--- In Whitley_project@y..., "brian_dickinson1" <briand@b...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm Brian Dickinson and I reside in the Edinburgh area. I've been
to
> most of the High ground Whitley crash sites in Scotland, and have
met
> Elliot on several occasions. Nice to see that the Whitley Project
has
> at last something on the web to aid pooling of information /
> resources / memories. Speak soon,
>
> Brian
Hello Brian,
Actually this is not an official Whitley project grouop as such. I
started it as somewhere to upload my pics of the Glen Esk recovery is
all. Elliot is supposed to be uploading the official website at some
point but this Yahoo club has acted as a focal point for a few
interested people who are searching the web for Whitley project info.
Let's say it has filled a gap (It's getting to be a big gap, though,
Elliot! -hint!)
Anyway, glad to have you along. Perhaps you can share some
recovery/crash site pics and info with us?
Hi folks,
I'm Brian Dickinson and I reside in the Edinburgh area. I've been to
most of the High ground Whitley crash sites in Scotland, and have met
Elliot on several occasions. Nice to see that the Whitley Project has
at last something on the web to aid pooling of information /
resources / memories. Speak soon,
Brian
I was hoping to be able to post some news here every month or so, but
alas I've not much to report.
I had an interresting e-mail from Roger Farmer who tells me he wrote
a thesis on Whitley production in Coventry which should be available
in Coventry reference library and had news of wreckage at Loch Nagar.
Well, all information is valuable so I have asked Bill Grifin if he
may be able to look into it and have passed Roger's e-mail onto
Elliot.
That's about all that I've heard for the last two months!
If anyone knows of any more developements please let us know,
Steve R.
I've just had a breif e-mail from Elliot.
The web site still isn't ready, yet. Elliot says he's concentrated on
recovering lumps of air-frame.
That's all the news I have for you at the moment!
Steve Reynolds
Thanks for your reply. I agree with you that war graves should remain untouched where they are as memorials to the service men/women whose remains may still be present. With regard to material from crashes where there is documented evidence that all crewmen survived, I would support a recovery and restoration approach to any such material. With regard to your story about a turret from a whitely that remained untouched on the mountain I have a turret story of my own. I visited New Zealand in 1996 and was lucky enough to visit the aircraft museum in Christchurch. I think there is what looks like a Harvard as a gate guard on display there. The museum had a front turret (minus the .303 machine guns ) on display which came from a Sunderland flying boat. I don't know if the Whitley has a front turret or if they are the same type but this information may be of some interest to someone.
Regards,
Michael Coughlan.
-----Original Message----- From: steven_e007 [mailto:Steven@...] Sent: 06 September 2002 08:34 To: Whitley_project@... Subject: [Whitley_project] Re: Whitley excavation
Hello Mike,
Sorry about the delay in replying. I tried earlier in the week but Yahoo was playing up - or down for maintainance or something.
Thanks for the message.
As for my own opinion on excavations of this type:
Well, personally I beleive they need very careful planning and a bit more common sense than some groups have been known to use.
If there is a chance that the wreck may contain human remains then I beleive it is essential to consult with the famillies of the airmen first (I mean before ANY disturbance is done, not after the bones have been dug up...). Secondly if there is a chance of disturbing live bombs again careful planning and consultation is neccesary.
I know of a 'certain' group who have done digs where they have found bones - then called in the coronor who then contacted the famillies - who were not too happy. The same group on another dig unearthed a bomber with a bombay full of 500lb bombs. They immediately contacted the military who had to come and do a controlled explosion. They were not too happy either....
In both cases the group considered it had followed the correct proceedure and done nothing wrong.
Personally I think these eventualities should be handled before the dig - not after. With human remains; if it is handled properly and sympathetically then many families are happy that there loved ones can be laid to rest and their story told - but if they choose for the crash to be left undisturbed then that should be respected too.
In the case of live ordinance I think the military should be involved from the start if the airframe is worth recovering - and it should be left alone if it isn't.
It also seems common sense to agree on what to do with the wreck at the start, too! I can't see much sense in the 'lets dig and see what we can find' mentality. Unfortunately a lot of wreckage has been removed from many crash site by 'recovery groups' - then 'lost'.
Such a fate befell the rear turret from Whitley BD242 in Snowdonia. It lay mostly intact for 40 years before being 'recovered' by someone. No one knows where it is now!
Just my thoughts.
Steve Reynolds.
