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#3580 From: "Rolland Pava clubs" <rpavarotti_clubs@...>
Date: Sun May 14, 2006 4:36 pm
Subject: Stephen Fry in The Ode Less Travelled
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Stephen Fry in The Ode Less Travelled, writes examples of the forms he
discusses:

HAIKU:
Five seven and five:
Seventeen essential oils
for warm winter nights

Clerihew :

Oscar Wilde
had his reputation defiled.
When he was led from the dock in tears
he said "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at two years."







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#3575 From: "dessaint.jp" <dessaint.jp@...>
Date: Wed Jan 4, 2006 1:46 pm
Subject: Fw: Shakespeare: ¿BISEXUAL?
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Shakespeare: ¿"BISEXUAL"?
Retrato de Henry Wriothesley (1573-1624) Tercer Conde de Southampton, c.1590-93.
Se cree que el tercer conde de Southampton, además de mentor de Shakespeare, fue su amante.
Un retrato del siglo XVII identificado recientemente no constituye una prueba concluyente de que William Shakespeare era homosexual, según especialistas en su obra e historiadores de arte británicos.

La vida íntima de Shakespeare, sobre quién se han escrito miles de libros, siempre ha sido un gran misterio.

Aunque se casó y tuvo hijos, muchos investigadores sugieren que era homosexual o bisexual, sobre todo porque algunos de sus sonetos de amor, en particular el número 20, parecen estar dirigido a un joven.


La propia mano de la naturaleza te pintó un rostro de mujer / Y tienes, dueño y dueña de mi pasión, / de una mujer el corazón sensible, pero desconoces su mutabilidad

William Shakespeare: Soneto XX.
"La propia mano de la naturaleza te pintó un rostro de mujer / Y tienes, dueño y dueña de mi pasión, / de una mujer el corazón sensible, pero desconoces su mutabilidad", dicen sus primeros versos.

Durante años, los estudiosos de la obra de Shakespeare han planteado que ese joven pudo haber sido su mentor, Henry Wriothesley, el tercer conde de Southampton, cuyo primer retrato conocido se cree que es el identificado hace poco y a quien el bardo dedicó dos largos poemas, "Venus y Adonis" y "El rapto de Lucrecia".

Lady Norton

El dueño del retrato, Alec Cobbe, le dijo a la BBC que éste ha estado en poder de su familia durante cerca de 300 años.

Hasta hace poco, creían que se trataba de una mujer, debido a los rasgos femeninos de la persona retratada y a una inscripción en la parte de atrás del cuadro que reza "Lady Norton, hija del obispo de Wishon".

William Shakespeare.
Shakespeare dedicó dos poemas a Southampton.
Pero un respetado especialista británico, Alastair Laing, dijo al verlo que parecía tratarse de un hombre joven, no una mujer.

"Es la imagen de un dandy. Es algo perfectamente normal, excepto por el arete y el cabello", considera Laing.

Varios expertos que han estudiado el retrato y su proveniencia concuerdan en que se trata del tercer conde de Southampton, cuando tenía de 17 a 20 años, período que coincide con el momento en que Shakespeare escribió sus famosos sonetos.

Su familia y los antepasados de Cobbe eran vecinos y estaban emparentados.

Bisexual sí

El catedrático Peter Holland, del Instituto Shakespeare de la Universidad de Birmingham, Reino Unido, considera que el retrato no prueba nada acerca de la sexualidad de Shakespeare.


No creo que haya dudas de que era bisexual

Peter Holland, Instituto Shakespeare.
"Lo que sí me parece que muestra es una falta de conocimiento sobre los retratos del período isabelino".

"Parece un retrato muy normal de un joven muy a la moda".

Holland no cree que Shakespeare era homosexual.

"Pero no creo que haya dudas de que era bisexual", dijo.

"Indudablemente, alguno de los sonetos estaban dedicados a hombres jóvenes, posiblemente a Southampton, pero no se debe olvidar que las nociones sobre la sexualidad eran diferentes en esos momentos y la palabra homosexual ni siquiera existía", agregó.






#3574 From: "dessaint.jp" <dessaint.jp@...>
Date: Sat Dec 17, 2005 3:56 pm
Subject: happy new year
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Voici comment faire pout télécharger ce clip:
See below the french text, how to donwload the clip: 
 

Après avoir cliqué sur le lien qui vous dirigera vers RapidShare, faites défiler la page et vous
verrez un tableau offrant différentes options. Au bas de ce tableau,
clique sur "Free", ensuite une page ayant comme entête
"Ad financed 1 - click Webhosting+Webspace"
apparaîtra, allez au bas de cette page et cliquez sur le lien en caractère gras(vous aurez parfois à attendre de 10 à 60 secondes avant que celui-ci apparaisse).
 
Facile, rapide et GRATUIT. 
 
Bon visionnement.
 
 

 
Hi, all.
Firt, click on the link that will lead you to RapidShare. Once there, scrool the page and click on “Free”, which is at the bottom of a roster, then you'll see at the top of a new page "Ad financed 1 - click Webhosting+ Webspace",
scroll all the page and wait for the bold link to appear, which may be 10 to 60 secondes later, click on the link and the download will start.
 
Easy,quick and FREE.
 
 


#3573 From: "Rolland P" <rpavarotti@...>
Date: Tue Nov 8, 2005 4:16 pm
Subject: Vers rapportés avec symétrie diagonale
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Mon      Hôtesse  Nous      Offre    Hot

Hôtesse     Or        Nous      Cool      Poireau,

Nous      Nous      Coltinons     Son       Corset

Offre     Cool      Son       Prose    Sort

Hot       Poireau,     Corset   Sort      Lolos



Rolland Pauzin - Vers rapportés avec symétrie diagonale










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#3572 From: "Rolland P" <rpavarotti@...>
Date: Tue Nov 1, 2005 4:08 pm
Subject: Balade DCCCCXXII - Eustache Deschamps (XIVeme siecle) qui n'avait pas froid aux yeux.
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Balade DCCCCXXII

(contre Brugaud)

Boniface, Miraumont et Poitiers
Vilebeon, Billi, ceulx de Touraine
Ont Chastelet tenu deux jours entiers
Sur les carreaulx, par la court souveraine,
Dont l'un disoit: "Dieu mette en malestraine" (i.e. En malheur en mauvaise
chance)
Cellui par qui nous faisons cy le guet !
Car Folie nous a basti ce plet
Par un homme qui a le cul trop chaut.
- Vous dites voir, ce respont un varlet :
Mauditte soit la couille de Brugaut !

Car ce qu'il gist aux femmes voluntiers
Aux samedis et en la quarantaine, (=carême)
Et que toudis en est plains ses greniers,
Le fist happer assez près de Behaingne (Bohême á Paris)
Par. les sergens, et lors crioit s'enseigne;
Maint le suy jusques en Chastelet;
Ramenez fut et prins par le colet ;
Mais l'endemain furent tuit mis en hault
Les rameneurs, ou il fait ort et let :
Mauditte soit la couille de Brugaut.

Qui ainsi fais tenir les prinsonniers!
Chastrer le fault: c'est la voie plus saine
Si ne sera plus ribaut ne putiers, (i.e. ni putiers)
Ou autrement doubt qu'il ne s'en refraingne.
Soit pardonné a la povre compaigne
Pour ceste foiz la foleur qu'elle a fet,
Et l'en face Brugaut chastrer de fet,
Car par ce point ne sera plus ribaut,
Puis qu'en  prison sont tant, oultre leur het,
Mauditte soit la couille de Brugaut!"

L'ENVOY

Princes, merci aux povres escuiers :
Delivrez les vostre grace leur fault;.
Poulz et puces ont ja quatre milliers :
Mauditte soit la couille de Brugaut !


En français moderne mais SGDG

Balade DCCCCXXII

(contre Brugaud)

Boniface, Miraumont et Poitiers
Vilebeon, Billi, ceux de Touraine
Ont tenu au Châtelet deux jours entiers
Sur les carreaux, par la cour souveraine,
Dont l'un disait: "Que Dieu mette un mauvais sort
Sur celui pour qui nous faisons le guet !
Car Folie nous a bâti ce lieu
Par un homme qui a le cul trop chaud.
- Vous dites voir, répond un valet :
Maudite soit la couille de Brugaut!

Car ce qui gît aux femmes volontier
Les samedis et au Carême
Et que tout le monde a plein ses greniers,
Le fît happer assez près de la Bohême (de Paris)
Par les sergents, et lors criait "ça t'apprendra";
Maint le suivirent jusqu'au Châtelet;
Il furent ramenés et pris par le collet;
Mais le lendemain ceux qui le ramenèrent
Furent tous mis en haut ou il fait sale et laid :
Maudite soit la couille de Brugaut!

