I invite all who have registered for my Baroque Workshop to attend the
Baroque surgery at 13.00 hrs on Saturday. There is far too much detail
to cover in 1½ hours. The two sessions, if we can manage it, will set
you well on the road.  There will be no extra charge for this but a
contribution towards Festival expenses would be appreciated.
MP

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy Carter

To: HurdyGurdyForum@...

Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:40 PM

Subject: Re: [HurdyGurdyForum] Re: Maintenance Questions

Hi Sylvain,

 

Its Patagonian apparently (Argentina).

 

 http://wwwconjuntolanguedoc.com.ar/instrumentos.html is in Spanish (I think) - you can translate the page by putting the url into http://babelfish.altavista.com !

 

Cheers

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: sylvain gagnon mini moteur 2000 inc

To: HurdyGurdyForum@yahoogroups.co.uk

Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:24 PM

Subject: Re: [HurdyGurdyForum] Re: Maintenance Questions

ok   thanks for this

 

 

This usually goes away once a very fine layer of
cotton is correctly applied to the chanterelles...good ideas ...

 

 

 my question       who made symphony   in usa ?  thanks  sylvain

----- Original Message -----

From: Neil Brook

To: HurdyGurdyForum@yahoogroups.co.uk

Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:27 PM

Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Re: Maintenance Questions

Hi Geoff
I'm not familiar with the Morillo symphonie and am sure it does what
it says on the tin. The symphonie is generally an easy instrument to
keep well set up due to the low power input/output so we'll soon
have it playing authentically mediaeval ;- )

--- In HurdyGurdyForum@yahoogroups.co.uk, Geoff Turner
<gyldageoff@...> wrote:
>
> Andrew,
>
> I also have a Morillo symphony, and do have buzzing noises
occasionally. This usually goes away once a very fine layer of
cotton is correctly applied to the chanterelles. The drones can have
quite a thick layer of cotton quite happily.
>
> It is also worth checking that the tangents are all tightly
pressed into the key shafts, as this can cause both buzzing and lid-
fouling. (Support the key shafts when doing this, as you would not
want to break one!)
>
> Neil's comment about pressing too hard on the strings does not
apply here, as this symphony does not have enough travel in the keys
to allow note-bending.
>
> See you in Neil's maintenance workshop, I am already registered on
it. I am not an expert in set-up, and I'm hoping to pick up some
tips from someone who knows.
>
> Neil will probably be fairly scathing about the Morillo, it does
not conform to his high standards; but stick with it, it is a very
useful entry point into the world of the HG, and is very authentic
for medieval playing. (Sorry Neil!)
> RegardsGeoff Turner Shropshire
> __________________________________________________________
> Get Hotmail on your mobile. Text MSN to 63463 now!
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----- Original Message -----

From: Neil Brook

To: HurdyGurdyForum@...

Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:27 PM

Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Re: Maintenance Questions

Hi Geoff
I'm not familiar with the Morillo symphonie and am sure it does what
it says on the tin. The symphonie is generally an easy instrument to
keep well set up due to the low power input/output so we'll soon
have it playing authentically mediaeval ;- )

--- In HurdyGurdyForum@yahoogroups.co.uk, Geoff Turner
<gyldageoff@...> wrote:
>
> Andrew,
>
> I also have a Morillo symphony, and do have buzzing noises
occasionally. This usually goes away once a very fine layer of
cotton is correctly applied to the chanterelles. The drones can have
quite a thick layer of cotton quite happily.
>
> It is also worth checking that the tangents are all tightly
pressed into the key shafts, as this can cause both buzzing and lid-
fouling. (Support the key shafts when doing this, as you would not
want to break one!)
>
> Neil's comment about pressing too hard on the strings does not
apply here, as this symphony does not have enough travel in the keys
to allow note-bending.
>
> See you in Neil's maintenance workshop, I am already registered on
it. I am not an expert in set-up, and I'm hoping to pick up some
tips from someone who knows.
>
> Neil will probably be fairly scathing about the Morillo, it does
not conform to his high standards; but stick with it, it is a very
useful entry point into the world of the HG, and is very authentic
for medieval playing. (Sorry Neil!)
> RegardsGeoff Turner Shropshire
> __________________________________________________________
> Get Hotmail on your mobile. Text MSN to 63463 now!
> http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx
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Gurdy Of Limited Use Musically

  seemed a kinder acronym  but yours is close enough. In fairness, it
is quite often not the gurdies fault and like getting well behaved
dogs, it's the owner that needs training first.