--- In Whitley_project@y..., "mikecoughlan2002" <mikecoughlan@e...> wrote: > Hello guys, > I have recently come across the documented evidence of a dig, which > took place on Whitley T1468 of 502 Squadron, which was based at > limavady and crashed in Eire on the 24th of January 1941. There were > 4 bombs on this aircraft 2 of which exploded on impact. According to > military archives in Eire military personnel disposed of the other 2 > at the time. However during the dig one very live 250lb bomb was > uncovered. Apparently a video record of this dig was recorded during > the excavation. The exciting news is that 2 Merlin X engines were > recovered from the crash site. The bad news is that there was a > difference of opinion between the recovery team as to the best thing > to do with the remains and they parted company on bad terms. This dig > is documented in a book called down in a free state (wartime air > crashes and forced landings in Eire 1939-1945. I.S.B.N. 0 9525496 5 > 4. I would very much like a return e-mail with people's opinions of > this type of excavation. Regards, Michael Coughlan.
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Hello Mike,
Sorry about the delay in replying. I tried earlier in the week but
Yahoo was playing up - or down for maintainance or something.
Thanks for the message.
As for my own opinion on excavations of this type:
Well, personally I beleive they need very careful planning and a bit
more common sense than some groups have been known to use.
If there is a chance that the wreck may contain human remains then I
beleive it is essential to consult with the famillies of the airmen
first (I mean before ANY disturbance is done, not after the bones
have been dug up...). Secondly if there is a chance of disturbing
live bombs again careful planning and consultation is neccesary.
I know of a 'certain' group who have done digs where they have found
bones - then called in the coronor who then contacted the famillies -
who were not too happy. The same group on another dig unearthed a
bomber with a bombay full of 500lb bombs. They immediately contacted
the military who had to come and do a controlled explosion. They were
not too happy either....
In both cases the group considered it had followed the correct
proceedure and done nothing wrong.
Personally I think these eventualities should be handled before the
dig - not after. With human remains; if it is handled properly and
sympathetically then many families are happy that there loved ones
can be laid to rest and their story told - but if they choose for the
crash to be left undisturbed then that should be respected too.
In the case of live ordinance I think the military should be involved
from the start if the airframe is worth recovering - and it should be
left alone if it isn't.
It also seems common sense to agree on what to do with the wreck at
the start, too! I can't see much sense in the 'lets dig and see what
we can find' mentality. Unfortunately a lot of wreckage has been
removed from many crash site by 'recovery groups' - then 'lost'.
Such a fate befell the rear turret from Whitley BD242 in Snowdonia.
It lay mostly intact for 40 years before being 'recovered' by
someone. No one knows where it is now!
Just my thoughts.
Steve Reynolds.
--- In Whitley_project@y..., "mikecoughlan2002" <mikecoughlan@e...>
wrote:
> Hello guys,
> I have recently come across the documented evidence of a dig, which
> took place on Whitley T1468 of 502 Squadron, which was based at
> limavady and crashed in Eire on the 24th of January 1941. There
were
> 4 bombs on this aircraft 2 of which exploded on impact. According
to
> military archives in Eire military personnel disposed of the other
2
> at the time. However during the dig one very live 250lb bomb was
> uncovered. Apparently a video record of this dig was recorded
during
> the excavation. The exciting news is that 2 Merlin X engines were
> recovered from the crash site. The bad news is that there was a
> difference of opinion between the recovery team as to the best
thing
> to do with the remains and they parted company on bad terms. This
dig
> is documented in a book called down in a free state (wartime air
> crashes and forced landings in Eire 1939-1945. I.S.B.N. 0 9525496 5
> 4. I would very much like a return e-mail with people's opinions of
> this type of excavation. Regards, Michael Coughlan.
Hello guys,
I have recently come across the documented evidence of a dig, which
took place on Whitley T1468 of 502 Squadron, which was based at
limavady and crashed in Eire on the 24th of January 1941. There were
4 bombs on this aircraft 2 of which exploded on impact. According to
military archives in Eire military personnel disposed of the other 2
at the time. However during the dig one very live 250lb bomb was
uncovered. Apparently a video record of this dig was recorded during
the excavation. The exciting news is that 2 Merlin X engines were
recovered from the crash site. The bad news is that there was a
difference of opinion between the recovery team as to the best thing
to do with the remains and they parted company on bad terms. This dig
is documented in a book called down in a free state (wartime air
crashes and forced landings in Eire 1939-1945. I.S.B.N. 0 9525496 5
4. I would very much like a return e-mail with people's opinions of
this type of excavation. Regards, Michael Coughlan.
I've posted the pictures of the Whitley items recovered from the
crash site at Bellingham (Near Newcastle - u - Tyne) and displayed at
the North East Aircraft Museum in Sunderland. Nothing to get exited
about - there are only small items, all of which are fixed to a
wooden board to display on the wall!
Still, it's good to see the museum doing what it can to preserve the
history of the aircraft and remember the crews who flew in them.
Steve R.
Hello Simon,
Thanks for your message. Sorry I didn't reply earlier, I was away in
Newcastle -u- t for the week. I see Bill has been looking after you
though!
Whilst I was 'up North' I dropped in the North East Aircraft Museum
in Sunderland. It's a nice museum, quite a few interesting aircraft
and I'm pleased to see that most are under cover. There are some
exellent restoration projects under way, too.
