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#1453 From: "rod_russell_sm" <RodRussell@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:22 pm
Subject: New Guidelines for the Diagnosis and Treatment of MVD
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A panel of leading veterinary cardiologists (Atkins, Bonagura, Ettinger, Fox,
Gordon, Haggstrom, Hamlin, Keene, Luis-Fuentes, and Stepien) have just published
a Consensus Statement on "Guidelines for the Diagnosis and Treatment of Canine
Chronic Valvular Heart Disease."  It discusses classifying the degree of
progression of MVD -- Stages A, B1, B2, C, and D -- and the types of treatment
recommended for each stage.

In the report, Cavaliers are singled out for special attention. For example,
every CKCS which does not have an MVD murmur is in the Stage A classification.

The Guidelines are summarized at
http://cavalierhealth.org/mitral_valve_disease.htm#ACVIM_Consensus_Statement (or
http://tinyurl.com/ycexlj9 for short)

and a pdf of the report is available, for a short time only, at
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/122604679/PDFSTART
--
Rod Russell
Orlando, Florida

#1452 From: "garyyu57" <garyyu57@...>
Date: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:10 am
Subject: I like nude rallies and have fun.
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Hello,

Sent a IM message to you but did not get through.  I would like to meet some people that ride and like to get out and have a good time. I would also like to meet a guy / people that ride and have other similar interests. Hit the road early and ride all day, but always nice to get out at night too be it on bike or not.  I like nude rallies and have fun.

I am online  http://toseekbikers.beep.com/files/profile.html and let's chat now. Wait for your message.

Regards,


#1451 From: sally.sam@...
Date: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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I am so sorry to hear that, Laura.   Perhaps it can be safely
removed.  We will be thinking of you.  Sally and Sammy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura" <laura_griffith@...>
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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:37:11 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 

just wanted to update everyone. thank you so much for the information.

unfortunately we got bad news. ironically after being tracked for MVD for 5 years his heart is not the issue. he has a tumor on his liver.

Laura


#1450 From: "Laura" <laura_griffith@...>
Date: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:04 am
Subject: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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unfortunately none of the vets are very optimistic.  There seem to be some
strange growths on his intestines as well so they believe the cancer is likely
malignant and has spread.   Given his age and other issues I don't want to put
him through too much.

Again I thank you all for your support and wish you the best of luck with your
beautiful dogs.  The best breed ever.  We were so lucky to have our loving guy
for 13 years.

#1449 From: Robert Curtis <curtisre@...>
Date: Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:55 am
Subject: Re: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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Laura,
Sorry to hear this news.  Do you know if the tumor is benign? Once you know that you will have a better idea of your options. Let's hope for the best. If you live near a university veterinary school you may want to contact them for a consultation. They are a great resource.

Sadly, organ failure is fairly common in the geriatric dog.  I know you will make the best decision you can, if and when the time comes. In the mean time you may want to join an on-line support group, like our MVD Cavaliers except for canine liver disorders, so you'll have an idea of what to expect.  There are a couple Yahoo groups that you may want to consider.

Like many of our members, I too can empathize with your situation. Our two "boys" crossed the Rainbow Bridge earlier this year - a Blenheim 10 1/2 yrs old to MVD  in January and then his father and our champion Ruby 12 1/2 yrs old (grade 4 murmur) to kidney failure in April . We were members of the K9 Kidney group for a short time and it was very helpful. Fortunately we still have our tri-color girl, Cindy, 6 yrs old and heart clear.

Depending on the biopsy results, if you  decide to consider chemotherapy or some other treatment for your "boy" you may want consider a specialist. My parents Cavalier was diagnosed with cancer of the lymplymph nods she underwent treatment 18 months ago. The cancer is in remission and "JoJo" is approaching her 14th birthday. The contact information for the vet follows:

Tracy A. LaDue, DVM, DACVIM (SAIM), DACVR

Medical and Radiation Oncologist

Southeast Veterinary Oncology

Jacksonville, Florida

(904) 278-3870


Hope some of this information is helpful.

Bob

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Laura <laura_griffith@...> wrote:

From: Laura <laura_griffith@...>
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
To: MVDincavaliers@...
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 1:37 PM

 

just wanted to update everyone. thank you so much for the information.

unfortunately we got bad news. ironically after being tracked for MVD for 5 years his heart is not the issue. he has a tumor on his liver.

Laura



#1448 From: Carol Theisen <caroltheisen@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:49 pm
Subject: Re: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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Laura,
 
I am so sorry to hear this..what can be done??
 
Carol
 

 


From: Laura <laura_griffith@...>
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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:37:11 PM
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 

just wanted to update everyone. thank you so much for the information.

unfortunately we got bad news. ironically after being tracked for MVD for 5 years his heart is not the issue. he has a tumor on his liver.

Laura


#1447 From: "Pat Howard" <pahoward@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:12 pm
Subject: Re: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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Laura, I'm so sorry to hear about his tumor, it must have been heartbreaking to learn that.  You'll be in my thoughts,
Pat Howard

#1446 From: "Debra" <dkorenstein@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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So sorry - I know how hard it is to get scary news.  I will hope for the best
and keep you both in my thoughts.

Best,
Debbie

--- In MVDincavaliers@..., "Laura" <laura_griffith@...> wrote:
>
> just wanted to update everyone. thank you so much for the information.
>
> unfortunately we got bad news.   ironically after being tracked for MVD for 5
years his heart is not the issue.   he has a tumor on his liver.
>
> Laura
>

#1445 From: BMark9@...
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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Oh Laura
Am sorry  :(  Is he operable?

Barb


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 12:37 pm
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 
just wanted to update everyone. thank you so much for the information.

unfortunately we got bad news. ironically after being tracked for MVD for 5 years his heart is not the issue. he has a tumor on his liver.

