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Re: [RingworldRPG] RPG Background question...

Interesting concept; please read below...

David Fraser wrote:
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> Dear Ringworld RPG group,
>
> (if anyone is home after all this time...)

Yup, I'm still reading! Really!

> Supposing the Kzinti on the Map of Earth got hold of a cziltang brone
> - a device which renders the ultra-hard scrith malleable - and
> started to use it to mine scrith, and then to shape and build
> machinery with it... what might they come up with?

I thought the cziltang brone only rendered the material *permeable* and
not malleable? Suffice to say, this is your game - do as you will! With
that assumption...

Beyond machinery, the Patriarch of the Map of Kzin would certainly have
a suit of armor and at least one weapon made of scrith... (Imagine
parrying with a scrith vambrace!)

And, given the engineering challenges of setting scrith, it might be
that only certain parts of machines might be made out of the scavenged
material. Armor plates and specific blades for scything war-machines,
particular engine parts that need to be neigh-invulnerable to grant
high-yield on the machines they are part of, etc.

There would be a lot of scrith-mass available if the Protector civil
engineers made the walls of the Ringworld as redundant as they made the
attitude jet system. The Map of Kzin mightn't explode outward into space
until the scrith got to be 15 - 20% of its current thickness.

> Also assume that some of the kzinti's pet monkeys are intelligent.
> ('cos NPCs who are all war-crazy faux-tigers is no fun, and NPCs who
> are people who have been bred into strange and unnatural shapes by
> said war-crazy faux-tigers is).

Ohhh - that's a lovely image! Hominids warped by assiduous breeding
programs implemented by the Patriarch of the Map of Kzin. Delicious! Who
says Kzinti wouldn't develop animal husbandry?

> Finally, how long do you guys reckon it would take the ratcats to
> start to Take Over The World with this device, and what might hold
> them back?

If they made it a point to harvest scrith from a broad area instead of
digging deep in one spot, they'd certainly have a technological
advantage over most of the RW's inhabitants. Consider a martial-art
style peculiar to the Map of Kzin wherein each soldier in the ratcat
forces have a scrith vambrace to parry with?

Application of 'unbreakable' material (given the tech-level you
mentioned) doesn't have to be very efficient to produce really, really
dangerous Kzinti armed forces. After all, the Kzinti are pretty damned
formidable on their own.

What might hold them back?

Protectors - lots of Protectors with scrith-repulsors and cziltang
brones of their own. Repel them into a knot or pass, make the ground
beneath them permeable, turn off the brones.

Then, the rest of your post seems to posit that there isn't another,
handy cziltang brone around... Maybe just lots of Molotov cocktails and
the repulsors.

> As you may have guessed, I'm lovingly crafting the next round of
> torture for my players. Their stated objective is to get the 'brone
> off the kzinti, undamaged, and use it to deal with a slight
> "Protector Problem" of their own making.

Your players are running hominids, I take it?

> Given that the cziltang brone exists and is impacting Kzinti society,
> background ideas would be quite handy. I have my own answers for
> most of the above questions, but a few other people chipping in might
> help me work out if I'm screwing up somewhere!

Maybe a few more details about your game will stir the pot?

Hope this inspires you!

--
Gerall Kahla



Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:59 pm

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Interesting concept; please read below... ... Yup, I'm still reading! Really! ... I thought the cziltang brone only rendered the material *permeable* and not...
Gerall Kahla
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... There are indications it makes scrith malleable, not just permeable. Note in /Protector/, Phssthpok uses the "softener key" (which appears to be the same...
Lensman
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In effect the Cziltang Brone in itself becomes a Weapon of Mass Destruction - you point it at the floor underneath your enemies HQ and presumably he (and the...
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... But only if the brone has sufficient power (area of effect) and range to be usable as a sort of field artillery. Frankly, I think anyone who would use such...
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... Now that I consider it, I believe you're onto something here, Lensman... Loosing the device would be devastating. Unfortunately, these are somewhat feral,...
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... Lensman... ... Good points on both sides here. However, the kzinti carrying it into battle like a high-tech "ark of the covenant" would make the job of...
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... Lensman... ... Good points on both sides here. However, the kzinti carrying it into battle like a high-tech "ark of the covenant" would make the job of...
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... ... and I'm a nana. I was beginning to envisage a huge scrith-covered fortress, dug down through the earth and rock to the level of the scrith itself, with...
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... Absolutely. A strip-mine is the only way they'd be able to "mine" a significant amount of scrith. Is it possible to use a brone to safely push a probe...
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... A thought, following on from this: If you expand a simple object, I can see it getting bigger in every dimension and therefore expanding in size. Expand a...
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... Certainly there are parts of plate armor which are inside other parts... http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=72115&rendTypeId=35 ...and certainly if different...
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... Author advice: "Never let the facts stand in the way of a good story." If I were running a RPG which required the PCs get their hands on a cziltang brone...
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Indestructable Gun Barrels? Also not strictly within in the scope of this question but I wonder what would happen if you set off a nuke inside a GP Hull? ...
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... "The strengthened molecular bonds are proof against any kind of impact, and heat into the hundreds of thousands of degrees." ("Flatlander", /Neutron Star/...
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I didn't manage to finish Niven's third book as I ground to a halt somewhere in the first third of the book, so I don't know if the other maps were explored....
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Did you read Ringworlds Children? (Vastly better than Throne - but you do need to read Throne to get the complete story and even that picks up speed towards...
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... The third Ringworld book, /The Ringworld Throne/? I don't blame you, it's quite a come-down from the first two. I hope you'll try the fourth, /Ringworld's...
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Dear RingworldRPG Group, Wow! A response! More than one! I am blessed. Thank you all. Some great ideas there, and some really evil ones. I particuarly like the...
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... This was discussed on the larryniven-l list, and for once a consensus was achieved! We believe the Map of Earth looks something like this: ...
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... Nice map. I do like it. ... Nonetheless, that's what Larry Wrote (and I'm tap-dancing desperately so as not to contradict The Master...) so I chose another...
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... Right, Louis recognized the shape of various continents, including IIRC Antarctica. As has been said, one can either preserve the shape of continents, or...
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... other ... the ... about as ... May ... Has it not shown up in the Photos Section of this Yahoo Group for you? How odd! Assuming you can log onto yahoo...
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... My apologies for any inconvenience :-(, I'm not very good at this "web" stuff. Now, with that cleared up... what about the map? :-). -- DF...
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... Sorry for the "geekier than thou" stuff. If you're using Windoz, just right-click on the image and select "view image". That will give you a URL you can...
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There is a map projection called "Bipolar Oblique conic" which can fulfil these critera and still be "conic" it has a discontinuity at the equator where you...
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... I don't see that it fulfills the criteria of the Map of Earth "spreading out from the north pole". ... Quite true. ... ~~~~~~~~~~~ The Hindmost said, "Mars...
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Tim, Thanks for the comments. I appreciate your contributing, with your level of knowledge :-). I've googled for, but not found, a good example of "Bipolar...
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... "Lensman" is a reference to the famous Lensman Series by E.E. "Doc" Smith, from the Golden Age of SF. In the series, Lensman is a title... not a name....
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