Qui fait ainsi tenir les prisonniers!
Il faut le châtrer: c'est la voie la plus saine
Et il ne sera plus ribaud ni putier
Ou sinon on doute qu'il ne se réfrène.
Qu'il soit pardonné á la pauvre compagne
Pour cette fois la folie qu'elle a faite,
Et de le faire châtrer en fait,
Car par ce point il ne sera plus ribaud,
Puis qu'en  prison il y en a tant, contre leur grés:
"Maudite soit la couille de Brugaut!"

L'ENVOY

Princes, Ayez merci des pauvres écuyers:
Délivrez les votre grâce de leur faute;
Poux et puces ils ont déjá quatre milliers :
Maudite soit la couille de Brugaut !




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#3571 From: "dessaint.jp" <dessaint.jp@...>
Date: Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:16 pm
Subject: Parodie de 'Yesterday' Montez le son
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Parodie de 'Yesterday' Montez le son

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
'YESTERDAY
 
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Yesterday,
 All those backups seemed a waste of pay.
 Now my database has gone away.
 Oh I believe in yesterday.

www.wackywits.com

 Suddenly,
 There's not half the files there used to be,
 And there's a milestone hanging over me
 The system crashed so suddenly.

www.wackywits.com

 I pushed something wrong
 What it was I could not say.
 Now all my data's gone
 and I long for yesterday-ay-ay-ay.

www.wackywits.com

 Yesterday,
 The need for back-ups seemed so far away.
 I knew my data was all here to stay,
 Now I believe in yesterday.
 
 
Yesterday...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 




#3570 From: "Rolland P" <rpavarotti@...>
Date: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:26 am
Subject: le vers a soie anglais
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mention du vers a soie (silkworm) et de soyeux (silken) par un poete anglais au
XVIIeme siecle

Poems by Richard Crashaw
English Poet (1613-1649)

Wishes To His (Supposed) Mistress
Richard Crashaw

Whoe'er she be,
That not impossible she
That shall command my heart and me;

Where'er she lie,
Locked up from mortal eye
In shady leaves of destiny:

Till that ripe birth
Of studied fate stand forth,
And teach her fair steps to our earth;

Till that divine
Idea take a shrine
Of crystal flesh, through which to shine:

Meet you her, my wishes,
Bespeak her to my blisses,
And be ye called my absent kisses.

I wish her beauty,
That owes not all its duty
To gaudy tire, or glist'ring shoe-tie;

Something more than
Taffata or tissue can,
Or rampant feather, or rich fan;

More than the spoil
Of shop, or silkworm's toil,
Or a bought blush, or a set smile.

A face that's best
By its own beauty drest,
And can alone commend the rest:

A face made up
Out of no other shop
Than what nature's white hand sets ope.

A cheek where youth
And blood with pen of truth
Write what the reader sweetly ru'th.

A cheek where grows
More than a morning rose,
Which to no box his being owes.

Lips, where all day
A lovers kiss may play,
Yet carry nothing thence away.

Looks that oppress
Their richest tires, but dress
And clothe their simplest nakedness.

Eyes, that displaces
The neighbour diamond, and outfaces
That sunshine by their own sweet graces.

Tresses, that wear
Jewels, but to declare
How much themselves more precious are;

Whose native ray
Can tame the wanton day
Of gems that in their bright shades play.

Each ruby there,
Or pearl that dare appear,
Be its own blush, be its own tear.

A well-tamed heart,
For whose more noble smart
Love may be long choosing a dart.

Eyes, that bestow
Full quivers on Love's bow,
Yet pay less arrows than they owe.

Smiles, that can warm
The blood, yet teach a charm,
That chastity shall take no harm.

Blushes, that bin
The burnish of no sin,
Nor flames of aught too hot within.

Joyes, that confess
Virtue their mistress,
And have no other head to dress.

Fears, fond and flight
As the coy bride's when night
First does the longing lover right.

Tears, quickly fled
And vain as those are shed
For a dying maidenhead.

Days, that need borrow
No part of their good morrow
From a forspent night of sorrow.

Days, that, in spite
Of darkness, by the light
Of a clear mind are day all night.

Nights, sweet as they,
Made short by lovers' play,
Yet long by th' absence of the day.

Life, that dares send
A challenge to its end,
And when it comes say Welcome Friend.

Sydneian showers
Of sweet discourse, whose powers
Can crown old winter's head with flowers.

Soft silken hours,
Open suns, shady bowers
'Bove all; nothing within that lours.

Whate'er delight
Can make day's forehead bright,
Or give down to the wings of night.

In her whole frame
Have nature all the name,
Art and ornament the shame.

Her flattery
Picture and poesy,
Her counsel her own virtue be.

I wish her store
Of worth may leave her poor
Of wishes; and I wish-no more.

Now, if Time knows
That Her, whose radiant brows
Weave them a garland of my vows;

Her, whose just bays
My future hopes can raise,
A trophy to her present praise;

Her, that dares be
What these lines wish to see:
I seek no further, it is she.

'Tis she, and here
Lo! I unclothe and clear
My wishes' cloudy character.

May she enjoy it,
Whose merit dare apply it,
But modesty dares still deny it!

Such worth as this is
Shall fix my flying wishes,
And determine them to kisses.

Let her full glory,
My fancies, fly before ye;
Be ye my fictions, but her story.

Amities,
Rolland qui n'a pas trouvé de traductions en francais.




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#3569 From: "Rolland P" <rpavarotti@...>
Date: Sat Oct 8, 2005 4:25 pm
Subject: Le système métrique - par L'abbé de Thélème
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Les irlandais ont changé cette année les signalements sur les routes pour passer
des miles/hour aux Km/hour mais ils leurs restent encore pas mal de choses a
apprendre sur le  systeme metrique.

Comme ils sont encore tres religieux je me demandais si une traduction de ce
poeme sur le systeme metrique international (et le debat philosophique sur la
valeur du centimetre) ne serait pas utile surtout qu'il est écrit pas un abbé
...
mais je ne suis pas sur de pouvoir tout traduire, il me semble que ces mots sont
beaucoup plus francais qu'internationaux.

Amities,
Rolland.


Le système métrique

Invités à passer la soirée
Dans l' Empyrée
Adam avec son Eve enrageaient de n'avoir,
Elle, une robe à traîne et lui son habit noir.
   Lors le serpent, rampant par là, dit d'un air digne :
" Prenez donc des feuilles de vigne. "
Et nos premiers parents transformés en tailleurs
L'un et l'autre prenant mesure,
Se pelotaient des pieds jusques à la ceinture
Et même ailleurs ;
   Mais ils ne savaient pas le système métrique
Et se trompaient toujours.
Le serpent qui, de rire, avait une colique,
Leur cria : " Mes amours !
Je veux vous suggérer encore un de mes tours:
Je suis la dix-millionnième
Part
Du quart
Du méridien terrestre lui-même,
Rigole, Adam ! Essuie, Eve, ton dernier pleur !
Je puis bien vous servir d'étalon mesureur. " ...
Et le système qu'on dit être Métrique n'ayant plus qu'à naître,
Adam voulut le mètre, Eve le centimètre !

L'abbé de Thélème. (Pseudonyme pour Guillaume Apollinaire)






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#3568 From: "dessaint.jp" <dessaint.jp@...>
Date: Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:35 pm
Subject: avis pour le futur pape
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Année  1981

1. Le prince Charles s'est  marié
2. Liverpool  a été champion  d'Europe
3. Le  Pape est  décédé

Année  2005

1. Le prince Charles s'est  marié
2. Liverpool a  été champion  d'Europe
3. Le Pape est  décédé

Si le prince veut se remarier et que Liverpool est en  finale de la champions league
Merci d'avertir le  Pape !!!
 
 
 


#3567 From: "Rolland P" <rpavarotti@...>
Date: Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:59 pm
Subject: The New Collossus - Emma Lazarus (1849 - 1887) et en Francais
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La statue de la liberté fut inaugurée le 28 Octobre 1886

The New Collossus - Emma Lazarus (1849 - 1887)

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at the sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost, to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Ma traduction:

Le Nouveau Colosse

Non comme un géant grec, dont les fers renommés
Et d'amples enjambées, conquirent mers et terres
Ici se levera sur le couché solaire
La puissante Lady dont la torche enflammée
Emprisonne la foudre et sur ces flots son nom:
Mère des exilés. Sa main - phare stellaire -
Brille d'un Bienvenue. Ses yeux commandent l'aire
Des deux villes jumelles au suspendu pont.

"Gardez votre Vieux Monde et vos pompes" dit-elle
De ses lèvres fermées, "Donnez-moi le brisé,
Demandant liberté, le gueux et le rebelle,
Et tous vos rejetés des rives surpeuplés
Envoyez sans-abris, et naufragés qui hèlent
Je garde la lumière à la porte dorée".