Laura


#1444 From: "Laura" <laura_griffith@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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just wanted to update everyone. thank you so much for the information.

unfortunately we got bad news.   ironically after being tracked for MVD for 5
years his heart is not the issue.   he has a tumor on his liver.

Laura

#1443 From: sally.sam@...
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: Mitral Valve Replacement
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Thanks, Carolyn - reading that article makes me want to call Dr. Orton
right now!    But he is only doing 1-2 surgeries of this nature a year
now, apparently, so what are the odds your dog would be the
one or two.  I see he receives lots of emails.  On the other hand,
what's one more!

Many thanks, interesting heartwarming article,
Sally

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Peterson" <carolp@...>
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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:39:29 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] Mitral Valve Replacement

 

CSU only does one or two heart surgeries a year now.  An article about one Dr. Orton did earlier this year for Sara Gruen's dog earlier this year is at this link.
http://www.today.colostate.edu/story.aspx?id=1269

At one time I thought I read that a dog needs to weigh 20 pounds for the heart lung machine to work well during the surgery.  I do not know if that is still the case.

Carolyn Peterson
Colorado



A couple of months ago, I brought it up to our old cardiologist again and she said she would contact Dr. Ortin in CO [...]

A week ago, our present cardiologist said that they are no longer doing it in Colorado. 
  


By Sara B. HansenThe Coloradoan

Best-seller's puppy gets a new heart valve at CSU 

Gruen, the New York Times best-selling author of Water for Elephants, got the puppy, whose parents are a therapy dog and a police dog, after the family's 14-year-old dog died of lymphoma.

The puppy's heart defect, a leaky valve, was discovered as a heart murmur during a routine wellness check when Sophie was getting some of her puppy shots.

At first it didn't seem serious, but by the time the puppy went in for her final set of shots, the ultrasound results were grim. The right side of Sophie's heart was four times the size of the left, and the vet gave her two months to live.

"It was a sucker punch," Gruen said. "We'd just lost a dog. I didn't think we and the kids could go through that again."

Turned to the Internet

She turned to the Internet and quickly learned that not only is the James L. Voss Veterinary Teaching Hospital one of the few places in the country to get a heart valve replacement surgery, but Dr. Chris Orton (pictured below) has one of the highest success rates with open-heart surgeries to replace faulty valves.

Orton has been performing open-heart surgeries on dogs since 1991, and started replacing canine heart valves in 1996. He's performed more than 100 such surgeries, including a 2005 heart valve replacement on a nine-month old yellow Labrador who belonged to seven-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong.

The demand for the surgeries is high, but Colorado State University now does only one or two per year. "We've scaled back. We just don't have the resources to run a national referral service," Orton said.

The surgeries are labor intensive for Orton, the anesthesiologists and the critical care team. "I wish we had more resources," Orton said. "I get weekly e-mails from people asking me about the possibility of doing the surgery." Neither Orton nor Gruen would say how much Sophie's surgery cost.

Relentless appeals to save Sophie

Gruen was relentless in her appeals to Orton. She bombarded him with tearful voice mail messages begging him to save Sophie.  "I can be very persuasive," she said. "I was begging, crying, pleading on his voice mail. She had one valve that was wrong. Otherwise she was perfectly healthy."

Orton hoped to do Sophie's surgery in July when she was older, but her heart deteriorated too quickly.  He replaced her leaky valve with a porcine bio plastic heart valve. The body is less likely to reject the pig valves, which last 10 to 15 years in people.

Sophie has new porcine bio plastic heart valve

"I hope in this case, it will last a lifetime," Orton said. "This will significantly extend her life. She wouldn't have made it to a year without the surgery."

Sophie will be on blood thinners for three months to make sure she doesn't develop any clots, but then should live a normal life.

"She's got a few things on her side," Orton said. "She's young and she's a dog. She can handle it."

Astonishing changes

Sophie had her surgery April 7 and by the next weekend was able to leave the hospital and stay at a Fort Collins hotel with Gruen. She's been coming to the vet hospital for daily blood tests.

On Friday, she had another blood test and a final heart ultrasound. The comparison between her pre-surgery ultrasound and her Friday ultrasound were dramatic.

"I'm seeing astonishing changes," Gruen said. "At first she was sleeping a lot, but now she wants to play." Sophie, who is underweight, is getting her appetite back. On Thursday, she ate 1ΒΌ chicken and two cans of dog food.

Author made local appearance to read from "Water for Elephants"

During her stay in Fort Collins, Gruen stopped into Reader's Cove book store, 1001 E. Harmony Road, unit C. "I love indie book stores. The indies made my career," she said.

Gruen walked in and introduced herself and asked what she could do to help the store. Owner Charles Kaine said, "I need to shake your hand. You helped me sell a lot of books." On Friday night, Gruen read from "Water for Elephants" and autographed books at Readers Cove.

Sunday, Gruen and Sophie flew home to North Carolina, where they rejoined the rest of the family: Gruen's husband, three children, two goats, two horses, four cats and another dog.

------------------------------------

Story and photos reprinted with permission from the Coloradoan. Originally published in the Coloradoan, Sunday, April 19, 2009.



#1442 From: sally.sam@...
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:01 pm
Subject: Re: Mitral Valve Replacement
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Thank you very much, Karla, for the informative response.
I have been wondering about this for so long.  It does
not sound like a good alternative, all things considered,
but I may check into it anyway (with CSU, my alma mater!).

If learn information that might be helpful to the group, I will post it.

MANY THANKS,
Sally - and Sammy, too

----- Original Message -----
From: "KCD" <doglovercentral@...>
To: MVDincavaliers@...
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:07:03 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] Mitral Valve Replacement

 

Hi Sally,
 
I did look into the surgery about 2 yrs ago, thinking my dog was still very healthy and strong, this would be the time to do it..  At that time, our cardiologist said that the surgery was not that successful (but could not give me numbers) and that our dog's murmur was very slight and progressing very slowly.  She thought that the MVD would not be the thing to bring him down and that the risk was not worth it.   Yes, they were doing it in CO and TX at the vet schools.
 
