Hello Bob and welcome,
I have been away for a while and am currently not with regular acess to
a computer.  After a period of spiritual turmoil )anyone forginve me if
spelt wrong.) It is sometim es possible to have an apparition, Which is
sometimes whn people realise or become spiritual.  In times of great
distress and hardship (more physical than emotional) The luminous energy
field that surrounds us expands so that we can encompass more energy.
This also happens when we are very elated and happy. If this suddenly
happens when we are low it is normal to have an "experience". This
experience can genuinely be life changing. As for the things that we see
the symbol you describe is a cadeus, it is the symbol for healing and
balance. How do you fell after your experiences? Do you fell more in
control of your energy and have you seen irsensed other things? Thanks
I will help in any way that i can.
Munay
Rosita

Nuqay Wayquikuna,
Firstly I hope everyome is well and apologise for my long absense.
Although it appears Eric (gracias wayqui) has been keeping conversation
going.I would like to welcome out new members and have been considering
doing a live chat online using messenger or whichever program you prefer
to use. I have ICQ, Windows Live and MSN. This message is primarily to
let evryone know that we are planning another despacho. Please use the
same directions as before as is to be held at the same site.
The main focus of this will be the despacho and for those of you who are
not aware this may take 3 - 4 hours. There will be music afterwards
(possibly) I have not confirmed the date yet but if anyone from the
group would like to come, please email and say what date is best and I
will see what i can do. Also all i ask is that those that do come bring
something to place within the despacho. Will write a list if needed.
Thanks
Sonqoyman
Rosita

--- In Wisdom_of_the_Andes@..., "wisdomoftheandes"
<wisdomoftheandes@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Bob and welcome,
> I have been away for a while and am currently not with regular
acess to
> a computer.  After a period of spiritual turmoil )anyone forginve
me if
> spelt wrong.) It is sometim es possible to have an apparition,
Which is
> sometimes whn people realise or become spiritual.  In times of
great
> distress and hardship (more physical than emotional) The luminous
energy
> field that surrounds us expands so that we can encompass more
energy.
> This also happens when we are very elated and happy. If this
suddenly
> happens when we are low it is normal to have an "experience". This
> experience can genuinely be life changing. As for the things that
we see
> the symbol you describe is a cadeus, it is the symbol for healing
and
> balance. How do you fell after your experiences? Do you fell more
in
> control of your energy and have you seen irsensed other things?
Thanks
> I will help in any way that i can.
> Munay
> Rosita
>
hi rosita. thanks a lot for your reply i cant remember what ive
already said so here goes. when i was 13 i recieved the holy spirit
so ive been immersed in god energy ever since.i have medtated deeply
followed buddhism become one with my pagan nature.saught truth in all
aspects of life.the cadeus as u call it was incredible in that i
should not have returned from the place i went, without the holy
spirit i know i would not.i seem to have found ,like all my travels a
link tween jesus an shamanism as i have with all i have endeavoured
to see. paganism, buddhism, hinduism,jesus was a gnostic shaman would
you not agree.to tell you truth i would not know were to start with
my life experiences ,only to say i was blessed with a knowledge of
the sheer beauty of life and my naiviety , well thats just the way it
is.   any information concerning shamanism or anything else i would
be most grateful for, thanks again rosita

Hello Bob,
I am Eric. I live in the USA but I was born in Peru. I have not experienced
as much as you have, and maybe I know way less about meditation and paganism
than you. And I admire your enthusiasm.
What I see, and maybe I am wrong, but it seems to me that you like the
Shamanic work, and undrestand some or lots of it. That I don't know. But
what I know is that in many cultures that still follow the traditional
"Medicine Man", the Shaman or Medidcine Man are chosen by the spirits.
Always against the choice of the person to be a shaman or they know because
an elder shaman told them when they were a child. But when the calling
arrives it is always shoking to say the least. Today we have lots of
"Plastic Shamans". I am not saying that that is what you are or want to be,
no. All I am saying is that that is what I am witnessing all over. When the
spirits show up and choose you, you either will be struck by a lightning
more that once, or you have lucid dreaming of lightning and thunder, or
spirits will tell you in a very graphic way. When they want your attention,
you will get it. And there is not going to be any doudt. Also there has to
be other Medicine Man 2 or 3 that have to honor and agree with your calling
and say: "Yes, he is for real"
My friend, the real Shamans have to make a vote of poverty. They can't
charge money, they sirvive from other people's generosity. Or have another
job to survive. But the work of the spirit is meant to be free of charge. It
is a very ard life.
If lightning have been involved, then there is the Heyoka part of it, and
that is very difficult and powerfull as well.
I did too experienced the Holy Spirit at one time, we all are ought to
experience Her/Him.
My friend my best advise for you is to see what Rosita will tell you do
physically do. In the mean time if I were you, I would just stop trying to
find what it is. They know our intent and when our will is too strong and
not sumissive open and giving like feminine energy, then they will go shy on
you. And retreat. Look inside of yourself and see what is the force driving
your will, is it unconditional love for your enemy or for yourself.
I have seing a Medicine Man taking appart his new furniture, because the
person that offered tabacco for Healing did not have money to buy wood for
the fire before the Sweat Lodge. It is all about love my friend.
A hug,
Eric

