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#153 From: Xavier Panades I Blas <cogombra@...>
Date: Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:36 am
Subject: Fwd: Re: Paper
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Thank you for the Deeming's paper !

Very interesting results! Thus, the eggs from Momma nest are the same in porosity 

and condactivity as all the other elongatoolithid eggs described earlier.

And Oviraptor may be set in a position of a chiken, but on the soil pile, 

not on the eggs! This only again show how hasty and advertising

are the conclusions being made by the Norrel et all. company. Just to make

quick sensantion.


KM


Вы писали 28 августа 2006 г., 15:36:48:


>

There you go!


Konstantin Mikhailov <konstm@...> wrote: 

I did not see the article of Charles Deeming about the oviraptorid (Momma) eggs. Is there any possibility 

to reed it as PDF or in other digital form?


(take into account, that the same eggs as the eggs of Oviraptor (Momma), were found in a great number in the

different localities of the Gobi Desert (both Mongolia and China) and have been described (structure) and calculated (porosity - the papers  of Karol Sabath, Warsaw) many times and also were formerly described as the oospecies of Elongatoolithus. One problem is that similar in shape (but with different eggshell structure!) protoceratopsid eggs 

were found in the same localities (as well as the skeletons of protoceraposes, bagaceratopses and 

other ceratopsids - see the articles of Vladimir Alifanov) but the crew of American paleontologists

(who diggerd Momma) can't recognise these two differnt types of eggs and the difference in their eggshell 

structure and refer in their papers to both types of eggs to the same eggs. 

Finally, the models of incubation for theropods, protoceratopsids, sauropods, hadrosaurs,

were discussed in literature many times (and in most detail by Karol Sabath).



>


"Hello droogies -


A few weeks ago I asked if anyone had any comments on

Charles Deemings judgement of oviraptor eggs, with

their large pores, being habitually buriedm but no

answer."

 

People are on field work I have just come back from Catalonia....

 

I have received an email from one of the self-exile palaeooologists from our list saying that the Charles Deemings's publication had three claculations erros...However, he never outlined them...

 

Whereas, I have not been able to go through the whole publication. It would be interesting to know where they are (if they exist), and if they are really mistakes or different calcilational arrangements to suit their theories...

Obviously Charles Deeming opinions here would be greatful...I will try to pursue the self-exile palaeooologist...

 

 

"I think their elongated shape may be

correlated with being buried near the surface, whereas

perhaps more "obovoid" shapes might mean deep burial

or no burial."

 

Why is that? how could you prove that?  Where is the evidence?


"A glance at the layout of the Big Momma nest

http://www.stonecompany.com/dinoeggs/study/detectives/images/amnh%20big%20mama.jpg

seems to me to leave a fair possibility that the eggs

were shallowly buried, with some of the shell very

near or above the surface."

 

Indeed, but we do not know how they were cleaned etc...


"Sauropod eggs are always rounder aren't they?"

 

Approximately

 

 

" Maybe

this would be best for them since they probably didn't

have very dextrous egg manipulation capabilities, and

"near the surface" would have been more tricky for

them than deep or no burial."

 

I do not know about the "very dextrous egg manipulation capabilities", that is difficult to demonstrate.

 

I know that sauropods could bent their back limbs, so my suggestion is that they laid their eggs and went away!


"If sauropod eggs were not buried deeply, and

presumably not incubated, does this mean they must

have developed in warm conditions?"

 

There is a bird that has developed an egg that can go without incubation for days!

I am pretty sure they laid their eggs in warm conditions by known the climatic conditions at that time...

 

"I wonder how many

sauropods have been found in colder climes.  I suppose

it's possible they just piled a few leaves on top!"

 

Or maybe they did have a different mecanism like ostriches!!



"Cheers, 


John J."

 

Xav


John Jackson <strangetruther@...> wrote:

Hello droogies -


A few weeks ago I asked if anyone had any comments on

Charles Deemings judgement of oviraptor eggs, with

their large pores, being habitually buriedm but no

answer.  I think their elongated shape may be

correlated with being buried near the surface, whereas

perhaps more "obovoid" shapes might mean deep burial

or no burial.  


