing reflex that appears menacing so please dont give Mr Moray bad
press i for one prefer diving with Morays rather than Congers.
 
george

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Thanks Doug, mine of information as always! this one is going to be useful in
teaching 'rare but UK fish remains v imported foods' (archaeological that is) By
the way where can one get the Wheeler et al - cant find it listed anywhere,
should I ask Declan?
Sheila
SH-D ArchaeoZoology
http://www.shd- archzoo.co. uk
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----- Original Message -----
From: DOUGLAS HERDSON
To: Cornish Wildlife ; British Marine Wildlife
Cc: Matt Slatter ; James Wright ; raymond dennis ; Rory Goodall ; Ellie Connolly
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 5:53 PM
Subject: [Glaucus] Cornish Moray - first this century

Hi All

You may be interested to see this report, if you have not already -
http://www.dailymai l.co.uk/news/ article-1192763/ First-moray- eel-caught-
Britain-pulled- Cornish-coast. html#.

Unfortunately it is inaccurate - This is actually the tenth Mediterranean Moray
Muraena helena to be caught in British and Irish waters; the first was caught on
a line at Polperro in Cornwall in 1834. (One was also found off Ostend, Belgium
in 1937.) Also its actual weight was 3.8 kg and length 104 cm. They are a North
East Atlantic fish being found from Senegal to the English Channel (and also in
the Mediterranean) . They are not a sign of global warming, but a warm water eel
that is rare at the northern limit of its distribution. If climate change does
continue to raise the sea temperatures around our coasts they may become
commoner.

My report comes from Dave Munday of the MFA Fisheries Office in Newlyn who gives
the position as ICES area VIIh square 27E4 - approx. 49 20’N 006 30’ W.

The literature, most notably Wheeler, Merrett and Quigley (2004) gives three
previous Cornish records (all in the nineteenth century), one from Ostend, one
Herm and one Irish; however I have checked through the records held by the
Newlyn fisheries office and
find that a further three were landed to Newlyn in the 1990s, and Paul Gainey
reports one off Land's End in 1989.

regards, Doug
Doug Herdson
Marine Fish Information Services
94 Dunstone View
Plymstock
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Hello,

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I thought I would alert you to our lecture in October:

Earthwatch Lecture:  Meeting Marine Needs

Thursday 15th October 2009, 7.00pm – 8.30pm at the Royal
Geographical Society, 1 Kensington Gore, London SW7 2AR

Speakers Dennis Sammy, Nature Seekers, & Nienke van Geel, The Hebridean
Whale & Dolphin Trust.  Chaired by Nigel Winser.

Human activities and climate change pose multiple threats to marine
species.  Hear about Earthwatch's research in projects as wide
ranging as Trinidad's leatherback sea turtles and Hebridean whales
and dolphins.

Please see:
http://www.earthwatch.org/europe/get_involved/events09/lecture09-marine
<http://www.earthwatch.org/europe/get_involved/events09/lecture09-marine\
>

Ticket only - free to students and current Earthwatch donors; otherwise
a donation will be requested on the door.

For tickets and/or more information contact our Events Department on
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FOR PHOTOS PLEASE SEE: http://www.uk-rpc.org/28-06-09.html

I got up early for a nice walk and a spot of rock pooling on Worthing beach at
9.30am. I walked from the Half Brick Pub to Worthing Pier and found some
stunning creatures.

On my 1st walk, I saw some 60+ Snakelock Anemones , about 20 common brown hermit
crabs, loads of squat lobsters, shrimps, porcelain crabs, loads of edible crabs,
shore crabs, European green crabs, the usual suspects.

To my great surprise I found one stunning brown Pipe Fish just before Worthing
Pier, I was so pleased and then just close by I found a very unusual white or
albino edible crab. Never seen one before, but he or she was stunning.

I also came across a rather strange looking slug / worm type of thing and a very
strange spiky thing, I though it might be an Urchin, the spikes are hard and
they do not pull back like a anemone, but they did move from side to side as I
touched them. So not to sure. If anyone can ID the spiky creature for me, please
do. See the Pic's below.

After my Worthing beach trip I wandered to the old pipe line on Lancing beach,
again saw some stunning stuff, a huge Place Fish just under the pipe, he then
swam out and a shore crab came to inspect him and he dashed off. I saw loads of
little blue fish in huge schools, at least 50+ European green and shore crabs
walking about on the sea bed. The water deep in the pipes was at least 1.5
meters deep, but crystal clear! I also found quite a lot of cuttle fish eggs.

All in all, a stunning day, just loved it. Please see the pic's below and ID the
ones I can not if you can. E-Mail me to: Jason@...

FOR PHOTOS PLEASE SEE: http://www.uk-rpc.org/28-06-09.html

Hello,

The etymology of Walrus is one to seperate the horsemen from proper
scientists:

[probably a. Du. walrus (walros). Compare (i) LG. walross, G. walross
(earlier also walruss, walrusch), Sw. hvalross, valross (valruss), Da.
hvalros (earlier also hvalrusk), walrus; (ii) OE. horschwæl, early mod.G.
rosswal, russwal, Norw. russhval, walrus, ? OFr. rohal, rohart, rochal
(whence med.L. rohanlum, -allum) walrus-ivory; see RUEL.
   The forms under (i) appear to be later than those under (ii) from which
they perh. arose (? in Du.) by metathesis on some analogy such as that of
Du. walvisch whale.

   The interpretation of formation (ii) as 'horse-whale' (zoologically
improbable) appears to be only one of the various popular etymologies that
have influenced the forms of the word. Ultimately a confusion, either within
or outside the Scandinavian languages, has perhaps taken place between ON.
hrosshvalr a kind of whale, and rosmhvalr walrus. The latter is related
obscurely to ON. rosmall, Norw. rosmaal, rosmaar, Da. rosmær, -er, -ar
walrus, whence the scientific specific name rosmarus. See ROSMARINE2. Some
scholars have connected rosm- with ON., Icel. rostungr walrus, and assumed
relationship of both with ON. rau{edh}r RED. (Cf. RORQUAL and OHG. ros(a)mo
redness.) This is zoologically possible, but it seems more likely that rosm-
is a corruption of some non-Teut. word: cf. MORSE.]

OED

Cheers


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