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#385 From: "Greg Fisher" <drumandwhistle@...>
Date: Thu Oct 5, 2006 6:35 pm
Subject: Billy Horne HG? 		drumandwhistle
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Hello,

I'm new to this forum(and the hurdy-gurdy). I've wanted a HG for a long
time. While doing some Google-type research I was excited to discover a
HG maker in Finland named Billy Horne. www.billyhorne.com. I live in
the US but I'll be in Finland this February on business(walking
distance from his shop!) I was thinking of calling it fate and
purchasing one. At the very least I'll try to visit his shop. Has
anyone heard of this maker?

Thanks,
Greg

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#386 From: scott marshall <the.maud@...>
Date: Fri Oct 6, 2006 10:43 am
Subject: Re: Billy Horne HG? 		the.maud
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Greg, haven't heard of him, they look a bit idiosyncratic! Check out some British makers...I know Neil Brook send his instruments to the States on a regular basis.
There are links from our links page to lots of makers.
best wishes, and greetings from the UK
Scott


Greg Fisher <drumandwhistle@...> wrote:
Hello,

I'm new to this forum(and the hurdy-gurdy). I've wanted a HG for a long
time. While doing some Google-type research I was excited to discover a
HG maker in Finland named Billy Horne. www.billyhorne.com. I live in
the US but I'll be in Finland this February on business(walking
distance from his shop!) I was thinking of calling it fate and
purchasing one. At the very least I'll try to visit his shop. Has
anyone heard of this maker?

Thanks,
Greg







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#387 From: Eaton Mike <mike.eaton@...>
Date: Fri Oct 6, 2006 10:56 am
Subject: RE: Billy Horne HG? 		mike_from_so...
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Greg -
 
This chap subscribes to Alden and Callie Hackman's listing (see www.hurdygurdy.com).  You might join them and ask the folk on that listing - I've seen a few scandinavians contribute.  One Fin that comes to mind is Esa Mäkinen [email ottilia@...]
 
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: scott marshall [mailto:the.maud@...]
Sent: 06 October 2006 11:44
To: HurdyGurdyForum@...
Subject: Re: [HurdyGurdyForum] Billy Horne HG?

Greg, haven't heard of him, they look a bit idiosyncratic! Check out some British makers...I know Neil Brook send his instruments to the States on a regular basis.
There are links from our links page to lots of makers.
best wishes, and greetings from the UK
Scott


Greg Fisher <drumandwhistle@...> wrote:
Hello,

I'm new to this forum(and the hurdy-gurdy). I've wanted a HG for a long
time. While doing some Google-type research I was excited to discover a
HG maker in Finland named Billy Horne. www.billyhorne.com. I live in
the US but I'll be in Finland this February on business(walking
distance from his shop!) I was thinking of calling it fate and
purchasing one. At the very least I'll try to visit his shop. Has
anyone heard of this maker?

Thanks,
Greg







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#388 From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
Date: Fri Oct 6, 2006 11:20 am
Subject: New look photos page 		the.maud
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Have been meaning to do this for ages, there are now 'Brit Makers
Showcases' for Neil,Mike,Chris,Chris and Claire....will add more pics
as they arrive!
ps Mike can we have a nice pic of you? Plus anyone have a pic of Chris
Eaton?

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#389 From: "Michael Muskett" <michaelpmuskett@...>
Date: Fri Oct 6, 2006 5:35 pm
Subject: Billy Horne 		michaelmuskett
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Greg,
Billy Horne has been making HG's for some years but I haven't seen his
instruments. If you  are close by I am sure he would be pleased if you
called in. Try so see and handle a HG before you go.
Michael

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#390 From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
Date: Sat Oct 7, 2006 4:49 pm
Subject: Brook compact luteback for sale 		the.maud
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There is a Neil Brook compact luteback HG for sale. Charles is
thinning his collection! Its a lovely instrument currently tuned to D
with built in pickups and all the usual Brook refinements. Its also a
bit gorgeous, it used to be mine! Have a look in the Gurdys for sale
section of the Photos page. Contact me or Charles for details.

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#391 From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
Date: Sat Oct 7, 2006 4:50 pm
Subject: Scottish Maker 		the.maud
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I keep hearing about a maker in Scotland, anyone know who this is?

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#392 From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
Date: Sat Oct 7, 2006 4:52 pm
Subject: Festival Update 		the.maud
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Getting on with Funding applications with the city council. Have
someone on my side helping me fill in the forms. Having flyers printed
next week. Its all coming on nicely, getting lots of help :-)
best wishes
Scott

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#393 From: "Graham Whyte" <graham@...>
Date: Sat Oct 7, 2006 5:41 pm
Subject: Re: Festival Update 		colsonamirec...
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Copy for web page ?

