From: Hattie Coppard <hattie@...>
Reply-To: <LocalWatch@...>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:13:19 +0000
To: <LocalWatch@...>
Subject: Re: [LocalWatch] scooter noise

 
 
 
   

Hi John
I think we should use the Safer police Unit - is that another name for community police?
Good luck
Hattie

John Harding wrote:
 
 


 
Many thanks Hattie and Lisa,
 
I did talk at length to him (and a friend of his). Their main line of argument was that, because they were licenced and insured, 'the police couldn't do a thing' which was what they stuck at for most of my lengthy discussion/argument. I had, I will confess, earlier walked out into the street as he was speeding up Rathcoole Gardens and more or less flagged him down (risking life and limb) to complain and to say I WAS  calling the police! His first words were, 'I'm insured and I have my road tax etc' which I said wasn't the point. I later walked up Harvey Road because I had a hunch that's where he lived and found him at the top, where I apologised for getting angry (the endless patience of the liberal mind!) and then talked about the stress and danger he caused. He grudgingly said sorry at first, while carrying on with fiddling with his bike - I thought he was embarrassed at having me standing there chatting and making jokes and would have preferred aggression - but gradually he retreated into defiance, more or less saying that he was entitled to use the road as a testing ground, that the noise was inevitable because of the engine (!) and that no-one could stop him etc etc and thence once more into the fultility of calling the police. I wouldn't say it was a meeting of minds but the more people speak out the better because it's a problem that tends to recur and it really is quite dangerous in a narrow street like Rathcooole. I always thought the point of the Safer Neighbourhood Police Units was to talk to various youths and point out the pitfalls - I'm inclined to ask our Unit to pay him a call but I won't if people think it's counter-productive. Anyone else witnessed this phenomenon?
 
Best Wishes,
 
John
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----

From: Lisa Saper <mailto:lisasaper@...>  
 
To: LocalWatch@...
 
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:27 AM
 
Subject: RE: [LocalWatch] scooter noise
 

 
   
 

 
 
 

The young man lives at 33 Harvey Road. I believe his name is Jordan (although I could be wrong).  His dad, Mike, is the nicest bloke you will ever meet. Jordan isn’t a “bad‡ kid (young man really)—just irresponsible and immature.  The dangerous scooter riding makes me crazy too. He is going to kill himself or someone else if he keeps it up.   I’ll try to have a word with him this week and let him know that he is the subject of neighbourhood anger/frustration and see if I can talk some sense into him.  In the meantime, I encourage everyone else to talk to him too if they catch him at it. Neighbourhood shaming is likely to have a much greater impact than the police!

Lisa

 
 
 

From: LocalWatch@... [mailto:LocalWatch@...] On Behalf Of Hattie Coppard
 Sent: 07 November 2009 22:57
 To: LocalWatch@...
 Subject: Re: [LocalWatch] scooter noise
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 

Yes I have noticed the odd single speeding scooter. Not the mad races tho of a couple of years ago. Good on you for talking direct to the rider rather than jumping to call the police. I'll try and do the same.
 
Sent from my mobile
 
 
 


On 7 Nov 2009, at 17:26, "John Harding" <jl.harding@...> wrote:
 
 

 

  
 
 
 

anyone witnessed the recurrence of noisy scooters recently? i had words with a white youth/young man this evening who'd been roaring up rathcoole gardens early evening. wheelies etc. just want to know if it's just me or if anyone else has been troubled. he said he was local.
 
