Hello friends,
I'm a Tory member from Coventry and I have been really keen on online
campaigning for some time. I read with interest the recent story that
the Tories are going to be learning from the US techniques.
I too have been watching US techniques for some time now. I've been
working on a small website, for Heartlands Conservative Future area,
which I am trying to make into a very modern, cutting edge website. It
uses the same base software that Howard Dean used and that has been
raved about all over the web.
It's at http://www.heartlandscf.co.uk/cms/ and I would really appreciate
some feedback on it from you guys.
Finding people on the ground around here that know a thing or two
about the internet is really difficult so the opinions I tend to get
are very much based around people comign to us as a party as well as
not being too open.
Please check it out and let me know what you think.
Is the podcast a good or bad idea? What about the private and public
blogs?
Thanks,
Mike Rouse
According to Ron Paul, US Representatives sometimes have only hours to read a bill before it is brought to them. How much time would MPs have to read new legislation under Blair's Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill?
Does anyone know?
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Yesterday in Parliament Shadow Defence Secretary, Liam Fox and Shadow
Procurement Minister, Gerald Howarth became the first to warn of the
dangers of the Europeanisation of defence research. Questioning the
Government on the difficulties in achieving access to vital defence
technology from the United States, Gerald Howarth said:
“It is true that we agree across the Dispatch Box that a failure by the
United States to permit the transfer of technology to enable us to
service our own aircraft would amount to an unacceptable loss of British
sovereignty. However, do not US suspicions about its technology leaching
out to France and elsewhere inevitably increases when Javier Solana
states that he wants at least 20% of all European military research
spending? Ministers cannot have it both ways – protesting in Washington
and then sneaking off to Brussels to sign up to technology sharing with
our European partners is hardly likely to win friends in Congress.”
At a European Defence Agency (EDA) conference which discussed the issue
of defence research sat on the 9^th of February, European Union
“officials” and European industrialists laid the groundwork for the
transfer of millions of pounds of British investment in defence research
to the European defence arm, the EDA. The European Defence Agency is now
set to receive its own research budget, (controlled by the Agency) to
pursue the defence agenda of the ever growing European Union super
state. The EU’s High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security
Policy, Javier Solana, stated that this common research fund was a
“fundamental contributor to the political consensus that supports the
role of defence”.
Solana called for the average amount of EU Member States’ national
defence research budgets spent collectively to be increased from the
current 5% to 20%. This would mean the UK surrendering a large section
of its research budget to the EDA with priorities set by the EU and
benefits going to the EU and other Member States regardless of their
contribution. What will this mean for the UK’s research priorities? What
will this mean for intellectual property developed by the EDA?
This will be the EU’s first independent defence research budget and
represents a significant development in the EU’s security and defence
policy, with boffins and the men in white coats leading the march toward
a European Army. The EU has long viewed European defence as being a
Trojan horse for European integration. First they tried to form a
standing European Army, but Europeans tend to spend very little on
defence and were reluctant to commit the necessary funds to create such
an Army. The calls for a Euro Army also caused some controversy and were
met with opposition from the Conservatives and from large sections of
the media. So the EU tried to do it an easier way, this time through
defence procurement as equipment acquisitions, which are usually
technical, attract far less attention. But once again this proved more
difficult than they anticipated. Procurement is expensive and
notoriously difficult and while the EU had some limited success, it was
always going to be hard to get the Members of the Union to commit the
funds to such projects. Once again this has led to opposition here in
the United Kingdom from the Conservatives, largely coming from Gerald
Howarth. So once again the European Integrationists looked to an easier
way and do you know this time they might just have got it.
The sums involved in defence research as considerably less than
procuring the final kit and by committing ever more of the national
research budgets to this common fund the seeds planted for tomorrow’s
technology will be European. Today’s research is tomorrow’s technology
and so the EU hopes to stitch up defence procurement for years to come,
which in turn will give them their European Army. Be in no doubt that
their intention is that one day all defence research spending will be
European. Tom Enders the President of the European giant the European
Aeronautic Defence and Space Company stated to the same EDA Conference
that the EDA should one day spend much more than the 20% suggested by
Solana.
Who will set the agenda for this research programme? Is the Ministry of
Defence really willing to surrender its already reduced research budget
to the EU? Where would that leave their Defence Industrial Strategy?
After slashing the research budget it would be folly for New Labour to
surrender our defence technology to the EU.
So you have been warned and the warning came from Dr Liam Fox and his
Conservative Shadow Defence Team. Yesterday in Parliament Dr Fox put to
Ministers:
“Are we not seeing technology and procurement being used as a backdoor
route to European defence integration?”
On a side note, given the opposition that Gerald Howarth has shown to
the Europeanisation of defence I was surprised to read over on Dr
Richard North’s Euro Referendum Blog, I would say unwarranted criticism
of Howarth and the rest of the Conservative team. I have followed
North’s work on his blog and in his pamphlet ‘The Wrong Side of the
Hill’ and while I agree with much of his sentiment the facts don’t
always hold up. Euroscepticism is a cause behind which we can all unite,
but why must some Eurosceptics twist the facts to make their case?
Firstly they only make it easier for our enemies to dismiss us and
secondly, we don’t need to twist the facts as the danger is plain for
all to see. You only have to read Solana’s speech to the EDA earlier
this month to see where they are taking this project.
So, Dr North, rather than attacking one of the few politicians who is
standing up for our interests, why not get behind them?
Fox and Howarth remain our last, best defence against further European
defence integration.
Dan
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Andrew
You are right about being careful, thats why I wanted more views on
Nosemonkey's question. This thing can be played a number of ways. I
cannot really remove any questions as they have been posted all over
the place.
My reason for asking questions rather than making accusations, is that
you can be less strident, you can even be wrong on some of them, but
you do not instantly lose credibility.
Next time I try a stunt like this I'll ask for input from all of you,
so as to get a variety of opinions.
By the way, the number of posts that are a direct or indirect result
of it is impressive. Even though we got to the party late.