P.S.
Rosita, I send you a bear hug with love and affection. Let me know when the
Despacho will take place. I like to pray during the same time too. Hello to
everyone, I miss hearing from you all.

>From: "rpnickeas" <rpnickeas@...>
>Reply-To: Wisdom_of_the_Andes@...
>To: Wisdom_of_the_Andes@...
>Subject: [Wisdom_of_the_Andes] Re: re;any ideas
>Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:29:52 -0000
>
>--- In Wisdom_of_the_Andes@..., "wisdomoftheandes"
><wisdomoftheandes@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Bob and welcome,
> > I have been away for a while and am currently not with regular
>acess to
> > a computer.  After a period of spiritual turmoil )anyone forginve
>me if
> > spelt wrong.) It is sometim es possible to have an apparition,
>Which is
> > sometimes whn people realise or become spiritual.  In times of
>great
> > distress and hardship (more physical than emotional) The luminous
>energy
> > field that surrounds us expands so that we can encompass more
>energy.
> > This also happens when we are very elated and happy. If this
>suddenly
> > happens when we are low it is normal to have an "experience". This
> > experience can genuinely be life changing. As for the things that
>we see
> > the symbol you describe is a cadeus, it is the symbol for healing
>and
> > balance. How do you fell after your experiences? Do you fell more
>in
> > control of your energy and have you seen irsensed other things?
>Thanks
> > I will help in any way that i can.
> > Munay
> > Rosita
> >
>hi rosita. thanks a lot for your reply i cant remember what ive
>already said so here goes. when i was 13 i recieved the holy spirit
>so ive been immersed in god energy ever since.i have medtated deeply
>followed buddhism become one with my pagan nature.saught truth in all
>aspects of life.the cadeus as u call it was incredible in that i
>should not have returned from the place i went, without the holy
>spirit i know i would not.i seem to have found ,like all my travels a
>link tween jesus an shamanism as i have with all i have endeavoured
>to see. paganism, buddhism, hinduism,jesus was a gnostic shaman would
>you not agree.to tell you truth i would not know were to start with
>my life experiences ,only to say i was blessed with a knowledge of
>the sheer beauty of life and my naiviety , well thats just the way it
>is.   any information concerning shamanism or anything else i would
>be most grateful for, thanks again rosita
>

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well thanks peeps,its great to talk to ya.ya make a lot of sense, and
im always wary of heeding an unseen persons view. to listen to a fool
is never good, and u do tend in this day to get advice from just
about everyone . fool or not. i like what you say and will look
forward to hearing from you both. whether i am on a path of shamanism
im not sure , i dont think so but i am open,one thing i am always is
open. i think my path is a strange one i have not yet been able to
pinpoint. but that isnt a bad thing. what is in my centre knows the
is or isnt the yes or no and it is the light that i carry.  i hope i
didnt come across as a seeker of futile knowledge i could not
percieve. what i wanted to do was make sure if i was going to listen
to u. i would listen to your unspoken words and decide if i heed
them. i look forward to speaking to both you eric and you rosita and
wish only love to you both. any more ideas or interesting stuff i
look forward to hearing. ive always had an affinity with eastern
writings and north american teachings. some of the greatest teachings
of all time. i was lucky to get my hands on a book called the tree by
grey owl and it is a truly remarkable piece,as profound and complete
as the hindis interpretation of brahman or buddhas path to
enlightenment.dont worry i dont seek knowledge from books ive seen
many a person make that mistake.teachings either are the truth or
they are not.... in the immortal words of mork...nanu nanu

sorry i was waffling so much i forgot to ask . what is a despacho there
rosita. sounds interesting

Hello Bob,
Check out the book by Joseph Marshall III "The Lakota Way"
It's pretty good. I think you will like it.