Note:
le poème fut écrit pour financer le projet en 1883, soit trois ans avant son
inauguration et il fut aposé a la statue en 1906.

Amities,
Rolland qui se demande vraiment si un tel poeme pourrait encore etre mis sur
n'importe quelle statue de liberte aux US ou en France ou n'importe ou en
Europe. Car qui veut les naufragés de l'immigration de nos jours? Triste.




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#3566 From: "dessaint.jp" <dessaint.jp@...>
Date: Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:23 pm
Subject: Pour les inconditionnels des Rollings Stones
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I can't get no satisfaction,
I can't get no satisfaction.
'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try.
I can't get no, I can't get no.

When I'm drivin' in my car
and that man comes on the radio
and he's tellin' me more and more
about some useless information
supposed to fire my imagination.
I can't get no, oh no no no.
Hey hey hey, that's what I say.

I can't get no satisfaction,
I can't get no satisfaction.
'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try.
I can't get no, I can't get no.

When I'm watchin' my TV
and that man comes on to tell me
how white my shirts can be.
Well he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke
the same cigarrettes as me.
I can't get no, oh no no no.
Hey hey hey, that's what I say.

I can't get no satisfaction,
I can't get no girl with action.
'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try.
I can't get no, I can't get no.

When I'm ridin' round the world
and I'm doin' this and I'm signing that
and I'm tryin' to make some girl
who tells me baby better come back later next week
'cause you see I'm on losing streak.
I can't get no, oh no no no.
Hey hey hey, that's what I say.

I can't get no, I can't get no,
I can't get no satisfaction,
no satisfaction, no satisfaction, no satisfaction
 
 
 
 
 

#3565 From: "Rolland P" <rpavarotti@...>
Date: Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:14 am
Subject: Limerick Happy Birthday
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Limerick Happy Birthday

Maria comptait le vingt-deux septembre
Aller fêter au resto dit "Tendre
Ride" un anniversaire -
"In" vint l'an, l'adversaire,
Accrochant un I au vin neuf d'ambre.

Amitiés
Rolland




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#3564 From: "Rolland P" <rpavarotti@...>
Date: Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:09 am
Subject: Brassens pour les anglais le 22 Septembre - Happy birthday
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Alan Palmer will sing Brassens songs on the 29th of September @ Skipton
Yorkshire.
Worth a visit for sure.

A song from Brassens about the 22nd of Septembre

Georges Brassens
Le 22 septembre

Un vingt-deux de septembre au diable vous partites,
Et, depuis, chaque année, à la date susdite,
Je mouillais mon mouchoir en souvenir de vous...
Or, nous y revoilà, mais je reste de pierre,
Plus une seule larme à me mettre aux paupières:
Le vingt-deux de septembre, aujourd'hui, je m'en fous.

On ne reverra plus au temps des feuilles mortes,
Cette âme en peine qui me ressemble et qui porte
Le deuil de chaque feuille en souvenir de vous...
Que le brave Prévert et ses escargots veuillent
Bien se passer de moi pour enterrer les feuilles:
Le vingt-deux de septembre, aujourd'hui, je m'en fous.

Jadis, ouvrant mes bras comme une paire d'ailes,
Je montais jusqu'au ciel pour suivre l'hirondelle
Et me rompais les os en souvenir de vous...
Le complexe d'Icare à présent m'abandonne,
L'hirondelle en partant ne fera plus l'automne:
Le vingt-deux de septembre, aujourd'hui, je m'en fous.

Pieusement noué d'un bout de vos dentelles,
J'avais, sur ma fenêtre, un bouquet d'immortelles
Que j'arrosais de pleurs en souvenir de vous...
Je m'en vais les offrir au premier mort qui passe,
Les regrets éternels à présent me dépassent:
Le vingt-deux de septembre, aujourd'hui, je m'en fous.

Désormais, le petit bout de coeur qui me reste
Ne traversera plus l'équinoxe funeste
En battant la breloque en souvenir de vous...
Il a craché sa flamme et ses cendres s'éteignent,
A peine y pourrait-on rôtir quatre châtaignes:
Le vingt-deux de septembre, aujourd'hui, je m'en fous.

Et c'est triste de n'être plus triste sans vous



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Amis Britanniques, bonjour !
Alan Palmer, un de nos copains Anglais, chantera Brassens le 29 septembre à
Skipton, dans le Yorkshire, à l'invitation de Cercle Français de cette bonne
ville.
Qu'on se le dise !
Pierre
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> Les versets à soigneur
>
> Les versets à soigneur murmurent dans le muscadet
> ils ne mangent pas ces murex blancs et mols
> pleins d'un sucrier qui ne fait pas d'alcôve
> Les versets à soigneur qui sont patients et douillets
>
> mastiquent les feuillets avec un brumaire mouillé
> ça les endort mais au dessus de leurs épaulettes
> ils tissent une cocotte ronde aux deux polices
> à filament de bayou, puis dorment rassurés
>
> En la dévidant on tire un filament de soigneur
> dont on fait pour un bel dan un robinet
> bel également qu'il porte avec allusion
>
> Quand le Dan meurt on enterre le soigneur
> avec lui et on plante, sur sa tombola en octroi ,
> un muscadet où sans final les versets à soigneur murmurent
>
> S+1 nom qui se trouve à la fois dans le New Shorter Oxford English
Dictionnary
> 1998 et le petit Larousse 1994 (versions électroniques)
> à partir de "Les animaux de tout le monde" (Jacques Roubaud)
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> Les vers à soie
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> Les vers à soie murmurent dans le mûrier
> ils ne mangent pas ces mûres blanches et molles
> pleines d'un sucre qui ne fait pas d'alcool
> les vers à soie qui sont patients et douillets
>
> mastiquent les feuilles avec un bruit mouillé
> ça les endort mais au dessus de leurs épaules
> ils tissent un cocon rond aux deux pôles
> à fil de bave, puis dorment rassurés
>
> En le dévidant on tire un fil de soie
> dont on fait pour une belle dame une robe
> belle également qu'elle porte avec allure
>
> Quand la dame meurt on enterre la soie
> avec elle et on plante, sur sa tombe en octobre,
> un mûrier où sans fin les vers à soie murmurent
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#3562 From: "Rolland Pava clubs" <rpavarotti_clubs@...>
Date: Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:26 am
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Les versets à soigneur

Les versets à soigneur murmurent dans le muscadet
ils ne mangent pas ces murex blancs et mols
pleins d'un sucrier qui ne fait pas d'alcôve
Les versets à soigneur qui sont patients et douillets

mastiquent les feuillets avec un brumaire mouillé
ça les endort mais au dessus de leurs épaulettes
ils tissent une cocotte ronde aux deux polices
à filament de bayou, puis dorment rassurés

En la dévidant on tire un filament de soigneur
dont on fait pour un bel dan un robinet
bel également qu'il porte avec allusion

Quand le Dan meurt on enterre le soigneur
avec lui et on plante, sur sa tombola en octroi ,
un muscadet où sans final les versets à soigneur murmurent

S+1 nom qui se trouve à la fois dans le New Shorter Oxford English Dictionnary
1998 et le petit Larousse 1994 (versions électroniques)
à partir de "Les animaux de tout le monde" (Jacques Roubaud)




Les vers à soie

Les vers à soie murmurent dans le mûrier
ils ne mangent pas ces mûres blanches et molles
pleines d'un sucre qui ne fait pas d'alcool
les vers à soie qui sont patients et douillets

mastiquent les feuilles avec un bruit mouillé
ça les endort mais au dessus de leurs épaules
ils tissent un cocon rond aux deux pôles
à fil de bave, puis dorment rassurés

En le dévidant on tire un fil de soie
dont on fait pour une belle dame une robe
belle également qu'elle porte avec allure

Quand la dame meurt on enterre la soie
avec elle et on plante, sur sa tombe en octobre,
un mûrier où sans fin les vers à soie murmurent

Jacques Roubaud - Les animaux de tout le monde







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#3561 From: "Rolland P" <rpavarotti@...>
Date: Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:43 am
Subject: Les vers à soie - parodie
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Les vers à soie

 

Les vers à soie murmurent dans le mûrier

ils ne mangent pas ces mûres blanches et molles

pleines d'un sucre qui ne fait pas d'alcool

les vers à soie qui sont patients et douillets

 

mastiquent les feuilles avec un bruit mouillé

ça les endort mais au dessus de leurs épaules

ils tissent un cocon rond aux deux pôles

à fil de bave, puis dorment rassurés

 

En le dévidant on tire un fil de soie

dont on fait pour une belle dame une robe

belle également qu'elle porte avec allure

 

Quand la dame meurt on enterre la soie

avec elle et on plante, sur sa tombe en octobre,

un mûrier où sans fin les vers à soie murmurent

 

Jacques Roubaud - Les animaux de tout le monde

 

Parodie de Rolland: 

 

Le vié à soie des quartiers Nord de Marseille

 

Le vié à soi mut Muriel dans le mûrier!