Whitley wise they have done a recovery and have a small display of
bits recovered from a crash site at Bellingham, west of Newcastle.
Nothing very big or useful to a rebuild, just a few odd items, but I
will post the pictures in the photos section. Maybe at the weekend.
As far as the history of the Whitley is concerned, I think it might
be useful to post some information in the files section, I may do
that at the weekend, too.
What did your airman at the Tattoo have to say about the Whitley?
Best wishes,
Steve Reynolds.
- In Whitley_project@y..., "lion_in_winter_uk" <simon.drew@v...>
wrote:
> I would just like to wish you all good luck in your project. I live
> in Whitley in Coventry about 300 yards from the current Jaguar
> Engineering plant, which is where I believe the original Whitley
> factory was situated. From the point when I saw the wreckage at the
> Baginton air museum I have been intrigued by the history of this
> plane and the history of my local area.
> I was at the Royal Air Tattoo at the weekend helping with the RAF
> Benevolent fund, greeting and looking after air veterans. There I
met
> an airman who had flown Whitley Bombers, and others who had fond
> memories of Bagington at that time. The whole day was very
enjoyable.
> So again good luck with your endeavours and I shall follow your
> progress keenly.
> All the best
> Simon Drew
I have just found your e mail to the Whitley Group ;and thought it warranted a reply.
I am a group member ,and also an ex Armstrong Whitworth apprentice and British Airways engineer; my aviation career coming to a sudden end. when a mystery illness was diagnosed as facial cancer in 1988.But that's another story.
With a life time in aviation behind me ; I have within the group; taken it upon myself ;to search for whatever technical information I can find. I was involved locally ;in the 1970s with a Spitfire restoration project ( TB 863. now flying in New Zealand) and during that project ; we were always desperate for technical info. I am certain this will be even more of a problem with the Whitley ; so I am hopeful that maybe within the families of those that worked on the Whitley; there may still be technical data gathering dust on shelves and in cupboards etc.etc .I have informed the A.W.A ex apprentice association but as yet; nothing has come to hand.
I intend shortly to do a letter to the Coventry Telegraph; in the hope that this may bring in some details, I know it.s a shot in the dark; but you never know your luck.I hope this week to establish exactly what company drawings were deposited at the R.A.F. museum at Hendon; on the closure of Baginton.Some confusion surrounds these, but as my old apprentice supervisor took them down personally; and he is still alive and well and living in Kenilworth. then we hope to know exactly what was deposited at Hendon..
As of now; I am trying to locate a copy for photo copying, of the Whitley Air Publication.This being a sort of maintenance manual.I think a copy exists in the British Library; but they require the AP Ref number before they can do a search; and I do not know it .They apparently do not have the resources to do this for me; so I am trying to find this also.I have been in touch with the Avro Manchester;Lancaster and Whitley Bomber group Association in Canada, but again nothing has come from my efforts.
I thought you maybe interested in hearing a bit about the group ; hence my e mail.Although a new comer to the group;I am lead to believe that a large amount of Whitley wreckage has been collected, and other crash sites are being looked at ;all of this being held somewhere in East Anglia
.As a local man to both myself, Baginton and Whitley;I will try to keep you informed as to progress. Kind Regards,
I would just like to wish you all good luck in your project. I live in Whitley in Coventry about 300 yards from the current Jaguar Engineering plant, which is where I believe the original Whitley factory was situated. From the point when I saw the wreckage at the Baginton air museum I have been intrigued by the history of this plane and the history of my local area. I was at the Royal Air Tattoo at the weekend helping with the RAF Benevolent fund, greeting and looking after air veterans. There I met an airman who had flown Whitley Bombers, and others who had fond memories of Bagington at that time. The whole day was very enjoyable. So again good luck with your endeavours and I shall follow your progress keenly. All the best Simon Drew
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I would just like to wish you all good luck in your project. I live
in Whitley in Coventry about 300 yards from the current Jaguar
Engineering plant, which is where I believe the original Whitley
factory was situated. From the point when I saw the wreckage at the
Baginton air museum I have been intrigued by the history of this
plane and the history of my local area.
I was at the Royal Air Tattoo at the weekend helping with the RAF
Benevolent fund, greeting and looking after air veterans. There I met
an airman who had flown Whitley Bombers, and others who had fond
memories of Bagington at that time. The whole day was very enjoyable.
So again good luck with your endeavours and I shall follow your
progress keenly.
All the best
Simon Drew
I forgot to tell you about the enclosed in my e mail, so am sending them as attachments.As this is new to me;I can but hope you receive them ok.I have some more info I have found on the internet, but as of now I cannot locate it.When I do I will forward it on.If these attachments get through OK.let me know; as its a step in the dark so to speak as far as my internet learning goes.Regards Bill Griff.