>From: "rpnickeas" <rpnickeas@...>
>Reply-To: Wisdom_of_the_Andes@...
>To: Wisdom_of_the_Andes@...
>Subject: [Wisdom_of_the_Andes] eric , rosita
>Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:04:39 -0000
>
>well thanks peeps,its great to talk to ya.ya make a lot of sense, and
>im always wary of heeding an unseen persons view. to listen to a fool
>is never good, and u do tend in this day to get advice from just
>about everyone . fool or not. i like what you say and will look
>forward to hearing from you both. whether i am on a path of shamanism
>im not sure , i dont think so but i am open,one thing i am always is
>open. i think my path is a strange one i have not yet been able to
>pinpoint. but that isnt a bad thing. what is in my centre knows the
>is or isnt the yes or no and it is the light that i carry.  i hope i
>didnt come across as a seeker of futile knowledge i could not
>percieve. what i wanted to do was make sure if i was going to listen
>to u. i would listen to your unspoken words and decide if i heed
>them. i look forward to speaking to both you eric and you rosita and
>wish only love to you both. any more ideas or interesting stuff i
>look forward to hearing. ive always had an affinity with eastern
>writings and north american teachings. some of the greatest teachings
>of all time. i was lucky to get my hands on a book called the tree by
>grey owl and it is a truly remarkable piece,as profound and complete
>as the hindis interpretation of brahman or buddhas path to
>enlightenment.dont worry i dont seek knowledge from books ive seen
>many a person make that mistake.teachings either are the truth or
>they are not.... in the immortal words of mork...nanu nanu
>

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From: wisdomoftheandes@...
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:56:11 +0000
Subject: [Wisdom_of_the_Andes] Re: Help translating English into Quechua...

Hi Eric,
I can translate no problem. It would be easy to send funds via
Paypal. The address is Westminster_blind_society(@)yahoo.co.uk
replace the (@) with just @. This is done to stop the email spider
from getting my email address too easy. I will translate the prayer
into quechua tomorrow evening. Paypal is a safer method of sending
funds and it doesnt incur the massive bank charges that money orders
incur. However if you still wish to send via money order send me a
private email and i will send you the address. I am now back online
after bei9ng away for just over a week. Thanks
Maria Rosita Apaza Marchaqa

--- In Wisdom_of_the_Andes@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Eric Rodriguez"
<wayqemunay@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Maria Rosita,
> How are things going? I like to send a money order to you to help
you with
> your proyect, please tell where could I send it.
> Maria Rosita, I have been learning about the Lakota Sweat Lodge,
and there
> is some prayers that I have to make, but I felt since the prophecy
of the
> Eagle and the Condor is happening right now, I should learn these
prayers in
> Quecha. Could you help me please, and help me translate them in
Quecha?
> Thank You Maria Rosita, following are the prayers:
>
> My relatives (The whole world), we pray for compassion
>
> Towards the West, we honor the water, thunders and bear nation,
these ways
> are difficult, please have pity
>
> Towards the North, we honor the winds and the elk nation, look this
way and
> have compassion
>
> Towards the East, we honor the fire and the black tail deer
nations, look
> this way and have compassion
>
> Towards the South, we honor the wingeds including the spotted
eagle, the red
> tail hawk and the owl nations - With help from the eagle, we honor
the pipe
> and all creation
>
> God, we honor you, in the center of all things they are all sacred
>
> Pachamama, we thank you
>
> All the universe we say thank you
>
> Thank you for this good day
>
> It is a good day
>
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Hello everyone here is an event I am presenting

6 day Andean Tradition and Healing Arts Seminar

April 15-20 in the beautiful mountains of  West Virginia with
Elizabeth B. Jenkins, MA, MFCC, founder/director of the Wiraqocha
Foundation for the Indigenous Wisdom, author of Initiation : A
Woman''s Spiritual Adventure in the Heart of the Andes, (Putnam,
1997),an international best seller and Journey to Q''eros (2004), and
a contributor to Shaman''s Drum magazine. Together we will be
exploring the techniques of the Living Medicine Traditions of the
Andes. For curriculum, price, & other info. contact Zane Curfman
tolsie2000@...
Thanks
Your brother in light
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Jim,
I am sorry you are struggling with depression.
You might consider burying your mesa stones, washing them with water, or setting
them
in water in the moonlight, as appropriate to each stone, to let them come back
into
balance in whatever way they need.
For yourself, in addition to medical assistance, the more you can spend time in
nature,
reconnecting with the living energy of all things, and drawing the elements into
your body
to empower yourself, the more you will reconnect  yourself.

