hi i am still having cut out problem with my microcar virgo, the car starts/runs

perfectly for about a mile /5 minutes then cuts out and when i take foot off

throttle it will run again but a bit on-off stall,i have put new plugs,

coil,leads,other box on bulkhead,rectifier possibly (i am not sure) but still

having trouble -any ideas would be helpful .thanks

Is your Virgp Petrol or Diesel. This sounds like a classic case of petrol

evaporation to me - hence it runs until the engine gets hot, then the petrol

starts to vaporise before it reaches the combustion chamber. If that's the

case check the routing of the petrol supply pipes and if possible re-route

uit away from any obvious heat sources or consider foil back insulation

where you can't. Just my five pennorth.











Regards





Martin







"We don't judge them. We just grade them and smite them. Yes Sir, swiftly

and surely, with extreme prejudice and by the wrath of God"







From: aixamandmicrocar@...

[mailto:aixamandmicrocar@...] On Behalf Of microcar66

Sent: 06 May 2009 13:22

To: aixamandmicrocar@...

Subject: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out

















hi i am still having cut out problem with my microcar virgo, the car

starts/runs perfectly for about a mile /5 minutes then cuts out and when i

take foot off throttle it will run again but a bit on-off stall,i have put

new plugs, coil,leads,other box on bulkhead,rectifier possibly (i am not

sure) but still having trouble -any ideas would be helpful .thanks







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Humm... if it were a bike id say, the tank vent is blocked, so causing an air

lock (no air can get in to replace the fuel burnt) so it stops but will start

after a while and do it again. On a bike id say take the cap off and run it see

if it does the same, might be something to look at.

thanks for reply Martin,the problem seems to happen when i have gone downhill

off throttle and back on i.e. turned corner or back on flat road,top/ bottom of

hill even when engine is still quite cold i had a quick look for any heat

transfer near carb etc and i noticed water pipe  near petrol pipe and moved but

didn't help unfortunately any other ideas welcome ,thanks



--- On Wed, 6/5/09, Martin <martin@...> wrote:



From: Martin <martin@...>

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out

To: aixamandmicrocar@...

Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 5:35 PM

















Is your Virgp Petrol or Diesel. This sounds like a classic case of petrol

evaporation to me - hence it runs until the engine gets hot, then the petrol

starts to vaporise before it reaches the combustion chamber. If that's the

case check the routing of the petrol supply pipes and if possible re-route

uit away from any obvious heat sources or consider foil back insulation

where you can't. Just my five pennorth.



Regards



Martin



"We don't judge them. We just grade them and smite them. Yes Sir, swiftly

and surely, with extreme prejudice and by the wrath of God"



From: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

[mailto:aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk] On Behalf Of microcar66

Sent: 06 May 2009 13:22

To: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

Subject: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out



hi i am still having cut out problem with my microcar virgo, the car

starts/runs perfectly for about a mile /5 minutes then cuts out and when i

take foot off throttle it will run again but a bit on-off stall,i have put

new plugs, coil,leads,other box on bulkhead,rectifier possibly (i am not

sure) but still having trouble -any ideas would be helpful .thanks



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Okay, heres another idea.Have you changed the fuel filter? I once bought a

very snazzy Mitsubishi Sapparo Sports car for a mere £400 quid because it

ran badly and lacked power – it exhibited similar symptoms to your Virgo. A

49pence fuel filter (this was 20 years ago!) cured the problem and I had

almost three eyars out of the car before selling it on for more than I had

paid for it! Happy days!







Regards





Martin







"We don't judge them. We just grade them and smite them. Yes Sir, swiftly

and surely, with extreme prejudice and by the wrath of God"







From: aixamandmicrocar@...

[mailto:aixamandmicrocar@...] On Behalf Of norman insch

Sent: 06 May 2009 20:29

To: aixamandmicrocar@...

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out



















thanks for reply Martin,the problem seems to happen when i have gone

downhill off throttle and back on i.e. turned corner or back on flat

road,top/ bottom of hill even when engine is still quite cold i had a quick

look for any heat transfer near carb etc and i noticed water pipe  near

petrol pipe and moved but didn't help unfortunately any other ideas welcome

,thanks



--- On Wed, 6/5/09, Martin <martin@...

<mailto:martin%40thorpcross.karoo.co.uk> > wrote:



From: Martin <martin@...

<mailto:martin%40thorpcross.karoo.co.uk> >

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out

To: aixamandmicrocar@...

<mailto:aixamandmicrocar%40yahoogroups.co.uk>

Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 5:35 PM



Is your Virgp Petrol or Diesel. This sounds like a classic case of petrol

evaporation to me - hence it runs until the engine gets hot, then the petrol

starts to vaporise before it reaches the combustion chamber. If that's the

case check the routing of the petrol supply pipes and if possible re-route

uit away from any obvious heat sources or consider foil back insulation

where you can't. Just my five pennorth.