 
 
 

 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 

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T: 020 8374 2176
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Many thanks Hattie and Lisa,
 
I did talk at length to him (and a friend of his). Their main line of argument was that, because they were licenced and insured, 'the police couldn't do a thing' which was what they stuck at for most of my lengthy discussion/argument. I had, I will confess, earlier walked out into the street as he was speeding up Rathcoole Gardens and more or less flagged him down (risking life and limb) to complain and to say I WAS  calling the police! His first words were, 'I'm insured and I have my road tax etc' which I said wasn't the point. I later walked up Harvey Road because I had a hunch that's where he lived and found him at the top, where I apologised for getting angry (the endless patience of the liberal mind!) and then talked about the stress and danger he caused. He grudgingly said sorry at first, while carrying on with fiddling with his bike - I thought he was embarrassed at having me standing there chatting and making jokes and would have preferred aggression - but gradually he retreated into defiance, more or less saying that he was entitled to use the road as a testing ground, that the noise was inevitable because of the engine (!) and that no-one could stop him etc etc and thence once more into the fultility of calling the police. I wouldn't say it was a meeting of minds but the more people speak out the better because it's a problem that tends to recur and it really is quite dangerous in a narrow street like Rathcooole. I always thought the point of the Safer Neighbourhood Police Units was to talk to various youths and point out the pitfalls - I'm inclined to ask our Unit to pay him a call but I won't if people think it's counter-productive. Anyone else witnessed this phenomenon?
 
Best Wishes,
 
John
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----

From: Lisa Saper <mailto:lisasaper@...>  
 
To: LocalWatch@...
 
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:27 AM
 
Subject: RE: [LocalWatch] scooter noise
 

 
   
 

 
 
 

The young man lives at 33 Harvey Road. I believe his name is Jordan (although I could be wrong).  His dad, Mike, is the nicest bloke you will ever meet. Jordan isn’t a “bad‡ kid (young man really)—just irresponsible and immature.  The dangerous scooter riding makes me crazy too. He is going to kill himself or someone else if he keeps it up.   I’ll try to have a word with him this week and let him know that he is the subject of neighbourhood anger/frustration and see if I can talk some sense into him.  In the meantime, I encourage everyone else to talk to him too if they catch him at it. Neighbourhood shaming is likely to have a much greater impact than the police!

Lisa

 
 
 

From: LocalWatch@... [mailto:LocalWatch@...] On Behalf Of Hattie Coppard
 Sent: 07 November 2009 22:57
 To: LocalWatch@...
 Subject: Re: [LocalWatch] scooter noise
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 

Yes I have noticed the odd single speeding scooter. Not the mad races tho of a couple of years ago. Good on you for talking direct to the rider rather than jumping to call the police. I'll try and do the same.
 
Sent from my mobile
 
 
 


On 7 Nov 2009, at 17:26, "John Harding" <jl.harding@...> wrote:
 
 

 

  
 
 
 

anyone witnessed the recurrence of noisy scooters recently? i had words with a white youth/young man this evening who'd been roaring up rathcoole gardens early evening. wheelies etc. just want to know if it's just me or if anyone else has been troubled. he said he was local.
 
 
 
 

 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 

--

HATTIE COPPARD
Director

Snug & Outdoor
www.snugandoutdoor.co.uk <http://snugandoutdoor.co.uk>

www.experimentalplaygrounds.blogspot.com <http://experimentalplay.blogspot.com>

T: 020 8374 2176
M: 07834 850905

F: 0870 706 4654

127 RATHCOOLE GARDENS

LONDON N8 9PH

ENGLAND
 
   

 



Many thanks Hattie and Lisa,

I did talk at length to him (and a friend of his). Their main line of argument was that, because they were licenced and insured, 'the police couldn't do a thing' which was what they stuck at for most of my lengthy discussion/argument. I had, I will confess, earlier walked out into the street as he was speeding up Rathcoole Gardens and more or less flagged him down (risking life and limb) to complain and to say I WAS  calling the police! His first words were, 'I'm insured and I have my road tax etc' which I said wasn't the point. I later walked up Harvey Road because I had a hunch that's where he lived and found him at the top, where I apologised for getting angry (the endless patience of the liberal mind!) and then talked about the stress and danger he caused. He grudgingly said sorry at first, while carrying on with fiddling with his bike - I thought he was embarrassed at having me standing there chatting and making jokes and would have preferred aggression - but gradually he retreated into defiance, more or less saying that he was entitled to use the road as a testing ground, that the noise was inevitable because of the engine (!) and that no-one could stop him etc etc and thence once more into the fultility of calling the police. I wouldn't say it was a meeting of minds but the more people speak out the better because it's a problem that tends to recur and it really is quite dangerous in a narrow street like Rathcooole. I always thought the point of the Safer Neighbourhood Police Units was to talk to various youths and point out the pitfalls - I'm inclined to ask our Unit to pay him a call but I won't if people think it's counter-productive. Anyone else witnessed this phenomenon?