She said that the CO group has the most success.  The cost is 8-16K depending on if the valve is donated or if they have to wait for a valve and harvest it from an animal (bovine or pig valves are used).  Lance Armstrong took his pup there a few yrs ago. It was a very young puppy, and he did well.  My understanding is that there is a long waiting list as they only do 20-30 per yr.  It requires a couple of days of hospitalization and a team of 6 people are involved in the surgery.
 
A couple of months ago, I brought it up to our old cardiologist again and she said she would contact Dr. Ortin in CO and discuss it with him.  I called a week later and she said she would get back with me.  I have not heard from her to date.
 
A week ago, our present cardiologist said that they are no longer doing it in Colorado.  (Possibly why she never got back with me.)  You might want to check- I am not sure they are not doing it, she just thought they were not.
 
They are replacing the chords in the mitral valve at a vet school in Japan.  They have had some success with that.  They use a synthetic material.  Time will tell how that works out.  None of the cardiologists I spoke with about that knew of any place in the US where they are even experimenting with that method.  That is not to say that nobody is.  It was discussed at a Veterinary Cardiology Conference in the US recently but none of the vets I asked about it was at the conference.
 
My dog is now in CHF and the meds are working wonderfully.  I had some regrets that I did not actively persue the surgery earlier- but my impession, it is still very risky and  expensive.  Driving would be the only option to get your pet to and from surgery. 
 
Hope this helps.   
Karla


From: "sally.sam@..." <sally.sam@...>
To: MVDincavaliers@...
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 10:46:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 

This may be a shocking question!  But, has anyone in this
group ever considered open heart surgery to replace the Mitral
Valve?  I keep reading about this surgery at universities
in Colorado and Texas and wonder if it works, is it worth putting
our beloved dogs through it, and what it costs.  Or are the
medications so effective these days that surgery is an
ill-advised option.  If anyone has any experience with a surgical
solution, please advise.
Thanks!
Sally
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barb Hoorman" <BMark9@...>
To: MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:37:01 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 

Good luck ... It is always scarey you our hearts when their hearts are involved :)

Barb

On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Laura Griffith <laura_griffith@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

They did do an xray and the radiologist felt that heart was possible although likely not the issue.   They also did blood work and analysis on the fluid.   All were inconclusive but vet felt strongly felt we were dealing with some kind of cancer and was suggesting ultrasound since dog is not having any respiratory issues.   Thus my question about whether anyone else's dog has stomach fluid but no coughing.

My dog has had a loud murmur for some time although only moderate enlargement.   I am planning to take him to the cardiologist tomorrow despite what they say, maybe it will be a waste but we'll see.   He is all bloated and we need to do something, not sure how long he can go on like this.
 

Laura Griffith
mailto:laura_griffith@yahoo. com



From: Barb Hoorman <BMark9@...>
To: "MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk" <MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk>
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 10:22:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 

Hi laura
I am curious what has been done so far on your dog? I am a little perplexed how a possible fluid buildup due to heart could not be detected as I would think the backflow would be quite loud. Did your vet at the very least xray the abdomen?

Barb

On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:14 PM, lynn williams <bellacavalier@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

http://www.vet.upenn.edu/ Portals/0/ media/Congestive %20Heart% 20Failure. pdf
Fluid in the abdomen is a symptom of right heart failure,often seen with tricuspid valve disease.MVD can worsen a diseased tricuspsid.The meds used are the same as with MVD but your vet may withdraw the fluid from the abdomen as welllynn.
 

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Laura <laura_griffith@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Laura <laura_griffith@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing
To: MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 5:23 PM

 
My dog is 13 and we have been following his MVD for a number of years. Last Saturday we noticed he wasn't eating well and his abdomen was distended. Our normal vet feels that this is not a heart issue and suspects cancer and wants to do an ultrasound. My aunt works at a large emergency vet clinic and had them look over my dogs lab work and they felt it WAS related to heart.

Any one else have dog with ascites but no coughing or lung issues.

Thank you so much for any information.


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#1441 From: Carolyn Peterson <carolp@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:39 pm
Subject: Mitral Valve Replacement
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CSU only does one or two heart surgeries a year now.  An article about one Dr. Orton did earlier this year for Sara Gruen's dog earlier this year is at this link.
http://www.today.colostate.edu/story.aspx?id=1269

At one time I thought I read that a dog needs to weigh 20 pounds for the heart lung machine to work well during the surgery.  I do not know if that is still the case.

Carolyn Peterson
Colorado



A couple of months ago, I brought it up to our old cardiologist again and she said she would contact Dr. Ortin in CO [...]
A week ago, our present cardiologist said that they are no longer doing it in Colorado. 


By Sara B. HansenThe Coloradoan

Best-seller's puppy gets a new heart valve at CSU 

Gruen, the New York Times best-selling author of Water for Elephants, got the puppy, whose parents are a therapy dog and a police dog, after the family's 14-year-old dog died of lymphoma.

The puppy's heart defect, a leaky valve, was discovered as a heart murmur during a routine wellness check when Sophie was getting some of her puppy shots.

At first it didn't seem serious, but by the time the puppy went in for her final set of shots, the ultrasound results were grim. The right side of Sophie's heart was four times the size of the left, and the vet gave her two months to live.

"It was a sucker punch," Gruen said. "We'd just lost a dog. I didn't think we and the kids could go through that again."

Turned to the Internet

She turned to the Internet and quickly learned that not only is the James L. Voss Veterinary Teaching Hospital one of the few places in the country to get a heart valve replacement surgery, but Dr. Chris Orton (pictured below) has one of the highest success rates with open-heart surgeries to replace faulty valves.