Graham (back from OTW)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
To: <HurdyGurdyForum@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 5:52 PM
Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Festival Update


> Getting on with Funding applications with the city council. Have
> someone on my side helping me fill in the forms. Having flyers printed
> next week. Its all coming on nicely, getting lots of help :-)
> best wishes
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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#394 From: "john276373" <johnmcivor@...>
Date: Sun Oct 8, 2006 6:04 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 82 		john276373
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Hi Cecilia,

I'm down in Leicester (about 45 mins or so from Derby when the
traffic's good!) and am also learning to play gurdy. I'm learning
from whatever music I come across so don't really mind playing most
things. I don't know much (er, perhaps that should be anything) about
Hungarian gurdy music so I would be very interested in trying some -
You idea sounds good, so let me know if you're interested in a few of
us getting together sometime (though not for the next couple of weeks
as I'm on hols).

All the best.

John

--- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., Cecilia Patko
<ceciliapatko@b...> wrote:
>
> I live in Derby, and I am fairly new to HG, I play a Hungarian HG.
I am
> reasonably OK with Hungarian music, but rubbish at French, did some
early
> music and want to play whatever you can play on a HG.
> If there are quite a few beginners, why don't we just meet up let's
say once
> a month and play, exchange ideas, teach each other what we know - I
am
> completely isolated learning on my own here. Well I see some
players at
> Ockbrook dances, but hardly dare to join in, not to mention being
taught by
> them - they are so much better!
>
> I'd be happy to hop on the train or drive there or you can come
here or meet
> halfway in a pub - whatever.
>
> Cecilia
>
>
> On 3/10/06 14:52, "HurdyGurdyForum@..."
> <HurdyGurdyForum@...> wrote:
>
> > Yes I think there is a player in Leicester on the Forum, Plans
from Michael
> > sound a good idea, Symphony would be a good move if you have
little time, you
> > could fit a trompette too and make it chromatic see Chris Allens
site or Neil
> > Brooks site...click the links from our links page for ideas :-)
> >
> >   If you want some detailed photographs of my symphony just let
me know, its
> > just a 3 string diatonic mediaeval style one with no trompette.
They are very
> > quiet, but you can fit a pick-up!!
> >   best wishes
> >   Scott
>

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#395 From: JULIE BARKER <drohne@...>
Date: Sun Oct 8, 2006 7:52 pm
Subject: Re: Festival Update 		julie909295
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When chasing funding applications play down the dance content. Funding bodies are impressed if you are putting on an arty-farty event that involves small audiences watching dancers prancing about. You could shoot yourself in the foot if you make too much of large numbers of men and women flirting on a dancefloor in a very French way. Trying to get funding for social dance is like trying to get funding for a disco. I suggest you focus on the hurdy-gurdy and the fact that this is a radically individual event. French dance events are happening up and down the country, hurdy-gurdy festivals are not.
Good luck
Philip

Graham Whyte <graham@...> wrote:
Copy for web page ?

Graham (back from OTW)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
To: <HurdyGurdyForum@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 5:52 PM
Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Festival Update


> Getting on with Funding applications with the city council. Have
> someone on my side helping me fill in the forms. Having flyers printed
> next week. Its all coming on nicely, getting lots of help :-)
> best wishes
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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#396 From: "Lloyd, Bronwyn \(DEH\)" <lloyd.bronwyn@...>
Date: Sun Oct 8, 2006 11:06 pm
Subject: Re: Tim Guster 		bronnyau2001
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That's him - but knock off the "hurdy" bit if you want to see his other
instruments - he also makes harps, lutes and guitars. Very talented fellow,
plays great gurdy and is a nice person too!
Bronny


> Message: 6
>    Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:02:19 +0100
>    From: "Graham Whyte" <graham@...>
> Subject: Tim Guster
>
> Try
>
> http://www.timguster.com.au/hurdy.html
>
> Graham
>

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#397 From: "Lloyd, Bronwyn \(DEH\)" <lloyd.bronwyn@...>
Date: Sun Oct 8, 2006 11:14 pm
Subject: My Guster Gurdy 		bronnyau2001
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Just noticed that Tim has a picture of my gurdy on his website.
http://www.timguster.com.au/images/hurdy_gurdy_pics/w.html It's minimally
decorated (no carved head etc.) as he says in the blurb - 'cos it's the
"student" version - relatively cheap, but wonderful (I've only been playing for
two years so wanted to start with something basic). It was custom made for me -
I'm a vegan and don't use any animal products at all, so that was a challenge
for him! It's a great instrument and stays in tune like you wouldn't believe.
Since these pics were taken he has put a gadget on to quickly change key between
G and D.
Bronny