A glance at the layout of the Big Momma nest

http://www.stonecompany.com/dinoeggs/study/detectives/images/amnh%20big%20mama.jpg

seems to me to leave a fair possibility that the eggs

were shallowly buried, with some of the shell very

near or above the surface.


Sauropod eggs are always rounder aren't they?  Maybe

this would be best for them since they probably didn't

have very dextrous egg manipulation capabilities, and

"near the surface" would have been more tricky for

them than deep or no burial.


If sauropod eggs were not buried deeply, and

presumably not incubated, does this mean they must

have developed in warm conditions?  I wonder how many

sauropods have been found in colder climes.  I suppose

it's possible they just piled a few leaves on top!


Cheers, 


John J.


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#152 From: Xavier Panades I Blas <cogombra@...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:50 pm
Subject: Answer from Chiappe [Palaeo-oology] 3rd International.Congress on Dinosaur Eggs and Babies
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From: "Luis Chiappe" <lchiappe@...>
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Subject: RE: 3rd International.Congress on Dinosaur Eggs and Babies
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:29:33 -0700
 
 
Abstracts are being processed for publication and a volume of short
papers will be published in Ameghiniana.
Luis Chiappe
 
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Subject: 3rd International.Congress on Dinosaur Eggs and Babies
Hi everybody,
3rd International.Congress on Dinosaur Eggs and Babies took placed some
months ago in Argentina...
Does anybony knows what happened? Any publications etc...
 
Respectfully,
Xavier Panades I Blas
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ashok sahni <ashok.sahni@...> wrote:
Dear Xavier,
I have no idea. I received no circular at all!!
ashok

 
On 8/28/06, cogombra <cogombra@...> wrote:
Hi everybody,

3rd International.Congress on Dinosaur Eggs and Babies took placed
some months ago in Argentina...

Does anybony knows what happened? Any publications etc...








#151 From: "ashok sahni" <ashok.sahni@...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Palaeo-oology] 3rd International.Congress on Dinosaur Eggs and Babies
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Dear Xavier,
I have no idea. I received no circular at all!!
ashok

 
On 8/28/06, cogombra <cogombra@...> wrote:
Hi everybody,

3rd International.Congress on Dinosaur Eggs and Babies took placed
some months ago in Argentina...

Does anybony knows what happened? Any publications etc...







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#149 From: "cogombra" <cogombra@...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:27 pm
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Hi everybody,

3rd International.Congress on Dinosaur Eggs and Babies took placed
some months ago in Argentina...

Does anybony knows what happened? Any publications etc...

#148 From: Konstantin Mikhailov <konstm@...>
Date: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:03 am
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I did not see the article of Charles Deeming about the oviraptorid (Momma) eggs. Is there any possibility 

to reed it as PDF or in other digital form?


(take into account, that the same eggs as the eggs of Oviraptor (Momma), were found in a great number in the

different localities of the Gobi Desert (both Mongolia and China) and have been described (structure) and calculated (porosity - the papers  of Karol Sabath, Warsaw) many times and also were formerly described as the oospecies of Elongatoolithus. One problem is that similar in shape (but with different eggshell structure!) protoceratopsid eggs 

were found in the same localities (as well as the skeletons of protoceraposes, bagaceratopses and 

other ceratopsids - see the articles of Vladimir Alifanov) but the crew of American paleontologists

(who diggerd Momma) can't recognise these two differnt types of eggs and the difference in their eggshell 

structure and refer in their papers to both types of eggs to the same eggs. 

Finally, the models of incubation for theropods, protoceratopsids, sauropods, hadrosaurs,

were discussed in literature many times (and in most detail by Karol Sabath).



>


"Hello droogies -


A few weeks ago I asked if anyone had any comments on

Charles Deemings judgement of oviraptor eggs, with

their large pores, being habitually buriedm but no

answer."