Blessings,
Meg
www.earthcaretakers.net

--- In Wisdom_of_the_Andes@..., James Stovall <null2099@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have been battling a bad bout of depression for over a year now. My mentor
has had
little insight and truth be told I have been avoiding her since she said a few
things that
didn't help but actually hurt.
>
> Due to a friend I am finally coming to terms with the depression. I am looking
for the
appropriate medical help. I just hope I have not alienated too many friends and
family.
>
> But now I also have to deal with my mesa. My practices have fell away badly in
the past
year, and even now I'm not sure how consistent I could be with them.
>
> The other day I carried my mesa for the first time in a while, and realized
that the
depression is deep enough where they are affected as well. I was in a good
enough mood
when I picked it up, but within a half hour my mood had turned dark, and I could
feel the
depression radiating from the little ones.
>
> Knowing that they are to digest heavy energy, this has me worried, as I seem
to have
over-taxed them.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Jim/TwoSnakes
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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Hello My name is Zane Curfman And here is a retreat I am hosting in
the Andean Kurak Akulleq priesthood based in the Pana, Chaupi and
Lloque traditions

6 day Andean Tradition and Healing Arts retreat with Elizabeth Jenkins!

When:  April 15-20
Where:  Abrams Creek Retreat Center, in the beautiful mountains of
West Virginia!
With Whom?  Elizabeth B. Jenkins, MA, MFCC, a licensed
psychotherapist, founder/director of the Wiraqocha Foundation, author
of  international best-seller,  Initiation : A Woman's Spiritual
Adventure in the Heart of the Andes, and Journey to Q'eros (2004).
She is also a contributor to Shaman's Drum magazine.  The cost is
$1000 part of which is a donation to the Wiraqocha Foundation a
non-profit organization, and proceeds from workshops, trips, sales
etc… are used to directly assist the Q'ero indians, the direct
descendants of the Inkas, with such things as water supplies and
schools, in the spirit of Ayni - sacred reciprocity.

I am pleased to announce an overwhelming response to this event that
has made it possible to offer a free bunk at the camp, however I will
need to limit the number of students from 15 to a maximum of
approximately 20.  So, space is limited; contact me to reserve your spot.

You will learn:

Inka Mystical Tradition
Cosmovision & Prophecy=explanation
Structure of the Inka Tradition=7 levels, 7 energy principles, & 7 eyes
The Law of Ayni=sacred reciprocity
Yanantin/Masintin=harmonious relationship between different things
The Right and Left Hand Paths!
Karpay=Initiation or Transmission
Qawaq=Clairvoyance Andean Style!
Practices and Application
Saminchakuy=receiving refined energy and releasing heavy energy
Hoocha Mijuy=eating and digesting heavy energy
Karpay Ayni=exchange of personal power
Yanachakuy=Ring of Power
Nawi Kachay=Opening the Seven Eyes
Runa Mast'ay=forming and using the collective bubble
Saywachakuy=creating a column of living energy

Mesas and Despachos
In this course, the participant, will continue on with learning the
Andean Path. You will learn precisely HOW to make a despacho. This is
accomplished through identifying your local Apu Ayllu—the male and
female nature spirits that surround you where you live. This knowledge
allows you to invoke and make offerings to the Apus and Nusta's where
you live or any other location in which you may be working and may
want extra energy, help, and power to achieve your goals. To further
work in the Andean Path you must have your own MESA, which is like a
portable altar, or power pack that represents YOUR personal
connections to nature spirits and sacred places and people of power
with whom you are connected.
In this Course you will learn:
1) How to Make a Despacho to feed your local nature spirits.
2) How to gather and organize the "khuyas" or power objects for your mesa.
3) The Six uses of the Mesa listed below for ceremonies and healing,
including a very powerful practice of "soul retrieval" Inka style.
4) More specialized techniques for harmonizing and integrating the
male and female aspects within you to fully arrive at the FOURTH level.
5) Advanced and more powerful HOOCHA EATING techniques.
6) How to contact the Phausi Runa, or spirits of running water, for
help with Art, writing, and Creativity.
7) We complete this training with another Karpay ceremony in which you
will learn how to give "karpay" with your own MESA!