I have been trying to obtain a copy of the book from the Putnam series "Armstrong Whitworth Aircraft Since 1913" by Oliver Tapper. It was first issued in 1973 and is one of the ones they have never re- released, for some reason.
Well, thanks to the Internet I am now in possesion of a second hand copy which contains an excellent write up on the Whitley as well as quite a few pictures I have not seen before.
It is suprising how many 'firsts' the Whitley had to it's credit. It is quite an underestimated aircraft in many ways. I intend to write up a few details which I may post in the files section later.
Steve Reynolds.
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I saw your e mail after you had visited the Coventry museum.Had I have known you could have called for a cup of tea with me;as I am only about 20 minutes away from Baginton.I must agree with your comments about their Whitley fuselage section.I went to see it shortly after its arrival; and decided it was only worth looking at as it was part of a Whitley.With Ref to Putnams book; I have a copy ;purchased when it first came out.I have other books that were only available to A.W.A employees that I think may well have a photograph or two of the Whitley that you may have never seen.Leave it with me and I will see what I can find you.
We are still waiting to hear from Albert Whitehouse exactly what he deposited at Hendon.As soon as I have any news ;I will let you know immediately.I am considering running a letter in the Coventry Evening Telegraph;to see if any info is still languishing in dusty corners of ex AWA employees.However; I have no wish to step on the toes of those that are the founder members of the group.What do you think?
I have been trying to obtain a copy of the book from the Putnam series "Armstrong Whitworth Aircraft Since 1913" by Oliver Tapper. It was first issued in 1973 and is one of the ones they have never re- released, for some reason.
Well, thanks to the Internet I am now in possesion of a second hand copy which contains an excellent write up on the Whitley as well as quite a few pictures I have not seen before.
It is suprising how many 'firsts' the Whitley had to it's credit. It is quite an underestimated aircraft in many ways. I intend to write up a few details which I may post in the files section later.
Steve Reynolds.
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Hi fellow Whitley enthusiasts,
A very minor bit of news.
I have been trying to obtain a copy of the book from the Putnam
series "Armstrong Whitworth Aircraft Since 1913" by Oliver Tapper. It
was first issued in 1973 and is one of the ones they have never re-
released, for some reason.
Well, thanks to the Internet I am now in possesion of a second hand
copy which contains an excellent write up on the Whitley as well as
quite a few pictures I have not seen before.
It is suprising how many 'firsts' the Whitley had to it's credit. It
is quite an underestimated aircraft in many ways. I intend to write
up a few details which I may post in the files section later.
Steve Reynolds.
A visit to the Midland Air Museums Whitley wreckage at Coventry:
As you may know, the largest section of Whitley 'in captivity' was
the fuselarge section at the Midland air museum in Coventry. They
also have a small display there dedicated to the Whitley (which is
the name of the place where the Armstrong Whitworth factory was
located) with various artifacts.
I visited the museum today (4/07/02) to see what state the wreckage
was in. They have a section of fuselarge, about 8 feet long, ending
at the rear turret position. They also have one tail plane with a
fin. Both of these are recognisable for what they are and even have a
little of the original paint scheme visible but both are in very poor
condition. The sections are from N1498 which crashed near Inverness.
It doesn't say so, but I suspect the wreck has spent some time under
water judging by the corrosion.
They also have the pilots rudder pedals and throttle console and the
front gun-turret pedals plus two prop blades (off a different
aircraft).
The labels on the wreckage say that this is 'all that remains of the
Whitley'.
Oh no it isn't! This wreckage is now drawfed by the wing sections
from Glen Esk, which seemed to have survived the years much better.
I've opened a new folder in the photos section called "Midland air
museums fuselarge" and uploaded some pictures there.
There has been talk of including this wreckage in the rebuild. It's
not for me to say but I would have thought the condition is so poor
it might be harder to restore these components than to start again!
They are of course valuble as patterns - note the complete fuselarge
frame on the wall.
Steve Reynolds.
Hello guys,
I've started adding the URL's that people have told me about to the
bookmarks section.
If you have any others of interest you may wish to add them, too.
Steve Reynolds.
Hello Steve.
The group are searching in Moray Firth in Scotland. There are
apparently up to 15 whitleys in this location although most are
broken up by local fishermen in the course of there activities.
However on whitley is in an area where there is little fishing
activity and this is the one the group are going after. I became
aware that ther was a whitley in this location from an article in a
dive magazine called divernet which stated that ther definitely was a
whitley in this location.
Regards,
Michael Coughlan.
Hello again Mike!
Good to here from you.
Parts from underwater recoveries are usually very badly corroded after 60
years or so in salt water!
They can still sometimes be useful as they can serve as patterns for
fabricating new parts.
I have seen some airframes recovered from the sea, though, that have
survived quite well. I think part the problem is that the constant movement
of the sea breaks the airframe up and then it dissolves. If it is in a
sheltered bay or still deep water then they sometimes survive much better.