Il ne fange pas ses miches blanches et molles

pleines d'un sucre qui ne fait pas d'alcool

le vié à soi qui fond patient et douillet

 

mais nique les brêles avec un bruit mouillé

ça les endort. . .  mais au dessus de leurs épaules

il pisse comme un con, rond. Oh ! Popol

à fil de bave, puits d'or, meus assuré !

 

En le dévidant, on tire un fil de soie

que l'on fout par une belle. Drame en un zob

(bielle également), qu'elle pite avec allure

 

Quand la dame meurt on enterre la soie

avec elle et on plante, sur sa tombe en octobre,

un mûrier où sans fin le vié (à soie) carbure

Note : Le vié marseillais n'est rien d'autre que le vit  

Amitiés

Rolland

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#3560 From: "Claire" <claire.grivet@...>
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#3559 From: "Rolland P" <rpavarotti@...>
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You said "double-entendre"?
Non j'ai dit double sens.

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#3558 From: john chan <johnxxx82uk@...>
Date: Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:26 am
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The World Computer Revolution

The knowledge is strength, the Internet is money.
 
Dear friends:
 
This is 1 US dollar Internet education plan, please email your country government and the world, thanks my friend. 
 
Under $USD1 one day total 1,200,000,000 world people 
 
Full money is village people.
village 2 computers plan ( 1 computer = $USD500  )
 
1,000 people * $USD1 = $USD1,000 = 2 Computers
 
500 people * $USD2 = $USD1,000 = 2 Computers
 
200 people * $USD5 = $USD1,000  = 2 Computers
 
Full money is country government.
No the electric power, subsidize the full money the bicycle dynamo and the accumulator, no the Internet, the VCD/DVD disc is the education expenses, the full money by government payment.
 
This is the country policy, may the control execution.

One US Dollar Education Plan  

1. ideas beginning

The Internet tidal current is enormous and powerful, the government and all professions update to the Internet is inevitable, the education promotes the national strength, enhances people's life, the Internet education is the first agenda, look the world, now the world no the cheap education website, the world Internet education is Must want.

This is 1 billion people Internet education plans, because the integer is easy calculate, this plan is make money, by the government levies 1 people 1 US dollar 1 year education fee, total $USD 1,000,000,000,  this Internet current is the rare opportunity, this is needs the government overall planning, please email your country government and the world, thanks my friend.

2. websites operations

The Internet education cost down 99%, the traditional teaching 1 teacher teaches 45 people, the Internet teaches 4,500 ~ infinite people, enhance the people educate standard, is the world agree, better be free of charge reads master, doctor, the Internet education may achieve this goal.

First 1 people 1 us dollar 1 year fee, total $US 1 billion, then according ratio allocate resources:

The website operation and the administration expense is 1.5% (national population small, administration expense is high, not exceed 5%).

The educates website profit is 10%, no profit is Invalid.

The income 30%, total $US 300 million subsidy village install public computer expense, this subsidy is only one, the subsidy no exceed total amount 50%, covers 700 million people (70% is farmer), basic every 1,000 people install 2 computers, 1 printers, 1 scanners, total 1.4 million1 computer $US 1,000, total $US 1400 million, subsidy 50% altogether $US 700 million.

This plan accomplish in 3 years, total $US 900 million subsidies amount, the village down to 200 people, so long as they  levies 1 computer money, the government then subsidy another 1 computer money, 2 computers were bad 1 had another computer to using, at first this 3 years income many money, expenditure is few, has Very many money earnings, surplus 10% profit $US 300 million may use, the plan is no the money difficulty.

3. services networks (this item only makes reference, various countries acts according to oneself national condition decision.)

The computers covers the nation is very quick, many computers sales go to the towns and villages, the village computers plan by easy to difficult, in several city expansions to towns and villages, (subsidy 50% equal treatment) order the organization teams to understand the operation, the computers plan go to remote villages, this part is no merchants service, must set up the service station. (after 2 years had earnestly to examine whether did need to exist, 1. merchants arrived, we then abolishes, 2. After 2 years the consumer understand the repair or understand select the computers.)

4. poorest villages subsidies

The poorest villages, is must invest most subsidies, the village no the electric power, the full money subsidize the bicycle dynamo and the accumulator , 2 computers subsidize maintain at 50%, the village no the Internet, the CD/DVD disc is the education expenses, If must the teacher teaching, this must obtain the real data to implementation.

5. costs low, the benefit is high

The Internet is the 3rd wave knowledge economic revolution, the knowledge spread cost is cheap, 100% internet education is imperative, the benefit is very big, this is on-line teaching, we used the manpower to make the supposition, the education have 20 grades, each grades had 10 branches, each branch had 10 teachers (student to be allowed to select the teacher teaching), each teacher had 10 assistants, the teacher salary $US 10,000 year, each grades has 1,100 teacher * 20 grades = 22,000 teacher, total $US 220 million + $US 15 million websites and administrative expenses + $US 300 million is impoverished and computer subsidy + $US 100 million profits = $US 635 million.

Income $US 1000 million - $US 635 million = surplus $US 365 million

The services station, the development teams, the supply homepage, to cope with has $US 365 million.

Will educate 1 people to become a capable people needs very many moneys, the Internet education is the future education way, regardless of any time will start, the country and the people to obtain the huge benefit.

Please send this plan your country government and the world people, this plan needs translate to English and the various writing, the translator sign, the name keeps the history, please join http://groups.msn.com/TheworldcomputerRevolution 

Initiator: Ming-Tat Cheung 

Date: 26/10/2004 Hong Kong 

Website: http://twcr.why.to

This is Chinese machine translation English, please email your government and the world, thank very much.

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#3556 From: "Rolland Bouillon" <bouillon_de_poesie@...>
Date: Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:22 pm
Subject: correction Re: [Poésie universelle] Original Child Bomb
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Pardon mais j'avais oublié le dernier point du texte:
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41. Since that summer many other bombs have

been "found." What is going to happen?

At the time of writing, after a season of brisk

speculation, men seem to be fatigued by the whole question.





(1962)





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Subject: [Poésie universelle] Original Child Bomb - Thomas Merton (1915 -
1968) - Note en francais a la fin


Voir fin pour quelques notes en francais:

Here is a poem written in 1962 about 1945 and of course still as relevant as
ever.
I love the laconic tone, and the sarcasm under the apparent benign factual
report.
Point 8 which defines the word "collateral ..." - before the word was used as an
excuse by some present authorities

Note: the format of the "document" is actually the same as the one used by
church authorities (catholic) when they discuss a philosophical, sainthood or
social issues. Thomas Merton was a priest and a poet.


Original Child Bomb - Thomas Merton (1915 - 1968)

1: In the year 1945 an Original Child was born.
The name Original Child was given to it by
the Japanese people, who recognized that it was
the first of a kind.

2: On April 12th, 1945, Mr. Harry Truman
became the President of the United States,
which was then fighting the second world war.

Mr. Truman was a vice president who became
president by accident when his predecessor died
of a cerebral hemorrhage. He did not know
as much about the war as the president before
him did. He knew a lot less about the war
than many people did.

About one hour after Mr. Truman became
president, his aides told him about a new bomb
which was being developed by atomic
scientists. They called it the "atomic bomb."
They said scientists had been working on it for
six years and that it had so far cost two
billion dollars. They added that its power was
equal to that of twenty thousand tons of
TNT. A single bomb could destroy a city. One of
those present added, in a reverent tone, that
the new explosive might eventually destroy the
whole world.

But Admiral Leahy told the president the
bomb would never work.

3: President Truman formed a committee of
men to tell him this bomb would work, and if
so, what he should do with it. Some
members of this committee felt that the bomb
would jeopardize the future of civilization.
They were against its use. Others wanted it to
be used in demonstration on a forest of
cryptomeria trees, but not against civil or
military target. Many atomic scientists warned
that the use of atomic power in war would
be difficult and even impossible to control. The
danger would be very great. Finally, there
were others who believed that if the bomb were
used just once or twice, on one or two Japanese
cities, there would be no more war. They
believed the new bomb would produce eternal
peace.

4: In June 1945 the Japanese government
was taking steps to negotiate for peace. On one
hand the Japanese ambassador tried to
interest the Russian government in acting as a
go-between with the United States. On the
other hand an unofficial approach was made
secretly through Mr. Allen Dulles in Switzerland.
The Russians said they were not interested
and they would not negotiate. Nothing was
done about the other proposal which was
not official. The Japanese High Command was
not in favor of asking for peace, but wanted
to continue the war, even if the Japanese
mainland were invaded. The generals believed
that the war should continue until everybody
was dead. The Japanese generals were
professional soldiers.