 

People are on field work I have just come back from Catalonia....

 

I have received an email from one of the self-exile palaeooologists from our list saying that the Charles Deemings's publication had three claculations erros...However, he never outlined them...

 

Whereas, I have not been able to go through the whole publication. It would be interesting to know where they are (if they exist), and if they are really mistakes or different calcilational arrangements to suit their theories...

Obviously Charles Deeming opinions here would be greatful...I will try to pursue the self-exile palaeooologist...

 

 

"I think their elongated shape may be

correlated with being buried near the surface, whereas

perhaps more "obovoid" shapes might mean deep burial

or no burial."

 

Why is that? how could you prove that?  Where is the evidence?


"A glance at the layout of the Big Momma nest

http://www.stonecompany.com/dinoeggs/study/detectives/images/amnh%20big%20mama.jpg

seems to me to leave a fair possibility that the eggs

were shallowly buried, with some of the shell very

near or above the surface."

 

Indeed, but we do not know how they were cleaned etc...


"Sauropod eggs are always rounder aren't they?"

 

Approximately

 

 

" Maybe

this would be best for them since they probably didn't

have very dextrous egg manipulation capabilities, and

"near the surface" would have been more tricky for

them than deep or no burial."

 

I do not know about the "very dextrous egg manipulation capabilities", that is difficult to demonstrate.

 

I know that sauropods could bent their back limbs, so my suggestion is that they laid their eggs and went away!


"If sauropod eggs were not buried deeply, and

presumably not incubated, does this mean they must

have developed in warm conditions?"

 

There is a bird that has developed an egg that can go without incubation for days!

I am pretty sure they laid their eggs in warm conditions by known the climatic conditions at that time...

 

"I wonder how many

sauropods have been found in colder climes.  I suppose

it's possible they just piled a few leaves on top!"

 

Or maybe they did have a different mecanism like ostriches!!



"Cheers, 


John J."

 

Xav


John Jackson <strangetruther@...> wrote:

Hello droogies -


A few weeks ago I asked if anyone had any comments on

Charles Deemings judgement of oviraptor eggs, with

their large pores, being habitually buriedm but no

answer.  I think their elongated shape may be

correlated with being buried near the surface, whereas

perhaps more "obovoid" shapes might mean deep burial

or no burial.  


A glance at the layout of the Big Momma nest

http://www.stonecompany.com/dinoeggs/study/detectives/images/amnh%20big%20mama.jpg

seems to me to leave a fair possibility that the eggs

were shallowly buried, with some of the shell very

near or above the surface.


Sauropod eggs are always rounder aren't they?  Maybe

this would be best for them since they probably didn't

have very dextrous egg manipulation capabilities, and

"near the surface" would have been more tricky for

them than deep or no burial.


If sauropod eggs were not buried deeply, and

presumably not incubated, does this mean they must

have developed in warm conditions?  I wonder how many

sauropods have been found in colder climes.  I suppose

it's possible they just piled a few leaves on top!


Cheers, 


John J.


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#147 From: John Jackson <strangetruther@...>
Date: Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:38 pm
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wrote:

>
> "Hello droogies -
>
> A few weeks ago I asked if anyone had any comments
> on
> Charles Deemings judgement of oviraptor eggs, with
> their large pores, being habitually buriedm but no
> answer."
>
>   People are on field work I have just come back
> from Catalonia....

Hope you had a nice time!

>
>   I have received an email from one of the
> self-exile palaeooologists from our list saying that
> the Charles Deemings's publication had three
> claculations erros...However, he never outlined
> them...
>
>   Whereas, I have not been able to go through the
> whole publication. It would be interesting to know
> where they are (if they exist), and if they are
> really mistakes or different calcilational
> arrangements to suit their theories...
>   Obviously Charles Deeming opinions here would be
> greatful...I will try to pursue the self-exile
> palaeooologist...
>

Maybe those supposed errors will not affect this
aspect.