The Blackburn Skua at the RNAS museum in Yeovil is a good example. Badly
smashed up and corroded but still in (mostly) one recognisable piece.
Do you know where this group is searching?
regards,
Steve Reynolds.
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Subject: [Whitley_project] Re: News!!!
> Hello Steve,
> Mike Coughlan Here. I also know of a group looking for a whitley in
> an underwater location and are reasonably confident they will find
> something. I don't know if parts brought up from a seawater location
> can be of any use though and will keep you posted.
> Regards,
> Michael Coughlan.
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Hello Steve,
Mike Coughlan Here. I also know of a group looking for a whitley in
an underwater location and are reasonably confident they will find
something. I don't know if parts brought up from a seawater location
can be of any use though and will keep you posted.
Regards,
Michael Coughlan.
I have received an e-mail from Elliot Smock.
Apparently his web-site will be available soon. I'll post a link to
it from here when it is.
Further recoveries are planned for Scotland over the summer and I'll
try to attend these.
Here is an extract from Elliot's e-mail:
"We have the materials for our first jig now (rear
fuselage) but there are the usual unanticipated
holdups from various beurocrats. C'est la vie!
We have also unbolted the stb'd wing and may start
work on that first - I have had dies made for the
trailing edge rib channel section and we will recieve
40m of this stuff when I get round to paying them.
I'll be diving in the channel looking for a Whitley
this weekend too so there is lots going on."
Any more news and I'll let you know.
Steven Reynolds.
I am an ex A.W.A.apprentice and British Airways engineer, so my
interest in your Whitley project is an obvious one .I have only just
found your web site ;so my e mail is really just to join.I would
however suggest that you make contact with another ex AWA apprentice
who runs the ex apprentices association of which there are about 300
members.
His name is Keith Drage,20.Thirlmere Avenue Nuneaton.I do not
think Keith is on the internet so you may have to contact him in
another way.You can tell him that I have put you in touch with
him.Perhaps when Keith sends out his next ex apprentices update, he
would give the group a mention.I feel sure it will be of considerable
interest, and may well prove fruitfull in both new members and info.I
am still in contact with one man who was on the Whitley production
line at Baginton;in fact he is coming to see me this afternoon;so I
will mention the project to him also.
I have one Company drawing of the Whitley, which if you give me
an address to send it to,I will have copied for you.My address by the
way is Bill Griffin,39.Linley Road,Southam,Nr.Leamington
Spa.Warwickshire. CV 470 JY. My e mail address is
griffon_airframeng@... hope this is of some interest, and
will be in touch again shortly. Bill Griff.
If so, you might like to join this group.
I only started this group as somewhere to display the Glen Esk
recovery photos, but a few people seem to have found the site and
have contacted me by e-mail.
It wouldn't be a bad idea if you are interested in the Whitley to
become a member and I'll see if I can find out some news and
information.
A few people have said that they know of the locations of crash
sites. Most of these will have been well documented but it would be
very useful to pool this information in case there are any that have
been overlooked.
As I have said, Elliot Smock is the main man in the Whitley project,
my only involvement has been to turn up at the Glen Esk recovery. I
hope I might be involved with any others that take place this summer -
we'll see.
I beleive Elliot runs a charity, the Whitley project and is a medical
student so he is a very busy man. I only hear from him occasionally,
so I am not too sure how far things have progressed myself. I'll drop
him an e-mail and see if there is any news..
Steve Reynolds.
The attachment is a list of ISBN's of my "crash site" books. Only Smith and Earl cover Ireland and neither contain Whitley bomber sites, unfortunately. Lots of Wellingtons, Hampdens etc.... Still, they are a good read.
Let me know how you get on researching the records you have found. Maybe you can write a book covering these crashes yourself when you've finished!
thank you for replying to my mail. I have conducted a preliminary search and it would appear that there are no less than 5 crash listings for Whitley in Eire during the war years. One may still lie in Galway bay and another off Fastnet rock off our southern coast. The other three crash sites are Askill in Leitrim, Foynes in Limerick and Quigley point in Donegal. I am going to try and book a slot in the Irish military archives and see if I can research these incidences further as I have only conducted a preliminary search etc. this stage. I will keep you updated as My time and financial constraints allow.
Regards,
Michael Coughlan.
P.s it would be of great help if you could send me the titles, and isbn's of the books by Smith and Earl.
-----Original Message----- From: steven_e007 [mailto:Steven@...] Sent: 26 February 2002 08:59 To: Whitley_project@... Subject: [Whitley_project] Re: New Member
Hello again Michael, Thanks for the photos, I had not seen them before. I've put the rest of the Glen Esk recovery photos in the photos section.
Sorry, I can't find any crash sites of Whitleys in Ireland. I've looked at David J.Smiths book and the two David Earl Crash site books...plenty of Irish Crash sites but no Whitleys.
Perhaps Elliot will be able to help.
Steve.