Learning to see with all your eyes!
This training primarily addresses the real work of attaining the
fourth-level
Working with the Eradication of fear and fear-based behavior!
Trusting your true nature, your natural self.
The real entrance into the fourth level has to do with the ending of
projecting your power onto others and the integration of the Royal
Couple—the inner male and female.
At this level a new psychological vistas are open to you that you
could not have from the third level. You can see your own shadow
clearly and you do not polarize situations—you harmonize them!
Polarity is the mark of the 3rd level. Harmony is the mark of the 4th
level. Harmonizing more deeply with nature through talking, walking,
speaking with trees, food, fruit, etc…

Specifically what you will learn:

1. Advanced work with lifetime or Encrusted Hoochas
2. Advanced work with Battle between the sexes=Male and Female exercises.
3. Advanced Ring of Power techniques. We use our polarity to help and
serve the others
4. HEALING with the "Ñawi" or Eyes of the bubble.
5. Working directly with The Seven Energies of the unconscious
a) Fear
b) Anger/self hatred
c) Jealousy or envy
d) Desire/Greed
e) Pride
f) Shame
g) Deception
6) DEEP exercise for advanced work with the five "Ñawi" or Eyes of the
bubble. Learning to see with the whole bubble!
7) Advanced work with the Seqe's - Using Seqe's or being used by them!
8) Eating and incorporating more nature energies! We will work with
Eating and Incorporating Many more nature energies--storms, rainbows,
lightning, hurricanes, clouds, rain etc.
9) Hawaiian style of Karpay Ayni using the "Ha" and the Honi honi.
And much more!
Contact me at tolsie2000@...

Hello James,
My thoughts are with you!
During this time of difficulty I would suggest taking the khuyas from
you mesa to a free flowing river, Immerse them in the water to purify
and remove any hucha that has accumulated in them. With regard to
your health I would suggest that you eat a small piece of ginger
root/Ginseng/St Johns Wort in the morning after you awaken. This is
know to improve circulaion and to improve how you are feeling. I am
offline most of the time at the moment but I will continue with the
quechua teaching now that I am available again. This goes for all
members of the group (Eric!!) This will be in word document format
with mock pronounciation. I am available to help anyone who needs. I
will be performing Hucha Mikhuy at approximatley Midday (GMT)Sunday
13th JAN for those who require this. Also I will be doing chumpi work
for thiose that require. PLease contact me if you want me to do
anything specific. Thanks
In Love and Light
Maria Rosita Apaza Marchaqa


--- In Wisdom_of_the_Andes@..., James Stovall
<null2099@...> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have been battling a bad bout of depression for over a year now.
My mentor has had little insight and truth be told I have been
avoiding her since she said a few things that didn't help but
actually hurt.
>
> Due to a friend I am finally coming to terms with the depression. I
am looking for the appropriate medical help. I just hope I have not
alienated too many friends and family.
>
> But now I also have to deal with my mesa. My practices have fell
away badly in the past year, and even now I'm not sure how consistent
I could be with them.
>
> The other day I carried my mesa for the first time in a while, and
realized that the depression is deep enough where they are affected
as well. I was in a good enough mood when I picked it up, but within
a half hour my mood had turned dark, and I could feel the depression
radiating from the little ones.
>
> Knowing that they are to digest heavy energy, this has me worried,
as I seem to have over-taxed them.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Jim/TwoSnakes
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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Hello,

 

I wonder if you could enlighten me on the difference (if there is any) between the Bands of Power and the Chumpi Belts?  Are the elements the same - first band is earth in the Bands of Power (in Munay-ki) - with the chumpi belts is the first belt earth as well or is it water?  Thank-you for any information you can give me regarding this.