>
>   "I think their elongated shape may be
> correlated with being buried near the surface,
> whereas
> perhaps more "obovoid" shapes might mean deep burial
> or no burial."
>
>   Why is that? how could you prove that?

I don't do proof in my science!  Some refutation here
and there combined with a bit of guessing.  I've never
seen much of what I'd call proof in natural science,
and would dispute its existence.

>Where is the evidence?

Where is the refutation?

> "A glance at the layout of the Big Momma nest
>
http://www.stonecompany.com/dinoeggs/study/detectives/images/amnh%20big%20mama.j\
pg
> seems to me to leave a fair possibility that the
> eggs
> were shallowly buried, with some of the shell very
> near or above the surface."
>
>   Indeed, but we do not know how they were cleaned
> etc...

I don't think it would be very easy to lay those eggs
diagonally as they appear in the fossil.  I think they
were laid vertiaclly and became tilted over, possibly
during or after fossilisation.

>
> "Sauropod eggs are always rounder aren't they?"
>
>   Approximately

Thanks.

>
>
>   " Maybe
> this would be best for them since they probably
> didn't
> have very dextrous egg manipulation capabilities,
> and
> "near the surface" would have been more tricky for
> them than deep or no burial."
>
>   I do not know about the "very dextrous egg
> manipulation capabilities", that is difficult to
> demonstrate.

The opposite is hard to imagine.  That's evidence.
There is only circumstantial evidence in natural
science.

>
>   I know that sauropods could bent their back limbs,
> so my suggestion is that they laid their eggs and
> went away!

I uspect they were fed by their parents.  What could
they eat otherwise?

>
> "If sauropod eggs were not buried deeply, and
> presumably not incubated, does this mean they must
> have developed in warm conditions?"
>
>   There is a bird that has developed an egg that can
> go without incubation for days!

Sounds somewhat familiar.

>   I am pretty sure they laid their eggs in warm
> conditions by known the climatic conditions at that
> time...

Perhaps.  But some lived way polar of the subtropics.

>
>   "I wonder how many
> sauropods have been found in colder climes.  I
> suppose
> it's possible they just piled a few leaves on top!"
>
>   Or maybe they did have a different mecanism like
> ostriches!!

Do ostrich eggs require brooding?  I mean all of them?
  I know the ones near the edge die but I find it hard
to imagine that the ones that survive all get warmed
overnight by the parent.

>
>
> "Cheers,
>
> John J."

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#146 From: Xavier Panades I Blas <cogombra@...>
Date: Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: [Palaeo-oology] Buried Ovi eggs
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"Hello droogies -

A few weeks ago I asked if anyone had any comments on
Charles Deemings judgement of oviraptor eggs, with
their large pores, being habitually buriedm but no
answer."
 
People are on field work I have just come back from Catalonia....
 
I have received an email from one of the self-exile palaeooologists from our list saying that the Charles Deemings's publication had three claculations erros...However, he never outlined them...
 
Whereas, I have not been able to go through the whole publication. It would be interesting to know where they are (if they exist), and if they are really mistakes or different calcilational arrangements to suit their theories...
Obviously Charles Deeming opinions here would be greatful...I will try to pursue the self-exile palaeooologist...
 
 
"I think their elongated shape may be
correlated with being buried near the surface, whereas
perhaps more "obovoid" shapes might mean deep burial
or no burial."
 
Why is that? how could you prove that?  Where is the evidence?

"A glance at the layout of the Big Momma nest
http://www.stonecompany.com/dinoeggs/study/detectives/images/amnh%20big%20mama.jpg
seems to me to leave a fair possibility that the eggs
were shallowly buried, with some of the shell very
near or above the surface."
 
Indeed, but we do not know how they were cleaned etc...

"Sauropod eggs are always rounder aren't they?"
 
Approximately
 
 
" Maybe
this would be best for them since they probably didn't
have very dextrous egg manipulation capabilities, and
"near the surface" would have been more tricky for
them than deep or no burial."
 