Orton has been performing open-heart surgeries on dogs since 1991, and started replacing canine heart valves in 1996. He's performed more than 100 such surgeries, including a 2005 heart valve replacement on a nine-month old yellow Labrador who belonged to seven-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong.

The demand for the surgeries is high, but Colorado State University now does only one or two per year. "We've scaled back. We just don't have the resources to run a national referral service," Orton said.

The surgeries are labor intensive for Orton, the anesthesiologists and the critical care team. "I wish we had more resources," Orton said. "I get weekly e-mails from people asking me about the possibility of doing the surgery." Neither Orton nor Gruen would say how much Sophie's surgery cost.

Relentless appeals to save Sophie

Gruen was relentless in her appeals to Orton. She bombarded him with tearful voice mail messages begging him to save Sophie.  "I can be very persuasive," she said. "I was begging, crying, pleading on his voice mail. She had one valve that was wrong. Otherwise she was perfectly healthy."

Orton hoped to do Sophie's surgery in July when she was older, but her heart deteriorated too quickly.  He replaced her leaky valve with a porcine bio plastic heart valve. The body is less likely to reject the pig valves, which last 10 to 15 years in people.

Sophie has new porcine bio plastic heart valve

"I hope in this case, it will last a lifetime," Orton said. "This will significantly extend her life. She wouldn't have made it to a year without the surgery."

Sophie will be on blood thinners for three months to make sure she doesn't develop any clots, but then should live a normal life.

"She's got a few things on her side," Orton said. "She's young and she's a dog. She can handle it."

Astonishing changes

Sophie had her surgery April 7 and by the next weekend was able to leave the hospital and stay at a Fort Collins hotel with Gruen. She's been coming to the vet hospital for daily blood tests.

On Friday, she had another blood test and a final heart ultrasound. The comparison between her pre-surgery ultrasound and her Friday ultrasound were dramatic.

"I'm seeing astonishing changes," Gruen said. "At first she was sleeping a lot, but now she wants to play." Sophie, who is underweight, is getting her appetite back. On Thursday, she ate 1¼ chicken and two cans of dog food.

Author made local appearance to read from "Water for Elephants"

During her stay in Fort Collins, Gruen stopped into Reader's Cove book store, 1001 E. Harmony Road, unit C. "I love indie book stores. The indies made my career," she said.

Gruen walked in and introduced herself and asked what she could do to help the store. Owner Charles Kaine said, "I need to shake your hand. You helped me sell a lot of books." On Friday night, Gruen read from "Water for Elephants" and autographed books at Readers Cove.

Sunday, Gruen and Sophie flew home to North Carolina, where they rejoined the rest of the family: Gruen's husband, three children, two goats, two horses, four cats and another dog.

------------------------------------

Story and photos reprinted with permission from the Coloradoan. Originally published in the Coloradoan, Sunday, April 19, 2009.



#1440 From: KCD <doglovercentral@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:07 am
Subject: Mitral Valve Replacement
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Hi Sally,
 
I did look into the surgery about 2 yrs ago, thinking my dog was still very healthy and strong, this would be the time to do it..  At that time, our cardiologist said that the surgery was not that successful (but could not give me numbers) and that our dog's murmur was very slight and progressing very slowly.  She thought that the MVD would not be the thing to bring him down and that the risk was not worth it.   Yes, they were doing it in CO and TX at the vet schools.
 
She said that the CO group has the most success.  The cost is 8-16K depending on if the valve is donated or if they have to wait for a valve and harvest it from an animal (bovine or pig valves are used).  Lance Armstrong took his pup there a few yrs ago. It was a very young puppy, and he did well.  My understanding is that there is a long waiting list as they only do 20-30 per yr.  It requires a couple of days of hospitalization and a team of 6 people are involved in the surgery.
 
A couple of months ago, I brought it up to our old cardiologist again and she said she would contact Dr. Ortin in CO and discuss it with him.  I called a week later and she said she would get back with me.  I have not heard from her to date.
 
A week ago, our present cardiologist said that they are no longer doing it in Colorado.  (Possibly why she never got back with me.)  You might want to check- I am not sure they are not doing it, she just thought they were not.
 
They are replacing the chords in the mitral valve at a vet school in Japan.  They have had some success with that.  They use a synthetic material.  Time will tell how that works out.  None of the cardiologists I spoke with about that knew of any place in the US where they are even experimenting with that method.  That is not to say that nobody is.  It was discussed at a Veterinary Cardiology Conference in the US recently but none of the vets I asked about it was at the conference.
 
My dog is now in CHF and the meds are working wonderfully.  I had some regrets that I did not actively persue the surgery earlier- but my impession, it is still very risky and  expensive.  Driving would be the only option to get your pet to and from surgery. 
 
Hope this helps.   
Karla


From: "sally.sam@..." <sally.sam@...>
To: MVDincavaliers@...
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 10:46:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 

This may be a shocking question!  But, has anyone in this
group ever considered open heart surgery to replace the Mitral
Valve?  I keep reading about this surgery at universities
in Colorado and Texas and wonder if it works, is it worth putting
our beloved dogs through it, and what it costs.  Or are the
medications so effective these days that surgery is an
ill-advised option.  If anyone has any experience with a surgical
solution, please advise.
Thanks!
Sally
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barb Hoorman" <BMark9@...>
To: MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:37:01 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 

Good luck ... It is always scarey you our hearts when their hearts are involved :)

Barb

On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Laura Griffith <laura_griffith@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

They did do an xray and the radiologist felt that heart was possible although likely not the issue.   They also did blood work and analysis on the fluid.   All were inconclusive but vet felt strongly felt we were dealing with some kind of cancer and was suggesting ultrasound since dog is not having any respiratory issues.   Thus my question about whether anyone else's dog has stomach fluid but no coughing.