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#398 From: "gurdymaker" <hurdygurdy@...>
Date: Sun Oct 8, 2006 11:51 pm
Subject: Re: symphony and others 		gurdymaker
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--- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., "Michael Muskett"
<michaelpmuskett@b...> wrote:
>
> Jake,
> Yes, it's a good plan to start with a simple model to get the feel
for
> it.  I sell plans for a number of models including a symphony.  I
also
> sell a Method which gives answers to your questions.
> A lute-back hurdy-gurdy will take at least 200 hours to make and
the
> guitar form much the same.
> Setting up a new instrument can be quite trying, so you need to
have
> contact with someone who can help you. When you have a full
instrument
> you will need someone to teach you the right hand technique (the
> trompette)at least. Though an experienced craftsman can make a
passable
> hurdy-gurdy (or even a good one)it is not possible to learn to
play an
> instrument effectively, nor the art of making music, from a book
alone.
> In 30 years I have not heard of anyone who has mastered the
trompette
> without guidance.
> Do not try to make a h-g from an old lute or guitar, since the
bodies
> are not sturdy enough.
> Michael



As a matter of interest, it was around 30 years ago I bought my
first set of plans from Michael. I can recommend them as an accurate
representation of historic instruments and should be studied as
such. My first attempt went through the bandsaw in despair. It's
easy to build one that looks right - then the fun really starts.

Incidentally,a useful string source is

http://www.susato.com/strings.htm#Hurdy-Gurdy%20Strings%20for%
20Medieval%20H.%20G.

They have a detailed  section for various HG tunings and their
prices are good even after US postage.
>

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#399 From: scott marshall <the.maud@...>
Date: Mon Oct 9, 2006 8:11 am
Subject: Re: Festival Update 		the.maud
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Thanks Phil, yes their first question was about the art content!

JULIE BARKER <drohne@...> wrote:
When chasing funding applications play down the dance content. Funding bodies are impressed if you are putting on an arty-farty event that involves small audiences watching dancers prancing about. You could shoot yourself in the foot if you make too much of large numbers of men and women flirting on a dancefloor in a very French way. Trying to get funding for social dance is like trying to get funding for a disco. I suggest you focus on the hurdy-gurdy and the fact that this is a radically individual event. French dance events are happening up and down the country, hurdy-gurdy festivals are not.
Good luck
Philip

Graham Whyte <graham@...> wrote:
Copy for web page ?

Graham (back from OTW)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
To: <HurdyGurdyForum@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 5:52 PM
Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Festival Update


> Getting on with Funding applications with the city council. Have
> someone on my side helping me fill in the forms. Having flyers printed
> next week. Its all coming on nicely, getting lots of help :-)
> best wishes
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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#400 From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:00 pm
Subject: Buying a gurdy.....Arts Council Loan 		the.maud
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http://www.artscouncil.org.uk/takeitaway/index.html

interest free loans £100-£2000 but very limited participation from
shops at the moment (Hobgoblin, London, are one). Perhaps our
gurdymakers could sign up somehow? Seems a fantastic scheme,
especially for those of us that earn £5.40 an hour!!

best wishes
Scott

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#401 From: "Giles Brown" <giles@...>
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:41 pm
Subject: OT: How do they know? 		selignworb
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Browsing the gurdy forum, I went to this page:

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/HurdyGurdyForum/members?group=bounce

It made me wonder how yahoo find know this

Best do a test...
I've started bouncing...
(damn its hard to type) ...
quick hit the page refresh ....
Nah. They're just making it up.

Sorry for waisting your bandwidth ;)

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#402 From: "Steve Spencer-Jowett" <stevesj@...>
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:26 pm
Subject: Slightly OT - Only for ABC users 		stevespencer...
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Hi All,
 
This is slightly off topic but you may be interested in a new ABC tool I've just made available ... it's free so I'm not touting for business !!!   In its simplest form you copy and paste ABC into a web page and play/print the music.   There's also a much fuller function version which you can download.   At the risk of boring you I won't go on at length ... take a look if you think it might be useful.
 
