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#303 From: "Jan Niechwiadowicz" <jan_niechwiadowicz@...>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2008 3:46 pm
Subject: Help: Arriving at the notorious Polish concentration camp
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Dear Group,

I do not normally raise alerts about German camps in occupied Poland
during WWII wrongly being called Polish here. Generally over at the
Polish Media Issues group we are able to get a positive reply from
the media responsible.

Sadly in the following case the organisation is refusing to accept
its wording is wrong hence I am calling on the Polonia at large to
express their views on this article and hopefully support us in
getting this corrected.

The article is generally very good and the Germans are clearly
mentioned BUT it still wrongly refers to the camps.

If you have time please express your views by writing to
corrections@....

Regards

Jan Niechwiadowicz, Moderator Polish Media Issues Yahoo Group

Reply from Editor: The Auschwitz concentration camp was in occupied
Poland. Because there were concentration camps all over Europe
during WWII, the reference was to locate this particular
concentration camp among the many. If the writer had been describing
a particular camp in occupied Austria, she might have described it
as an Austrian camp. Also, the notoriety of Auschwitz as a Nazi
concentration camp -- undoubtedly the best-known concentration camp
by name -- and context of the story erases even the slightest
possibility there would be confusion about who was running the camp.

Originally Article:

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/15948397.html

At the dawn of the Nazi era, a prominent Minneapolis physician sent a
letter to Adolf Hitler, praising his "plan to stamp out mental
inferiority among the German people."

At the time, Dr. Charles Dight was an influential public leader, a
former city alderman who had founded the Minnesota Eugenics Society.
As such, he believed that the "feebleminded" were unfit to have
children. He didn't hide his admiration for the German chancellor.

"I trust you will accept my sincere wish that your efforts along that
line will be a great success," he wrote on Aug. 1, 1933, "and will
advance the eugenics movement in other nations as well as in
Germany."

Dight died before he could see where that movement would lead.

The lure of eugenics -- the idea that science could improve on
humanity by weeding out "undesirable traits" -- is the focus
of "Deadly Medicine: Creating the Master Race," an exhibit opening
tomorrow at the Science Museum of Minnesota.

The traveling collection of books, artifacts, posters, historic
newsreels and interviews with survivors was produced by the U.S.
Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., and runs through May 4
in St. Paul.

It explores how highly educated people on both sides of the Atlantic,
such as Dight, were swept up in the eugenics movement of the early
20th century. In the United States, that led to forced sterilizations
in mental institutions, including thousands of Minnesotans.

In Nazi Germany, mass sterilization was just the beginning.

"This exhibition was designed to answer one of the big 'how was the
Holocaust possible' questions," said Susan Bachrach, curator of the
exhibition at the Holocaust Museum. "One of the answers has to do
with the role of physicians and scientists."

"Deadly Medicine" documents how doctors ended up committing barbaric
acts in the name of science.

Today, people such as Margot de Wilde of Plymouth still bear the
scars. This week, she will share her story at an exhibit preview for
local teachers.

Surviving Nazi experiments

De Wilde, now 86, fled her native Berlin in the early 1930s, just as
the Nazis were coming to power.

Her parents, who were Jewish, thought the family would be safer in
Amsterdam. That changed when Germany occupied Holland in World War
II.

De Wilde, 21, was arrested with her first husband, Lodewyk Meyer, and
his family while trying to escape to Switzerland. By the summer of
1943, she was on a cattle car to Auschwitz.

Arriving at the notorious Polish concentration camp, she heard
someone call for young married women to step forward. She did.

De Wilde ended up in a barracks for women used in medical
experiments. She never saw the doctors, who sent other prisoners to
do their work.

"You were just called by number down to the room," she said. "They
took X-rays and then inserted fluids into the vaginal area, and we
didn't know what it was. We thought either artificial insemination or
sterilization. And this was indeed the sterilization." To this day,
she has no idea what the fluid was.

"It didn't hurt," she remembers. "But I never had children. So it
must have worked." She witnessed even more brutal experiments, where
many women died.

The Germans, she later learned, were searching for ways to sterilize
mass numbers of people. Somehow, she knew she would survive. Her
husband did not.

Breeding better humans

The idea of eugenics in the early 1900s was that science
could "improve the human race," said Stephen Feinstein, director of
the University of Minnesota Center for Holocaust and Genocide
Studies, which is sponsoring the exhibit. The assumption was that
certain people were fitter than others by birth, and if well matched,
would produce the fittest children.

The theory had a certain rational appeal, said Bachrach. "If you
could breed better animals, why couldn't you breed better human
beings?"

But scientists quickly turned to the flip side: What about the "least
fit"?





#304 From: Jan Marszewski <goldmaster26@...>
Date: Mon Mar 3, 2008 3:08 pm
Subject: Re: Help: Arriving at the notorious Polish concentration camp
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I have written the letter copied below to the Star Tribune. I don't know what good it will do, but it's one more complaint!
 