Thanks
Serf
--- In Less_Government@..., Andrew
<nontrivialsolutions@g...> wrote:
>
> Putting my political analyst hat on for a minute: We have to be very
careful
> how we play the Leg/Reg bill - anything too strident sounds as if we're
> paranoid maniacs, and although we may have good cause, it isn't the
sort of
> image we really want to project. For that reason, painting it too
much as an
> attack on the monarchy would be a mistake - I'd guess that a sizeable
> minority of the public don't really care about the monarchy anyway. Far
> better is the approach taken by the party so far, particularly our arch
> nemisis, old Ken Clarke. It has to be softly softly. We're for less
> government. We're just against doing it the wrong way.
>
> Ironically, the best place for this sort of attack on the Leg/Reg
bill would
> be on the front page of the Mail... There's a very smart cookie
playing this
> on the government side if it is, as Nosemonkey suggests, intentional.
>
> Andrew
>
> P.S. Serf - I read through the 13 questions on the bill on Right
Links. I'd
> remove the one relating to introducing the EU constitution through
the back
> door, and likewise the one about ID cards. Both questions alienate
various
> parts of the political spectrum, and the campaign would be best if
> cross-party support were mobilised, specifically opposed to this
bill, and
> not to other issues (Note that Nosemonkey doesn't cite either
question in
> the excerpt he took to his own blog). Just my 2c...
>
You are only as good as the people around you. I know the thieves and they are silly drunks, who have not even made any money out of this. They have had to leave the country and the whole thing has been a pointless exercise in greed.
However what can you do with a man who is complicit in getting an extra £2,000,000 tax payers money for his boys security out of MOD brass at Sandhurst.
Mark Adams <markadams1107@...> wrote:
I think the Daily Mail is just selling papers. Charles has never been particularly popular - even with traditional monarchists because his outbursts tend to be leftish. I personally do see the monarchy as government waste and I would have no problem with formally delgating royal prerogative powers to the PM, with new checks and balances of course. The
current situation - where a the formal executive exerts no power at all - is bad for our constitution and any shift towards making the PM's powers formal could lead to a separation of powers. Not that I'd ever trust this government to make such reforms.
Andrews right about not making this about ID cards or the EU constitution. It deeply saddens me that there is still public support for ID cards but I have to accept it is not a hot-button issue. On the upside, although Gordon has publicly supported ID cards in principle, his M.O. is to use economic arguments to nix things he privately disagrees with. I'm hoping that if and when he gets PM, he'll quietly shelve the plan (fingers very much crossed). The EU constitution will require a referendum now that it has been promised although I think the question will not come back for a few years. Making it an issue here might turn off some potential supporters.
Mark Adams
From: Andrew <nontrivialsolutions@...> Reply-To: Less_Government@... To: Less_Government@... Subject: Re: [Less_Government] Fwd: Re: [Europhobia] 2/22/2006 07:46:51 AM Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:17:16 +0000
Putting my political analyst hat on for a minute: We have to be very careful how we play the Leg/Reg bill - anything too strident sounds as if we're paranoid maniacs, and although we may have good cause, it isn't the sort of image we really want to project. For that reason, painting it too much as an attack on the monarchy would be a mistake - I'd guess that a sizeable minority of the public don't really care about the monarchy anyway. Far better is the approach
taken by the party so far, particularly our arch nemisis, old Ken Clarke. It has to be softly softly. We're for less government. We're just against doing it the wrong way.
Ironically, the best place for this sort of attack on the Leg/Reg bill would be on the front page of the Mail... There's a very smart cookie playing this on the government side if it is, as Nosemonkey suggests, intentional.
Andrew
P.S. Serf - I read through the 13 questions on the bill on Right Links. I'd remove the one relating to introducing the EU constitution through the back door, and likewise the one about ID cards. Both questions alienate various parts of the political spectrum, and the campaign would be best if cross-party support were mobilised, specifically opposed to this bill, and not to other issues (Note that Nosemonkey doesn't cite either question in the excerpt he took to his own blog). Just my
2c...
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Nosemonkey <nosemonkey@...> To: Serf <eu_serf@... > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:44:03 +0000 Subject: Re: [Europhobia] 2/22/2006 07:46:51 AM A quick thought - the old Tory in me coming out again - that you and some of the other right-wing bloggers may be better placed to elaborate on (most of my
readers seem to be lefties), and build up further Tory support for the attempts to highlight the dangers of the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill:
Blair is assuming powers that still (technically) belong to the crown, and abusing the royal prerogative to his own ends (viz. the Iraq war, launched despite opposition without a debate in the Commons, utilising the royal prerogative).
And at the same time as the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill we have a new anti-Prince Charles thing kick off from an unexpected source - the Mail - which is edited by a man given immense access to Downing Street and who is a friend of Gordon Brown, despite its continued (normally) pro-Tory stance. I wouldn't be overly surprised if this wasn't an attempt to test the waters of scrapping the remaining prerogative powers altogether, and establishing them legally - rather than merely technically - in the office of Prime Minister. Which is, after
all, what the L&RR Bill is doing - nothing in there about getting royal consent for laws passed by ministerial decree that I'm aware of...
As I say, just a thought. I'm out of touch with the thoughts of the Conservative Party re: the monarchy these days. But struck me as the kind of emotive issue that could get people to sit up and take notice of something they might otherwise write off as something that could cut down on government waste...