I do not know about the "very dextrous egg manipulation capabilities", that is difficult to demonstrate.
 
I know that sauropods could bent their back limbs, so my suggestion is that they laid their eggs and went away!

"If sauropod eggs were not buried deeply, and
presumably not incubated, does this mean they must
have developed in warm conditions?"
 
There is a bird that has developed an egg that can go without incubation for days!
I am pretty sure they laid their eggs in warm conditions by known the climatic conditions at that time...
 
"I wonder how many
sauropods have been found in colder climes.  I suppose
it's possible they just piled a few leaves on top!"
 
Or maybe they did have a different mecanism like ostriches!!


"Cheers,

John J."
 
Xav

John Jackson <strangetruther@...> wrote:
Hello droogies -

A few weeks ago I asked if anyone had any comments on
Charles Deemings judgement of oviraptor eggs, with
their large pores, being habitually buriedm but no
answer.  I think their elongated shape may be
correlated with being buried near the surface, whereas
perhaps more "obovoid" shapes might mean deep burial
or no burial. 

A glance at the layout of the Big Momma nest
http://www.stonecompany.com/dinoeggs/study/detectives/images/amnh%20big%20mama.jpg
seems to me to leave a fair possibility that the eggs
were shallowly buried, with some of the shell very
near or above the surface.

Sauropod eggs are always rounder aren't they?  Maybe
this would be best for them since they probably didn't
have very dextrous egg manipulation capabilities, and
"near the surface" would have been more tricky for
them than deep or no burial.

If sauropod eggs were not buried deeply, and
presumably not incubated, does this mean they must
have developed in warm conditions?  I wonder how many
sauropods have been found in colder climes.  I suppose
it's possible they just piled a few leaves on top!

Cheers,

John J.

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#145 From: John Jackson <strangetruther@...>
Date: Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:41 pm
Subject: Buried Ovi eggs
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Hello droogies -

A few weeks ago I asked if anyone had any comments on
Charles Deemings judgement of oviraptor eggs, with
their large pores, being habitually buriedm but no
answer.  I think their elongated shape may be
correlated with being buried near the surface, whereas
perhaps more "obovoid" shapes might mean deep burial
or no burial.

A glance at the layout of the Big Momma nest
http://www.stonecompany.com/dinoeggs/study/detectives/images/amnh%20big%20mama.j\
pg
seems to me to leave a fair possibility that the eggs
were shallowly buried, with some of the shell very
near or above the surface.

Sauropod eggs are always rounder aren't they?  Maybe
this would be best for them since they probably didn't
have very dextrous egg manipulation capabilities, and
"near the surface" would have been more tricky for
them than deep or no burial.

If sauropod eggs were not buried deeply, and
presumably not incubated, does this mean they must
have developed in warm conditions?  I wonder how many
sauropods have been found in colder climes.  I suppose
it's possible they just piled a few leaves on top!

Cheers,

John J.

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#144 From: "cogombra" <cogombra@...>
Date: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:57 pm
Subject: Dr. Sandra Westmoreland
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Hi guys I found an interesting researching studying avian eggshells

I have of course invite her to join our group!


Dr. Sandra Westmoreland

http://www.uta.edu/biology/westmoreland/#Professional%20Interests

#142 From: ecoroma@...
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:58 am
Subject: Re: [Palaeo-oology] Aepyornis eggshell
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Hi!
I would like a copy of this
Thnx

Eduardo


Mensaje citado por: Xavier Panades I Blas <cogombra@...>:

> Thank you Alvaro for the information.
>
>   I have a PDF copy for those interested in the publication.
>
>   Simon J. Clarke, Gifford H. Miller, Marilyn L. Fogel, Allan R. Chivas
> & Colin V. Murray-Wallace. 2006. The amino acid and stable isotope
> biogeochemistry of elephant bird (Aepyornis) eggshells from southern
> Madagascar. Quaternary Science Reviews, 25(17-18):2343-2356.
>
>   I will be updating the website when I will be back from my field
> work...Keep on sending me publications missing from the list and
> reminding me to incorporate them!
>
>   I hope you have had a nice summer!
>
> Alvaro Mones <amones@...> wrote:
>           Just published!
>
>   Simon J. Clarke, Gifford H. Miller, Marilyn L. Fogel, Allan R. Chivas
> & Colin V. Murray-Wallace. 2006. The amino acid and stable isotope
> biogeochemistry of elephant bird (Aepyornis) eggshells from southern
> Madagascar. Quaternary Science Reviews, 25(17-18):2343-2356.
>
>   Alvaro
>
>   *******************************
> Prof. Alvaro Mones
> Franzensbadstr. 7 B
> D-86199 Augsburg
> Deutschland/Germany
>
>   Tel.: (0049-821) 9985991
> E-mail: a-mones@...  amones@...
>
>
>



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#141 From: hvkarl@...
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:42 am
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Xavier,

I would be grateful to get the PDF copy of this paper also.

Hans


Von: Konstantin Mikhailov
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Xavier,


I would be grateful to get the PDF copy of this paper.


Thank you,


Konstantin


>

Thank you Alvaro for the information.

 

I have a PDF copy for those interested in the publication.

 

Simon J. Clarke, Gifford H. Miller, Marilyn L. Fogel, Allan R. Chivas & Colin V. Murray-Wallace. 2006. The amino acid and stable isotope biogeochemistry of elephant bird (Aepyornis) eggshells from southern Madagascar. Quaternary Science Reviews, 25(17-18):2343-2356.

 

I will be updating the website when I will be back from my field work...Keep on sending me publications missing from the list and reminding me to incorporate them!

 

I hope you have had a ni ce summer!


Alvaro Mones <amones@...> wrote:

Just published!

 

Simon J. Clarke, Gifford H. Miller, Marilyn L. Fogel, Allan R. Chivas & Colin V. Murray-Wallace. 2006. The amino acid and stable isotope biogeochemistry of elephant bird (Aepyornis) eggshells from southern Madagascar. Quaternary Science Reviews, 25(17-18):2343-2356.

 

Alvaro

 

*******************************

Prof. Alvaro Mones

Franzensbadstr. 7 B

D-86199 Augsburg

Deutschland/German y

 

Tel.: (0049-821) 9985991

E-mail: a-mones@...  amones@...


 





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#140 From: Konstantin Mikhailov <konstm@...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:28 am
Subject: Re[2]: [Palaeo-oology] Aepyornis eggshell
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Xavier,


I would be grateful to get the PDF copy of this paper.


Thank you,


Konstantin


>

Thank you Alvaro for the information.

 

I have a PDF copy for those interested in the publication.

 

Simon J. Clarke, Gifford H. Miller, Marilyn L. Fogel, Allan R. Chivas & Colin V. Murray-Wallace. 2006. The amino acid and stable isotope biogeochemistry of elephant bird (Aepyornis) eggshells from southern Madagascar. Quaternary Science Reviews, 25(17-18):2343-2356.

 

I will be updating the website when I will be back from my field work...Keep on sending me publications missing from the list and reminding me to incorporate them!

 

I hope you have had a nice summer!


Alvaro Mones <amones@...> wrote:

Just published!

 

Simon J. Clarke, Gifford H. Miller, Marilyn L. Fogel, Allan R. Chivas & Colin V. Murray-Wallace. 2006. The amino acid and stable isotope biogeochemistry of elephant bird (Aepyornis) eggshells from southern Madagascar. Quaternary Science Reviews, 25(17-18):2343-2356.

 

Alvaro

 

*******************************

Prof. Alvaro Mones

Franzensbadstr. 7 B

D-86199 Augsburg

Deutschland/Germany

 

Tel.: (0049-821) 9985991

E-mail: a-mones@...  amones@...


 





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#139 From: Judith Harris <harrisj@...>
Date: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:15 am
Subject: Re: [Palaeo-oology] Palaeo-oology] Aepyornis eggshell
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Please do send this. I hope you are having a good season.