You can find it here   http://abcj.ganderband.com
 
Aaah well, back to refreshing my memory on some tunes I'm going to need this weekend and haven't played for ages :-(
 
    Steve
 
 Steve Spencer-Jowett
 

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#403 From: "Colin Hill" <c.hl@...>
Date: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:44 pm
Subject: Re: totally OT: How do they know? 		hillneerg
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Yes (boing), I looked at (boing) that page and (boing), no question (boing)
it's incorrect (boing).
Ooh, my bum hurts now. Thanks a load! Funny though.
Maybe only males viewing or is that too sexist?
Sorry if it is and profuse apologies.
Colin Hill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Giles Brown" <giles@...>
To: <HurdyGurdyForum@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 7:41 PM
Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] OT: How do they know?


Browsing the gurdy forum, I went to this page:

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/HurdyGurdyForum/members?group=bounce

It made me wonder how yahoo find know this

Best do a test...
I've started bouncing...
(damn its hard to type) ...
quick hit the page refresh ....
Nah. They're just making it up.

Sorry for waisting your bandwidth ;)

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#404 From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:16 pm
Subject: Gurdy Loans 		the.maud
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I emailed the Arts Council about the take it away scheme heres what
they said about getting a loan to buy a hurdy gurdy from a maker:


"Thank you for your enquiry.

Unfortunately during the pilot of out Take it away scheme you would
not be able to get a loan to buy the instrument from a maker.

I have been advised that you could contact a participating store and
ask them to buy the instrument from the maker, and then get a loan.

Should you wish to discuss this matter further, please contact Uschi
Gatward - who works in our South East regional office on 01273
763014."

It seems such a good scheme, I wonder if some link with Hobgoblin
could be made? I will investigate further.

best wishes
Scott

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#405 From: JULIE BARKER <drohne@...>
Date: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:24 pm
Subject: Re: Gurdy Loans 		julie909295
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Hobgoblin like a high profit margin so the extra cost would probably cancel-out the advantage of an interest-free loan. Also Hobgoblin are not popular with makers due to the length of time it takes for them to pay up.

Scott Marshall <the.maud@...> wrote:
I emailed the Arts Council about the take it away scheme heres what
they said about getting a loan to buy a hurdy gurdy from a maker:


"Thank you for your enquiry.

Unfortunately during the pilot of out Take it away scheme you would
not be able to get a loan to buy the instrument from a maker.

I have been advised that you could contact a participating store and
ask them to buy the instrument from the maker, and then get a loan.

Should you wish to discuss this matter further, please contact Uschi
Gatward - who works in our South East regional office on 01273
763014."

It seems such a good scheme, I wonder if some link with Hobgoblin
could be made? I will investigate further.

best wishes
Scott





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#406 From: scott marshall <the.maud@...>
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:29 am
Subject: Re: Gurdy Loans 		the.maud
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Yes, I did think about that, but thought there might be a way around it. Ken at Hobgoblin/Johnny Roadhouse Manchester seemed very friendly and is mega keen to have gurdy's in stock.
 
 The Arts council loan is just a pilot scheme at the moment, I will talk to them about dealing direct with makers in the future/ as the project widens. They have a similar scheme for buying artwork, which is helping starving painters/sculpters fund there habits, so why not gurdy makers!
 
Is there a case for the Hurdy-gurdy being considered as a piece of conceptual modern installation artwork?
 
Scott.
 
PS if anyone wants to buy a pile of bricks from my backyard, they are an eyecatching postmodernist statement and have won critical acclaim from several spiders. Loans are available.
 
 


JULIE BARKER <drohne@...> wrote:
Hobgoblin like a high profit margin so the extra cost would probably cancel-out the advantage of an interest-free loan. Also Hobgoblin are not popular with makers due to the length of time it takes for them to pay up.

Scott Marshall <the.maud@...> wrote:
I emailed the Arts Council about the take it away scheme heres what
they said about getting a loan to buy a hurdy gurdy from a maker:


"Thank you for your enquiry.

Unfortunately during the pilot of out Take it away scheme you would
not be able to get a loan to buy the instrument from a maker.

I have been advised that you could contact a participating store and
ask them to buy the instrument from the maker, and then get a loan.

Should you wish to discuss this matter further, please contact Uschi
Gatward - who works in our South East regional office on 01273
763014."

It seems such a good scheme, I wonder if some link with Hobgoblin
could be made? I will investigate further.

best wishes
Scott





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#407 From: "gurdymaker" <hurdygurdy@...>
Date: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:39 pm
Subject: Re: Gurdy Loans 		gurdymaker
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Given that the price of gurdies is pretty much the same from maker
to maker, any shop taking them as stock would only be able to charge
the going rate. This means the maker would only get around half of
that price. Thus the maker is forced to work more quickly and
quality is going to go down.