  --- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., "Geoff Turner"
<gyldageoff@...> wrote:
>
> Gurdylike Object Largely Un-Musical?
>
> Geoff
>
> --- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., "Andy Carter"
> <AndyCarter@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for that Neil, look forward to seeing you there.
> >
> > GOLUM I like! How about :-
> >
> > Gurdy Or Lute-like Undesirable. Monstrous!
> >
> > Generally Or Likewise Useless Musical-instrument (bit of a cheat
> there)
> >
> > Gurdy Ornament. Little Usefulness. Miserable.
> >
> > Am I close?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Andy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Neil Brook
> > To: HurdyGurdyForum@...
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:29 PM
> > Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Re: Maintenance Questions
> >
> >
> > Hi Andy
> >
> > It sounds an ideal candidate, there are quite a few causes of
rogue
> > notes but most seem to be attributed to body resonance which is
not
> > usually a problem with symphony.
> >
> > As ever, the problem will probably
> > go away once it is set up correctly ( no offence EMS!)
> >
> > If a string is touching the other tangent row the easiest thing
to
> > do is not push so hard! More than 5mm of push once the tangent
> > touches the
> > string is only useful for playing the blues really!
> >
> > By the way,I think HGLO is too unweildy as an acronym. Any
advance
> > on
> >
> > GOLUM ?
> >
> > I'll give my definition in a few days and will be interested to
> read
> > what others interpret it as
> >
>

Hi Geoff
I'm not familiar with the Morillo symphonie and am sure it does what
it says on the tin. The symphonie is generally an easy instrument to
keep well set up due to the low power input/output so we'll soon
have it playing authentically  mediaeval  ;- )

--- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., Geoff Turner
<gyldageoff@...> wrote:
>
> Andrew,
>
> I also have a Morillo symphony, and do have buzzing noises
occasionally. This usually goes away once a very fine layer of
cotton is correctly applied to the chanterelles. The drones can have
quite a thick layer of cotton quite happily.
>
> It is also worth checking that the tangents are all tightly
pressed into the key shafts, as this can cause both buzzing and lid-
fouling. (Support the key shafts when doing this, as you would not
want to break one!)
>
> Neil's comment about pressing too hard on the strings does not
apply here, as this symphony does not have enough travel in the keys
to allow note-bending.
>
> See you in Neil's maintenance workshop, I am already registered on
it. I am not an expert in set-up, and I'm hoping to pick up some
tips from someone who knows.
>
> Neil will probably be fairly scathing about the Morillo, it does
not conform to his high standards; but stick with it, it is a very
useful entry point into the world of the HG, and is very authentic
for medieval playing. (Sorry Neil!)
> RegardsGeoff Turner Shropshire
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get Hotmail on your mobile. Text MSN to 63463 now!
> http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx
>

Hi Augusto,

Steve is going to revisit that tune this year, so it is apparently in
his festival preparation folder. I hope you can find it, please get
back if you can't.

Cecilia

--- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., "Augusto de Ornellas Abreu"
<augusto.ornellas@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Cecilia
>
> Do you by any chance have an MP3 file of the Cantiga de Santa Maria
5, the
> tune from last year's workshop? I'd be interested in that if
possible - I
> love all Cantigas de Santa Maria, and I'd love to hear this or a similar
> arrangement for the gurdy.
>
> Thanks
>
> Augusto
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Cecilia Patko <cecilia@...>
> wrote:
>
> >   Dear All,
> >
> > Steve Tyler's Mediaeval workshop material is now online, although not
> > full and might be amended, we have to double check for certain notes.
> > Steve will also revisit some files from last year. The detailed
> > workshop info on his workshops can be found in the Workshop info
> > folder. I am going to copy there all the other similar files that went
> > into other folders, especially Mike Eaton's, so you can find these in
> > that separate folder as spreadsheets.
> >
> > Cecilia
> >
> >
> >
>

         

Dear Forum members,

First, an update on our funding situation. I am sorry to have to tell you that the last piece of funding we have been expecting was refused. We still go ahead as if nothing happened, hoping that ticket sales will help us out, we do have an emergency budget. In the meantime we try to get some more money, but there is not much hope now, so your support - both by coming and bringing more people as well as extra contributions of any form - will be invaluable.