My dog has had a loud murmur for some time although only moderate enlargement.   I am planning to take him to the cardiologist tomorrow despite what they say, maybe it will be a waste but we'll see.   He is all bloated and we need to do something, not sure how long he can go on like this.
 

Laura Griffith
mailto:laura_griffith@yahoo. com



From: Barb Hoorman <BMark9@...>
To: "MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk" <MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk>
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 10:22:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 

Hi laura
I am curious what has been done so far on your dog? I am a little perplexed how a possible fluid buildup due to heart could not be detected as I would think the backflow would be quite loud. Did your vet at the very least xray the abdomen?

Barb

On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:14 PM, lynn williams <bellacavalier@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

http://www.vet.upenn.edu/ Portals/0/ media/Congestive %20Heart% 20Failure. pdf
Fluid in the abdomen is a symptom of right heart failure,often seen with tricuspid valve disease.MVD can worsen a diseased tricuspsid.The meds used are the same as with MVD but your vet may withdraw the fluid from the abdomen as welllynn.
 

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Laura <laura_griffith@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Laura <laura_griffith@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing
To: MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 5:23 PM

 
My dog is 13 and we have been following his MVD for a number of years. Last Saturday we noticed he wasn't eating well and his abdomen was distended. Our normal vet feels that this is not a heart issue and suspects cancer and wants to do an ultrasound. My aunt works at a large emergency vet clinic and had them look over my dogs lab work and they felt it WAS related to heart.

Any one else have dog with ascites but no coughing or lung issues.

Thank you so much for any information.


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#1439 From: sally.sam@...
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:46 am
Subject: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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This may be a shocking question!  But, has anyone in this
group ever considered open heart surgery to replace the Mitral
Valve?  I keep reading about this surgery at universities
in Colorado and Texas and wonder if it works, is it worth putting
our beloved dogs through it, and what it costs.  Or are the
medications so effective these days that surgery is an
ill-advised option.  If anyone has any experience with a surgical
solution, please advise.
Thanks!
Sally
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barb Hoorman" <BMark9@...>
To: MVDincavaliers@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:37:01 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 

Good luck ... It is always scarey you our hearts when their hearts are involved :)

Barb

On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Laura Griffith <laura_griffith@...> wrote:

 

They did do an xray and the radiologist felt that heart was possible although likely not the issue.   They also did blood work and analysis on the fluid.   All were inconclusive but vet felt strongly felt we were dealing with some kind of cancer and was suggesting ultrasound since dog is not having any respiratory issues.   Thus my question about whether anyone else's dog has stomach fluid but no coughing.

My dog has had a loud murmur for some time although only moderate enlargement.   I am planning to take him to the cardiologist tomorrow despite what they say, maybe it will be a waste but we'll see.   He is all bloated and we need to do something, not sure how long he can go on like this.
 

Laura Griffith
mailto:laura_griffith@...



From: Barb Hoorman <BMark9@...>
To: "MVDincavaliers@..." <MVDincavaliers@...>
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 10:22:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 

Hi laura
I am curious what has been done so far on your dog? I am a little perplexed how a possible fluid buildup due to heart could not be detected as I would think the backflow would be quite loud. Did your vet at the very least xray the abdomen?

Barb

On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:14 PM, lynn williams <bellacavalier@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

http://www.vet.upenn.edu/ Portals/0/ media/Congestive %20Heart% 20Failure. pdf
Fluid in the abdomen is a symptom of right heart failure,often seen with tricuspid valve disease.MVD can worsen a diseased tricuspsid.The meds used are the same as with MVD but your vet may withdraw the fluid from the abdomen as welllynn.
 

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Laura <laura_griffith@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Laura <laura_griffith@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing
To: MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 5:23 PM

 
My dog is 13 and we have been following his MVD for a number of years. Last Saturday we noticed he wasn't eating well and his abdomen was distended. Our normal vet feels that this is not a heart issue and suspects cancer and wants to do an ultrasound. My aunt works at a large emergency vet clinic and had them look over my dogs lab work and they felt it WAS related to heart.

Any one else have dog with ascites but no coughing or lung issues.

Thank you so much for any information.


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#1438 From: Barb Hoorman <BMark9@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:37 am
Subject: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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Good luck ... It is always scarey you our hearts when their hearts are involved :)

Barb

On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Laura Griffith <laura_griffith@...> wrote:

 

They did do an xray and the radiologist felt that heart was possible although likely not the issue.   They also did blood work and analysis on the fluid.   All were inconclusive but vet felt strongly felt we were dealing with some kind of cancer and was suggesting ultrasound since dog is not having any respiratory issues.   Thus my question about whether anyone else's dog has stomach fluid but no coughing.

My dog has had a loud murmur for some time although only moderate enlargement.   I am planning to take him to the cardiologist tomorrow despite what they say, maybe it will be a waste but we'll see.   He is all bloated and we need to do something, not sure how long he can go on like this.
 

Laura Griffith
mailto:laura_griffith@yahoo.com



From: Barb Hoorman <BMark9@...>
To: "MVDincavaliers@yahoogroups.co.uk" <MVDincavaliers@yahoogroups.co.uk>
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 10:22:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 

Hi laura
I am curious what has been done so far on your dog? I am a little perplexed how a possible fluid buildup due to heart could not be detected as I would think the backflow would be quite loud. Did your vet at the very least xray the abdomen?

Barb

On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:14 PM, lynn williams <bellacavalier@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

http://www.vet.upenn.edu/ Portals/0/ media/Congestive %20Heart% 20Failure. pdf
Fluid in the abdomen is a symptom of right heart failure,often seen with tricuspid valve disease.MVD can worsen a diseased tricuspsid.The meds used are the same as with MVD but your vet may withdraw the fluid from the abdomen as welllynn.
 