Neil
--- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., scott marshall
<the.maud@y...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I did think about that, but thought there might be a way
around it. Ken at Hobgoblin/Johnny Roadhouse Manchester seemed very
friendly and is mega keen to have gurdy's in stock.
>
>    The Arts council loan is just a pilot scheme at the moment, I
will talk to them about dealing direct with makers in the future/ as
the project widens. They have a similar scheme for buying artwork,
which is helping starving painters/sculpters fund there habits, so
why not gurdy makers!
>
>   Is there a case for the Hurdy-gurdy being considered as a piece
of conceptual modern installation artwork?
>
>   Scott.
>
>   PS if anyone wants to buy a pile of bricks from my backyard,
they are an eyecatching postmodernist statement and have won
critical acclaim from several spiders. Loans are available.
>
>
>
>
> JULIE BARKER <drohne@b...> wrote:
>   Hobgoblin like a high profit margin so the extra cost would
probably cancel-out the advantage of an interest-free loan. Also
Hobgoblin are not popular with makers due to the length of time it
takes for them to pay up.
>
> Scott Marshall <the.maud@y...> wrote:   I emailed the Arts Council
about the take it away scheme heres what
> they said about getting a loan to buy a hurdy gurdy from a maker:
>
>
> "Thank you for your enquiry.
>
> Unfortunately during the pilot of out Take it away scheme you
would
> not be able to get a loan to buy the instrument from a maker.
>
> I have been advised that you could contact a participating store
and
> ask them to buy the instrument from the maker, and then get a loan.
>
> Should you wish to discuss this matter further, please contact
Uschi
> Gatward - who works in our South East regional office on 01273
> 763014."
>
> It seems such a good scheme, I wonder if some link with Hobgoblin
> could be made? I will investigate further.
>
> best wishes
> Scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#408 From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:36 am
Subject: Re: Gurdy Loans/ Neil on HG! 		the.maud
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There has to be some way around this, I will call the Arts Council
about direct purchasing from makers because it needs to happen. I
agree with you Neil, shop markups are ridiculous, but it is the cost
of running a business I guess.
Great to see you at the Gregson again Neil, I lose all my self
esteem and turn into a bag of nerves when I hear you play!! Would
love to video you for the Youtube site.
Scott


--- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., "gurdymaker"
<hurdygurdy@t...> wrote:
>
> Given that the price of gurdies is pretty much the same from maker
> to maker, any shop taking them as stock would only be able to
charge
> the going rate. This means the maker would only get around half of
> that price. Thus the maker is forced to work more quickly and
> quality is going to go down.
>
> Neil
> --- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., scott marshall
> <the.maud@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I did think about that, but thought there might be a way
> around it. Ken at Hobgoblin/Johnny Roadhouse Manchester seemed
very
> friendly and is mega keen to have gurdy's in stock.
> >
> >    The Arts council loan is just a pilot scheme at the moment, I
> will talk to them about dealing direct with makers in the future/
as
> the project widens. They have a similar scheme for buying artwork,
> which is helping starving painters/sculpters fund there habits, so
> why not gurdy makers!
> >
> >   Is there a case for the Hurdy-gurdy being considered as a
piece
> of conceptual modern installation artwork?
> >
> >   Scott.
> >
> >   PS if anyone wants to buy a pile of bricks from my backyard,
> they are an eyecatching postmodernist statement and have won
> critical acclaim from several spiders. Loans are available.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > JULIE BARKER <drohne@b...> wrote:
> >   Hobgoblin like a high profit margin so the extra cost would
> probably cancel-out the advantage of an interest-free loan. Also
> Hobgoblin are not popular with makers due to the length of time it
> takes for them to pay up.
> >
> > Scott Marshall <the.maud@y...> wrote:   I emailed the Arts
Council
> about the take it away scheme heres what
> > they said about getting a loan to buy a hurdy gurdy from a maker:
> >
> >
> > "Thank you for your enquiry.
> >
> > Unfortunately during the pilot of out Take it away scheme you
> would
> > not be able to get a loan to buy the instrument from a maker.
> >
> > I have been advised that you could contact a participating store
> and
> > ask them to buy the instrument from the maker, and then get a
loan.
> >
> > Should you wish to discuss this matter further, please contact
> Uschi
> > Gatward - who works in our South East regional office on 01273
> > 763014."
> >
> > It seems such a good scheme, I wonder if some link with
Hobgoblin
> > could be made? I will investigate further.
> >
> > best wishes
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Send instant messages to your online friends
> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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#409 From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:11 pm
Subject: Paul Sherwood....now with moving parts! 		the.maud
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Have a look at Paul on Youtube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ebSAu3siI

best wishes
Scott

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#410 From: "Graham Whyte" <graham@...>
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:46 pm
Subject: Slightly OT - Only for ABC users 		colsonamirec...
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Bl****y brilliant !!!!!
 