Regards



Martin



"We don't judge them. We just grade them and smite them. Yes Sir, swiftly

and surely, with extreme prejudice and by the wrath of God"



From: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

[mailto:aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk] On Behalf Of microcar66

Sent: 06 May 2009 13:22

To: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

Subject: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out



hi i am still having cut out problem with my microcar virgo, the car

starts/runs perfectly for about a mile /5 minutes then cuts out and when i

take foot off throttle it will run again but a bit on-off stall,i have put

new plugs, coil,leads,other box on bulkhead,rectifier possibly (i am not

sure) but still having trouble -any ideas would be helpful .thanks



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thanks again Martin,i forgot to mention car also backfires i dont know if this

makes any other ideas spring to mind but i will try fuel filter .thanks again  



--- On Wed, 6/5/09, Martin <martin@...> wrote:



From: Martin <martin@...>

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out

To: aixamandmicrocar@...

Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 8:55 PM

















Okay, heres another idea.Have you changed the fuel filter? I once bought a

very snazzy Mitsubishi Sapparo Sports car for a mere £400 quid because it

ran badly and lacked power – it exhibited similar symptoms to your Virgo. A

49pence fuel filter (this was 20 years ago!) cured the problem and I had

almost three eyars out of the car before selling it on for more than I had

paid for it! Happy days!



Regards



Martin



"We don't judge them. We just grade them and smite them. Yes Sir, swiftly

and surely, with extreme prejudice and by the wrath of God"



From: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

[mailto:aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk] On Behalf Of norman insch

Sent: 06 May 2009 20:29

To: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out



thanks for reply Martin,the problem seems to happen when i have gone

downhill off throttle and back on i.e. turned corner or back on flat

road,top/ bottom of hill even when engine is still quite cold i had a quick

look for any heat transfer near carb etc and i noticed water pipe near

petrol pipe and moved but didn't help unfortunately any other ideas welcome

,thanks



--- On Wed, 6/5/09, Martin <martin@thorpcross. karoo.co. uk

<mailto:martin% 40thorpcross. karoo.co. uk> > wrote:



From: Martin <martin@thorpcross. karoo.co. uk

<mailto:martin% 40thorpcross. karoo.co. uk> >

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out

To: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

<mailto:aixamandmic rocar%40yahoogro ups.co.uk>

Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 5:35 PM



Is your Virgp Petrol or Diesel. This sounds like a classic case of petrol

evaporation to me - hence it runs until the engine gets hot, then the petrol

starts to vaporise before it reaches the combustion chamber. If that's the

case check the routing of the petrol supply pipes and if possible re-route

uit away from any obvious heat sources or consider foil back insulation

where you can't. Just my five pennorth.



Regards



Martin



"We don't judge them. We just grade them and smite them. Yes Sir, swiftly

and surely, with extreme prejudice and by the wrath of God"



From: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

[mailto:aixamandmic rocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk] On Behalf Of microcar66

Sent: 06 May 2009 13:22

To: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

Subject: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out



hi i am still having cut out problem with my microcar virgo, the car

starts/runs perfectly for about a mile /5 minutes then cuts out and when i

take foot off throttle it will run again but a bit on-off stall,i have put

new plugs, coil,leads,other box on bulkhead,rectifier possibly (i am not

sure) but still having trouble -any ideas would be helpful .thanks



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A very good day to you, {even if it ain't !}

This lovely little car, ...just exactly when does it backfire?  Only after a

mile, or only after shutting off for a while, or just downhill, or some other

scanario? Does the exhaust smell of unburnt fuel? Does it only cut out when

turning the steering in a particular direction? Do you know if the valve

clearance is correct, 'cos this has caused many a mystery. The fuel filter

suggestion by Martin is probably right on the nail, but if there is no result

when replaced etc, then be very specific about checking these other things. A

fair while back someone else had a similar problem and traced it to a connector

block behind the steering column being stretched every time the car was turned

in a certain direction! This intermittantly disconnected the ign,switch, causing

it to die. Might help, might not? Let us all know. Someone will come up with the

cure.

Best regards. BJ.



--- On Wed, 6/5/09, norman insch <microcar66@...> wrote:





From: norman insch <microcar66@...>

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out

To: aixamandmicrocar@...

Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 9:55 PM

















thanks again Martin,i forgot to mention car also backfires i dont know if this

makes any other ideas spring to mind but i will try fuel filter .thanks again  



--- On Wed, 6/5/09, Martin <martin@thorpcross. karoo.co. uk> wrote:



From: Martin <martin@thorpcross. karoo.co. uk>

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out

To: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 8:55 PM



Okay, heres another idea.Have you changed the fuel filter? I once bought a

very snazzy Mitsubishi Sapparo Sports car for a mere £400 quid because it

ran badly and lacked power – it exhibited similar symptoms to your Virgo. A

49pence fuel filter (this was 20 years ago!) cured the problem and I had

almost three eyars out of the car before selling it on for more than I had

paid for it! Happy days!