On 22/02/06, Nosemonkey < nosemonkey@...> wrote: > Right, I've got something up: > http://europhobia.blogspot.com/2006/02/legislative-and-regulatory-reform-bill.html > > By the by, did you realise there's a typo in the Prezza banner you've > got up the top of that Right Links site? "Trusts" rather than > "Trust"... May
be worth a quick fiddle. > > (Sorry, in proofing mode at the moment - press week at work...) > > On 22/02/06, Serf < eu_serf@...> wrote: > > Thanks for the vote of confidence. You know this subject only got into The > > Times after the writer read about it on a blog, so maybe we can make a > > difference. > > > > Serf > > > > Nosemonkey <nosemonkey@...> wrote: > > Good work that man! Something actively productive fr a change. > > > > Christ - the back and forths of emails with (some of) the leftie > > bloggers over the last few days has been hilarious - a bunch of them > > have only JUST realised that Blair and co are a bunch of maniacs and > > are running around like maniacs trying to launch new political parties >
> and the like... Not a single productive, feasible suggestion of how to > > boot the buggers out. > > > > Me? I'm seriously considering voting Tory for the first time in nearly > > a decade... > > > > On 22/02/06, EU-Serf wrote: > > > Nosemonkey: > > > > > > We have prepared a list of 13 questions to be posted on Blogs and sent to > > > MPs, concerning The Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill. > > > > > > http://rightlinks.co.uk/linked/modules/AMS/index.php > > > > > > -- > > > Posted by EU-Serf to Europhobia at 2/22/2006 07:46:51 AM > > > > > > -- > > Nosemonkey > > http://europhobia.blogspot.com > > http://www.thesharpener.net > > > > > > > > Laments of a EU Serf > > www.eu-serf.blogspot.com > > > > ________________________________ > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! > > Security Centre. > > > -- > Nosemonkey > http://europhobia.blogspot.com > http://www.thesharpener.net >
I think the Daily Mail is just selling papers. Charles has never been particularly popular - even with traditional monarchists because his outbursts tend to be leftish. I personally do see the monarchy as government waste and I would have no problem with formally delgating royal prerogative powers to the PM, with new checks and balances of course. The current situation - where a the formal executive exerts no power at all - is bad for our constitution and any shift towards making the PM's powers formal could lead to a separation of powers. Not that I'd ever trust this government to make such reforms.
Andrews right about not making this about ID cards or the EU constitution. It deeply saddens me that there is still public support for ID cards but I have to accept it is not a hot-button issue. On the upside, although Gordon has publicly supported ID cards in principle, his M.O. is to use economic arguments to nix things he privately disagrees with. I'm hoping that if and when he gets PM, he'll quietly shelve the plan (fingers very much crossed). The EU constitution will require a referendum now that it has been promised although I think the question will not come back for a few years. Making it an issue here might turn off some potential supporters.
Mark Adams
From: Andrew <nontrivialsolutions@...> Reply-To: Less_Government@... To: Less_Government@... Subject: Re: [Less_Government] Fwd: Re: [Europhobia] 2/22/2006 07:46:51 AM Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:17:16 +0000
Putting my political analyst hat on for a minute: We have to be very careful how we play the Leg/Reg bill - anything too strident sounds as if we're paranoid maniacs, and although we may have good cause, it isn't the sort of image we really want to project. For that reason, painting it too much as an attack on the monarchy would be a mistake - I'd guess that a sizeable minority of the public don't really care about the monarchy anyway. Far better is the approach taken by the party so far, particularly our arch nemisis, old Ken Clarke. It has to be softly softly. We're for less government. We're just against doing it the wrong way.
Ironically, the best place for this sort of attack on the Leg/Reg bill would be on the front page of the Mail... There's a very smart cookie playing this on the government side if it is, as Nosemonkey suggests, intentional.
Andrew
P.S. Serf - I read through the 13 questions on the bill on Right Links. I'd remove the one relating to introducing the EU constitution through the back door, and likewise the one about ID cards. Both questions alienate various parts of the political spectrum, and the campaign would be best if cross-party support were mobilised, specifically opposed to this bill, and not to other issues (Note that Nosemonkey doesn't cite either question in the excerpt he took to his own blog). Just my 2c...
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Nosemonkey <nosemonkey@...> To: Serf <eu_serf@... > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:44:03 +0000 Subject: Re: [Europhobia] 2/22/2006 07:46:51 AM A quick thought - the old Tory in me coming out again - that you and some of the other right-wing bloggers may be better placed to elaborate on (most of my readers seem to be lefties), and build up further Tory support for the attempts to highlight the dangers of the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill:
Blair is assuming powers that still (technically) belong to the crown, and abusing the royal prerogative to his own ends (viz. the Iraq war, launched despite opposition without a debate in the Commons, utilising the royal prerogative).
And at the same time as the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill we have a new anti-Prince Charles thing kick off from an unexpected source - the Mail - which is edited by a man given immense access to Downing Street and who is a friend of Gordon Brown, despite its continued (normally) pro-Tory stance. I wouldn't be overly surprised if this wasn't an attempt to test the waters of scrapping the remaining prerogative powers altogether, and establishing them legally - rather than merely technically - in the office of Prime Minister. Which is, after all, what the L&RR Bill is doing - nothing in there about getting royal consent for laws passed by ministerial decree that I'm aware of...
As I say, just a thought. I'm out of touch with the thoughts of the Conservative Party re: the monarchy these days. But struck me as the kind of emotive issue that could get people to sit up and take notice of something they might otherwise write off as something that could cut down on government waste...
On 22/02/06, Nosemonkey < nosemonkey@...> wrote: > Right, I've got something up: > http://europhobia.blogspot.com/2006/02/legislative-and-regulatory-reform-bill.html > > By the by, did you realise there's a typo in the Prezza banner you've > got up the top of that Right Links site? "Trusts" rather than > "Trust"... May be worth a quick fiddle. > > (Sorry, in proofing mode at the moment - press week at work...) > > On 22/02/06, Serf < eu_serf@...> wrote: > > Thanks for the vote of confidence. You know this subject only got into The > > Times after the writer read about it on a blog, so maybe we can make a > > difference. > > > > Serf > > > > Nosemonkey <nosemonkey@...> wrote: > > Good work that man! Something actively productive fr a change. > > > > Christ - the back and forths of emails with (some of) the leftie > > bloggers over the last few days has been hilarious - a bunch of them > > have only JUST realised that Blair and co are a bunch of maniacs and > > are running around like maniacs trying to launch new political parties > > and the like... Not a single productive, feasible suggestion of how to > > boot the buggers out. > > > > Me? I'm seriously considering voting Tory for the first time in nearly > > a decade... > > > > On 22/02/06, EU-Serf wrote: > > > Nosemonkey: > > > > > > We have prepared a list of 13 questions to be posted on Blogs and sent to > > > MPs, concerning The Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill. > > > > > > http://rightlinks.co.uk/linked/modules/AMS/index.php > > > > > > -- > > > Posted by EU-Serf to Europhobia at 2/22/2006 07:46:51 AM > > > > > > -- > > Nosemonkey > > http://europhobia.blogspot.com > > http://www.thesharpener.net > > > > > > > > Laments of a EU Serf > > www.eu-serf.blogspot.com > > > > ________________________________ > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! > > Security Centre. > > > -- > Nosemonkey > http://europhobia.blogspot.com > http://www.thesharpener.net >
Putting my political analyst hat on for a minute: We have to be very careful how we play the Leg/Reg bill - anything too strident sounds as if we're paranoid maniacs, and although we may have good cause, it isn't the sort of image we really want to project. For that reason, painting it too much as an attack on the monarchy would be a mistake - I'd guess that a sizeable minority of the public don't really care about the monarchy anyway. Far better is the approach taken by the party so far, particularly our arch nemisis, old Ken Clarke. It has to be softly softly. We're for less government. We're just against doing it the wrong way.