 

Sue

Keremeos, B.C., Canada

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Hello Sue The bands of power and the Chumpi Belts are the same thing. each Chumpi has an eye called a Nawi. The first band is black or dark green and  is connected to water. the second band the qosqa is red and connected with earth.
I was trained by Juan Nunez Del Prado this is the same person that passed to Alberto the bands of power.
hope this helps
Zane

sue peters <zzpeters@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello,

 

I wonder if you could enlighten me on the difference (if there is any) between the Bands of Power and the Chumpi Belts?  Are the elements the same - first band is earth in the Bands of Power (in Munay-ki) - with the chumpi belts is the first belt earth as well or is it water?  Thank-you for any information you can give me regarding this.

 

Sue

Keremeos, B.C., Canada

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Thank-you, Jane.  it is intesting, though, because the training I received was from one who trained from Alberto - but the first band is earth?  That is way I was wondering.  i do hope to take the training with the Chumpi belts further to help aliviated this confusion. Sue

zane curfman <tolsie2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello Sue The bands of power and the Chumpi Belts are the same thing. each Chumpi has an eye called a Nawi. The first band is black or dark green and  is connected to water. the second band the qosqa is red and connected with earth.
I was trained by Juan Nunez Del Prado this is the same person that passed to Alberto the bands of power.
hope this helps
Zane

sue peters <zzpeters@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello,

 

I wonder if you could enlighten me on the difference (if there is any) between the Bands of Power and the Chumpi Belts?  Are the elements the same - first band is earth in the Bands of Power (in Munay-ki) - with the chumpi belts is the first belt earth as well or is it water?  Thank-you for any information you can give me regarding this.

 

Sue

Keremeos, B.C., Canada

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My apologies, Zane, for calling you Jane.  Good grief! ...and again, thank-you for sharing the information on the chumpi belts. Sue

sue peters <zzpeters@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thank-you, Jane.  it is intesting, though, because the training I received was from one who trained from Alberto - but the first band is earth?  That is way I was wondering.  i do hope to take the training with the Chumpi belts further to help aliviated this confusion. Sue

zane curfman <tolsie2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello Sue The bands of power and the Chumpi Belts are the same thing. each Chumpi has an eye called a Nawi. The first band is black or dark green and  is connected to water. the second band the qosqa is red and connected with earth.
I was trained by Juan Nunez Del Prado this is the same person that passed to Alberto the bands of power.
hope this helps
Zane

sue peters <zzpeters@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello,

 

I wonder if you could enlighten me on the difference (if there is any) between the Bands of Power and the Chumpi Belts?  Are the elements the same - first band is earth in the Bands of Power (in Munay-ki) - with the chumpi belts is the first belt earth as well or is it water?  Thank-you for any information you can give me regarding this.

 

Sue

Keremeos, B.C., Canada

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Hello Sue.
It's fine My best friend when I was a child called me Jane
What I meant to say was I was trained by the man who taught Alberto The bands of power. All of Alberto's students where taught that the Siki or black belt was earth. This is Alberto's view. The traditional view is that the siki is connected to water because it can flow deep into the earth, it is also our ability to go deep into our subconscious to find peace and stillness. The blets themselves are part of the middle tradition (Chuapi) and are the tools of the Chumpi Paqo. A very rear  branch of the Andean Priesthood .
Feel free to write anytime
Your brother in light
Zane

sue peters <zzpeters@yahoo.com> wrote:

My apologies, Zane, for calling you Jane.  Good grief! ...and again, thank-you for sharing the information on the chumpi belts. Sue

sue peters <zzpeters@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thank-you, Jane.  it is intesting, though, because the training I received was from one who trained from Alberto - but the first band is earth?  That is way I was wondering.  i do hope to take the training with the Chumpi belts further to help aliviated this confusion. Sue

zane curfman <tolsie2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello Sue The bands of power and the Chumpi Belts are the same thing. each Chumpi has an eye called a Nawi. The first band is black or dark green and  is connected to water. the second band the qosqa is red and connected with earth.
I was trained by Juan Nunez Del Prado this is the same person that passed to Alberto the bands of power.
hope this helps
Zane

sue peters <zzpeters@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello,

 

I wonder if you could enlighten me on the difference (if there is any) between the Bands of Power and the Chumpi Belts?  Are the elements the same - first band is earth in the Bands of Power (in Munay-ki) - with the chumpi belts is the first belt earth as well or is it water?  Thank-you for any information you can give me regarding this.