Regards



Martin



"We don't judge them. We just grade them and smite them. Yes Sir, swiftly

and surely, with extreme prejudice and by the wrath of God"



From: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

[mailto:aixamandmic rocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk] On Behalf Of norman insch

Sent: 06 May 2009 20:29

To: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out



thanks for reply Martin,the problem seems to happen when i have gone

downhill off throttle and back on i.e. turned corner or back on flat

road,top/ bottom of hill even when engine is still quite cold i had a quick

look for any heat transfer near carb etc and i noticed water pipe near

petrol pipe and moved but didn't help unfortunately any other ideas welcome

,thanks



--- On Wed, 6/5/09, Martin <martin@thorpcross. karoo.co. uk

<mailto:martin% 40thorpcross. karoo.co. uk> > wrote:



From: Martin <martin@thorpcross. karoo.co. uk

<mailto:martin% 40thorpcross. karoo.co. uk> >

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out

To: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

<mailto:aixamandmic rocar%40yahoogro ups.co.uk>

Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 5:35 PM



Is your Virgp Petrol or Diesel. This sounds like a classic case of petrol

evaporation to me - hence it runs until the engine gets hot, then the petrol

starts to vaporise before it reaches the combustion chamber. If that's the

case check the routing of the petrol supply pipes and if possible re-route

uit away from any obvious heat sources or consider foil back insulation

where you can't. Just my five pennorth.



Regards



Martin



"We don't judge them. We just grade them and smite them. Yes Sir, swiftly

and surely, with extreme prejudice and by the wrath of God"



From: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

[mailto:aixamandmic rocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk] On Behalf Of microcar66

Sent: 06 May 2009 13:22

To: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

Subject: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out



hi i am still having cut out problem with my microcar virgo, the car

starts/runs perfectly for about a mile /5 minutes then cuts out and when i

take foot off throttle it will run again but a bit on-off stall,i have put

new plugs, coil,leads,other box on bulkhead,rectifier possibly (i am not

sure) but still having trouble -any ideas would be helpful .thanks



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thanks for reply ,i moved some pipes to cooler positions and moved connector

boxes beside steering column and now car running perfectly ,thanks for

suggestions and to all other people for their ideas and hopefully this has cured

the problem ,cheers



--- On Thu, 7/5/09, B TICEHURST <beejaytee2003@...> wrote:



From: B TICEHURST <beejaytee2003@...>

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out

To: aixamandmicrocar@...

Date: Thursday, 7 May, 2009, 12:33 PM

















A very good day to you, {even if it ain't !}

This lovely little car, ...just exactly when does it backfire?  Only after a

mile, or only after shutting off for a while, or just downhill, or some other

scanario? Does the exhaust smell of unburnt fuel? Does it only cut out when

turning the steering in a particular direction? Do you know if the valve

clearance is correct, 'cos this has caused many a mystery. The fuel filter

suggestion by Martin is probably right on the nail, but if there is no result

when replaced etc, then be very specific about checking these other things. A

fair while back someone else had a similar problem and traced it to a connector

block behind the steering column being stretched every time the car was turned

in a certain direction! This intermittantly disconnected the ign,switch, causing

it to die. Might help, might not? Let us all know. Someone will come up with the

cure.

Best regards. BJ.



--- On Wed, 6/5/09, norman insch <microcar66@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:



From: norman insch <microcar66@yahoo. co.uk>

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out

To: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 9:55 PM



thanks again Martin,i forgot to mention car also backfires i dont know if this

makes any other ideas spring to mind but i will try fuel filter .thanks again  



--- On Wed, 6/5/09, Martin <martin@thorpcross. karoo.co. uk> wrote:



From: Martin <martin@thorpcross. karoo.co. uk>

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out

To: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 8:55 PM



Okay, heres another idea.Have you changed the fuel filter? I once bought a

very snazzy Mitsubishi Sapparo Sports car for a mere £400 quid because it

ran badly and lacked power – it exhibited similar symptoms to your Virgo. A

49pence fuel filter (this was 20 years ago!) cured the problem and I had

almost three eyars out of the car before selling it on for more than I had

paid for it! Happy days!