5: In the same month of June, the President's
committee decided that the new bomb
should be dropped on a Japanese city. This
would be a demonstration of the bomb on a
civil and military target. As "demonstration" it
would be a kind of a "show." "Civilians"
all over the world love a good "show." The
"destructive" aspect of the bomb would
be "military."

6: The same comitee also asked if America's
friendly ally, the Soviet Union, should be
informed of the atomic bomb. Someone
suggested that this information would make the
Soviet Union even more friendly that it was
already. But all finally agreed that the
Soviet Union was now friendly enough.

7: There was discussion about which city
should be selected at the first target. Some
wanted it to be Kyoto, an ancient capital
of Japan and a center of the Buddhist religion.
Others said no, this would cause bitterness.
As a result of a chance conversation, Mr.
Stimson, the Secretary of War, had recently
read up on the history and beauties of Kyoto. He
insisted that this city should be left untouched.
Some wanted Tokyo to be the first target,
but others argued that Tokyo had already been
practically destroyed by fire raids and
could no longer be considered a "target." So
it was decided Hiroshima was the most
opportune target, as it had not yet been bombed
at all. Lucky Hiroshima! What others had
experienced over a period of four years
would happen to Hiroshima in a single day!
Much time would be saved, and "time is money!"

8: When they bombed Hiroshima they would
put the following out of business: The
Ube Nitrogen Fertilizer Company; the Ube Soda
Company; the Nippon Motor Oil Company;
the Sumitomo Chemical Company; the
Sumitomo Aluminium Company; and most of
the inhabitants.

9: At this time some atomic scientists
protested again, warning that the use of the
bomb in war would tend to make the
United States unpopular. But the President's
committee was by now fully convinced that the
bomb had to be used. Its use would arouse
the attention of the Japanese military class
and give them food for thought.

10: Admiral Leahy renewed his declaration that
the bomb would not explode.

11: On the 4th of July, when the United States
in displays of fireworks celebrates its
independence from British rule, the British and
Americans agreed together that the bomb
ought to be used against Japan.




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12: On July the 7th the Emperor of Japan
pleaded with the Soviet Government to act as
mediator for peace between Japan and the
Allies. Molotov said the question would
be "studied". In order to facilitate this "study"
Soviet troops in Siberia prepared to attack
the Japanese. The Allies had, in any case, been
urging Russia to join the war against Japan.
However, now that the atomic bomb was
nearly ready, some thought it would be better
if the Russians took a rest.

13: The time was coming for the new bomb to
be tested, in the New Mexico desert. A name
was chosen to designate this secret operation. It
was called "Trinity."

14: At 5:30 A.M. on July 16th, 1945, a
plutonium bomb was successfully exploded in
the desert at Almagordo, New Mexico. It
was suspended from a hundred foot steel tower
which evaporated. There was a fireball a
mile wide. The great flash could be seen for a
radius of 250 miles. A blind woman miles
away said she perceived light. There was a cloud
of smoke 40,000 feet high. It was shaped
like a toadstool.

15: Many who saw the experiment expressed
their satisfaction in religious terms. A
semi-official report even quoted a religious book
- The New Testament, "Lord, I believe, help
thou my unbelief." There was an atmosphere
of devotion. It was a great act of faith.
They believed the explosion was exceptionally
powerful.

16: Admiral Leahy, still a "doubting Thomas,"
said that the bomb would not explode when
dropped from a plane over a city. Others may
have had "faith," but he had his own variety of
"hope."

17: On july 21st a full written report of
the explosion reached President Truman at
Postadam. The report was documented by
pictures. President Truman read the report and
looked at the pictures before starting out
for the conference. When he left his mood was
jaunty and his step was light.

18: That afternoon Mr. Stimson called on
Mr. Churchill, and laid before him a
sheet of paper bearing a code message read
"Babies satisfactorily born." Mr. Churchill was
quick to realize that there was more in this
that met the eye. Mr. Stimson satisfied
his legitimate curiosity.

19: On this same day sixty atomic scientists who
knew of the test signed a petition that the
bomb should not be used against Japan
without a convincing warning and an
opportunity to surrender.

At this time the U.S.S. Indianapolis, which
had left San Fransico on the 18th, was
sailing toward the Island of Trinian, with some
U 235 in a lead bucket. The fissionable material
was about the size of a sofball, but there
was enough for one atomic bomb. Instructions
were that if the ship sank, the Uranium was
to be saved first, before any life. The
mechanism of the bomb was on board the U.S.S.
Indianapolis, but it was not assembled.

20: On July 26th the Postdam declaration was
issued. An ultimatum was given to Japan:
"Surrender unconditionally or be destroyed."
Nothing was said about the new bomb. But
pamphlets dropped all over Japan
threatened "an enormous air bombardement"
if the army would not surrender. On july 26th
the U.S.S. Indianapolis arrived at Trinian and the
bomb was delivered.

21: On July 28th, since the Japanese High
Command wished to continue the war,
the ultimatum was rejected. A censored version
of the ultimatum appeared in the Japanese
press with the comment that it was "an
attempt to drive a wedge between the military
and the Japanese people." But the Emperor
continued to hope that the Russians, after
"studying" his proposal,would help to
negotiate a peace. On July 30th Mr. Stimson
revised a draft of the announcement that was to
be made after the bomb was dropped on the
Japanese target. The statement was much
better than the original draft.

22: On August 1st the bomb was assembled in
an air-conditioned hut in Trinian. Those who
handled the bomb referred to it as "Little Boy."
Their care for the Original Child was devoted
and tender.

23: On August 2nd President Truman was
the guest of His Majesty King George VI
on board the H.M.S. Renown in Plymouth
Harbor. The atomic bomb was praised. Admiral
Leahy, who was present, declared that the
bomb would not work. His Majesty George VI
offered a small wager to the contrary.

24: On August 2nd a special message from the
Japanese Foreign Minister was sent to the
Japanese Ambassador in Moscow. "It is
requested that further efforts be exerted . . .
Since the loss of one day may result in a
thousand years of regret, it is requested that you
immediately have a talk with Molotov."
But Molotov did not return from Pstdam until
the day the bomb fell.

25: On August 4th the bombing crew on Trinian
watched a movie of "Trinity" (the
Almagado Test). August 5th was a Sunday but
there was little time for formal worship.
They said a quick prayer that the war might end
"very soon." On that day, Col. Tibbetts,
who was in command of the B-29 that was to
drop the bomb, felt that his bomber ought
to have a name. He baptized it Enola Gay, after
his mother in Iowa, Col. Tibbetts was a well
balanced man, and not a sentimental. He did not
like some of the other members of the crew.

26: On Sunday afternoon "Little Bow"
was brought out in procession and devoutly
tucked away in the womb of Enola Gay.
That evening few were able to sleep. They were
as excited as little boys on Christmas Eve.

27: At 1:37 A.M. August 6th the weather scout
plane took off. It was named the Straight
Flush, in reference to the mechanical action of a
water closet. There was a picture of one,
to make this evident.

28: At the last minute before taling off Col.
Tibbetts changed the secret radio call
sign from "Visitor" to "Dimples." The Bombing
Mission would be a kind of flying smile.
29: At 2:45 A.M. Enola Gay got off the ground
wih difficulty. Over Iwo Jima she met her
escort, two more B-29s, one of which was called
the Great Artiste. Together they proceeded
To Japan.

30: At 6:40 they climbed to 31,000 feet, the
bombing altitude. The sky was clear. It was a
perfect morning.

31: At 3:09 they reached Hiroshima and
started the bomb run. The city was full of ?sun
The fliers could see the green grass in
the gardens. No fighters rose up to meet them.
There was no flak. No one in the city
bothered to take cover.

32: The bomb exploded within 100 feet of the
aiming point. The fireball was 18,000 feet
across. The temperature at the center of
the fireball was 100,000,000 degrees. The
people who were near the center became
nothing. The whole city was blown to bits and
the ruins all caught fire instantly
everywhere, burning briskly. 70,000 people
were killed right away or died within a few hours.
Those who did not die at once
suffered great pain. Few of them were soldiers.

33: The men in the plane perceived that the
raid had been successful, but they thought of
the people in the city and they were not
perfectly happy. Some felt they had
done wrong. But in any case they had obeyed
orders. "It was war."

34: Over the radio went the code message that
the bomb had been successful: "Visible
effects greater than Trinity . . . Proceeding to
Papacy." Papacy was the code name for Trinian.