We are going to hold an AGM at the festival,  most likely at the Gregson Centre before Saturday's evening concert and dance starts. It will be a short and fast one because the programme is really packed.  I guess you would rather play in a session or listen to a concert than do official duties for hours. So please come prepared! There is a folder now in the Festival folder called AGM, where you can find an agenda, several documents that we need to present to you and have accepted or adopted by you. Please read these, because we need to have several rounds of voting done, and we don't want to spend time reading out stuff that you can read in advance.

We will have to vote for the committee, the names of the present committee members appear on the bottom of the Constitution. At the moment I don't know about any of us stepping down, but you will have to vote anyway and ideally we should have three more members. Please come forward if you feel you could help our work, also you have the right to nominate members for the committee. Your nominations must arrive before 12th April, please write an email to festival@gurdy.co.uk, but if you nominate somebody else, please ask their agreement before doing so.

We are also going to propose another meeting later on this year, to spend generous and relaxed time together discussing the festival's future, such as location, format, funding issues; we want to keep this AGM really short. If you have any ideas, other questions or comments please drop us a line.

Happy preparations,

Cecilia (Secretary) and Paul  (Treasurer)

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Graham Whyte

To: HurdyGurdyForum@...

Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:35 AM

Subject: RE: [HurdyGurdyForum] MP3 file

Michael,

If you mean the sound samples on
http://www.hurdygurdy.com/faq.htm

All three play just fine for me in WMP, I just tried it

What version of Windows Media Player have you got ?
I am using Version 11

Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: HurdyGurdyForum@yahoogroups.co.uk
[mailto:HurdyGurdyForum@yahoogroups.co.uk]On Behalf Of Michael Muskett
Sent: 24 March 2008 10:05
To: HurdyGurdyForum@yahoogroups.co.uk
Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] MP3 file

I've just tried to hear an MP3 file on the Olympic insts site -
baroque music. I get a bar but no sound. What is the solution?
MPM

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Hello to the gurdy playing world.

This is my introduction to the Forum members.

I have been playing the Vielle since about 1980 and am still trying to be a better player even at a late stage in life.

It's a long story so I'll keep it brief.

For many years - 1970's and 80's I played with St Georges Canzona discovering the hurdy gurdy through medieval music.  

I actually first came face to face with one in central France. 

It was in the window of a house, presented rather like an icon with drapes.  So I knocked on the door and spent the next several hours listening to the story 

of the vielle a roue and the next day at a wedding where the music in church was played on something like 12 vielles in consort!!

So many years later, via St Georges Canzona, New London Consort, a baroque chamber group, Noise of Minstrels, Noise Band, electronic composition and the London Symphony Orchestra playing for the Abel Gance film of Napoleon, meeting wonderful players and nice people, and several recent years in the musical wilderness due to life changes 

and the need to earn some money I am about to pick up the threads, pick up the instrument again, try to make my fingers work and play music again, hopefully with other people.

I also have an instrument which I want to sell because I have a new one on order and live in a very small flat.

It is a fine lute back hurdy gurdy in the French style made by Sam Palmer.

It has the normal Bourbonnais set up: trompette, mouche, 2 chanterelle, bourdon and grand bourdon, and sympathetic strings. 

Chris Eaton fitted a new wheel and adjusted the tangents but otherwise he reckoned it a very good instrument. 

It is mechanically perfect, full toned, very resonant, quite loud with a brilliant and responsive trompette sound. It has a fibreglass case. 

Anyone interested should email ray@field. enta. net and I will send photos, any further information and discuss a price. 

I also have a medieval model by Sam, [I hope he reads this] but I'm not letting go of that - it's very special!

I'd also like to know how the sister instrument to this is faring - it's out there somewhere?

hope to hear from people.