Many thanks
Graham Whyte
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:26 PM
Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Slightly OT - Only for ABC users

Hi All,
 
This is slightly off topic but you may be interested in a new ABC tool I've just made available ... it's free so I'm not touting for business !!!   In its simplest form you copy and paste ABC into a web page and play/print the music.   There's also a much fuller function version which you can download.   At the risk of boring you I won't go on at length ... take a look if you think it might be useful.
 
You can find it here   http://abcj.ganderband.com
 
Aaah well, back to refreshing my memory on some tunes I'm going to need this weekend and haven't played for ages :-(
 
    Steve
 
 Steve Spencer-Jowett
 

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#411 From: JULIE BARKER <drohne@...>
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: Paul Sherwood....now with moving parts! 		julie909295
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And after you have seen Paul, find the Hotel Pallindrone clip. A great Austrian band who are going places with some darned good music. Yesterday a folk festival organiser in S.E England says she is smitten and hopes to get them for 2007. Watch this space...
Philip

Scott Marshall <the.maud@...> wrote:
Have a look at Paul on Youtube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ebSAu3siI

best wishes
Scott




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#412 From: Cecilia Patko <ceciliapatko@...>
Date: Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:05 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 92 		pamacs24
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What if everybody called them within a short period of time in different
points of the country? They would perhaps get the message...
I want a second, a French gurdy some time too.

Cecilia

On 13/10/06 19:52, "HurdyGurdyForum@..."
<HurdyGurdyForum@...> wrote:

> There are 3 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Re: Gurdy Loans/ Neil on HG!
>            From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
>       2. Paul Sherwood....now with moving parts!
>            From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
>       3. Slightly OT - Only for ABC users
>            From: "Graham Whyte" <graham@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:36:47 -0000
>    From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
> Subject: Re: Gurdy Loans/ Neil on HG!
>
> There has to be some way around this, I will call the Arts Council
> about direct purchasing from makers because it needs to happen. I
> agree with you Neil, shop markups are ridiculous, but it is the cost
> of running a business I guess.
> Great to see you at the Gregson again Neil, I lose all my self
> esteem and turn into a bag of nerves when I hear you play!! Would
> love to video you for the Youtube site.
> Scott
>
>
> --- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., "gurdymaker"
> <hurdygurdy@t...> wrote:
>>
>> Given that the price of gurdies is pretty much the same from maker
>> to maker, any shop taking them as stock would only be able to
> charge
>> the going rate. This means the maker would only get around half of
>> that price. Thus the maker is forced to work more quickly and
>> quality is going to go down.
>>
>> Neil
>> --- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., scott marshall
>> <the.maud@y...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I did think about that, but thought there might be a way
>> around it. Ken at Hobgoblin/Johnny Roadhouse Manchester seemed
> very
>> friendly and is mega keen to have gurdy's in stock.
>>>
>>>    The Arts council loan is just a pilot scheme at the moment, I
>> will talk to them about dealing direct with makers in the future/
> as
>> the project widens. They have a similar scheme for buying artwork,
>> which is helping starving painters/sculpters fund there habits, so
>> why not gurdy makers!
>>>
>>>   Is there a case for the Hurdy-gurdy being considered as a
> piece
>> of conceptual modern installation artwork?
>>>
>>>   Scott.
>>>
>>>   PS if anyone wants to buy a pile of bricks from my backyard,
>> they are an eyecatching postmodernist statement and have won
>> critical acclaim from several spiders. Loans are available.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> JULIE BARKER <drohne@b...> wrote:
>>>   Hobgoblin like a high profit margin so the extra cost would
>> probably cancel-out the advantage of an interest-free loan. Also
>> Hobgoblin are not popular with makers due to the length of time it
>> takes for them to pay up.
>>>
>>> Scott Marshall <the.maud@y...> wrote:   I emailed the Arts
> Council
>> about the take it away scheme heres what
>>> they said about getting a loan to buy a hurdy gurdy from a maker:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Thank you for your enquiry.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately during the pilot of out Take it away scheme you
>> would
>>> not be able to get a loan to buy the instrument from a maker.
>>>
>>> I have been advised that you could contact a participating store
>> and
>>> ask them to buy the instrument from the maker, and then get a
> loan.
>>>
>>> Should you wish to discuss this matter further, please contact
>> Uschi
>>> Gatward - who works in our South East regional office on 01273
>>> 763014."
>>>
>>> It seems such a good scheme, I wonder if some link with
> Hobgoblin
>>> could be made? I will investigate further.
>>>
>>> best wishes
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Send instant messages to your online friends
>> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:11:18 -0000
>    From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
> Subject: Paul Sherwood....now with moving parts!
>
> Have a look at Paul on Youtube!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ebSAu3siI
>
> best wishes
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:46:03 +0100
>    From: "Graham Whyte" <graham@...>
> Subject: Slightly OT - Only for ABC users
>
> Bl****y brilliant !!!!!
>
> Many thanks
> Graham Whyte
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Steve Spencer-Jowett
>   To: HurdyGurdyForum@...
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:26 PM
>   Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Slightly OT - Only for ABC users
>
>
>   Hi All,
>
>   This is slightly off topic but you may be interested in a new ABC tool I've
> just made available ... it's free so I'm not touting for business !!!   In its
> simplest form you copy and paste ABC into a web page and play/print the music.
> There's also a much fuller function version which you can download.   At the
> risk of boring you I won't go on at length ... take a look if you think it
> might be useful.
>
>   You can find it here   http://abcj.ganderband.com
>
>   Aaah well, back to refreshing my memory on some tunes I'm going to need this
> weekend and haven't played for ages :-(
>
>       Steve
>
>    Steve Spencer-Jowett
>
>
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#413 From: scott marshall <the.maud@...>
Date: Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:01 am
Subject: Re: Gurdy Loans 		the.maud
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Yes good idea Cecilia, heres the Arts Council number again: 01273 763014 I will ring on Monday :-)