35: It took a little while for the rest of Japan
to find out what had happened to Hiroshima.
Papers were forbidden to publish any
news of the new bomb. A four line item said
that Hiroshima had been hit by incendiary
bombs and added: "It seems that some damage
was caused to the city and its vicinity."

36: Then the military governor of the
Prefecture of Hiroshima issued a proclamation
full of martial spirit. To all the people
whithout hands, without feet, with their faces
falling off, with their intestines hanging
out, with their whole bodies full of radiation,
he declared: "We must not rest a single day in
our war effort . . . We must bear in mind
that the annihilation of the stubborn enemy is
our road to revenge." He was a
professional soldier.

37: On August 8th Molotov finally summoned the
Japanese Ambassador. At last neutral
Russia would give an answer to the Emperor's
inquiry. Molotov said coldly that the Soviet
Union was declaring war on Japan.

38: On August 9th another bomb was dropped
on Nagasaki, though Hiroshima was still burning.
On August 11th the Emperor
overruled his high command and accepted the
peace terms dictated at Postdam. Yet for three
days discussion continued, until on August
14th the surrender was made public and final.

39: Even the Soviet troops thought
they ought to fight in Manchuria "just a little
longer." They felt that even though they could
not, at this time, be of help in Japan, it
would be worth while if they displayed their
good will in Manchuria, or even in Korea.

40: As to the Original Child that was now born,
President Truman summed up the philosophy
of the situation in a few words. "We found
the bomb" he said "and we used it."




41. Since that summer many other bombs have

been "found." What is going to happen?

At the time of writing, after a season of brisk

speculation, men seem to be fatigued by the whole question.





(1962)


(1962)

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Ce poeme sur la decision et les evenements autour de la bomme atomique larguee
sur Hiroshima est d'un ton laconique.
Les evenements sont factuellement tous corrects, le sarcasme sous-jacent
questionne:
l'honnete des faits presentés par les autorites (avec beaucoup de litotes et/ou
de fausses raisons),
le detournement des textes religieux et/ou le jeu qui consiste a donner un alibi
et une dimension religieuse aux atrocites commises.
les buts : financiers, montrer son pouvoir, donner des lecons, ecraser les
"autres" sous des pretextes divers en utilisant/detournant la religion ou les
valeurs morales.

Le peu de cas fait de la vie des "autres". Cela changera t il jamais?
et tout le raisonnement qui se veut LOGIQUE et n'est en fin de compte la que
pour justifier ses actes (qu'ils soient atroces ou non). Le dadaisme etait ne de
ca justement. Chercher et creer le non-raisonnement pour eviter de se tromper
soi-meme (et surtout les autres) sur les bons sentiments, les bonnes actions, la
bonne nature de l'etre humain etc...

Par ailleurs le texte contient beaucoup de dates
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Date: Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:08 pm
Subject: Original Child Bomb - Thomas Merton (1915 - 1968) - Note en francais a la fin
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Voir fin pour quelques notes en francais:

Here is a poem written in 1962 about 1945 and of course still as relevant as
ever.
I love the laconic tone, and the sarcasm under the apparent benign factual
report.
Point 8 which defines the word "collateral ..." - before the word was used as an
excuse by some present authorities

Note: the format of the "document" is actually the same as the one used by
church authorities (catholic) when they discuss a philosophical, sainthood or
social issues. Thomas Merton was a priest and a poet.


Original Child Bomb - Thomas Merton (1915 - 1968)

1: In the year 1945 an Original Child was born.
The name Original Child was given to it by
the Japanese people, who recognized that it was
the first of a kind.

2: On April 12th, 1945, Mr. Harry Truman
became the President of the United States,
which was then fighting the second world war.

Mr. Truman was a vice president who became
president by accident when his predecessor died
of a cerebral hemorrhage. He did not know
as much about the war as the president before
him did. He knew a lot less about the war
than many people did.

About one hour after Mr. Truman became
president, his aides told him about a new bomb
which was being developed by atomic
scientists. They called it the "atomic bomb."
They said scientists had been working on it for
six years and that it had so far cost two
billion dollars. They added that its power was
equal to that of twenty thousand tons of
TNT. A single bomb could destroy a city. One of
those present added, in a reverent tone, that
the new explosive might eventually destroy the
whole world.

But Admiral Leahy told the president the
bomb would never work.

3: President Truman formed a committee of
men to tell him this bomb would work, and if
so, what he should do with it. Some
members of this committee felt that the bomb
would jeopardize the future of civilization.
They were against its use. Others wanted it to
be used in demonstration on a forest of
cryptomeria trees, but not against civil or
military target. Many atomic scientists warned
that the use of atomic power in war would
be difficult and even impossible to control. The
danger would be very great. Finally, there
were others who believed that if the bomb were
used just once or twice, on one or two Japanese
cities, there would be no more war. They
believed the new bomb would produce eternal
peace.

4: In June 1945 the Japanese government
was taking steps to negotiate for peace. On one
hand the Japanese ambassador tried to
interest the Russian government in acting as a
go-between with the United States. On the
other hand an unofficial approach was made
secretly through Mr. Allen Dulles in Switzerland.
The Russians said they were not interested
and they would not negotiate. Nothing was
done about the other proposal which was
not official. The Japanese High Command was
not in favor of asking for peace, but wanted
to continue the war, even if the Japanese
mainland were invaded. The generals believed
that the war should continue until everybody
was dead. The Japanese generals were
professional soldiers.

5: In the same month of June, the President's
committee decided that the new bomb
should be dropped on a Japanese city. This
would be a demonstration of the bomb on a
civil and military target. As "demonstration" it
would be a kind of a "show." "Civilians"
all over the world love a good "show." The
"destructive" aspect of the bomb would
be "military."

6: The same comitee also asked if America's
friendly ally, the Soviet Union, should be
informed of the atomic bomb. Someone
suggested that this information would make the
Soviet Union even more friendly that it was
already. But all finally agreed that the
Soviet Union was now friendly enough.

7: There was discussion about which city
should be selected at the first target. Some
wanted it to be Kyoto, an ancient capital
of Japan and a center of the Buddhist religion.
Others said no, this would cause bitterness.
As a result of a chance conversation, Mr.
Stimson, the Secretary of War, had recently
read up on the history and beauties of Kyoto. He
insisted that this city should be left untouched.
Some wanted Tokyo to be the first target,
but others argued that Tokyo had already been
practically destroyed by fire raids and
could no longer be considered a "target." So
it was decided Hiroshima was the most
opportune target, as it had not yet been bombed
at all. Lucky Hiroshima! What others had
experienced over a period of four years
would happen to Hiroshima in a single day!
Much time would be saved, and "time is money!"

8: When they bombed Hiroshima they would
put the following out of business: The
Ube Nitrogen Fertilizer Company; the Ube Soda
Company; the Nippon Motor Oil Company;
the Sumitomo Chemical Company; the
Sumitomo Aluminium Company; and most of
the inhabitants.

9: At this time some atomic scientists
protested again, warning that the use of the
bomb in war would tend to make the
United States unpopular. But the President's
committee was by now fully convinced that the
bomb had to be used. Its use would arouse
the attention of the Japanese military class
and give them food for thought.

10: Admiral Leahy renewed his declaration that
the bomb would not explode.

11: On the 4th of July, when the United States
in displays of fireworks celebrates its
independence from British rule, the British and
Americans agreed together that the bomb
ought to be used against Japan.




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12: On July the 7th the Emperor of Japan
pleaded with the Soviet Government to act as
mediator for peace between Japan and the
Allies. Molotov said the question would
be "studied". In order to facilitate this "study"
Soviet troops in Siberia prepared to attack
the Japanese. The Allies had, in any case, been
urging Russia to join the war against Japan.
However, now that the atomic bomb was
nearly ready, some thought it would be better
if the Russians took a rest.

13: The time was coming for the new bomb to
be tested, in the New Mexico desert. A name
was chosen to designate this secret operation. It
was called "Trinity."

14: At 5:30 A.M. on July 16th, 1945, a
plutonium bomb was successfully exploded in
the desert at Almagordo, New Mexico. It
was suspended from a hundred foot steel tower
which evaporated. There was a fireball a
mile wide. The great flash could be seen for a
radius of 250 miles. A blind woman miles
away said she perceived light. There was a cloud
of smoke 40,000 feet high. It was shaped
like a toadstool.

15: Many who saw the experiment expressed
their satisfaction in religious terms. A
semi-official report even quoted a religious book
- The New Testament, "Lord, I believe, help
thou my unbelief." There was an atmosphere
of devotion. It was a great act of faith.
They believed the explosion was exceptionally
powerful.

16: Admiral Leahy, still a "doubting Thomas,"
said that the bomb would not explode when
dropped from a plane over a city. Others may
have had "faith," but he had his own variety of
"hope."