Regards



Martin



"We don't judge them. We just grade them and smite them. Yes Sir, swiftly

and surely, with extreme prejudice and by the wrath of God"



From: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

[mailto:aixamandmic rocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk] On Behalf Of norman insch

Sent: 06 May 2009 20:29

To: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out



thanks for reply Martin,the problem seems to happen when i have gone

downhill off throttle and back on i.e. turned corner or back on flat

road,top/ bottom of hill even when engine is still quite cold i had a quick

look for any heat transfer near carb etc and i noticed water pipe near

petrol pipe and moved but didn't help unfortunately any other ideas welcome

,thanks



--- On Wed, 6/5/09, Martin <martin@thorpcross. karoo.co. uk

<mailto:martin% 40thorpcross. karoo.co. uk> > wrote:



From: Martin <martin@thorpcross. karoo.co. uk

<mailto:martin% 40thorpcross. karoo.co. uk> >

Subject: RE: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out

To: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

<mailto:aixamandmic rocar%40yahoogro ups.co.uk>

Date: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009, 5:35 PM



Is your Virgp Petrol or Diesel. This sounds like a classic case of petrol

evaporation to me - hence it runs until the engine gets hot, then the petrol

starts to vaporise before it reaches the combustion chamber. If that's the

case check the routing of the petrol supply pipes and if possible re-route

uit away from any obvious heat sources or consider foil back insulation

where you can't. Just my five pennorth.



Regards



Martin



"We don't judge them. We just grade them and smite them. Yes Sir, swiftly

and surely, with extreme prejudice and by the wrath of God"



From: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

[mailto:aixamandmic rocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk] On Behalf Of microcar66

Sent: 06 May 2009 13:22

To: aixamandmicrocar@ yahoogroups. co.uk

Subject: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out



hi i am still having cut out problem with my microcar virgo, the car

starts/runs perfectly for about a mile /5 minutes then cuts out and when i

take foot off throttle it will run again but a bit on-off stall,i have put

new plugs, coil,leads,other box on bulkhead,rectifier possibly (i am not

sure) but still having trouble -any ideas would be helpful .thanks



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thanks to all that have responded to my request,the car electrics all seem to be

working have checked earths /connectors and have found the car will rev/run in

neutral 100% but when in gear - under load it cuts out ,backfires and niether me

or the mechanic can understand it ,have replaced so many parts,alternator/cam

sensor,plugs -leads,battery,and other various parts with no success

,filler/breather ok,petrol pipe clear of everything ie not trapped/away from

heat source ,i have no hair left to tear out ,any ideas welcome.thanks

Sounds like a bad air leak or the carb is dropping to bits inside.

mine did but I caught it before it got to bad.

btw dont rev the engine with the belt on it will kill the gearbox bearings





From: microcar66

Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 6:18 PM

To: aixamandmicrocar@...

Subject: [Aixam and Microcar] virgo cutting out











thanks to all that have responded to my request,the car electrics all seem to be

working have checked earths /connectors and have found the car will rev/run in

neutral 100% but when in gear - under load it cuts out ,backfires and niether me

or the mechanic can understand it ,have replaced so many parts,alternator/cam

sensor,plugs -leads,battery,and other various parts with no success

,filler/breather ok,petrol pipe clear of everything ie not trapped/away from

heat source ,i have no hair left to tear out ,any ideas welcome.thanks











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--- In aixamandmicrocar@..., "microcar66" <microcar66@...> wrote:

>

> thanks to all that have responded to my request,the car electrics all seem to

be working have checked earths /connectors and have found the car will rev/run

in neutral 100% but when in gear - under load it cuts out ,backfires and niether

me or the mechanic can understand it ,have replaced so many parts,alternator/cam

sensor,plugs -leads,battery,and other various parts with no success

,filler/breather ok,petrol pipe clear of everything ie not trapped/away from

heat source ,i have no hair left to tear out ,any ideas welcome.thanks

>

--- In aixamandmicrocar@..., "microcar66" <microcar66@...> wrote:

>

> thanks to all that have responded to my request,the car electrics all seem to

be working have checked earths /connectors and have found the car will rev/run

in neutral 100% but when in gear - under load it cuts out ,backfires and niether

me or the mechanic can understand it ,have replaced so many parts,alternator/cam

sensor,plugs -leads,battery,and other various parts with no success

,filler/breather ok,petrol pipe clear of everything ie not trapped/away from

heat source ,i have no hair left to tear out ,any ideas welcome.thanks

>

Hiya. I know this will not help but is really for information only, so get ready

to feel really bad. I have a Microcar Virgo standing in my garden which has the

same fault as yours. Ticks over for ever but put power on and it cuts out. I

have done all the tricks you have and it is still the same< I even aquired a new

carburetter, and all this happened two years ago. I gave up in the end and

bought an MC1. Sorry if this depresses you. Terry

the problems i had with my virgo cutting out/backfiring were down to the carb

,but still couln't work out why-simple cure ,i traded it in and bought an mc1

instead- problem solved.i /microcar mechanic tried all suggestions from site

plus a few of our own but had no luck but thanks to all.