Ironically, the best place for this sort of attack on the Leg/Reg bill would be on the front page of the Mail... There's a very smart cookie playing this on the government side if it is, as Nosemonkey suggests, intentional.
Andrew
P.S. Serf - I read through the 13 questions on the bill on Right Links. I'd remove the one relating to introducing the EU constitution through the back door, and likewise the one about ID cards. Both questions alienate various parts of the political spectrum, and the campaign would be best if cross-party support were mobilised, specifically opposed to this bill, and not to other issues (Note that Nosemonkey doesn't cite either question in the excerpt he took to his own blog). Just my 2c...
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Nosemonkey <nosemonkey@...> To: Serf <eu_serf@...
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:44:03 +0000 Subject: Re: [Europhobia] 2/22/2006 07:46:51 AM A quick thought - the old Tory in me coming out again - that you and some of the other right-wing bloggers may be better placed to
elaborate on (most of my readers seem to be lefties), and build up further Tory support for the attempts to highlight the dangers of the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill:
Blair is assuming powers that still (technically) belong to the crown,
and abusing the royal prerogative to his own ends (viz. the Iraq war, launched despite opposition without a debate in the Commons, utilising the royal prerogative).
And at the same time as the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill we
have a new anti-Prince Charles thing kick off from an unexpected source - the Mail - which is edited by a man given immense access to Downing Street and who is a friend of Gordon Brown, despite its continued (normally) pro-Tory stance. I wouldn't be overly surprised
if this wasn't an attempt to test the waters of scrapping the remaining prerogative powers altogether, and establishing them legally - rather than merely technically - in the office of Prime Minister. Which is, after all, what the L&RR Bill is doing - nothing in there
about getting royal consent for laws passed by ministerial decree that I'm aware of...
As I say, just a thought. I'm out of touch with the thoughts of the Conservative Party re: the monarchy these days. But struck me as the
kind of emotive issue that could get people to sit up and take notice of something they might otherwise write off as something that could cut down on government waste...
On 22/02/06, Nosemonkey <
nosemonkey@...> wrote: > Right, I've got something up: >
http://europhobia.blogspot.com/2006/02/legislative-and-regulatory-reform-bill.html > > By the by, did you realise there's a typo in the Prezza banner you've > got up the top of that Right Links site? "Trusts" rather than
> "Trust"... May be worth a quick fiddle. > > (Sorry, in proofing mode at the moment - press week at work...) > > On 22/02/06, Serf <
eu_serf@...> wrote: > > Thanks for the vote of confidence. You know this subject only got into The > > Times after the writer read about it on a blog, so maybe we can make a > > difference.
> > > > Serf > > > > Nosemonkey <nosemonkey@...> wrote: > > Good work that man! Something actively productive fr a change.
> > > > Christ - the back and forths of emails with (some of) the leftie > > bloggers over the last few days has been hilarious - a bunch of them > > have only JUST realised that Blair and co are a bunch of maniacs and
> > are running around like maniacs trying to launch new political parties > > and the like... Not a single productive, feasible suggestion of how to > > boot the buggers out. > > > > Me? I'm seriously considering voting Tory for the first time in nearly
> > a decade... > > > > On 22/02/06, EU-Serf wrote: > > > Nosemonkey: > > > > > > We have prepared a list of 13 questions to be posted on Blogs and sent to
> > > MPs, concerning The Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill. > > > > > >
http://rightlinks.co.uk/linked/modules/AMS/index.php > > > > > > -- > > > Posted by EU-Serf to Europhobia at 2/22/2006 07:46:51 AM > > > > > > -- > > Nosemonkey
> > http://europhobia.blogspot.com > >
http://www.thesharpener.net > > > > > > > > Laments of a EU Serf > >
www.eu-serf.blogspot.com > > > > ________________________________ > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! > > Security Centre. > >
> -- > Nosemonkey > http://europhobia.blogspot.com >
http://www.thesharpener.net >
I would be interested in what your thoughts are about this.
Serf
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A quick thought - the old Tory in me coming out again - that you and
some of the other right-wing bloggers may be better placed to
elaborate on (most of my readers seem to be lefties), and build up
further Tory support for the attempts to highlight the dangers of the
Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill:
Blair is assuming powers that still (technically) belong to the crown,
and abusing the royal prerogative to his own ends (viz. the Iraq war,
launched despite opposition without a debate in the Commons, utilising
the royal prerogative).
And at the same time as the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill we
have a new anti-Prince Charles thing kick off from an unexpected
source - the Mail - which is edited by a man given immense access to
Downing Street and who is a friend of Gordon Brown, despite its
continued (normally) pro-Tory stance. I wouldn't be overly surprised
if this wasn't an attempt to test the waters of scrapping the
remaining prerogative powers altogether, and establishing them legally
- rather than merely technically - in the office of Prime Minister.
Which is, after all, what the L&RR Bill is doing - nothing in there
about getting royal consent for laws passed by ministerial decree that
I'm aware of...
As I say, just a thought. I'm out of touch with the thoughts of the
Conservative Party re: the monarchy these days. But struck me as the
kind of emotive issue that could get people to sit up and take notice
of something they might otherwise write off as something that could
cut down on government waste...