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Laura <laura_griffith@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Laura <laura_griffith@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing
To: MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 5:23 PM

 
My dog is 13 and we have been following his MVD for a number of years. Last Saturday we noticed he wasn't eating well and his abdomen was distended. Our normal vet feels that this is not a heart issue and suspects cancer and wants to do an ultrasound. My aunt works at a large emergency vet clinic and had them look over my dogs lab work and they felt it WAS related to heart.

Any one else have dog with ascites but no coughing or lung issues.

Thank you so much for any information.


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#1437 From: Laura Griffith <laura_griffith@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:30 am
Subject: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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They did do an xray and the radiologist felt that heart was possible although likely not the issue.   They also did blood work and analysis on the fluid.   All were inconclusive but vet felt strongly felt we were dealing with some kind of cancer and was suggesting ultrasound since dog is not having any respiratory issues.   Thus my question about whether anyone else's dog has stomach fluid but no coughing.

My dog has had a loud murmur for some time although only moderate enlargement.   I am planning to take him to the cardiologist tomorrow despite what they say, maybe it will be a waste but we'll see.   He is all bloated and we need to do something, not sure how long he can go on like this.
 

Laura Griffith
mailto:laura_griffith@...



From: Barb Hoorman <BMark9@...>
To: "MVDincavaliers@..." <MVDincavaliers@...>
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 10:22:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 

Hi laura
I am curious what has been done so far on your dog? I am a little perplexed how a possible fluid buildup due to heart could not be detected as I would think the backflow would be quite loud. Did your vet at the very least xray the abdomen?

Barb

On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:14 PM, lynn williams <bellacavalier@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

http://www.vet.upenn.edu/ Portals/0/ media/Congestive %20Heart% 20Failure. pdf
Fluid in the abdomen is a symptom of right heart failure,often seen with tricuspid valve disease.MVD can worsen a diseased tricuspsid.The meds used are the same as with MVD but your vet may withdraw the fluid from the abdomen as welllynn.
 

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Laura <laura_griffith@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Laura <laura_griffith@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing
To: MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 5:23 PM

 
My dog is 13 and we have been following his MVD for a number of years. Last Saturday we noticed he wasn't eating well and his abdomen was distended. Our normal vet feels that this is not a heart issue and suspects cancer and wants to do an ultrasound. My aunt works at a large emergency vet clinic and had them look over my dogs lab work and they felt it WAS related to heart.

Any one else have dog with ascites but no coughing or lung issues.

Thank you so much for any information.



#1436 From: sally.sam@...
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:29 am
Subject: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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Do you have a cardiologist already?  I couldn't quite tell.

If not, I would recommend a qualified cardiologist's care
if one is available to you. 

My 8.5 year old boy's murmurs started at 7.5 yrs.  He has 2
valve leaks,  but is symptom free - other than exercise intolerance.

 Nonetheless, I have his murmurs checked twice yearly at our Cavalier
Club's Health Clinic, a heart x-ray and exam once a year, and a baseline
 Doppler Ecco Cardiogram was done early on. 

My thought is that perhaps the cardiologist will know exactly when
 the right time is to put him on meds, etc.  I have no vet experience!
But I feel a lot better knowing that a cardiologist is watching over Sammy.

Anyway, I would double check this with the cardiologist! 

Sally

----- Original Message -----
From: "lynn williams" <bellacavalier@...>
To: MVDincavaliers@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:14:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 

Fluid in the abdomen is a symptom of right heart failure,often seen with tricuspid valve disease.MVD can worsen a diseased tricuspsid.The meds used are the same as with MVD but your vet may withdraw the fluid from the abdomen as welllynn.
 

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Laura <laura_griffith@...> wrote:

From: Laura <laura_griffith@...>
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing
To: MVDincavaliers@...
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 5:23 PM

 
My dog is 13 and we have been following his MVD for a number of years. Last Saturday we noticed he wasn't eating well and his abdomen was distended. Our normal vet feels that this is not a heart issue and suspects cancer and wants to do an ultrasound. My aunt works at a large emergency vet clinic and had them look over my dogs lab work and they felt it WAS related to heart.

Any one else have dog with ascites but no coughing or lung issues.

Thank you so much for any information.



#1435 From: Barb Hoorman <BMark9@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:22 am
Subject: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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Hi laura
I am curious what has been done so far on your dog? I am a little perplexed how a possible fluid buildup due to heart could not be detected as I would think the backflow would be quite loud. Did your vet at the very least xray the abdomen?

Barb

On Oct 14, 2009, at 9:14 PM, lynn williams <bellacavalier@...> wrote:

 

http://www.vet.upenn.edu/Portals/0/media/Congestive%20Heart%20Failure.pdf
Fluid in the abdomen is a symptom of right heart failure,often seen with tricuspid valve disease.MVD can worsen a diseased tricuspsid.The meds used are the same as with MVD but your vet may withdraw the fluid from the abdomen as welllynn.
 

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Laura <laura_griffith@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Laura <laura_griffith@yahoo.com>
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing
To: MVDincavaliers@yahoogroups.co.uk
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 5:23 PM

 
My dog is 13 and we have been following his MVD for a number of years. Last Saturday we noticed he wasn't eating well and his abdomen was distended. Our normal vet feels that this is not a heart issue and suspects cancer and wants to do an ultrasound. My aunt works at a large emergency vet clinic and had them look over my dogs lab work and they felt it WAS related to heart.

Any one else have dog with ascites but no coughing or lung issues.

Thank you so much for any information.



#1434 From: lynn williams <bellacavalier@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:14 am
Subject: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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Fluid in the abdomen is a symptom of right heart failure,often seen with tricuspid valve disease.MVD can worsen a diseased tricuspsid.The meds used are the same as with MVD but your vet may withdraw the fluid from the abdomen as welllynn.
 