Thanks and all the best,

Judith

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On Aug 17, 2006, at 12:42 PM, cogombra wrote:

> Thank you Alvaro for the information.
>
> I have a PDF copy for those interested in the publication.
>
> Simon J. Clarke, Gifford H. Miller, Marilyn L. Fogel, Allan R. Chivas
> & Colin V. Murray-Wallace. 2006. The amino acid and stable isotope
> biogeochemistry of elephant bird (Aepyornis) eggshells from southern
> Madagascar. Quaternary Science Reviews, 25(17-18):2343-2356.
>
> I will be updating the website when I will be back from my field
> work...Keep on sending me publications missing from the list and
> reminding me to incorporate them!
>
> I hope you have had a nice summer!
>
>
>
>
>
>

#138 From: Xavier Panades I Blas <cogombra@...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Palaeo-oology] Aepyornis eggshell
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Thank you Alvaro for the information.
 
I have a PDF copy for those interested in the publication.
 
Simon J. Clarke, Gifford H. Miller, Marilyn L. Fogel, Allan R. Chivas & Colin V. Murray-Wallace. 2006. The amino acid and stable isotope biogeochemistry of elephant bird (Aepyornis) eggshells from southern Madagascar. Quaternary Science Reviews, 25(17-18):2343-2356.
 
I will be updating the website when I will be back from my field work...Keep on sending me publications missing from the list and reminding me to incorporate them!
 
I hope you have had a nice summer!

Alvaro Mones <amones@...> wrote:
Just published!
 
Simon J. Clarke, Gifford H. Miller, Marilyn L. Fogel, Allan R. Chivas & Colin V. Murray-Wallace. 2006. The amino acid and stable isotope biogeochemistry of elephant bird (Aepyornis) eggshells from southern Madagascar. Quaternary Science Reviews, 25(17-18):2343-2356.
 
Alvaro
 
*******************************
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Franzensbadstr. 7 B
D-86199 Augsburg
Deutschland/Germany
 
Tel.: (0049-821) 9985991
E-mail: a-mones@...  amones@...


#137 From: "cogombra" <cogombra@...>
Date: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:42 pm
Subject: Palaeo-oology] Aepyornis eggshell
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Thank you Alvaro for the information.

I have a PDF copy for those interested in the publication.

Simon J. Clarke, Gifford H. Miller, Marilyn L. Fogel, Allan R. Chivas
& Colin V. Murray-Wallace. 2006. The amino acid and stable isotope
biogeochemistry of elephant bird (Aepyornis) eggshells from southern
Madagascar. Quaternary Science Reviews, 25(17-18):2343-2356.

I will be updating the website when I will be back from my field
work...Keep on sending me publications missing from the list and
reminding me to incorporate them!

I hope you have had a nice summer!

#136 From: "Alvaro Mones" <amones@...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:09 am
Subject: Aepyornis eggshell
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Just published!
 
Simon J. Clarke, Gifford H. Miller, Marilyn L. Fogel, Allan R. Chivas & Colin V. Murray-Wallace. 2006. The amino acid and stable isotope biogeochemistry of elephant bird (Aepyornis) eggshells from southern Madagascar. Quaternary Science Reviews, 25(17-18):2343-2356.
 
Alvaro
 
*******************************
Prof. Alvaro Mones
Franzensbadstr. 7 B
D-86199 Augsburg
Deutschland/Germany
 
Tel.: (0049-821) 9985991
E-mail: a-mones@...  amones@...

#135 From: Palaeo-oology@...
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>
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> 2005.Microstructure-dictated resistance properties of some Indian
> dinosaur eggshells: finite element modeling. _Paleobiology_ 31(2):
> 315-323.
>

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#127 From: John Jackson <strangetruther@...>
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Yes - Happy hunting!

Charles Deeming's paper suggests that the dino eggs
he's summarised (many types) are, with the possible
exception of some troodont ones, all definitely of the
buried-incubation type...