 

Sue

Keremeos, B.C., Canada

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Hello.

I'm local to South Wales which has an ongoing mass suicide amongst
young people, noteably in Bridgend and Swansea.

http://www.go-bridgend.co.uk/index.php?
option=com_content&task=view&id=336&Itemid=45

Several years ago, I warned a lot of young people and teenagers that
they were being targeted by dangerous methods of mind control.

The result was that I was stalked, isolated, frequently inscited
against, and psychologicaly targeted by the gang which was doing it.

Many of the methods of the child predators and psychological
predators look like cultism, other methods look like organised sex
crime and drug rape, other methods resemble NLP and hypnosis but this
is combined with batteriess of other abuses so that it might afect
people against their will.

There is also a lot of violence which is intended to isolate or
intimidate targets or force them to ingest unknown substances.

PLEASE pass this on to every one you know who might use magic or
prayer to bring about the exposure of child predators and
psychological predators in the South Wales area.

We need magic and prayers to expose the predators and their methods
of abuse, cultism and and brainwashing, these methods must be exposed
as damaging, and as contributing to the local problems such as
depression and suicide.

We need magic and prayers to expose their organisation, and the ways
that they target people who threaten their power over their victims.

We need magic and prayres to expose the ways that they make smoke
screens with the reputations of innocent people, and vulnerable
groups which they infiltrate.

We need macic and prayres to support, heal and rehabilitate the
inocent targets of the abusers, and to remove all influence which the
predators have over people's lives, minds and reputations.

I am sending this message out to a lot of people, so a lot of people
will be doing this with you if you choose to help.

Thank you.

Dear Sister,
I understand your anguish. I will pray for a miracle, I will pray for things to
change for the better. Maybe we should all pray for those horrible acts to end.
But personally I don't think it is my place to do any magic to change things. We
are just human sister, and any power given to us is NOT because we studied from
any Inca Master Medicine Man but because it comes from above. I have learned
that we are like a hollow bone and the healing comes right through us if chosen.
Lots of prayer, morning and night. Prayer to the four directions. Prayer as our
lives depend on it.
If we engage into magic, we engage our egos and vanity. They want us to engage
and if we would we would do matters worse. Pray, pray very hard as if it your
last day. Pray with your heart everyone.
Pachamama is balancing herself.

In the jungle even the most ferocious of animals have a purpose. Even the
maggots have a purpose, as well as viruses. The balance of things in the great
big blanket of light energy is hard to understand if ever for my little brain.

Of all the injustice of the world, the one you mention is definitively  one of
them. We have to be wise and not emotional about this.
I promise to pray for all the children that suffer in the world from injustice,
abuse, hunger, disease, war, and for the ones that are lost in hopelessness.