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Laura <laura_griffith@...> wrote:

From: Laura <laura_griffith@...>
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] fluid in abdomen but no coughing
To: MVDincavaliers@...
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 5:23 PM

 
My dog is 13 and we have been following his MVD for a number of years. Last Saturday we noticed he wasn't eating well and his abdomen was distended. Our normal vet feels that this is not a heart issue and suspects cancer and wants to do an ultrasound. My aunt works at a large emergency vet clinic and had them look over my dogs lab work and they felt it WAS related to heart.

Any one else have dog with ascites but no coughing or lung issues.

Thank you so much for any information.



#1433 From: Carol Theisen <caroltheisen@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:58 am
Subject: Re: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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The first we knew was our vet noticing the heart murmur during a routine visit.  She had no symptoms at that time.  Saw a cardiologist and a few years later, she had the symptoms.  The meds have worked great...controls the cough, fainting, fluid retention and lethargy.  Trina acts like a puppy about once a day now...not for long, but she does!!  She does not tolerate any change in her environment, routine or food!


From: Laura Griffith <laura_griffith@...>
To: MVDincavaliers@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:06:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MVDincavaliers] Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 


Thank you so much for responding.   He is not taking any currently because he had no symptoms until recently.  Our usual vet felt this was not due to MVD so didn't even recommend seeing the cardiologist.   She wants to do expensive ultrasound to check for masses.  

Did your dog start off with just the fluid or coughing also?   Vet made it sound like if heart was going it would always show up as left side failure (with respiratory problems) first.  

Laura Griffith
mailto:laura_ griffith@ yahoo.com



From: karolt2000 <caroltheisen@ sbcglobal. net>
To: MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 8:27:57 PM
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 


Ours has the cough, but it has been better lately. Trina has had the same symptoms as yours...it is usually fluid retention due to the MVD. Her meds really help with that...what meds is your dog taking?? Best wishes and will keep good thoughts...Carol
--- In MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk, "Laura" <laura_griffith@ ...> wrote:
>
> My dog is 13 and we have been following his MVD for a number of years. Last Saturday we noticed he wasn't eating well and his abdomen was distended. Our normal vet feels that this is not a heart issue and suspects cancer and wants to do an ultrasound. My aunt works at a large emergency vet clinic and had them look over my dogs lab work and they felt it WAS related to heart.
>
> Any one else have dog with ascites but no coughing or lung issues.
>
> Thank you so much for any information.
>


#1432 From: Laura Griffith <laura_griffith@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:49 am
Subject: Re: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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Funny as it seems I actually am hoping for a heart issue since the prognosis for the vets other diagnosis is even more gloom and doom.

Thanks so much for the advice.   

Laura Griffith
mailto:laura_griffith@...



From: rod_russell_sm <RodRussell@...>
To: MVDincavaliers@...
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 9:42:39 PM
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 

--- In MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk, Laura Griffith <laura_griffith@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you so much for responding. He is not taking any
> currently because he had no symptoms until recently. Our
> usual vet felt this was not due to MVD so didn't even
> recommend seeing the cardiologist. She wants to do
> expensive ultrasound to check for masses.
>
>

The distension could very well be ascites due to a heart issue. The cardiac cough usually is due to the enlarged heart impacting the breathing passage. It is not directly related to fluid-retention.

It is true that MVD usually results in an enlarged left side of the heart and backflow up into the lungs, causing them to fill with fluid. But ascites is a symptom of MVD, too, and the fluids could go south into the abdomen rather than go north to the lungs.

In view of your Cavalier's age and history of MVD, I suggest that you take him to a cardiologist.
--
Rod Russell
Orlando, Florida


#1431 From: "rod_russell_sm" <RodRussell@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:42 am
Subject: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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--- In MVDincavaliers@..., Laura Griffith <laura_griffith@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Thank you so much for responding.   He is not taking any
> currently because he had no symptoms until recently.  Our
> usual vet felt this was not due to MVD so didn't even
> recommend seeing the cardiologist. She wants to do
> expensive ultrasound to check for masses.
>
>

The distension could very well be ascites due to a heart issue. The cardiac
cough usually is due to the enlarged heart impacting the breathing passage.  It
is not directly related to fluid-retention.

It is true that MVD usually results in an enlarged left side of the heart and
backflow up into the lungs, causing them to fill with fluid. But ascites is a
symptom of MVD, too, and the fluids could go south into the abdomen rather than
go north to the lungs.

In view of your Cavalier's age and history of MVD, I suggest that you take him
to a cardiologist.
--
Rod Russell
Orlando, Florida

#1430 From: Laura Griffith <laura_griffith@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:06 am
Subject: Re: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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Thank you so much for responding.   He is not taking any currently because he had no symptoms until recently.  Our usual vet felt this was not due to MVD so didn't even recommend seeing the cardiologist.   She wants to do expensive ultrasound to check for masses.  

Did your dog start off with just the fluid or coughing also?   Vet made it sound like if heart was going it would always show up as left side failure (with respiratory problems) first.  

Laura Griffith
mailto:laura_griffith@...