On 22/02/06, Nosemonkey <nosemonkey@...> wrote:
> Right, I've got something up:
>
http://europhobia.blogspot.com/2006/02/legislative-and-regulatory-reform-bill.ht\
ml
>
> By the by, did you realise there's a typo in the Prezza banner you've
> got up the top of that Right Links site? "Trusts" rather than
> "Trust"... May be worth a quick fiddle.
>
> (Sorry, in proofing mode at the moment - press week at work...)
>
> On 22/02/06, Serf <eu_serf@...> wrote:
> > Thanks for the vote of confidence. You know this subject only got into The
> > Times after the writer read about it on a blog, so maybe we can make a
> > difference.
> >
> > Serf
> >
> > Nosemonkey <nosemonkey@...> wrote:
> > Good work that man! Something actively productive fr a change.
> >
> > Christ - the back and forths of emails with (some of) the leftie
> > bloggers over the last few days has been hilarious - a bunch of them
> > have only JUST realised that Blair and co are a bunch of maniacs and
> > are running around like maniacs trying to launch new political parties
> > and the like... Not a single productive, feasible suggestion of how to
> > boot the buggers out.
> >
> > Me? I'm seriously considering voting Tory for the first time in nearly
> > a decade...
> >
> > On 22/02/06, EU-Serf wrote:
> > > Nosemonkey:
> > >
> > > We have prepared a list of 13 questions to be posted on Blogs and sent to
> > > MPs, concerning The Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill.
> > >
> > > http://rightlinks.co.uk/linked/modules/AMS/index.php
> > >
> > > --
> > > Posted by EU-Serf to Europhobia at 2/22/2006 07:46:51 AM
> >
> >
> > --
> > Nosemonkey
> > http://europhobia.blogspot.com
> > http://www.thesharpener.net
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Tories study US internet tactics to beat Labour By Caroline Danielin Washingtonand Ben Hall in London Published: February 12 2006 21:57 | Last updated: February 12 2006 21:57
David Cameron’s Conservatives are hoping to outflank Labour by emulating US Republican campaigning techniques, using the internet to identify potential voters and “blogs” and proxy groups to attack opponents and the media.
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Conservative Central Office has commissioned a study of US practices by Tim Montgomerie, a former adviser to Iain Duncan Smith and editor of an influential Tory-supporting website.
Mr Montgomerie, a Christian Conservative, favours the use of the internet to challenge reporting in the mainstream media, especially the BBC which he regards as “target number one”, and to build up grassroots campaigns in favour of Conservative ideas, if not formally the Tory party. Some rightwing Tories have accused the BBC of a leftwing bias.
The initiative comes ahead of a visit to Washington by senior Tories later this week to mend fences with the Bush administration and senior Republican figures after relations soured under Michael Howard, Mr Cameron’s predecessor.
Attending the Conservative Political Action
Conference in Washington, Mr Montgomerie said the Tories should consider using proxy groups to attack opponents, as the US Republicans did with the Swift Boat campaign attacking John Kerry’s military record in Vietnam.
“The mainstream media would not go against John Kerry’s war record, but the web infrastructure was able to host the video and raise money for that video, and did the dirty work of the Republican party,” he said.
“The BBC is the obvious place to start. The American blogosphere has been most successful in attacking the mainstream media. And the BBC is target number one.”
Mr Montgomerie has met Republican leaders, including Ken Mehlman, chairman of the Republican National Committee, and visited the Leadership Institute in Arlington that trains young activists. He met Joe Trippi, the brain behind Howard Dean’s internet-based campaigning that electrified his effort to become the Democratic party nominee.
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British parties were “light years behind” their American counterparts in using the internet to identify and communicate with voters, building up grassroots coalitions to be mobilised during an election campaign.
Grant Shapps MP, a Tory vice-chairman in charge of campaigning, said the party wanted to adopt the best campaigning techniques.
He uses what he calls “push politics”, internet campaigns on local non-party issues, such as the closure of hospital wards. Mr Shapps said he had the e-mail addresses of 10 to 15 per cent of his electorate allowing him to communicate directly and regularly with voters.
The Republicans had ad-opted sophisticated targeting to identify 21 coalitions of supporters, from Christians to African Americans, he said. But British campaigns were unlikely to revolve around moral issues.
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Tories study US internet tactics to beat Labour By Caroline Danielin Washingtonand Ben Hall in London Published: February 12 2006 21:57 | Last updated: February 12 2006 21:57
David Cameron’s Conservatives are hoping to outflank Labour by emulating US Republican campaigning techniques, using the internet to identify potential voters and “blogs” and proxy groups to attack opponents and the media.
Conservative Central Office has commissioned a study of US practices by Tim Montgomerie, a former adviser to Iain Duncan Smith and editor of an influential Tory-supporting website.
Mr Montgomerie, a Christian Conservative, favours the use of the internet to challenge reporting in the mainstream media, especially the BBC which he regards as “target number one”, and to build up grassroots campaigns in favour of Conservative ideas, if not formally the Tory party. Some rightwing Tories have accused the BBC of a leftwing bias.
The initiative comes ahead of a visit to Washington by senior Tories later this week to mend fences with the Bush administration and senior Republican figures after relations soured under Michael Howard, Mr Cameron’s predecessor.
Attending the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, Mr
Montgomerie said the Tories should consider using proxy groups to attack opponents, as the US Republicans did with the Swift Boat campaign attacking John Kerry’s military record in Vietnam.
“The mainstream media would not go against John Kerry’s war record, but the web infrastructure was able to host the video and raise money for that video, and did the dirty work of the Republican party,” he said.
“The BBC is the obvious place to start. The American blogosphere has been most successful in attacking the mainstream media. And the BBC is target number one.”
Mr Montgomerie has met Republican leaders, including Ken Mehlman, chairman of the Republican National Committee, and visited the Leadership Institute in Arlington that trains young activists. He met Joe Trippi, the brain behind Howard Dean’s internet-based campaigning that electrified his effort to become the Democratic party nominee.
“One of the lessons of 2004 [US presidential
election] is that the best stuff was done by proxy not the central party machine,” Mr Montgomerie said.
British parties were “light years behind” their American counterparts in using the internet to identify and communicate with voters, building up grassroots coalitions to be mobilised during an election campaign.
Grant Shapps MP, a Tory vice-chairman in charge of campaigning, said the party wanted to adopt the best campaigning techniques.