--- In Whitley_project@y..., "Michael Coughlan" <mikecoughlan@e...> wrote: > Hello Steve, > I have been surfing the net and came across some more photos. You probably > are familiar with them already but I said that I would send them anyway. > Regards, > Michael Coughlan. > -----Original Message----- > From: steven_e007 [mailto:Steven@b...] > Sent: 21 February 2002 00:04 > To: Whitley_project@y... > Subject: [Whitley_project] Re: New Member > > > --- In Whitley_project@y..., "mikecoughlan2002" <mikecoughlan@e...> > wrote: > > Hello, > > My name is Michael Coughlan and I live in Dublin. I am interested > in > > this project and would like to get involved. Maybe some one could > let > > me know if there are any known crash sites for whitleys in Eire or > > Northern Ireland that I may be able to research into? I have a > number > > of photographs taken from the web of substantial remains of > whitleys > > in crash sites in Scotland that I could forward on. I look forward > to > > hearing from you. > > Regards, > > Michael Coughlan. > > Hello Micheal, > > Here's a quick explanation of what this is all about: > > The Whitley project is run by Elliot Smock. I read an article > in "FlyPast" magazine about the project and so searched the web and > found his e-mail address. He invited me along to the wing recovery > that is documented in the photo section. > > That has been my only involvement in the Whitley Project so far! > Although I hope to get involved more this year when rocoveries resume > in the better weather. > > I made up this club as somewhere to post the photos in case anyone > wanted to see them...but I haven't finished uploading them yet, so I > haven't told anyone about the club. This is why you are the only > member! > > I'm pleased you found the club, this has spurred me on to upload the > rest of the photos and contact some of the project members. Hopefully > you may be joined by a few others members soon. > > I haven't contacted Elliot Smock for a few months. I will e-mail him > today and pass on your e-mail. > > I will also see if I can find references to Whitley crashes in > Northern Ireland or the Republic and let you know. I would very much > like to see your photos, you can either e-mail me direct, or perhaps > you could open a folder and post them here? > > Best regards, > > Steve Reynolds. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Whitley_project-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Aviation books that document aircraft crash sites.
Title Author ISBN Comments
Fallen Eagles Eddie Doylerush 0-904597-66-0 N.E. and Mid wales only
No Landing Place " 0-904597-57-1 Snowdonia Only
No landing Place V2 " 1-85780-090-7 Snowdonia - no map references
Dark Peak Aircraft wrecks 1 Ron Collier 0-85052-457-1 Peak District only
Dark Peak Aircraft Wrecks 2 " 0-85052-336-2 "
Air Crashes in the Lake
District Micheal Hurst 1-85310-874-X Lake District only
Final Descent Terence R Hill 0-85052-659-0 Wales only
Down in Wales " 0-86301-283-X "
Hell on High Ground David W Earl 1-85310-569-4 UK & Ireland
Hell on High Ground Vol 2 " 1-84037-082-3 "
Final Flights Ian McLachlan 1-85260-122-1 UK but no map references
High Grounds Wrecks & Relics David J Smith 1-85780-070-2 UK & Ireland
thank you for replying to my mail. I have conducted a preliminary search and it would appear that there are no less than 5 crash listings for Whitley in Eire during the war years. One may still lie in Galway bay and another off Fastnet rock off our southern coast. The other three crash sites are Askill in Leitrim, Foynes in Limerick and Quigley point in Donegal. I am going to try and book a slot in the Irish military archives and see if I can research these incidences further as I have only conducted a preliminary search etc. this stage. I will keep you updated as My time and financial constraints allow.
Regards,
Michael Coughlan.
P.s it would be of great help if you could send me the titles, and isbn's of the books by Smith and Earl.
-----Original Message----- From: steven_e007 [mailto:Steven@...] Sent: 26 February 2002 08:59 To: Whitley_project@... Subject: [Whitley_project] Re: New Member
Hello again Michael, Thanks for the photos, I had not seen them before. I've put the rest of the Glen Esk recovery photos in the photos section.
Sorry, I can't find any crash sites of Whitleys in Ireland. I've looked at David J.Smiths book and the two David Earl Crash site books...plenty of Irish Crash sites but no Whitleys.
Perhaps Elliot will be able to help.
Steve.