17: On july 21st a full written report of
the explosion reached President Truman at
Postadam. The report was documented by
pictures. President Truman read the report and
looked at the pictures before starting out
for the conference. When he left his mood was
jaunty and his step was light.

18: That afternoon Mr. Stimson called on
Mr. Churchill, and laid before him a
sheet of paper bearing a code message read
"Babies satisfactorily born." Mr. Churchill was
quick to realize that there was more in this
that met the eye. Mr. Stimson satisfied
his legitimate curiosity.

19: On this same day sixty atomic scientists who
knew of the test signed a petition that the
bomb should not be used against Japan
without a convincing warning and an
opportunity to surrender.

At this time the U.S.S. Indianapolis, which
had left San Fransico on the 18th, was
sailing toward the Island of Trinian, with some
U 235 in a lead bucket. The fissionable material
was about the size of a sofball, but there
was enough for one atomic bomb. Instructions
were that if the ship sank, the Uranium was
to be saved first, before any life. The
mechanism of the bomb was on board the U.S.S.
Indianapolis, but it was not assembled.

20: On July 26th the Postdam declaration was
issued. An ultimatum was given to Japan:
"Surrender unconditionally or be destroyed."
Nothing was said about the new bomb. But
pamphlets dropped all over Japan
threatened "an enormous air bombardement"
if the army would not surrender. On july 26th
the U.S.S. Indianapolis arrived at Trinian and the
bomb was delivered.

21: On July 28th, since the Japanese High
Command wished to continue the war,
the ultimatum was rejected. A censored version
of the ultimatum appeared in the Japanese
press with the comment that it was "an
attempt to drive a wedge between the military
and the Japanese people." But the Emperor
continued to hope that the Russians, after
"studying" his proposal,would help to
negotiate a peace. On July 30th Mr. Stimson
revised a draft of the announcement that was to
be made after the bomb was dropped on the
Japanese target. The statement was much
better than the original draft.

22: On August 1st the bomb was assembled in
an air-conditioned hut in Trinian. Those who
handled the bomb referred to it as "Little Boy."
Their care for the Original Child was devoted
and tender.

23: On August 2nd President Truman was
the guest of His Majesty King George VI
on board the H.M.S. Renown in Plymouth
Harbor. The atomic bomb was praised. Admiral
Leahy, who was present, declared that the
bomb would not work. His Majesty George VI
offered a small wager to the contrary.

24: On August 2nd a special message from the
Japanese Foreign Minister was sent to the
Japanese Ambassador in Moscow. "It is
requested that further efforts be exerted . . .
Since the loss of one day may result in a
thousand years of regret, it is requested that you
immediately have a talk with Molotov."
But Molotov did not return from Pstdam until
the day the bomb fell.

25: On August 4th the bombing crew on Trinian
watched a movie of "Trinity" (the
Almagado Test). August 5th was a Sunday but
there was little time for formal worship.
They said a quick prayer that the war might end
"very soon." On that day, Col. Tibbetts,
who was in command of the B-29 that was to
drop the bomb, felt that his bomber ought
to have a name. He baptized it Enola Gay, after
his mother in Iowa, Col. Tibbetts was a well
balanced man, and not a sentimental. He did not
like some of the other members of the crew.

26: On Sunday afternoon "Little Bow"
was brought out in procession and devoutly
tucked away in the womb of Enola Gay.
That evening few were able to sleep. They were
as excited as little boys on Christmas Eve.

27: At 1:37 A.M. August 6th the weather scout
plane took off. It was named the Straight
Flush, in reference to the mechanical action of a
water closet. There was a picture of one,
to make this evident.

28: At the last minute before taling off Col.
Tibbetts changed the secret radio call
sign from "Visitor" to "Dimples." The Bombing
Mission would be a kind of flying smile.
29: At 2:45 A.M. Enola Gay got off the ground
wih difficulty. Over Iwo Jima she met her
escort, two more B-29s, one of which was called
the Great Artiste. Together they proceeded
To Japan.

30: At 6:40 they climbed to 31,000 feet, the
bombing altitude. The sky was clear. It was a
perfect morning.

31: At 3:09 they reached Hiroshima and
started the bomb run. The city was full of ?sun
The fliers could see the green grass in
the gardens. No fighters rose up to meet them.
There was no flak. No one in the city
bothered to take cover.

32: The bomb exploded within 100 feet of the
aiming point. The fireball was 18,000 feet
across. The temperature at the center of
the fireball was 100,000,000 degrees. The
people who were near the center became
nothing. The whole city was blown to bits and
the ruins all caught fire instantly
everywhere, burning briskly. 70,000 people
were killed right away or died within a few hours.
Those who did not die at once
suffered great pain. Few of them were soldiers.

33: The men in the plane perceived that the
raid had been successful, but they thought of
the people in the city and they were not
perfectly happy. Some felt they had
done wrong. But in any case they had obeyed
orders. "It was war."

34: Over the radio went the code message that
the bomb had been successful: "Visible
effects greater than Trinity . . . Proceeding to
Papacy." Papacy was the code name for Trinian.

35: It took a little while for the rest of Japan
to find out what had happened to Hiroshima.
Papers were forbidden to publish any
news of the new bomb. A four line item said
that Hiroshima had been hit by incendiary
bombs and added: "It seems that some damage
was caused to the city and its vicinity."

36: Then the military governor of the
Prefecture of Hiroshima issued a proclamation
full of martial spirit. To all the people
whithout hands, without feet, with their faces
falling off, with their intestines hanging
out, with their whole bodies full of radiation,
he declared: "We must not rest a single day in
our war effort . . . We must bear in mind
that the annihilation of the stubborn enemy is
our road to revenge." He was a
professional soldier.

37: On August 8th Molotov finally summoned the
Japanese Ambassador. At last neutral
Russia would give an answer to the Emperor's
inquiry. Molotov said coldly that the Soviet
Union was declaring war on Japan.

38: On August 9th another bomb was dropped
on Nagasaki, though Hiroshima was still burning.
On August 11th the Emperor
overruled his high command and accepted the
peace terms dictated at Postdam. Yet for three
days discussion continued, until on August
14th the surrender was made public and final.

39: Even the Soviet troops thought
they ought to fight in Manchuria "just a little
longer." They felt that even though they could
not, at this time, be of help in Japan, it
would be worth while if they displayed their
good will in Manchuria, or even in Korea.

40: As to the Original Child that was now born,
President Truman summed up the philosophy
of the situation in a few words. "We found
the bomb" he said "and we used it."

(1962)

  _____________

Ce poeme sur la decision et les evenements autour de la bomme atomique larguee
sur Hiroshima est d'un ton laconique.
Les evenements sont factuellement tous corrects, le sarcasme sous-jacent
questionne:
l'honnete des faits presentés par les autorites (avec beaucoup de litotes et/ou
de fausses raisons),
le detournement des textes religieux et/ou le jeu qui consiste a donner un alibi
et une dimension religieuse aux atrocites commises.
les buts : financiers, montrer son pouvoir, donner des lecons, ecraser les
"autres" sous des pretextes divers en utilisant/detournant la religion ou les
valeurs morales.

Le peu de cas fait de la vie des "autres". Cela changera t il jamais?
et tout le raisonnement qui se veut LOGIQUE et n'est en fin de compte la que
pour justifier ses actes (qu'ils soient atroces ou non). Le dadaisme etait ne de
ca justement. Chercher et creer le non-raisonnement pour eviter de se tromper
soi-meme (et surtout les autres) sur les bons sentiments, les bonnes actions, la
bonne nature de l'etre humain etc...

Par ailleurs le texte contient beaucoup de dates
6 Août bien sur mais aussi d'autres - donc bon texte pour le projet Almanach -

Quelqu'un connaît il une version francaise du texte?

Amitiés,
Rolland.







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#3554 From: "Rolland Pava clubs" <rpavarotti_clubs@...>
Date: Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:57 pm
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Oui Moreton a ecrit un recueil de meta-limericks c.a.d qui s'auto-referencent ou jouent sur des proprietes des limericks
soit sur le rythme
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Merci Domi.
 
Amities,
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A page on limericks http://www.kith.org/logos/words/lower/l.html
from Jed Harman ; I like that one :

There was a Soviet captain named XXXXXXXXXX
Who was a XXXXXXX technician in XXXXXXXXX.
He was XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
For failure to clear
Limericks with his superiors.

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A page on limericks http://www.kith.org/logos/words/lower/l.html
from Jed Harman ; I like that one :

There was a Soviet captain named XXXXXXXXXX
Who was a XXXXXXX technician in XXXXXXXXX.
He was XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
For failure to clear
Limericks with his superiors.

