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Re: Looking for info on Alfred Danikel andSon barge

Dave,

I don't think that the lettering is likely to be a barge name. It
would not warrant having a special place on a business sign unless a
particular barge was special and thus a unique selling point. Any
barge name would have been on the carving itself, I'd say.

So ... GRAIN ... I would say are a couple of words describing the
type of trade Daniels was involved in. This board is in effect an
advert! So it will be something like "Grain Merchant ..." or
something that involves a word like "PPIEPS." I don't think your
interpreation of this word is correct. I think some of the "P"s might
be "R"s. I'm sure it's a word describing some *activity*.

Michael - do you know if any has written a history of the Daniels
family? The clue would be in there.

Mike

--- In Thames_Barges@..., Dave Schwain <dschwain@y...>
wrote:
>
> Mike, I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I
> was traveling much of the last day or so. I appreciate
> your interest, and have tried to respond as best I
> can, with responses in caps. (Since getting your
> email, I have seen Michael Land's comments that it
> looks like a business sign. This might be the case,
> the words I've asked about appears in the lower left
> corner of this plaque, and I had assumed it referred
> to the ship. My comments are in caps: (THANK YOU AGAIN
> FOR YOUR INTEREST AND IDEAS!)
>
> --- Mike Wignall <thamesmatch@y...> wrote:
>
> > --- In Thames_Barges@..., Dave Schwain
> > <dschwain@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > Well ... I'm like dog with a bone on this!
> >
> > (a) what is the total number of letters involved in
> > the name - both
> > legible and illegible?
> > THERE APPEAR TO BE 13 LETTERS OR SPACES, ALTHOUGH
> THERE COULD BE ONE MORE OR LESS. THE FIRST THREE ARE
> DEFINITELY "GRA" AND THE LAST FIVE ARE DEFINITELY
> "PIEPS." I THINK THE FIRST FOUR ARE "GRAIN" FOLLOWED
> BY A SPACE BREAK OR LETTER, AND ANOTHER SPACE FOR A
> LETTER OR BREAK, FOLLOWED BY WHAT I THINK ARE SIX
> LETTERS "PPIEPS."
> > (b) do the letters form a single contiguous [smart
> > word :-)] word? AS I NOTED ABOVE, I CAN'T
> TELL..THERE MAY BE TWO WORDS
> >
> > (c) you've got 2 dashes in your name. Does that
> > represent just two
> > illegible lettes in that perticular position - or
> > what? YES...HOPEFULLY I WAS CLEAR IN MY RESPONSE
> ABOVE
> >
> > (d) do you think there's a "dash" in the middle of
> > the word which
> > might separate the barges name from a second word
> > e.g. a port of
> > registration? THIS SOUNDS LIKE A POSSIBLE ANSWER!
> >
> > Try looking at the name in different coloured light
> > ideally blue and
> > red and at different angles to help pick out colour!
> > THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA, I TRIED AS YOU SUGGESTED, BUT
> WASN'T ABLE TO GET ANYTHING NEW .
> >
> > We should be able to crack this - the identifiable
> > sequence of
> > letters are quite helpful in a way.
> >
> > My semi-guess would be based on this skeleton entry
> > in a lsit I hold:
> >
> > ************
> >
> > VERHEYDEN, P., (????-????): ????, Dunkirk, France,
> > ????-????; owner
> > SB Gravelines I [ex Ena 1905)], 1905-1912; [NB
> > should 1905 be 1906?]
> > SB Gravelines II [ex Hilda (1906)]; 1907-1912;
> >
> >
> > **********
> >
> > How about "Gravelines"? Would that fit? Then there's
> > the "ppieps"
> > bit. I wonder if Verheyeden registered her in
> > Dieppe? Problem is I'm
> > not aware that Gravelines [1 or 2] were ever owned
> > by Daniels :-(
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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I am looking for the correct name and any information on a specific barge owned by Alfred Daniel and Son of Whistable. I have some but not all of the letters...
dschwain
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Mar 5, 2006
10:04 pm

Hello Dave, I am just wondering if the ppieps part is on the starboard side of the transom in which case you could be looking at Ipswich. ... not ... about...
Michael Land
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Mar 10, 2006
10:19 pm

Michael, thanks for your time and thoughts....that may be the most logical explanation. Dave Schwain ... __________________________________________________ Do...
Dave Schwain
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Mar 12, 2006
12:49 pm

Dave, Are you working from a photo or a handwritten document? In either case could you do a scan and post it to this group - it will be far easier to work...
Mike Wignall
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Mar 12, 2006
11:37 am

Mike, I'm working from a wood plaque I'm restoring that had hand lettering, and a "relief" model of the ship. Perhaps the creator made some type of mistake or ...
Dave Schwain
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Mar 12, 2006
12:55 pm

Hi Dave, would that be a half model that your working on? If so it would not show the port of registry or any paint come to think of it. I have some photos of...
Michael Land
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Mar 13, 2006
8:38 pm

Michael, it is a half model. The words were painted on the wood mounting backboard of the half model. "Alfred Daniel and Son of Whistable" and the name ...
Dave Schwain
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Mar 14, 2006
12:03 pm

... Well ... I'm like dog with a bone on this! (a) what is the total number of letters involved in the name - both legible and illegible? (b) do the letters...
Mike Wignall
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Mar 14, 2006
12:49 pm

I like the way your'e thinking Mike, especially with the coloured lighting and Dieppe. I must admit I had'nt thought of those things. And I think that this...
Michael Land
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Mar 16, 2006
10:15 pm

Mike, I'm sorry to be late getting back to you, but I was traveling much of the last day or so. I appreciate your interest, and have tried to respond as best I...
Dave Schwain
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Mar 16, 2006
11:00 pm

Dave, I don't think that the lettering is likely to be a barge name. It would not warrant having a special place on a business sign unless a particular barge...
Mike Wignall
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Mar 18, 2006
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