Cecilia Patko <ceciliapatko@...> wrote:
What if everybody called them within a short period of time in different
points of the country? They would perhaps get the message...
I want a second, a French gurdy some time too.

Cecilia

On 13/10/06 19:52, "HurdyGurdyForum@..."
<HurdyGurdyForum@...> wrote:

> There are 3 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Re: Gurdy Loans/ Neil on HG!
>            From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
>       2. Paul Sherwood....now with moving parts!
>            From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
>       3. Slightly OT - Only for ABC users
>            From: "Graham Whyte" <graham@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1      
>    Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:36:47 -0000
>    From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
> Subject: Re: Gurdy Loans/ Neil on HG!
>
> There has to be some way around this, I will call the Arts Council
> about direct purchasing from makers because it needs to happen. I
> agree with you Neil, shop markups are ridiculous, but it is the cost
> of running a business I guess.
> Great to see you at the Gregson again Neil, I lose all my self
> esteem and turn into a bag of nerves when I hear you play!! Would
> love to video you for the Youtube site.
> Scott
>
>
> --- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., "gurdymaker"
> <hurdygurdy@t...> wrote:
>>
>> Given that the price of gurdies is pretty much the same from maker
>> to maker, any shop taking them as stock would only be able to
> charge
>> the going rate. This means the maker would only get around half of
>> that price. Thus the maker is forced to work more quickly and
>> quality is going to go down.
>>
>> Neil
>> --- In HurdyGurdyForum@..., scott marshall
>> <the.maud@y...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I did think about that, but thought there might be a way
>> around it. Ken at Hobgoblin/Johnny Roadhouse Manchester seemed
> very
>> friendly and is mega keen to have gurdy's in stock.
>>>   
>>>    The Arts council loan is just a pilot scheme at the moment, I
>> will talk to them about dealing direct with makers in the future/
> as
>> the project widens. They have a similar scheme for buying artwork,
>> which is helping starving painters/sculpters fund there habits, so
>> why not gurdy makers!
>>>   
>>>   Is there a case for the Hurdy-gurdy being considered as a
> piece
>> of conceptual modern installation artwork?
>>>   
>>>   Scott.
>>>   
>>>   PS if anyone wants to buy a pile of bricks from my backyard,
>> they are an eyecatching postmodernist statement and have won
>> critical acclaim from several spiders. Loans are available.
>>>   
>>>   
>>>  
>>>
>>> JULIE BARKER <drohne@b...> wrote:
>>>   Hobgoblin like a high profit margin so the extra cost would
>> probably cancel-out the advantage of an interest-free loan. Also
>> Hobgoblin are not popular with makers due to the length of time it
>> takes for them to pay up.
>>>
>>> Scott Marshall <the.maud@y...> wrote:   I emailed the Arts
> Council
>> about the take it away scheme heres what
>>> they said about getting a loan to buy a hurdy gurdy from a maker:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Thank you for your enquiry.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately during the pilot of out Take it away scheme you
>> would
>>> not be able to get a loan to buy the instrument from a maker.
>>>
>>> I have been advised that you could contact a participating store
>> and
>>> ask them to buy the instrument from the maker, and then get a
> loan.
>>>
>>> Should you wish to discuss this matter further, please contact
>> Uschi
>>> Gatward - who works in our South East regional office on 01273
>>> 763014."
>>>
>>> It seems such a good scheme, I wonder if some link with
> Hobgoblin
>>> could be made? I will investigate further.
>>>
>>> best wishes
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  Send instant messages to your online friends
>> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2      
>    Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:11:18 -0000
>    From: "Scott Marshall" <the.maud@...>
> Subject: Paul Sherwood....now with moving parts!
>
> Have a look at Paul on Youtube!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ebSAu3siI
>
> best wishes
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3      
>    Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:46:03 +0100
>    From: "Graham Whyte" <graham@...>
> Subject: Slightly OT - Only for ABC users
>
> Bl****y brilliant !!!!!
>
> Many thanks
> Graham Whyte
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Steve Spencer-Jowett
>   To: HurdyGurdyForum@...
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:26 PM
>   Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Slightly OT - Only for ABC users
>
>
>   Hi All,
>
>   This is slightly off topic but you may be interested in a new ABC tool I've
> just made available ... it's free so I'm not touting for business !!!   In its
> simplest form you copy and paste ABC into a web page and play/print the music.
> There's also a much fuller function version which you can download.   At the
> risk of boring you I won't go on at length ... take a look if you think it
> might be useful.
>
>   You can find it here   http://abcj.ganderband.com
>
>   Aaah well, back to refreshing my memory on some tunes I'm going to need this
> weekend and haven't played for ages :-(
>
>       Steve
>
>    Steve Spencer-Jowett
>
>   
>
> [This message contained attachments]
>
>
>
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#414 From: Mark J Hewitt <m.hewitt@...>
Date: Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:59 am
Subject: Re: Slightly OT - Only for ABC users 		elmagnamim
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Steve,

