----- Original Message -----
From: "A1" <andrew_zito@...>
Newsgroups: francom.echecs,nl.sport.schaken,rec.games.chess.politics
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: $0 Prize Rated Tournaments but as masters don't pay EFs why
should we?? Chess is a Sport!!


> I agree with the general gist of what you are saying, as from my general
> business experience leads me to the same exact conclusion (you are more
> responsible in your approach to the question than Mr "Tiny" Tim Hanke (et
al
> company maybe you should run for EB you can't do worse than "Tiny" Tim) as
> generally business on a large scale should be done by making a request/s
for
> proposals/bids by the group/business desiring circumstances on which it
can
> act ... sometimes a good deal can be made by negiotating ... though
between
> the numbers on one side and the asthetic values on the other there are
> choices to be made (as Donald Trump aptly tilitled the book "The Art of
the
> Deal") ....
>
> Mr. Goichberg undoubtly will feel some discomfort with people talking
about
> this ...... but frankly he was not completely candid for if he were ......
> we would have a bunch of numbers right now before us to crunch (and
that's
> alot of work to come to clean off the bench) ...... just like when he (on
> his website) throws numbers at the USCF and its members... he's a pro he
> knows what he is saying (but) to him it is also a job for him to make
easier
> not better for others (if we have maney we can enter tournaments if we
don't
> we can't ... and it doesn't matter how good we play chess.
>
> I was very impressed by the Mexican world record of the most number of
> participants in a chess tournament, and also very impressed by the Central
> Park Open (that got off to a rough start the first year and is slowly
> ironing out the sharp edges) ... the chess events of the USSR Yugoslavia
etc
> also are very impressive.
>
> But why is it these guys always want me to spent more money than I
normally
> budget myself .... is it such a problem to make arrangements to have a
block
> of more inexpensive accomodations nearby and some sort of means to
transport
> those staying there back and forth? I don't exactly care if these people
are
> capitalists (the USA is the World Center of capitalism no way to get
around
> it) but SOME OF THESE PEOPLE are some of the most petty, self-centered,
mean
> spirited, spiteful, counter productive capitalist, anarchistic,
libertarian,
> cut off the nose to spite the face kind of people I have heard from.
>
> Let me ask what does it cost to arrange for a van service to and from the
> hotel site to another nearby motel/hotel and to make arrangements for a
> block of rooms at another hotel/motel? Not much after all the projected
> gross receipts of the Vegas event 13th annual are OVER $143,650 hmm??
There
> are van services back in Queens New
> York illegally/legally competing with regular bus routes and on moving
from
> NYC after traveling south I arrived
> in PA where I found a pretty decent good clean hotel room with cable TV
for
> only $415 per month so why do I want a room at Bally's for $86 a night for
> four days ($344)
>
> Personal let Mr Goichberg book the site for tournaments but I bet you if I
> get enough requests for accomodations in any town city or hamlet in the
USA
> (I can accept electronicly Mastercharge Visa Discovery card charges plus
> bank transfers etc) I can book a block of rooms at rates better than what
Mr
> Goichberg arranges..(for a booking fee to cover expenses) including
swimming
> pool gym jacuzzi cable TV (and transportation to and from the site)
perhaps
> even Internet access in the rooms (individual or double occupied).
>
> So let Tiny Tim blow his money of the biggest most expensive suite he can
> find (I doubt he can afford it.. if he can get a reservation) as Alekhine
> played for quarters when salaries were $5 a week let us see them try the
> first thing they'll say when they lose is they weren't playing for money,
> but actually sure they are... unless its all for fun and no money is
> involved in which case I'll meet you in my friendly neighborhood park...
now
> that's an idea ... rent tables and run major tournaments in the parks...
oh
> shucks I forgot some of these guys/gals only run on high octane.
>
> with best wishs
> gens una sumus
> AZ
>
> "Kevin L. Bachler" <Kbachler@...> wrote in message
> news:bmrsqi02v38@....
> > In article <eJ6kb.334$Fc5.319@...>, A1 says...
> > >
> > >Mr. Goichberg:
> > SNIP
> >
> > >I think you are a very astute man.. So answer me this who should the
> money
> > >go to the participants and organizers of chess tournaments or the big
> > >hotels?
> >
> > There isn't any "should" about it. It's not a moral decision. It's an
> economic
> > one. The hotels charge what they charge. You either pay it or don't
use
> them.
> > If the numbers work better with them, you use them and have more entries
> per
> > Bill's comment. If the numbers for schools were better, you might use
> them,
> > even though your number of entries may decrease.
> >
> > Kevin L. Bachler
>
>