He uses what he calls “push politics”, internet campaigns on local non-party issues, such as the closure of hospital wards. Mr Shapps said he had the e-mail addresses of 10 to 15 per cent of his electorate allowing him to communicate directly and regularly with voters.
The Republicans had ad-opted sophisticated targeting to identify 21 coalitions of supporters, from Christians to African Americans, he said. But British campaigns were unlikely to revolve around moral
issues.
I was thinking the same. I will work out a way of automating the next one. The first time at anything is a learning process.
Serf
Wat Tyler <burn.money@...> wrote:
Message
I've done mine- but is there some simple way of automating future shots? I did a laborious cut and paste on each one. Am I being stupid?
Wat
-----Original Message----- From: Less_Government@... [mailto:Less_Government@...] On Behalf Of Serf Sent: 30 January 2006 12:08 To: Less_Government@... Subject: RE: [Less_Government] The EPP
Am I doing something drastically stupid.....
No I am apparently. Try again, it should work.
Serf
Mark Adams <markadams1107@...> wrote:
I'm all in favour. I've blogged it and I'll write some e-mails.
Am I doing something drastically stupid because when I try to read the page of
MEPs details I get the message "You are not allowed access to default level pages". I am logged in but I would have thought anyone should be able to read that page.
Regards
Mark Adams
From: Serf <eu_serf@...> Reply-To: Less_Government@... To: Less Government <Less_Government@...> Subject: [Less_Government] The EPP Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:51:18 +0000 (GMT)
Now that Right Links is up and Running, I have decided to launch a small campaign, which has three aims.
1) Raise awareness of the site. 2) See how these things work 3) Last but not least, the campaign itself.
So what is it?
A mailing campaign, in support of David Cameron's policy on the European Peoples party. As a raving Eurosceptic, it is of course less than what I would like to see, but it is undoubtedly a step in the right direction.
The idea is to pressure MEPs, by letting them know what we think.
If you like the idea, please mention it on your blogs.
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I've done mine- but is there some simple way of automating future shots? I did a laborious cut and paste on each one. Am I being stupid?
Wat
-----Original Message----- From: Less_Government@... [mailto:Less_Government@...] On Behalf Of Serf Sent: 30 January 2006 12:08 To: Less_Government@... Subject: RE: [Less_Government] The EPP
Am I doing something drastically stupid.....
No I am apparently. Try again, it should work.
Serf
Mark Adams <markadams1107@...> wrote:
I'm all in favour. I've blogged it and I'll write some e-mails.
Am I doing something drastically stupid because when I try to read the page of MEPs details I get the message "You are not allowed access to default level pages". I am logged in but I would have thought anyone should be able to read that page.
Regards
Mark Adams
From: Serf <eu_serf@...> Reply-To: Less_Government@... To: Less Government <Less_Government@...> Subject: [Less_Government] The EPP Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:51:18 +0000 (GMT)
Now that Right Links is up and Running, I have decided to launch a small campaign, which has three aims.
1) Raise awareness of the site. 2) See how these things work 3) Last but not least, the campaign itself.
So what is it?
A mailing campaign, in support of David Cameron's policy on the European Peoples party. As a raving Eurosceptic, it is of course less than what I would like to see, but it is undoubtedly a step in the right direction.
The idea is to pressure MEPs, by letting them know what we think.
If you like the idea, please mention it on your blogs.
Thanks
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I added your blog to the feeds. If anyone else wants to be added let me know.
On the subject of the banner exchange, all that remains is for you to add a banner and you will start to get promoted.
Good Luck with the relaunch
Serf
Mark Adams <markadams1107@...> wrote:
My blog is now (finally) running from my original domain. It will still load from the typepad address, so if you have already blogrolled me (and the link worked before) then you don't need to change anything. If you haven't linked me then I might as well use this opportunity to beg for more links. My new homepage is:
my site will also load if you add 'home' on to the end of that, but you don't have too. It won't work if you omit the 'www' (for those that care or understand, it's to do with the way my domain is mapped).
Various bits of HTML have also been added, including the Right Links banner (sorry Serf that it took so long). However, as long as I'm on the subject and am begging for links, perhaps I can persuade you to add my RSS feed to Right Links, it's:
My blog is now (finally) running from my original domain. It will still load from the typepad address, so if you have already blogrolled me (and the link worked before) then you don't need to change anything. If you haven't linked me then I might as well use this opportunity to beg for more links. My new homepage is:
my site will also load if you add 'home' on to the end of that, but you don't have too. It won't work if you omit the 'www' (for those that care or understand, it's to do with the way my domain is mapped).
Various bits of HTML have also been added, including the Right Links banner (sorry Serf that it took so long). However, as long as I'm on the subject and am begging for links, perhaps I can persuade you to add my RSS feed to Right Links, it's:
From: Serf <eu_serf@...> Reply-To: Less_Government@... To: Less_Government@... Subject: RE: [Less_Government] The EPP Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:08:13 +0000 (GMT)
Am I doing something drastically stupid.....
No I am apparently. Try again, it should work.
Serf
Mark Adams <markadams1107@...> wrote:
I'm all in favour. I've blogged it and I'll write some e-mails.
Am I doing something drastically stupid because when I try to read the page of MEPs details I get the message "You are not allowed access to default level pages". I am logged in but I would have thought anyone should be able to read that page.
Regards
Mark Adams
From: Serf <eu_serf@...> Reply-To: Less_Government@... To: Less Government <Less_Government@...> Subject: [Less_Government] The EPP Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:51:18 +0000 (GMT)
Now that Right Links is up and Running, I have decided to launch a small campaign, which has three aims.
1) Raise awareness of the site. 2) See how these things work 3) Last but not least, the campaign itself.
So what is it?
A mailing campaign, in support of David Cameron's policy on the European Peoples party. As a raving Eurosceptic, it is of course less than what I would like to see, but it is undoubtedly a step in the right direction.
The idea is to pressure MEPs, by letting them know what we think.
If you like the idea, please mention it on your blogs.
Thanks
Serf
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I'm all in favour. I've blogged it and I'll write some e-mails.