--- In Whitley_project@y..., "Michael Coughlan" <mikecoughlan@e...> wrote: > Hello Steve, > I have been surfing the net and came across some more photos. You probably > are familiar with them already but I said that I would send them anyway. > Regards, > Michael Coughlan. > -----Original Message----- > From: steven_e007 [mailto:Steven@b...] > Sent: 21 February 2002 00:04 > To: Whitley_project@y... > Subject: [Whitley_project] Re: New Member > > > --- In Whitley_project@y..., "mikecoughlan2002" <mikecoughlan@e...> > wrote: > > Hello, > > My name is Michael Coughlan and I live in Dublin. I am interested > in > > this project and would like to get involved. Maybe some one could > let > > me know if there are any known crash sites for whitleys in Eire or > > Northern Ireland that I may be able to research into? I have a > number > > of photographs taken from the web of substantial remains of > whitleys > > in crash sites in Scotland that I could forward on. I look forward > to > > hearing from you. > > Regards, > > Michael Coughlan. > > Hello Micheal, > > Here's a quick explanation of what this is all about: > > The Whitley project is run by Elliot Smock. I read an article > in "FlyPast" magazine about the project and so searched the web and > found his e-mail address. He invited me along to the wing recovery > that is documented in the photo section. > > That has been my only involvement in the Whitley Project so far! > Although I hope to get involved more this year when rocoveries resume > in the better weather. > > I made up this club as somewhere to post the photos in case anyone > wanted to see them...but I haven't finished uploading them yet, so I > haven't told anyone about the club. This is why you are the only > member! > > I'm pleased you found the club, this has spurred me on to upload the > rest of the photos and contact some of the project members. Hopefully > you may be joined by a few others members soon. > > I haven't contacted Elliot Smock for a few months. I will e-mail him > today and pass on your e-mail. > > I will also see if I can find references to Whitley crashes in > Northern Ireland or the Republic and let you know. I would very much > like to see your photos, you can either e-mail me direct, or perhaps > you could open a folder and post them here? > > Best regards, > > Steve Reynolds. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Whitley_project-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Hello again Michael,
Thanks for the photos, I had not seen them before.
I've put the rest of the Glen Esk recovery photos in the photos
section.
Sorry, I can't find any crash sites of Whitleys in Ireland. I've
looked at David J.Smiths book and the two David Earl Crash site
books...plenty of Irish Crash sites but no Whitleys.
Perhaps Elliot will be able to help.
Steve.
--- In Whitley_project@y..., "Michael Coughlan" <mikecoughlan@e...>
wrote:
> Hello Steve,
> I have been surfing the net and came across some more photos. You
probably
> are familiar with them already but I said that I would send them
anyway.
> Regards,
> Michael Coughlan.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steven_e007 [mailto:Steven@b...]
> Sent: 21 February 2002 00:04
> To: Whitley_project@y...
> Subject: [Whitley_project] Re: New Member
>
>
> --- In Whitley_project@y..., "mikecoughlan2002"
<mikecoughlan@e...>
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > My name is Michael Coughlan and I live in Dublin. I am
interested
> in
> > this project and would like to get involved. Maybe some one
could
> let
> > me know if there are any known crash sites for whitleys in Eire
or
> > Northern Ireland that I may be able to research into? I have a
> number
> > of photographs taken from the web of substantial remains of
> whitleys
> > in crash sites in Scotland that I could forward on. I look
forward
> to
> > hearing from you.
> > Regards,
> > Michael Coughlan.
>
> Hello Micheal,
>
> Here's a quick explanation of what this is all about:
>
> The Whitley project is run by Elliot Smock. I read an article
> in "FlyPast" magazine about the project and so searched the web
and
> found his e-mail address. He invited me along to the wing recovery
> that is documented in the photo section.
>
> That has been my only involvement in the Whitley Project so far!
> Although I hope to get involved more this year when rocoveries
resume
> in the better weather.
>
> I made up this club as somewhere to post the photos in case anyone
> wanted to see them...but I haven't finished uploading them yet,
so I
> haven't told anyone about the club. This is why you are the only
> member!
>
> I'm pleased you found the club, this has spurred me on to upload
the
> rest of the photos and contact some of the project members.
Hopefully
> you may be joined by a few others members soon.
>
> I haven't contacted Elliot Smock for a few months. I will e-mail
him
> today and pass on your e-mail.
>
> I will also see if I can find references to Whitley crashes in
> Northern Ireland or the Republic and let you know. I would very
much
> like to see your photos, you can either e-mail me direct, or
perhaps
> you could open a folder and post them here?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Reynolds.
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Whitley_project-unsubscribe@y...
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
I have been surfing the net and came across some more photos. You probably are familiar with them already but I said that I would send them anyway.
Regards,
Michael Coughlan.
-----Original Message----- From: steven_e007 [mailto:Steven@...] Sent: 21 February 2002 00:04 To: Whitley_project@... Subject: [Whitley_project] Re: New Member
--- In Whitley_project@y..., "mikecoughlan2002" <mikecoughlan@e...> wrote: > Hello, > My name is Michael Coughlan and I live in Dublin. I am interested in > this project and would like to get involved. Maybe some one could let > me know if there are any known crash sites for whitleys in Eire or > Northern Ireland that I may be able to research into? I have a number > of photographs taken from the web of substantial remains of whitleys > in crash sites in Scotland that I could forward on. I look forward to > hearing from you. > Regards, > Michael Coughlan.