Best Wishes,

John

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Lisa Saper

To: LocalWatch@yahoogroups.co.uk

Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:27 AM

Subject: RE: [LocalWatch] scooter noise

 

The young man lives at 33 Harvey Road. I believe his name is Jordan (although I could be wrong).  His dad, Mike, is the nicest bloke you will ever meet. Jordan isn’t a “bad” kid (young man really)—just irresponsible and immature.  The dangerous scooter riding makes me crazy too. He is going to kill himself or someone else if he keeps it up.   I’ll try to have a word with him this week and let him know that he is the subject of neighbourhood anger/frustration and see if I can talk some sense into him.  In the meantime, I encourage everyone else to talk to him too if they catch him at it. Neighbourhood shaming is likely to have a much greater impact than the police!

Lisa

From: LocalWatch@yahoogroups.co.uk [mailto:LocalWatch@yahoogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of Hattie Coppard
Sent: 07 November 2009 22:57
To: LocalWatch@yahoogroups.co.uk
Subject: Re: [LocalWatch] scooter noise

 

Yes I have noticed the odd single speeding scooter. Not the mad races tho of a couple of years ago. Good on you for talking direct to the rider rather than jumping to call the police. I'll try and do the same. 

Sent from my mobile

On 7 Nov 2009, at 17:26, "John Harding" <jl.harding@virgin.net> wrote:

 

anyone witnessed the recurrence of noisy scooters recently? i had words with a white youth/young man this evening who'd been roaring up rathcoole gardens early evening. wheelies etc. just want to know if it's just me or if anyone else has been troubled. he said he was local.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lisa Saper

To: LocalWatch@...

Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:27 AM

Subject: RE: [LocalWatch] scooter noise

 

The young man lives at 33 Harvey Road. I believe his name is Jordan (although I could be wrong).  His dad, Mike, is the nicest bloke you will ever meet. Jordan isn’t a “bad” kid (young man really)—just irresponsible and immature.  The dangerous scooter riding makes me crazy too. He is going to kill himself or someone else if he keeps it up.   I’ll try to have a word with him this week and let him know that he is the subject of neighbourhood anger/frustration and see if I can talk some sense into him.  In the meantime, I encourage everyone else to talk to him too if they catch him at it. Neighbourhood shaming is likely to have a much greater impact than the police!

Lisa

From: LocalWatch@yahoogroups.co.uk [mailto:LocalWatch@yahoogroups.co.uk] On Behalf Of Hattie Coppard
Sent: 07 November 2009 22:57
To: LocalWatch@yahoogroups.co.uk
Subject: Re: [LocalWatch] scooter noise

 

Yes I have noticed the odd single speeding scooter. Not the mad races tho of a couple of years ago. Good on you for talking direct to the rider rather than jumping to call the police. I'll try and do the same. 

Sent from my mobile

On 7 Nov 2009, at 17:26, "John Harding" <jl.harding@virgin.net> wrote:

 

anyone witnessed the recurrence of noisy scooters recently? i had words with a white youth/young man this evening who'd been roaring up rathcoole gardens early evening. wheelies etc. just want to know if it's just me or if anyone else has been troubled. he said he was local.

 

anyone witnessed the recurrence of noisy scooters recently? i had words with a white youth/young man this evening who'd been roaring up rathcoole gardens early evening. wheelies etc. just want to know if it's just me or if anyone else has been troubled. he said he was local.