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#3552 From: "Rolland P" <rpavarotti@...>
Date: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:23 am
Subject: La captive (Orientales) de Victor Hugo - Francais and English versions
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La captive (dans les Orientales) - Victor Hugo
IX - (Juillet 1828)

       Si je n'étais captive,
       J'aimerais ce pays,
       Et cette mer plaintive,
       Et ces champs de maïs,
       Et ces astres sans nombre,
       Si le long du mur sombre
       N'étincelait dans l'ombre
       Le sabre des spahis.

       Je ne suis point tartare
       Pour qu'un eunuque noir
       M'accorde ma guitare,
       Me tienne mon miroir.
       Bien loin de ces Sodomes,
       Au pays dont nous sommes,
       Avec les jeunes hommes
       On peut parler le soir.

       [Pourtant j'aime une]1 rive
       Où jamais des hivers
       Le souffle froid n'arrive
       Par les vitraux ouverts.
       L'été, la pluie est chaude,
       L'insecte verte qui rôde
       Luit, vivant émeraude,
       Sous les brins d'herbe verts.

       Smyrne est une princesse
       Avec son beau chapel ;
       L'heureux printemps sans cesse
       Répond à son appel,
       Et, comme un riant groupe
       De fleurs dans une coupe,
       Dans ses mers se découpe
       Plus d'un frais archipel.

       J'aime ces tours vermeilles,
       Ces drapeaux triomphants,
       Ces maisons d'or, pareilles
       A des jouets d'enfants ;
       J'aime, pour mes pensées
       Plus mollement bercées,
       Ces tentes balancées
       Au dos des éléphants.

       Dans ce palais de fées,
       Mon coeur, plein de concerts,
       Croit, aux voix étouffées
       Qui viennent des déserts,
       Entendre les génies
       Mêler les harmonies
       Des chansons infinies
       Qu'ils chantent dans les airs!

       J'aime de ces contrées
       Les doux parfums brûlants,
       Sur les vitres dorées
       Les feuillages tremblants,
       L'eau que la source épanche
       Sous le palmier qui penche,
       Et la cigogne blanche
       Sur les minarets blancs.

       J'aime en un lit de mousses
       Dire un air espagnol,
       Quand mes compagnes douces,
       Du pied rasant le sol,
       Légion vagabonde
       Où le sourire abonde,
       Font tournoyer leur ronde
       Sous un rond parasol.

       Mais surtout, quand la brise
       Me touche en voltigeant,
       La nuit, j'aime être assise,
       Être assise en songeant,
       L'oeil sur la mer profonde,
       Tandis que, pâle et blonde,
       La lune ouvre dans l'onde
       Son éventail d'argent.



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  by Vicomte Victor Marie Hugo (1802-1885) , "La captive", from Les Orientales,
IX.

THE TURKISH CAPTIVE.

("Si je n'était captive.")

[IX., July, 1828.]

Oh! were I not a captive,
   I should love this fair countree;
Those fields with maize abounding,
   This ever-plaintive sea:
I'd love those stars unnumbered,
   If, passing in the shade,
Beneath our walls I saw not
   The spahi's sparkling blade.

I am no Tartar maiden
   That a blackamoor of price
Should tune my lute and hold to me
   My glass of sherbet-ice.
Far from these haunts of vices,
   In my dear countree, we
With sweethearts in the even
   May chat and wander free.

But still I love this climate,
   Where never wintry breeze
Invades, with chilly murmur,
   These open lattices;
Where rain is warm in summer,
   And the insect glossy green,
Most like a living emerald,
   Shines 'mid the leafy screen.

With her chapelles fair Smyrna--
   A gay princess is she!
Still, at her summons, round her
   Unfading spring ye see.
And, as in beauteous vases,
   Bright groups of flowers repose,
So, in her gulfs are lying
   Her archipelagoes.

I love these tall red turrets;
   These standards brave unrolled;
And, like an infant's playthings,
   These houses decked with gold.
I love forsooth these reveries,
   Though sandstorms make me pant,
Voluptuously swaying
   Upon an elephant.

Here in this fairy palace,
   Full of such melodies,
Methinks I hear deep murmurs
   That in the deserts rise;
Soft mingling with the music
   The Genii's voices pour,
Amid the air, unceasing,
   Around us evermore.

I love the burning odors
   This glowing region gives;
And, round each gilded lattice,
   The trembling, wreathing leaves;
And, 'neath the bending palm-tree,
   The gayly gushing spring;
And on the snow-white minaret,
   The stork with snowier wing.

I love on mossy couch to sing
   A Spanish roundelay,
And see my sweet companions
   Around commingling gay,--
A roving band, light-hearted,
   In frolicsome array,--
Who 'neath the screening parasols
   Dance down the merry day.
But more than all enchanting
   At night, it is to me,
To sit, where winds are sighing,
   Lone, musing by the sea;
And, on its surface gazing,
   To mark the moon so fair,
Her silver fan outspreading,
   In trembling radiance there.

W.D., _Tait's Edin. Magazine_

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#3551 From: "Rolland P" <rpavarotti@...>
Date: Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:28 pm
Subject: Mathematical limericks with the same rhymes
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This famous mathematical limerick by Leigh Mercer appeared in the February 1980
Word Ways:

     A dozen, a gross, and a score
    Plus three times the square root of four
    Divided by seven
    Plus five times eleven
    Is nine squared and not a bit more.

Using the same rhyme scheme, somebody proposed a new version:

    The sum of 2k-4
    From one to thirteen plus a score,
    Over eleven,
    Plus eighteen times seven,
    Equals six cubed and not a bit more.

Can you create one with the same rhymes or maybe with others?

Amitiés,
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Date: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:53 pm
Subject: Douglas C. Engelbart
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The very first mouse (in video) :

http://sloan.stanford.edu/MouseSite/1968Demo.html

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#3549 From: "Claire" <claire.grivet@...>
Date: Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:28 pm
Subject: Re: Something to smile about
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Hi,
I just found online the audio version of the poem below (sent to the list by
Maria in 2002)

http://international.ouc.bc.ca/pronunciation/poem01.html

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Pronunciation

I take it you already know
Of tough and bough and cough and dough?
Others may stumble, but not you
On hiccough, thorough, laugh and through.
Well done! And now you wish perhaps
To learn of less familiar traps.
Beware of heard, a dreadful word
That looks like beard and sounds like bird.
And dead. It's said like bed, not bead -
For goodness sake don't call it deed.
Watch out for meat and great and threat
(They rhyme with suite and straight and debt.)
A moth is not a moth in mother
Nor both in bother, broth in brother.
And here is not a match for there
Nor dear and fear for bear and pear.
And then there's does and rose and lose -
Just look them up - and goose and choose,
And cork and work and card and ward,
And font and front and word and sword
And do and go and thwart and cart -
And yet I've hardly made a start!

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#3548 From: john chan <johnxxx82uk@...>
Date: Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:46 am
Subject: Fwd: Hong Kong police murder Hong Kong people.
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Dear friends:

Help! the Hong Kong police using Brain Voice Read-Write Machine murder Hong Kong people, 100% true story, attacks the Hong Kong terrorist needs your power, please use the email, the group, the Message Board, icq and send 1 email the Hong Kong government, 1*10*100*1000....., thanks my dear friend.

Hong Kong police terrorist organization:

The devil machine made in England, the Hong Kong police using, now installs the  police communication network, 24 hours murders Hong Kong people, this murder is defeat, uncover the Hong Kong police terrorist organization.

By the 2001-1-1~2005-7-1 over 54 months, by the police terrorist heard knew:

1. Installs the small machine in the Hong Kong people the head  ----- installs is very easy, does not the sound trouble, the victim did not the feel.

2. Input - output the voice -----  in the mountain, the sewer, the elevator, input - output the voice is very clear, does not use the dry battery.

3. Murder the Hong Kong people ----- the terrorist is exceed 50 Hong Kong police, murder many Hong Kong people exceed 4 years.

Please forward E-mail to Hong Kong government : ceo@...

Hong Kong people twaaaaa 2005-7-11

English search engine: twaaaaa

Website: http://bigbrother.why.to

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#3547 From: "Domi Perez" <domi.perez-dp@...>
Date: Tue Jul 5, 2005 9:25 pm
Subject: SOL Y SOMBRA
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SOL Y SOMBRA

T'as de

l'ail
dans la poche
de l'oeil

et de

l'houille
dans le creux
lacrymal

Tu pleures noir et
là cries mal
aïe ! aïe ! aïe !

Tué
le fandango,
tu es
l'enfant dingo

l'enfant aux larmes
la pupille en cornée

Tu fus trop tôt héros
qui séduisis la reine
hier le
sol y sombra

Chapeau
sombre héros

aïe ! aïe ! aïoli !

(Juillet 2005.)
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Domi.
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