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Proposed changes in the UK

Hi List!

I just found this list thru Darcy's blog and must say I am very
pleased to have a list for MVD. We have been testing since late in
1992. It is wonderful to find a site where MVD can be discussed openly!

I am very aware that many - far too many - regular vets cannot hear
murmurs much below a Grade III/VI, so I think that the use of
specialists becoming the standard is an excellent one.

The concern about excluding dogs with non-pathological murmurs (such
as flow murmurs or other innocent murmurs) can be addressed by having
a recheck subsequent to the initial failed auscultation, followed by a
Doppler exam should a murmur still be audible.

I am not sure what Mr Swift intended by his reference to a Doppler at
age 5 being used to determine the breeding status of both the dog and
his/her progeny. Does anyone have any more details on that?

Hilarie
















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What do members think of this which has been highlighted on the Cavalier Club UK site. I personally favour echocardiography as a way forward, this can only...
elligems1946
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May 25, 2006
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Compared to auscultation, which is a fancy name for listening to the heart through a stethoscope, echocardiography is much more accurate and much more...
Rod Russell
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May 29, 2006
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Is there a relationship between how much leakage and backflow one would expect to see with echocardiography and what grade murmur a cardiologist rated the dog...
Carolyn Peterson
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May 29, 2006
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I have found that the cardiologists first will listen to the murmur with a stethoscope and determine the grade of the murmur. Then, if they decide to use the...
Rod Russell
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May 29, 2006
5:38 pm

Hi Rod and Carolyn too, this is what happened to Ellie in her case the leakage was greater than what could be heard on the stethoscope. Her medication was...
Anita
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May 29, 2006
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Anita, I agree that echocardiography is more accurate and therefore often a better procedure for diagnosing the degree of MVD for treatment purposes. But I...
Rod Russell
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May 29, 2006
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The Cavalier that prompted my question had the following (all within a short period of time) General vet 1 -- dog has a low grade murmur Cardiologist -- dog is...
Carolyn Peterson
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May 29, 2006
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Carolyn: Depending upon how much is a "small amount of leakage", I am told that the echocardiographs will pick up a small amount of leakage in almost any...
Rod Russell
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May 29, 2006
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Thank you for your response. I do wonder if general vets sometimes "find" things that are not there, because they expect them to be. Over five years ago, our...
Carolyn Peterson
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May 30, 2006
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I have a Cavalier who will be seven in October. Our general vet listened to her heart very carefully and for some considerable time when she had her annual...
Janine Wood
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May 30, 2006
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Hi Janine, I would agree with you in thinking if your vet says she was "fine" nothing abnormal has been detected on that visit. Having had dogs myself who had...
elligems1946
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Jun 4, 2006
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Hi List! I just found this list thru Darcy's blog and must say I am very pleased to have a list for MVD. We have been testing since late in 1992. It is...
Hob Nob
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Jun 4, 2006
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Hi Hilarie, Darcy's blog is brilliant and we are very grateful that we can link to Darcy's site. I agree many regular vets cannot hear murmurs below a Grade...
elligems1946
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Jun 4, 2006
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Hi Hilarie, My interpretation (could be mistaken) is that the doppler at age 5 would mean a new definition of "clear". Flow murmurs would be ok, so some who ...
MaryBelle
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Jun 4, 2006
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I was not aware that flow murmurs were being mis-diagnosed as MVD murmurs by auscultation. I thought cardiologists could tell the difference. The real problem...
Rod Russell
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Jun 5, 2006
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... Actually, misdiagnosis of flow murmurs even by the best of cardiologists is not at all unheard of. Most of the situations that I have heard of involve...
Hob Nob
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Jun 5, 2006
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Dr. Jens Häggström, a notable cardiologist in Sweden, wrote in a recently presented paper to the 2006 North American Veterinary Conference that: "[Cavaliers]...
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