Janusz
 
 
Sir
 
The article "A new Science Museum exhibit explores how a flawed science paved the way to atrocities" (25 February) contains one glaring error, describing Auschwitz as a "Polish concentration camp". As you are undoubtedly aware, this is a term deeply insulting to all individuals with a Polish background, such as myself. This implies that the camp was run not by the Nazis, but by the Poles. I appreciate that many people decribe it thus because Auschwitz is geographically within the borders of Poland, but if you want to describe it in that context, the correct term to use is "Nazi-occupied Poland". Auschwitz was established by the German Nazi regime, originally to house political prisoners. The Polish nation had nothing to do with its operation, and indeed, over 1 million Poles perished there until its liberation in 1945.
 
Would you describe Guantanamo Bay as a Cuban camp, simply because it is located on the island of Cuba? I think not!
 
Yours sincerely
 
Janusz Marszewski


Jan Niechwiadowicz <jan_niechwiadowicz@...> wrote:
Dear Group,

I do not normally raise alerts about German camps in occupied Poland
during WWII wrongly being called Polish here. Generally over at the
Polish Media Issues group we are able to get a positive reply from
the media responsible.

Sadly in the following case the organisation is refusing to accept
its wording is wrong hence I am calling on the Polonia at large to
express their views on this article and hopefully support us in
getting this corrected.

The article is generally very good and the Germans are clearly
mentioned BUT it still wrongly refers to the camps.

If you have time please express your views by writing to
corrections@startribune.com.

Regards

Jan Niechwiadowicz, Moderator Polish Media Issues Yahoo Group

Reply from Editor: The Auschwitz concentration camp was in occupied
Poland. Because there were concentration camps all over Europe
during WWII, the reference was to locate this particular
concentration camp among the many. If the writer had been describing
a particular camp in occupied Austria, she might have described it
as an Austrian camp. Also, the notoriety of Auschwitz as a Nazi
concentration camp -- undoubtedly the best-known concentration camp
by name -- and context of the story erases even the slightest
possibility there would be confusion about who was running the camp.

Originally Article:

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/15948397.html

At the dawn of the Nazi era, a prominent Minneapolis physician sent a
letter to Adolf Hitler, praising his "plan to stamp out mental
inferiority among the German people."

At the time, Dr. Charles Dight was an influential public leader, a
former city alderman who had founded the Minnesota Eugenics Society.
As such, he believed that the "feebleminded" were unfit to have
children. He didn't hide his admiration for the German chancellor.

"I trust you will accept my sincere wish that your efforts along that
line will be a great success," he wrote on Aug. 1, 1933, "and will
advance the eugenics movement in other nations as well as in
Germany."

Dight died before he could see where that movement would lead.

The lure of eugenics -- the idea that science could improve on
humanity by weeding out "undesirable traits" -- is the focus
of "Deadly Medicine: Creating the Master Race," an exhibit opening
tomorrow at the Science Museum of Minnesota.

The traveling collection of books, artifacts, posters, historic
newsreels and interviews with survivors was produced by the U.S.
Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., and runs through May 4
in St. Paul.

It explores how highly educated people on both sides of the Atlantic,
such as Dight, were swept up in the eugenics movement of the early
20th century. In the United States, that led to forced sterilizations
in mental institutions, including thousands of Minnesotans.

In Nazi Germany, mass sterilization was just the beginning.

"This exhibition was designed to answer one of the big 'how was the
Holocaust possible' questions," said Susan Bachrach, curator of the
exhibition at the Holocaust Museum. "One of the answers has to do
with the role of physicians and scientists."

"Deadly Medicine" documents how doctors ended up committing barbaric
acts in the name of science.

Today, people such as Margot de Wilde of Plymouth still bear the
scars. This week, she will share her story at an exhibit preview for
local teachers.

Surviving Nazi experiments

De Wilde, now 86, fled her native Berlin in the early 1930s, just as
the Nazis were coming to power.

Her parents, who were Jewish, thought the family would be safer in
Amsterdam. That changed when Germany occupied Holland in World War
II.

De Wilde, 21, was arrested with her first husband, Lodewyk Meyer, and
his family while trying to escape to Switzerland. By the summer of
1943, she was on a cattle car to Auschwitz.

Arriving at the notorious Polish concentration camp, she heard
someone call for young married women to step forward. She did.

De Wilde ended up in a barracks for women used in medical
experiments. She never saw the doctors, who sent other prisoners to
do their work.

"You were just called by number down to the room," she said. "They
took X-rays and then inserted fluids into the vaginal area, and we
didn't know what it was. We thought either artificial insemination or
sterilization. And this was indeed the sterilization." To this day,
she has no idea what the fluid was.

"It didn't hurt," she remembers. "But I never had children. So it
must have worked." She witnessed even more brutal experiments, where
many women died.

The Germans, she later learned, were searching for ways to sterilize
mass numbers of people. Somehow, she knew she would survive. Her
husband did not.

Breeding better humans

The idea of eugenics in the early 1900s was that science
could "improve the human race," said Stephen Feinstein, director of
the University of Minnesota Center for Holocaust and Genocide
Studies, which is sponsoring the exhibit. The assumption was that
certain people were fitter than others by birth, and if well matched,
would produce the fittest children.