Wayqe Munay
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> To: Wisdom_of_the_Andes@...
> From: deathcultexposure@...
> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:16:20 +0000
> Subject: [Wisdom_of_the_Andes] requesting help
>
>
> Hello.
>
> I'm local to South Wales which has an ongoing mass suicide amongst
> young people, noteably in Bridgend and Swansea.
>
> http://www.go-bridgend.co.uk/index.php?
> option=com_content&task=view&id=336&Itemid=45
>
> Several years ago, I warned a lot of young people and teenagers that
> they were being targeted by dangerous methods of mind control.
>
> The result was that I was stalked, isolated, frequently inscited
> against, and psychologicaly targeted by the gang which was doing it.
>
> Many of the methods of the child predators and psychological
> predators look like cultism, other methods look like organised sex
> crime and drug rape, other methods resemble NLP and hypnosis but this
> is combined with batteriess of other abuses so that it might afect
> people against their will.
>
> There is also a lot of violence which is intended to isolate or
> intimidate targets or force them to ingest unknown substances.
>
> PLEASE pass this on to every one you know who might use magic or
> prayer to bring about the exposure of child predators and
> psychological predators in the South Wales area.
>
> We need magic and prayers to expose the predators and their methods
> of abuse, cultism and and brainwashing, these methods must be exposed
> as damaging, and as contributing to the local problems such as
> depression and suicide.
>
> We need magic and prayers to expose their organisation, and the ways
> that they target people who threaten their power over their victims.
>
> We need magic and prayres to expose the ways that they make smoke
> screens with the reputations of innocent people, and vulnerable
> groups which they infiltrate.
>
> We need macic and prayres to support, heal and rehabilitate the
> inocent targets of the abusers, and to remove all influence which the
> predators have over people's lives, minds and reputations.
>
> I am sending this message out to a lot of people, so a lot of people
> will be doing this with you if you choose to help.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
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> To: Wisdom_of_the_Andes@yahoogroups.co.uk
> From: deathcultexposure@yahoo.co.uk
> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:16:20 +0000
> Subject: [Wisdom_of_the_Andes] requesting help
>
>
> Hello.
>
> I'm local to South Wales which has an ongoing mass suicide amongst
> young people, noteably in Bridgend and Swansea.
>
> http://www.go-bridgend.co.uk/index.php?
> option=com_content&task=view&id=336&Itemid=45
>
> Several years ago, I warned a lot of young people and teenagers that
> they were being targeted by dangerous methods of mind control.
>
> The result was that I was stalked, isolated, frequently inscited
> against, and psychologicaly targeted by the gang which was doing it.
>
> Many of the methods of the child predators and psychological
> predators look like cultism, other methods look like organised sex
> crime and drug rape, other methods resemble NLP and hypnosis but this
> is combined with batteriess of other abuses so that it might afect
> people against their will.
>
> There is also a lot of violence which is intended to isolate or
> intimidate targets or force them to ingest unknown substances.
>
> PLEASE pass this on to every one you know who might use magic or
> prayer to bring about the exposure of child predators and
> psychological predators in the South Wales area.
>
> We need magic and prayers to expose the predators and their methods
> of abuse, cultism and and brainwashing, these methods must be exposed
> as damaging, and as contributing to the local problems such as
> depression and suicide.
>
> We need magic and prayers to expose their organisation, and the ways
> that they target people who threaten their power over their victims.
>
> We need magic and prayres to expose the ways that they make smoke
> screens with the reputations of innocent people, and vulnerable
> groups which they infiltrate.
>
> We need macic and prayres to support, heal and rehabilitate the
> inocent targets of the abusers, and to remove all influence which the
> predators have over people's lives, minds and reputations.
>
> I am sending this message out to a lot of people, so a lot of people
> will be doing this with you if you choose to help.
>
> Thank you.

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You need love and light to be sent to deal with any abuse, and trust
that the universe will hear your prayers.
To engage in magic is not the answer you will open the door for
negativity, we have to find forgivenss and pray for the worst
offenders otherwise they will not change their conciousness and again
ask for the love and light to come down.
Somethings are karmically out of our hands and trust and prayer are
the only way to move things forward. It is iomportant to be non
judgemental.
It is a tough world and we put ourselves in situations in order to
grow and learn lessons and to move forward with our paths.
Often our worst enemies need to be thanked as they are our best
teachers
Blessings and munay
Tessa

quick note-

question 1- ask yourself.  is this work for your hands?  if you have any
resonance for/with what is going on.. if it strikes any personal
energetic, ie- if you have a " need" to resolve this, whatever the " this
is", then that part is your work, not the bigger picture.  Juan nunez
teaches- if you want to heal the world- heal yourself.  another teacher..
do not dip your hand in the water until you have no need to.

question 2- how to best resolve/ heal both the inner/ self and outer/
bigger picture. 1- heal yourself.  2- be pro-active, work in the kaypacha.
  find groups or work to create groups that offer kids alternatives, eve if
it is a place to play soccer.  when you oppose something- you add to its
energy.  rather- put your energy into what you want things to be.. not
what you want to stop. by going after an energetic you want to remove.. it
is like adding miracle grow to a weed.  and.. it isn't even your weed..
could be bad. ( ie- you can't fight fire with fire)

third- always go back to this.. did they ask for help?  did they ask.. did
they ask?  ( see number 1).

one of the most difficult lessons as a healer, or even someone who cares..
can be learning not to interfere/ meddle.  This sounds cold- but meddling
can be just as harmful as not meddling. sometimes it is not our place to
fix things.. sometimes the lesson is learning to leave it broken and walk
away ( again, this is personal level work).  understand that everyone.. is
here on their own work.. whatever that karma/ soul work is.. it is their
work.  however horrific it might be- we, from the outside.. cannot see or
know their bigger picture.

trust the universe. ask for guidance ( with caution- not all higher powers
have our best interest as their interest), and do your own work- it raises
the vibration for all.

Teri