Well that seems to be significantly better than the tool I was writing to replace skink; excellent: thank you!

A few quick comments:

    1) The option to ignore abc file line breaks does not propagate through to score printing, though works very nicely on the screen.
    2) Same for tempo - if selected, it is not printed.
    3) The source package does not contain the JavaCC grammar, but only the generated java. 
        Quite apart from the fact that I might want to use it, under a GPL license, it think this would be a source artefact you would be expected to distribute.
    4) Help?  For me I get a blank panel.
    5) I get a benign exception: java.io.FileNotFoundException: ABCJ.LST (No such file or directory)
    6) The VAInstall based installer does not seem to work correctly under Linux: It always believes I want to Update, but won't let me change install location from "none".

And what about for the todo list (no particular order!):
   
    1) What about a MIDI patch that sounds like a Hurdy Gurdy, though I expect you would need multiple voices to handle drones and trompette effectively.
    2) Undo features in the editor
    3) Editing of the dots rather than editing the abc
    3) For tune creation, input from a MIDI keyboard perhaps?
    4) Or ... Anyone have any success with wav -->[(FFT)-->(MIDI)]-->abc (!!)
    5) Looping for a selected part or all of tune at easily selected speeds- for learning and practice
    6) Metronome?
    7) Highlighting of score as it is played (like skink, audacity, etc.)
    8) Import/Export from other formats (midi (you already have export), nwc, musicXML, ly, etc.)
 
This should all be off list really, I suppose ...

Thanks again!

Mark.

Graham Whyte wrote:
Bl****y brilliant !!!!!
 
Many thanks
Graham Whyte
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:26 PM
Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Slightly OT - Only for ABC users

Hi All,
 
This is slightly off topic but you may be interested in a new ABC tool I've just made available ... it's free so I'm not touting for business !!!   In its simplest form you copy and paste ABC into a web page and play/print the music.   There's also a much fuller function version which you can download.   At the risk of boring you I won't go on at length ... take a look if you think it might be useful.
 
You can find it here   http://abcj.ganderband.com
 
Aaah well, back to refreshing my memory on some tunes I'm going to need this weekend and haven't played for ages :-(
 
    Steve
 
 Steve Spencer-Jowett
 

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