Ray

Gurdylike Object Largely Un-Musical?

Geoff

--- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., "Andy Carter"
<AndyCarter@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for that Neil, look forward to seeing you there.
>
> GOLUM I like! How about :-
>
> Gurdy Or Lute-like Undesirable. Monstrous!
>
> Generally Or Likewise Useless Musical-instrument (bit of a cheat
there)
>
> Gurdy Ornament. Little Usefulness. Miserable.
>
> Am I close?
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Neil Brook
> To: HurdyGurdyForum@...
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:29 PM
> Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Re: Maintenance Questions
>
>
> Hi Andy
>
> It sounds an ideal candidate, there are quite a few causes of rogue
> notes but most seem to be attributed to body resonance which is not
> usually a problem with symphony.
>
> As ever, the problem will probably
> go away once it is set up correctly ( no offence EMS!)
>
> If a string is touching the other tangent row the easiest thing to
> do is not push so hard! More than 5mm of push once the tangent
> touches the
> string is only useful for playing the blues really!
>
> By the way,I think HGLO is too unweildy as an acronym. Any advance
> on
>
> GOLUM ?
>
> I'll give my definition in a few days and will be interested to
read
> what others interpret it as
>

Hi Andy

It sounds an ideal candidate, there are quite a few causes of rogue
notes but most seem to be attributed to body resonance which is not
usually a problem with symphony.

As ever, the problem will probably
go away once it is set up correctly ( no offence EMS!)

If a string is touching the other tangent row the easiest thing to
do is not push so hard! More than 5mm of push once the tangent
touches the
string is only useful for playing the blues really!

By the way,I think HGLO is too unweildy as an acronym. Any advance
on

                               GOLUM ?

I'll give my definition in a few days and will be interested to read
what others interpret it as

Hallo All,

I'm bringing my Morillo Symphony to Lancaster, and hope it can be
checked over in Neil Brook's maintenance workshop (Neil, I hope a
symphony doesn't fall foul of your "No HGLO's" rule!).
It was set up by the Early Music Shop when I bought it, but I've
played it quite a bit since then. In the meantime I thought I'd ask
here.

It seems that one or two of the keys cause an awful raspy vibration
sound. It puzzles me that it doesn't happen across all keys. Its
tuned up with a clip on tuner so without any keys pressed I believe
its in tune. The buzzy noise sounds more like say a loose screw on
the inside which is making a noise at a particluar frequency. (I
haven't a screw loose, I've checked ;-) Could it be something to do
with the cotton? No matter how much I read / look at pictures,
getting the cotton right does seem to be a bit of a black art (hence
wanting to talk to an expert at the fest).

The other thing I've noticed with the instrument is that the lid
doesn't quite sit flat when closed, and fouls one of the (less used)
tangents if I press on it with my left hand. Presumably this can be
fixed by shaving the top of the tangent a little?

Also, is it normal for one string to touch the back of the other row
of tangents if a key is fully pushed in, or is more shaving required?

Cheers
Andy

Dear All,

Neil Brook's workshop info is now complete, there was a small
amendment of Steve Tyler's Verbum patris sheet music, and watch this
space for possible changes in that same folder.

Cecilia

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 24 March 2008 21:12
To: HurdyGurdyForum@...
Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] strewth

now, how am I going to explain this away...

my kiwi relis and mates will raise their eyebrows if they hear I'm going to an English tunes workshop at the H-G festival

but if they happen to hear I am not expected to play a pommie tune,  but ( wait for it -  byjeez)             waltzing matilda           they may never speak to me again...........

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From: Marsbar

To: HurdyGurdyForum@...

Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 8:33 PM

Subject: RE: [HurdyGurdyForum] Lancaster Festival Tickets

What part of Australia Jane?

Fi in QLD

From: HurdyGurdyForum@yahoogroups.co.uk [mailto:HurdyGurdyForum@yahoogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of secretary
Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2008 7:32 PM
To: HurdyGurdyForum@yahoogroups.co.uk
Subject: Re: [HurdyGurdyForum] Lancaster Festival Tickets

Hi Paul,

Thanks for that.  Wouldn't expect anything in the post in under a week (Australia is a long way away).