Hello Micheal,
Here's a quick explanation of what this is all about:
The Whitley project is run by Elliot Smock. I read an article in "FlyPast" magazine about the project and so searched the web and found his e-mail address. He invited me along to the wing recovery that is documented in the photo section.
That has been my only involvement in the Whitley Project so far! Although I hope to get involved more this year when rocoveries resume in the better weather.
I made up this club as somewhere to post the photos in case anyone wanted to see them...but I haven't finished uploading them yet, so I haven't told anyone about the club. This is why you are the only member!
I'm pleased you found the club, this has spurred me on to upload the rest of the photos and contact some of the project members. Hopefully you may be joined by a few others members soon.
I haven't contacted Elliot Smock for a few months. I will e-mail him today and pass on your e-mail.
I will also see if I can find references to Whitley crashes in Northern Ireland or the Republic and let you know. I would very much like to see your photos, you can either e-mail me direct, or perhaps you could open a folder and post them here?
Best regards,
Steve Reynolds.
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I am delighted that you have replied to My E-mail so quickly. The photos I have are of the Glen Esk wing section. I see from Aeroplane Magazine that this wing section has already been recovered by Elliot and also your e-mail confirms this. I will keep in touch as I turn up more information.
Regards,
Michael Coughlan.
-----Original Message----- From: steven_e007 [mailto:Steven@...] Sent: 21 February 2002 00:04 To: Whitley_project@... Subject: [Whitley_project] Re: New Member
--- In Whitley_project@y..., "mikecoughlan2002" <mikecoughlan@e...> wrote: > Hello, > My name is Michael Coughlan and I live in Dublin. I am interested in > this project and would like to get involved. Maybe some one could let > me know if there are any known crash sites for whitleys in Eire or > Northern Ireland that I may be able to research into? I have a number > of photographs taken from the web of substantial remains of whitleys > in crash sites in Scotland that I could forward on. I look forward to > hearing from you. > Regards, > Michael Coughlan.
Hello Micheal,
Here's a quick explanation of what this is all about:
The Whitley project is run by Elliot Smock. I read an article in "FlyPast" magazine about the project and so searched the web and found his e-mail address. He invited me along to the wing recovery that is documented in the photo section.
That has been my only involvement in the Whitley Project so far! Although I hope to get involved more this year when rocoveries resume in the better weather.
I made up this club as somewhere to post the photos in case anyone wanted to see them...but I haven't finished uploading them yet, so I haven't told anyone about the club. This is why you are the only member!
I'm pleased you found the club, this has spurred me on to upload the rest of the photos and contact some of the project members. Hopefully you may be joined by a few others members soon.
I haven't contacted Elliot Smock for a few months. I will e-mail him today and pass on your e-mail.
I will also see if I can find references to Whitley crashes in Northern Ireland or the Republic and let you know. I would very much like to see your photos, you can either e-mail me direct, or perhaps you could open a folder and post them here?
Best regards,
Steve Reynolds.
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Whitley_project-unsubscribe@...
--- In Whitley_project@y..., "mikecoughlan2002" <mikecoughlan@e...>
wrote:
> Hello,
> My name is Michael Coughlan and I live in Dublin. I am interested
in
> this project and would like to get involved. Maybe some one could
let
> me know if there are any known crash sites for whitleys in Eire or
> Northern Ireland that I may be able to research into? I have a
number
> of photographs taken from the web of substantial remains of
whitleys
> in crash sites in Scotland that I could forward on. I look forward
to
> hearing from you.
> Regards,
> Michael Coughlan.
Hello Micheal,
Here's a quick explanation of what this is all about:
The Whitley project is run by Elliot Smock. I read an article
in "FlyPast" magazine about the project and so searched the web and
found his e-mail address. He invited me along to the wing recovery
that is documented in the photo section.
That has been my only involvement in the Whitley Project so far!
Although I hope to get involved more this year when rocoveries resume
in the better weather.
I made up this club as somewhere to post the photos in case anyone
wanted to see them...but I haven't finished uploading them yet, so I
haven't told anyone about the club. This is why you are the only
member!
I'm pleased you found the club, this has spurred me on to upload the
rest of the photos and contact some of the project members. Hopefully
you may be joined by a few others members soon.
I haven't contacted Elliot Smock for a few months. I will e-mail him
today and pass on your e-mail.
I will also see if I can find references to Whitley crashes in
Northern Ireland or the Republic and let you know. I would very much
like to see your photos, you can either e-mail me direct, or perhaps
you could open a folder and post them here?
Best regards,
Steve Reynolds.
Hello,
My name is Michael Coughlan and I live in Dublin. I am interested in
this project and would like to get involved. Maybe some one could let
me know if there are any known crash sites for whitleys in Eire or
Northern Ireland that I may be able to research into? I have a number
of photographs taken from the web of substantial remains of whitleys
in crash sites in Scotland that I could forward on. I look forward to
hearing from you.
Regards,
Michael Coughlan.
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