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Re: [Whitley_project] Particular Whitley 612 Squadron

David
I am no expert like some of the guys rebuilding a Whitley.
My uncle was a pilot killed after crashing in fog when recalled from a raid in Sept 41.
he was also involved in a ditching in the North Sea for a few days after some damage on the way back from a raid.
My mother came across a diary he had kept from the day war started and through training. I typed it up a couple of years ago and did a bit more research.
We also applied for and got 3 medals he was entitled to for taking part in the war.
 
The Whitley File was published by Air-Britain publications in 1986 , ISBN 0 85130 127 4. it is A4 softback 72 pages.
I bought a copy via e-bay.  Some second hand book dealers may have it, www.abebooks.co.uk is a good place to start.
 
There is a picture of a 612 Whitley in the book - see attached scan.
 
Z6633 is from the same batch of 279 Whitleys (Z6461 to Z6959 with some numbers missed out).
 
I have also attached a couple of exports of Favourites files with links to Whitley and RAF info I have come across.
You should be able to import them into Internet Explorer or similar.
 
I have another leaflet with pictures of a 612 Whitley. I will scan it and send it.
 
Regards
Colin
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Whitley_project] Particular Whitley 612 Squadron

Dear Colin - Please excuse the additional reply.
 
I was planning to use the attached photo as a key source for the model project - but as you can see this shows Z6633.
The photo label suggests it is a Mark VII - but the number is below those that you've quoted - in fact it precedes all of them. Does this mean it is neither a V or a VII ?
 
Or am I misunderstanding how the number system worked ? What is Z6633 listed as in the Whitley File ?
 
Also - I wondered - is there any way of identifying what the squadron call sign for any particular aircraft might have been from the records you have sight off ?
 
Hope this isn't pressing you to much for information ! It is absolutely fascinating for me !!!
 
Kind regards
 
David
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Dear Colin
 
Thank you very much for taking the time to reply.
 
I had assumed a Mark VII from other information so knowing it was a Mark V will help with the authenticity of the modelling.
 
Of course 612 was Coastal Command which might explain why it doesn't show in the Bomber Command records. Do you know if there was a similar, separate Coastal Command record kept ?
 
Could you let me know if the "Whitley File" was a published book - ie could I ask my library to get a copy for me ?
 
Kind regards
 
David
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Subject: Re: [Whitley_project] Particular Whitley 612 Squadron

David
The book "The Whitley File" shows Whitley Z6810 of 612 "lost on transit flight from Wick to Reykjavik" 25/12/41.
Whitley numbers Z6793 to Z6842 are Mk V according to that book.
 
The book RAF Bomber Command losses 1941 does not include this loss. If it had it would have shown the crew members.
 
Regards
Colin Findlay
 
----- Original Message -----
From: enf855d
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: [Whitley_project] Particular Whitley 612 Squadron

Dear All

I am researching the loss of my uncle, Philip Halliday, RAFVR on
Christmas Day 1941 who was pilot Navigator in a Mark VII Whitley
fitted with ASV. On the day I beleive he was relocating to Rejkavik
from Wick and my mother says they were actually carrying the
Christmas post to the new base.

I intend to model his particular aircraft (Frog Kit) and my research
has turned up a nice picture of G George of 612 - but I would like
to know the call sign and number of Philips plane specifically.
Could anyone help me ?

As part of the research I have already connected with a member of
612 who was there just before my uncle. He provided some interesting
general data below.

Other research suggests to me that the CO of 612 Sqdn in i941 was
JBM Wallis - is that right ?

Any background people could help me with would be gratefully
received.

Many thanks

David

Regarding your uncle Philip Halliday, I regret that I can not be of
much
help.
I left 612 Squadron in early January 1941 as we were converting to
Whitleys
when the squadron was based at Dyce. At that time I do not recall
anyone by
the name of Philip Halliday in the squadron. He may have joined
later in the
year.
In Dec. 1941 I joined 502 Squadron again flying Whitleys.
Regarding Whitleys, some were powered by U.S.A. Packard built
Merlins which
could develop coolant leaks and thus engine failure and the Whitley
would
not remain airborne on one engine.
The last C.O. of 612 wrote a history of the squadron after it was
disbanded
in the 1950s or 1960s. I expect that a copy woud be available in
Aberdeen as
it was the city of Aberdeen Auxiliary squadron pre war.


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Dear All I am researching the loss of my uncle, Philip Halliday, RAFVR on Christmas Day 1941 who was pilot Navigator in a Mark VII Whitley fitted with ASV. On...
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Mar 4, 2008
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David The book "The Whitley File" shows Whitley Z6810 of 612 "lost on transit flight from Wick to Reykjavik" 25/12/41. Whitley numbers Z6793 to Z6842 are Mk V...
C Findlay
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Dear Colin Thank you very much for taking the time to reply. I had assumed a Mark VII from other information so knowing it was a Mark V will help with the...
David Briggs
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Mar 5, 2008
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Dear Colin - Please excuse the additional reply. I was planning to use the attached photo as a key source for the model project - but as you can see this shows...
David Briggs
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David I am no expert like some of the guys rebuilding a Whitley. My uncle was a pilot killed after crashing in fog when recalled from a raid in Sept 41. he was...
C Findlay
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... from a raid in Sept 41. ... after some damage on the way back from a raid. ... and through training. I typed it up a couple of years ago and did a bit more...
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I have a DVD from the Imperial War Museum Collection about the Air Transport Auxiliary delivering aircraft in 1941, including rare footage of a Whitley take...
C Findlay
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Thanks Colin - some pics here that my research had not turned up - particulalry the censored one. Today I discovered this site - which has over 90 pictures....
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Hi David It appears that some Mk Vs may have been converted to Mk VII - we carried out a recovery on a coastal command Mk V Whitley a few years back and found...
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Mar 8, 2008
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Thanks for this Elliot This is a fascinating trail ! From the information that Graham Brett has so kindly provided - (sse below) it appears that on Christmas...
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