Am I doing something drastically stupid because when I try to read the page of MEPs details I get the message "You are not allowed access to default level pages". I am logged in but I would have thought anyone should be able to read that page.
Regards
Mark Adams
From: Serf <eu_serf@...> Reply-To: Less_Government@... To: Less Government <Less_Government@...> Subject: [Less_Government] The EPP Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:51:18 +0000 (GMT)
Now that Right Links is up and Running, I have decided to launch a small campaign, which has three aims.
1) Raise awareness of the site. 2) See how these things work 3) Last but not least, the campaign itself.
So what is it?
A mailing campaign, in support of David Cameron's policy on the European Peoples party. As a raving Eurosceptic, it is of course less than what I would like to see, but it is undoubtedly a step in the right direction.
The idea is to pressure MEPs, by letting them know what we
think.
I'm all in favour. I've blogged it and I'll write some e-mails.
Am I doing something drastically stupid because when I try to read the page of MEPs details I get the message "You are not allowed access to default level pages". I am logged in but I would have thought anyone should be able to read that page.
Regards
Mark Adams
From: Serf <eu_serf@...> Reply-To: Less_Government@... To: Less Government <Less_Government@...> Subject: [Less_Government] The EPP Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:51:18 +0000 (GMT)
Now that Right Links is up and Running, I have decided to launch a small campaign, which has three aims.
1) Raise awareness of the site. 2) See how these things work 3) Last but not least, the campaign itself.
So what is it?
A mailing campaign, in support of David Cameron's policy on the European Peoples party. As a raving Eurosceptic, it is of course less than what I would like to see, but it is undoubtedly a step in the right direction.
The idea is to pressure MEPs, by letting them know what we think.
Now that Right Links is up and Running, I have decided to launch a small campaign, which has three aims.
1) Raise awareness of the site. 2) See how these things work 3) Last but not least, the campaign itself.
So what is it?
A mailing campaign, in support of David Cameron's policy on the European Peoples party. As a raving Eurosceptic, it is of course less than what I would like to see, but it is undoubtedly a step in the right direction.
The idea is to pressure MEPs, by letting them know what we think.
I have to agree with Wat/Mike
DC is doing a brilliant POLITICAL job and certainly it is difficult not to
fall over laughing as the LIB/DEMS self-destruct
But I am worried about DC; he gives me the same "touchy feely" experience
that I had with Blair in 1997. Yes, I voted for him, only once, but I am
still burning in Hades (working in the NHS) for that mistake.
I have had the government on my doorstep for 8 years; so have all the
professions. For the first time in my life I now really know and understand
what "less government" means
I shall be actively and vigorously supporting DC. Where I live that means
the death knell for Vincent Cable - who is sound, solid and marginally less
exciting than Geoffrey Howe.
But I need some meat on the bone, and DC's capitulation on healthcare (no
radical re-think, just more tinkering) is deeply depressing. I fear it may
represent a Teflon-coated lowest-common denominator approach to all major
policy areas.
Convince me I am wrong, or tell me what to do about it.
John
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There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
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From: SIMON LLOYD <simonlloyd1@...>
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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:02:43 +0000 (GMT)
From: SIMON LLOYD <simonlloyd1@...>
Subject: Re: Conservative Home
I agree with all you have said in your reply. I hope we all look forward to
making David Cameron the next Priminister and to have a better government
simon lloyd
Serf <eu_serf@...> wrote:
Simon
You have obviously misunderstood something. I don't see how you misconstrued
the article as anti Cameron, I never meant it to be. I for one, am very
happy with the poll numbers since DC won.
Our party has suffered greatly from internal division over the past few
years. My feeeling is that the right should focus on something positive
rather than sniping at Cameron which will simply strengthen Labour. What we
can do is to try and replicate the Conservative Infrastructure they have in
the USA.
That way come the next election, we can more easily keep the votes of all
wings of the party, whilst having convinced more people of our ideas.
Serf
SIMON LLOYD <simonlloyd1@...> wrote: hi.
this is the way it is. We all had an agreement. The best man wins. I
supported DD.
so this is the thing. fuck off - you asses. DC IS MAKING GREAT GROUND
stop being asses
Serf <eu_serf@...> wrote:
I have an article up on Conservative Home which may be of interest to
you:
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2006/01/eu_serf_finding_1.html
It is a continuation of some of the ideas that have been talked about,
particularly among unhappy Davis supporters.
Serf
PS: I have uopdated the events calendar on right links (I found a couple of
good sources). If anyone knows of any others. I would also like to ask
anyone who hasn't submitted their blog to do so.
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Simon,
I must say I didn't read Serf's ConservativeHome piece as an attack on
Cameron.
But we certainly need a US-style conservative infrastructure (if you haven't
already done so, read Right Nation). And the net- and esp the blogosphere-
gives us the tools to speed things along. The open networking opportunites
are fantastic, and not hobbled by any formal party structure.
Like Serf, I think DC is doing a fabulous job IN TERMS OF PARTY POLITICS. In
a month and a bit, he's transformed the polls, seriously derailed the LDs,
and driven a spike into Labour's education fissures (any Tory who watched
Newsnight on Thurs where Nick Gibb sat between Estelle M and the hilariously
pornostar-named Lord Adonis would have been chuffed to bits. Gibb hardly
said anything and tried not to look too smug as Estelle and his Lordship
tore into each other- Brilliant!)
In fact, in terms of immediate electoral impact, I have to admit that he's
doing a much better job than DD would ever have done.
But that doesn't mean I'm not going to do what I can to campaign for the
stuff I believe in- like a smaller state. And such campaigning has to be
outside DC's image-led centrist Conservative Party. No offence intended-
it's just that they're in a different business- ie getting elected, rather
than trying to shape policy opinion. Following not leading.
No complaints- naive as I am, for the first time I now understand properly
that's the way electoral politics works. And I'm sure I'm not alone.
Best wishes
Wat/Mike
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From: Less_Government@...
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Sent: 21 January 2006 05:55
To: Less_Government@...
Subject: Re: [Less_Government] Conservative Home
Simon
You have obviously misunderstood something. I don't see how you misconstrued
the article as anti Cameron, I never meant it to be. I for one, am very
happy with the poll numbers since DC won.