The theory had a certain rational appeal, said Bachrach. "If you
could breed better animals, why couldn't you breed better human
beings?"

But scientists quickly turned to the flip side: What about the "least
fit"?



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#305 From: redkat111@...
Date: Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: Help: Arriving at the notorious Polish concentration camp
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Well here is my correspondence with the Star Tribune.  
 
Ania
 
Dear Maura,
 
Thank you again for your response.  The phrase is inherently inaccurate as they were not Polish camps.   They were Nazi camps located in occupied Poland.   It's like calling Guantanamo Bay a Cuban detention centre.  Clearly inherently incorrect as the centre is American and simply in Cuban soil.   The implication to someone not familiar with the history of Guantanamo reading about it sixty years later is that it was set up and run by Cubans.
 
What may seem factually correct to you, is clearly not correct to everyone else.  
 
Regards,
 
Anna
 
 
 
 
Obviously you feel strongly that they were Polish camps otherwise you would reconsider your decision. 
 
In a message dated 03/03/2008 19:03:43 GMT Standard Time, mlerner@... writes:
Dear Anna,
Well, I believe there is a difference between a phrase that may upset some individuals, and a phrase that is inherently inaccurate. We publish corrections all the time, in the latter case. We would be hard pressed to write a newspaper story that upsets no one.
I believe the phrase was not inaccurate. It did, however, touch off alarm bells among certain readers. No one disputes the location of Auschwitz. What bothers people is the phrasing. But it is commonplace in newspapers to use location as an adjective: the Minnesota stadium; the Florida university.
Again, I believe the context of the story made it clear that this was a Nazi concentration camp.
So thanks again for taking the time to write. Sorry if our response didn't satisfy you, but I just wanted to explain the reason for our position.
Best wishes,
Maura Lerner
 
 
 
Maura Lerner
Medical Reporter
Star Tribune
Ph: 612-673-7384


>>> <Redkat111@...> 3/3/2008 12:33 PM >>>
Dear Maura,
 
Thank you for your response.  I am writing from London, England.
 
I am sorry to hear that you do not feel such a small correction cannot be made, particularly as you refer to the Polish communities' strength of opinion on the subject.  I'm sure the correction one one word would be easier than responding to numerous emails complaining of the error.  
 
The context of the story does not stop the reader from coming away with a subliminal message that the camps were something to do with Poland and Poles, which is clearly not the case.   The fact that you do not wish to change this leads me to believe that you deliberately want to send out such a subliminal message to the reader.   Otherwise why else not make such a small change?
 
Kind regards,
 
Anna
 
In a message dated 03/03/2008 16:18:37 GMT Standard Time, mlerner@... writes:
Dear Anna,
Thanks for your note. I've certainly learned in the last few days the level of sensitivity in the Polish community on this subject.
As a writer, I was merely trying to save a few keystrokes in identifying the location of the Auschwitz concentration camp. The context of the story made it clear that it was a Nazi German facility; I do not believe any reader would conclude otherwise. The sentence was accurate, just as I might describe a clinic in Paris as "the Paris clinic."
I understand the concerns raised. But after discussing them with my editor, we do not believe a correction is warranted.
However, you are welcome to send a letter to the editor for possible publication on our editorial page. To do so, send the letter to opinion@....
Sincerely,
Maura Lerner
 
Maura Lerner
Medical Reporter
Star Tribune
Ph: 612-673-7384


>>> <Redkat111@...> 3/1/2008 7:39 PM >>>
To the Editor,
 
Dear Sir or Madam,
I write in respect of Maura Lerner's above article on Eugenics dated 25th February. 
 
There are a couple of factual inaccuracies in the article, which may appear trivial to some, but which are nonetheless revisionist in their nature.
 
The two quotes that jump out are as follows :
 
"The Germans, she later learned, were searching for ways to sterilize mass numbers of people. Somehow, she knew she would survive. Her husband did not. "
 
Fact : the correct terminology here should be referring to Nazis and not to Germans.  Not all Germans were Nazis and not all Nazis were German.  The atrocities were committed by a political group rather than a particular nationality.  It would be the same as saying that the Russians sent many to the gulag, whereas in fact the Soviets were responsible and most Russians were just as much victims of Soviet repression as any of the other victims. 
 
 
"De Wilde, 21, was arrested with her first husband, Lodewyk Meyer, and
his family while trying to escape to Switzerland. By the summer of
1943, she was on a cattle car to Auschwitz.

Arriving at the notorious Polish concentration camp, she heard
someone call for young married women to step forward. She did."
 
Fact : Auschwitz concentration camp was not Polish.  It was a Nazi camp in Nazi-occupied Poland.  Poland did not technically exist when the atrocities there took place.  Your article needlessly states it is Polish which adds nothing to the content other than to subliminally link Poland to the atrocities there in the mind of the reader.  If that is not your intention then I suggest you revise it to reflect fact - that fact being that it should read "arriving at the notorious nazi concentration camp".  
 
 
Regards,
 
Anna
 
 
 

 
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