From: karolt2000 <caroltheisen@...>
To: MVDincavaliers@...
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 8:27:57 PM
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing

 


Ours has the cough, but it has been better lately. Trina has had the same symptoms as yours...it is usually fluid retention due to the MVD. Her meds really help with that...what meds is your dog taking?? Best wishes and will keep good thoughts...Carol
--- In MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk, "Laura" <laura_griffith@ ...> wrote:
>
> My dog is 13 and we have been following his MVD for a number of years. Last Saturday we noticed he wasn't eating well and his abdomen was distended. Our normal vet feels that this is not a heart issue and suspects cancer and wants to do an ultrasound. My aunt works at a large emergency vet clinic and had them look over my dogs lab work and they felt it WAS related to heart.
>
> Any one else have dog with ascites but no coughing or lung issues.
>
> Thank you so much for any information.
>


#1429 From: "karolt2000" <caroltheisen@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:27 am
Subject: Re: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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Ours has the cough, but it has been better lately.  Trina has had the same
symptoms as yours...it is usually fluid retention due to the MVD.  Her meds
really help with that...what meds is your dog taking??  Best wishes and will
keep good thoughts...Carol
--- In MVDincavaliers@..., "Laura" <laura_griffith@...> wrote:
>
> My dog is 13 and we have been following his MVD for a number of years.   Last
Saturday we noticed he wasn't eating well and his abdomen was distended.  Our
normal vet feels that this is not a heart issue and suspects cancer and wants to
do an ultrasound.  My aunt works at a large emergency vet clinic and had them
look over my dogs lab work and they felt it WAS related to heart.
>
> Any one else have dog with ascites but no coughing or lung issues.
>
> Thank you so much for any information.
>

#1428 From: "Laura" <laura_griffith@...>
Date: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:23 am
Subject: fluid in abdomen but no coughing
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My dog is 13 and we have been following his MVD for a number of years.   Last
Saturday we noticed he wasn't eating well and his abdomen was distended.  Our
normal vet feels that this is not a heart issue and suspects cancer and wants to
do an ultrasound.  My aunt works at a large emergency vet clinic and had them
look over my dogs lab work and they felt it WAS related to heart.

Any one else have dog with ascites but no coughing or lung issues.

Thank you so much for any information.

#1427 From: bet@...
Date: Thu Oct 1, 2009 9:50 am
Subject: UK CKCS CLUB NEWS
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Just to let other List members know that this information has appeared on the UK CKCS CLUB WEB SITE

There is now a Requirement that only Puppies from Heart and Eye Tested Parents can Advertised on the Club Puppy Register.

This form is now on the CLUB Web Site

www.thecavalierclub.co.uk

What a Giant Step Forward the UK CKCS Club has now made ,in trying to give our Cavalier Breed the chance of a Healthier, Longer Life.

Bet Hargreaves



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#1426 From: bet@...
Date: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:56 am
Subject: New Web Site for Cavaliers
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Could I mention this New Web Site by Carol Fowler, for Lovers of Our Cavalier Breed .

www.cavaliercampaign.com

Bet Hargreaves



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Date: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:09 am
Subject: pet Foods Secrets and pet recipes The Terrifying Truth About Dog Food & 5 Easy Ways To Avoid Risks pet recipe and Homemade Dog Biscuits http://petfood-nn.blogspot.com
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#1424 From: Diane Hull <snuffles33@...>
Date: Fri Aug 7, 2009 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: Re: A ;ittle off topic weight gains and/or thyroid problem
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Don't feed them grapes.  Lots of other good stuff.

Thank you all so much for your replies. The general consensus is the same, less food, more exercise, and thyroid test..  I got permission yesterday to take him to a boat launch to swim.  I was beginning to feel so guilty about the weight gain I gues I was obsessed

Thanks again for all your replies

Diane, Shiloh & Cody

--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Carol Theisen <caroltheisen@...> wrote:

From: Carol Theisen <caroltheisen@...>
Subject: Re: [MVDincavaliers] Re: A ;ittle off topic weight gains and/or thyroid problem
To: MVDincavaliers@...
Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:12 AM

 

Yes...just heard that recently.  Raisins, too!  We had a little toddler visit last week and she tried to give Trina one of her grapes...I freaked out!  I picked it up and threw it away!


From: Linda Haskell <lindahaskell@ yahoo.com>
To: MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:48:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MVDincavaliers] Re: A ;ittle off topic weight gains and/or thyroid problem

 

I hope you don't feed your dogs grapes they are deadly poisonous. 
 

 


Linda May Haskell





From: karolt2000 <caroltheisen@ sbcglobal. net>
To: MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 7:11:44 PM
Subject: [MVDincavaliers] Re: A ;ittle off topic weight gains and/or thyroid problem

 

--- In MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk, Linda Haskell <lindahaskell@ ...> wrote:
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> I feed my cav's only 1/3 cup dry food 2x day.  They are 18 and 22 lbs.  I feed them no people food and 5-6 small bite-size cookies at dinner. I walk them 1x per day.  They are 9 and 12 years old, so they sleep a lot. 1 1/4 cup food is way too much.
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> Linda,

That is great that your cavs are 9 and 12! Trina is now 9 and I hope she will be with us for a long time! The difference between this summer and last is amazing. Last year she was fainting and had no energy at all. Now she gets spurts of playfulness and seems so much better. I owe it all to Vetmedin...the miracle med!!

Carol
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> From: karolt2000 <caroltheisen@ ...>
> To: MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk
> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 6:25:07 PM
> Subject: [MVDincavaliers] Re: A ;ittle off topic weight gains and/or thyroid problem's
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> --- In MVDincavaliers@ yahoogroups. co.uk, "Snuffles33" <snuffles33@ ...> wrote:
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> > My 2 1/2 yr old cav is gaining weight. Firt he was 22 , Vet sain lose 2---he gained tree. I cut down his foor---up to 25. Got a lean variety of food and have been feeding what the bag says for weight loss 1 1/4 cups per day---27lbs. Has anyone else had this problem. The vet mentioned more excercise and possible thyroid probme. Do yhey tend to get heavy fast it they don't get enough exercise??
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> > Thank you
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> > Diane Shiloh & Cody
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> Our vet told us to only feed ours 3/4 cup per day. We feed her twice spliting that amount of food. She has maintained a good weight since. Do you feed yours many treats or table food?? We get puppy treats and break them in half! No people food at all.
> Good luck!
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> Carol and Trina
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