...even the brooding ovi-thing eggs!  Is it possible
the ovi was carefully standing amongst the eggs as it
seemed to be, without squashing them, but the eggs
were also buried?

Cheers,

John J.


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> hunting in
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> On Jul 21, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Xavier Panades I Blas
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> > Thank you very much...Greetings from Catalonia
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> > John Jackson <strangetruther@...> wrote:
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> > papers that I don't think have yet got onto our
> list
> > of publications.
> >
> > One of which:
> > DEEMING, D. C. "ULTRASTRUCTURAL AND FUNCTIONAL
> > MORPHOLOGY OF EGGSHELLS SUPPORTS THE IDEA
> > THAT DINOSAUR EGGS WERE INCUBATED BURIED
> > IN A SUBSTRATE"  Palaeontology, Vol. 49, Part 1,
> 2006,
> > pp. 171–185
> >
> > ...is to be found at:
> >
> http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.
> > 1475-4983.2005.00536.x?cookieSet=1
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> > ...and others are referenced there.
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#126 From: Judith Harris <harrisj@...>
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Thanks for the paper. And good luck to you dinobaby hunting in
Catalonia, Xavier. Let me know what you find out there.

Judith

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On Jul 21, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Xavier Panades I Blas wrote:

> Thank you very much...Greetings from Catalonia where I am looking
> for dino eggshells!
>
> John Jackson <strangetruther@...> wrote: Charles Deeming has
> published a number of interesting
> papers that I don't think have yet got onto our list
> of publications.
>
> One of which:
> DEEMING, D. C. "ULTRASTRUCTURAL AND FUNCTIONAL
> MORPHOLOGY OF EGGSHELLS SUPPORTS THE IDEA
> THAT DINOSAUR EGGS WERE INCUBATED BURIED
> IN A SUBSTRATE"  Palaeontology, Vol. 49, Part 1, 2006,
> pp. 171–185
>
> ...is to be found at:
> http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.
> 1475-4983.2005.00536.x?cookieSet=1
>
> ...and others are referenced there.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John J.
>
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#125 From: Xavier Panades I Blas <cogombra@...>
Date: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Palaeo-oology] File - Palaeo-oological publications
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Thank you very much...Greetings from Catalonia where I am looking for dino eggshells!

John Jackson <strangetruther@...> wrote:
Charles Deeming has published a number of interesting
papers that I don't think have yet got onto our list
of publications.

One of which:
DEEMING, D. C. "ULTRASTRUCTURAL AND FUNCTIONAL
MORPHOLOGY OF EGGSHELLS SUPPORTS THE IDEA
THAT DINOSAUR EGGS WERE INCUBATED BURIED
IN A SUBSTRATE"  Palaeontology, Vol. 49, Part 1, 2006,
pp. 171–185

...is to be found at:
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1475-4983.2005.00536.x?cookieSet=1

...and others are referenced there.

Cheers,

John J.

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#124 From: John Jackson <strangetruther@...>
Date: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Palaeo-oology] File - Palaeo-oological publications
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Charles Deeming has published a number of interesting
papers that I don't think have yet got onto our list
of publications.

One of which:
DEEMING, D. C. "ULTRASTRUCTURAL AND FUNCTIONAL
MORPHOLOGY OF EGGSHELLS SUPPORTS THE IDEA
THAT DINOSAUR EGGS WERE INCUBATED BURIED
IN A SUBSTRATE"  Palaeontology, Vol. 49, Part 1, 2006,
pp. 171–185

...is to be found at:
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1475-4983.2005.00536.x?cookie\
Set=1

...and others are referenced there.

Cheers,

John J.

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#123 From: "Charles Deeming" <charlie@...>
Date: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:03 am
Subject: Invitation for Review
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Hi
 
As Editor of Avian & Poultry Biology Reviews I am interested in publishing a review on the fossil record of eggs and nests (if any) of Tertiary birds. Is anyone interested in writing such a review?
 
Regards
 
Charles Deeming
 

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