Our party has suffered greatly from internal division over the past few
years. My feeeling is that the right should focus on something positive
rather than sniping at Cameron which will simply strengthen Labour. What we
can do is to try and replicate the Conservative Infrastructure they have in
the USA.
That way come the next election, we can more easily keep the votes of all
wings of the party, whilst having convinced more people of our ideas.
Serf
SIMON LLOYD <simonlloyd1@...> wrote:
hi.
this is the way it is. We all had an agreement. The best man wins. I
supported DD.
so this is the thing. fuck off - you asses. DC IS MAKING GREAT GROUND
stop being asses
Serf <eu_serf@...> wrote:
I have an article up on Conservative Home which may be of interest to you:
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2006/01/eu_serf_finding_1.html
It is a continuation of some of the ideas that have been talked about,
particularly among unhappy Davis supporters.
Serf
PS: I have uopdated the events calendar on right links (I found a couple of
good sources). If anyone knows of any others. I would also like to ask
anyone who hasn't submitted their blog to do so.
PPS: Get those submissions in for the round up.
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I must say I didn't read Serf's ConservativeHome piece as an attack on Cameron.
But we certainly need a US-style conservative infrastructure (if you haven't already done so, read Right Nation). And the net- and esp the blogosphere- gives us the tools to speed things along. The open networking opportunites are fantastic, and not hobbled by any formal party structure.
Like Serf, I think DC is doing a fabulous job IN TERMS OF PARTY POLITICS. In a month and a bit, he's transformed the polls, seriously derailed the LDs, and driven a spike into Labour's education fissures (any Tory who watched Newsnight on Thurs where Nick Gibb sat between Estelle M and the hilariously pornostar-named Lord Adonis would have been chuffed to bits. Gibb hardly said anything and tried not to look too smug as Estelle and his Lordship tore into each other- Brilliant!)
In fact, in terms of immediate electoral impact, I have to admit that he's doing a much better job than DD would ever have done.
But that doesn't mean I'm not going to do what I can to campaign for the stuff I believe in- like a smaller state. And such campaigning has to be outside DC's image-led centrist Conservative Party. No offence intended- it's just that they're in a different business- ie getting elected, rather than trying to shape policy opinion. Following not leading.
No complaints- naive as I am, for the first time I now understand properly that's the way electoral politics works. And I'm sure I'm not alone.
Best wishes
Wat/Mike
-----Original Message----- From: Less_Government@... [mailto:Less_Government@...] On Behalf Of Serf Sent: 21 January 2006 05:55 To: Less_Government@... Subject: Re: [Less_Government] Conservative Home
Simon
You have obviously misunderstood something. I don't see how you misconstrued the article as anti Cameron, I never meant it to be. I for one, am very happy with the poll numbers since DC won.
Our party has suffered greatly from internal division over the past few years. My feeeling is that the right should focus on something positive rather than sniping at Cameron which will simply strengthen Labour. What we can do is to try and replicate the Conservative Infrastructure they have in the USA.
That way come the next election, we can more easily keep the votes of all wings of the party, whilst having convinced more people of our ideas.
Serf
SIMON LLOYD <simonlloyd1@...> wrote:
hi.
this is the way it is. We all had an agreement. The best man wins. I supported DD.
so this is the thing. fuck off - you asses. DC IS MAKING GREAT GROUND
stop being asses
Serf <eu_serf@...> wrote:
I have an article up on Conservative Home which may be of interest to you:
It is a continuation of some of the ideas that have been talked about, particularly among unhappy Davis supporters.
Serf
PS: I have uopdated the events calendar on right links (I found a couple of good sources). If anyone knows of any others. I would also like to ask anyone who hasn't submitted their blog to do so.
PPS: Get those submissions in for the round up.
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I agree with all you have said in your reply. I hope we all look forward to making David Cameron the next Priminister and to have a better government
simon lloyd
Serf <eu_serf@...> wrote:
Simon
You have obviously misunderstood something. I don't see how you misconstrued the article as anti Cameron, I never meant it to be. I for one, am very happy with the poll numbers since DC won.
Our party has suffered greatly from internal division over the past few years. My feeeling is that the right should focus on something positive rather than sniping at Cameron which will simply strengthen Labour. What we can do is to try and replicate the Conservative Infrastructure they have in the USA.
That way come the next election, we can more easily keep the votes of all wings of the
party, whilst having convinced more people of our ideas.
Serf
SIMON LLOYD <simonlloyd1@...> wrote:
hi.
this is the way it is. We all had an agreement. The best man wins. I supported DD.
so this is the thing. fuck off - you asses. DC IS MAKING GREAT GROUND
stop being asses
Serf <eu_serf@...> wrote:
I have an article up on Conservative Home which may be of interest to you:
It is a continuation of some of the ideas that have been talked about, particularly among unhappy Davis
supporters.
Serf
PS: I have uopdated the events calendar on right links (I found a couple of good sources). If anyone knows of any others. I would also like to ask anyone who hasn't submitted their blog to do so.
PPS: Get those submissions in for the round up.
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You have obviously misunderstood something. I don't see how you misconstrued the article as anti Cameron, I never meant it to be. I for one, am very happy with the poll numbers since DC won.
Our party has suffered greatly from internal division over the past few years. My feeeling is that the right should focus on something positive rather than sniping at Cameron which will simply strengthen Labour. What we can do is to try and replicate the Conservative Infrastructure they have in the USA.
That way come the next election, we can more easily keep the votes of all wings of the party, whilst having convinced more people of our ideas.
Serf
SIMON LLOYD <simonlloyd1@...> wrote:
hi.
this is the way it is. We all
had an agreement. The best man wins. I supported DD.
so this is the thing. fuck off - you asses. DC IS MAKING GREAT GROUND
stop being asses
Serf <eu_serf@...> wrote:
I have an article up on Conservative Home which may be of interest to you:
It is a continuation of some of the ideas that have been talked about, particularly among unhappy Davis supporters.
Serf
PS: I have uopdated the events calendar on right links (I found a couple of good sources). If anyone knows of any others. I would also like to ask anyone who hasn't submitted their blog to do so.
PPS: Get those submissions in for the round up.
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