Will look forward to the email.

Thanks again.

Jane

As you have probably seen on the festival programme, I am going to do a
workshop on English tunes on the Saturday afternoon. At the moment it is
listed as being Intermediate, but I would rather make it
beginners/intermediate. I'm probably not going to post music in advance,
as I'd rather people weren't tied to dots on a page. I have a couple of
tunes in mind, and am also thinking of including a song or two, and
looking at ways of accompanying (English) songs on gurdy, and other
drone instruments. I'm going to try and come up with something that fits
on both tunings (I play GC), and maybe introduce some harmony lines.

Sorry I've been a bit of a lurker recently - life is a bit busy!

Looking forward to seeing lots of you at the festival.

Cheers
Ruthie

Dear All,

Steve Tyler's Mediaeval workshop material is now online, although not
full and might be amended, we have to double check for certain notes.
Steve will also revisit some files from last year. The detailed
workshop info on his workshops can be found in the Workshop info
folder. I am going to copy there all the other similar files that went
into other folders, especially Mike Eaton's, so you can find these in
that separate folder as spreadsheets.

Cecilia

To view the WMP version
Right click the little round icon at the extreme top left hand corner of the
WMP window
Move your mouse over "Help"
Left click "About Windows Media Player" to display the version

My Temperament paper can be found on Chris Allen's site at
http://www.hurdygurdy.org/resources.html

Its the 4th item down

Graham
PS Is the baroque piece on Alden's site by Boismortier ?
I seem to remember playing it with Marcello Bono many years ago

-----Original Message-----
From: HurdyGurdyForum@...
[mailto:HurdyGurdyForum@...]On Behalf Of Michael Muskett
Sent: 24 March 2008 17:26
To: HurdyGurdyForum@...
Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Re: MP3 file


--- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., "Graham Whyte" <graham@...>
wrote:
>
Thanks, Graham.

I pushed a few more keys ans it worked well the 2nd time. The 1st time
was a chaotic mess.  Can't see what v of Media Player I ahev.

Would you care to post a link to your paper on temperament?

> Michael,
>
> If you mean the sound samples on
> http://www.hurdygurdy.com/faq.htm
>
> All three play just fine for me in WMP, I just tried it
>
> What version of Windows Media Player have you got ?
> I am using Version 11
>
>
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HurdyGurdyForum@...
> [mailto:HurdyGurdyForum@...]On Behalf Of Michael Muskett
> Sent: 24 March 2008 10:05
> To: HurdyGurdyForum@...
> Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] MP3 file
>
>
> I've just tried to hear an MP3 file on the Olympic insts site -
> baroque music. I get a bar but no sound. What is the solution?
> MPM
>
>
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--- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., "Graham Whyte" <graham@...>
wrote:
>
Thanks, Graham.

I pushed a few more keys ans it worked well the 2nd time. The 1st time
was a chaotic mess.  Can't see what v of Media Player I ahev.

Would you care to post a link to your paper on temperament?

> Michael,
>
> If you mean the sound samples on
> http://www.hurdygurdy.com/faq.htm
>
> All three play just fine for me in WMP, I just tried it
>
> What version of Windows Media Player have you got ?
> I am using Version 11
>
>
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HurdyGurdyForum@...
> [mailto:HurdyGurdyForum@...]On Behalf Of Michael Muskett
> Sent: 24 March 2008 10:05
> To: HurdyGurdyForum@...
> Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] MP3 file
>
>
> I've just tried to hear an MP3 file on the Olympic insts site -
> baroque music. I get a bar but no sound. What is the solution?
> MPM
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Michael,

If you mean the sound samples on
http://www.hurdygurdy.com/faq.htm

All three play just fine for me in WMP, I just tried it

What version of Windows Media Player have you got ?
I am using Version 11


Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: HurdyGurdyForum@...
[mailto:HurdyGurdyForum@...]On Behalf Of Michael Muskett
Sent: 24 March 2008 10:05
To: HurdyGurdyForum@...
Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] MP3 file


I've just tried to hear an MP3 file on the Olympic insts site -
baroque music. I get a bar but no sound. What is the solution?
MPM


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