Hey all,
Just a reminder that our Angel Meadow Community Forum with the local
neighbourhood policing team and council and park officers is TOMORROW night at
7.30 in the back room of the Marble Arch on Rochdale Road.
Come along to raise any issues you have with the park and the surrounding area.
This is your chance to help make your neighbourhood better. Don't miss out!
See you tomorrow,
Kev
Chair
Friends of Angel Meadow
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www.facebook.com/kev.peel | http://twitter.com/kevpeel
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Hey everyone,
A number of local residents have contacted us recently with issues concerning
the park and the surrounding area so we have decided to host a Community Forum
with leading Council officers and the police to allow you to put your concerns
direct to them and discuss how we can go about improving the area. Here are the
details:
Angel Meadow Community Forum
Monday 23rd November, 7.30pm
The Marble Arch (Back Room)
We'll be joined by:
Andy Costello - Greater Manchester Police
Christine Pulford - Street Environment Manager
Lindsay Laidlaw - Crime and Safety Co-ordinator
Philip Bradley - Ancoats & Clayton Ward Co-ordinator
Cllr Jim Battle - Local Councillor and Deputy Leader of MCC with responsibility
for Crime & Disorder Reduction Partnership
Steve Downey - Manchester Leisure
Please confirm if you plan to attend so we have an idea of numbers.
I look forward to seeing you on Monday.
Rgds,
Kevin Peel
Chair, Friends of Angel Meadow
---
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Hey everyone!
Just a reminder that we'll be meeting in the park at 11am on Sunday morning to
do a bit of a clean up and also plant some bulbs to make the park look lovely
next spring!
All the tools you need will be provided, just don your scruffy jeans and stick
on a jumper and come join us!
Kev
Chair
Friends of Angel Meadow
---
Kevin Peel | 07772 608 058 | Kev.Peel@... |
www.facebook.com/kev.peel | http://twitter.com/kevpeel
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Hey Emma,
We're looking to host a residents forum with council officers and the police
towards the end of November to discuss this and other issues. Stay tuned for
details!
Kev
---
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www.facebook.com/kev.peel | http://twitter.com/kevpeel
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Posted by: "Kevin Peel" kev.peel@... kev.peel
Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:54 am
Hey everyone,
It's time for our annual autumn clean up at Angel Meadow!
Don your winter woolies and head down to the park on Sunday 8th November at 11am
when we'll be giving Angel Meadow an autumn makeover!
Afterwards we'll be heading to Northern Cafe to work off the remnants of
hangovers with their delicious all day breakfast!
Hope to see you there.
Kev
Chair
Friends of Angel Meadow
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Posted by: "Emma" emmalepp@... lowther.emma
Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:30 pm
Please can we get some more lighting for in and around the park.
Recently it becoming quite unsafe, the police have recommended this
come from the friends of angel meadow.
Thanks
Emma
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On 28 Oct 2009, at 11:54, Kevin Peel <kev.peel@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> It's time for our annual autumn clean up at Angel Meadow!
>
> Don your winter woolies and head down to the park on Sunday 8th
> November at 11am when we'll be giving Angel Meadow an autumn makeover!
>
> Afterwards we'll be heading to Northern Cafe to work off the
> remnants of hangovers with their delicious all day breakfast!
>
> Hope to see you there.
>
> Kev
>
> Chair
> Friends of Angel Meadow
>
> ---
>
> Kevin Peel | 07772 608 058 | Kev.Peel@yahoo. co.uk | www.facebook.
com/kev.peel
> | http://twitter. com/kevpeel
>
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Please can we get some more lighting for in and around the park.
Recently it becoming quite unsafe, the police have recommended this
come from the friends of angel meadow.
Thanks
Emma
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On 28 Oct 2009, at 11:54, Kevin Peel <kev.peel@...> wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> It's time for our annual autumn clean up at Angel Meadow!
>
> Don your winter woolies and head down to the park on Sunday 8th
> November at 11am when we'll be giving Angel Meadow an autumn makeover!
>
> Afterwards we'll be heading to Northern Cafe to work off the
> remnants of hangovers with their delicious all day breakfast!
>
> Hope to see you there.
>
> Kev
>
> Chair
> Friends of Angel Meadow
>
> ---
>
> Kevin Peel | 07772 608 058 | Kev.Peel@... |
www.facebook.com/kev.peel
> | http://twitter.com/kevpeel
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hey everyone,
It's time for our annual autumn clean up at Angel Meadow!
Don your winter woolies and head down to the park on Sunday 8th November at 11am
when we'll be giving Angel Meadow an autumn makeover!
Afterwards we'll be heading to Northern Cafe to work off the remnants of
hangovers with their delicious all day breakfast!
Hope to see you there.
Kev
Chair
Friends of Angel Meadow
---
Kevin Peel | 07772 608 058 | Kev.Peel@... |
www.facebook.com/kev.peel | http://twitter.com/kevpeel
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Dear Peter, Two more books for you,working class 1826/1936housing in 19th
century m/c by jacqueline roberts publisher neil richardson. Angels from the
Meadow by James stanhope-Brown.publisherchristine pothecary Woodford
Northants.You will find them interesting.best regards ,Margaret
To: angelmeadow@...
From: pc_in_poole@...
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:00:02 +0000
Subject: RE: [angelmeadow] angel meadow
Dear Margaret Clarke
I have an interest in Angel meadow. At the end of the 1890's my G.Grandfather
(Peter Craven) died there as a result of coming second in a fight. Apart from
the court report I have no further information about his connection to this
area. His marital home was New Mills where his body was returned for his wife to
arrange burial.
I shall speak to my local libraryabout the two books which you mention.
I know your email was not directed to me, but thank you anyway.
Best regards
Peter Craven
--- On Thu, 22/10/09, Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke121@...> wrote:
From: Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke121@...>
Subject: RE: [angelmeadow] angel meadow
To: "Mike" <angelmeadow@...>
Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 23:48
Dear Steve, looked up two Books for you,early Angel Meadow.Sunrise to Sunset by
Mary Bertenshaw publisher Pan Visuals, and Our Kid by Billy Hopkins publisher
Headline Publisher Ltd you will find all you want to know your Dad will find
them interesting when you tell him. I remember the lodging houses you
mention.Best Regards Margaret
To: angelmeadow@ yahoogroups. co.uk
From: steve_carly. 1964@btinternet. com
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:58:25 +0000
Subject: [angelmeadow] angel meadow
hi my name is steve webster Iam manchester carers centre groups development
worker which is situated aprox 300 metres from the meadow
I ahev an interset in angel street and the meadow as my father who is 77 years
old was born on angel st. and though he has alzhiemers he has vivid memories of
the street on which his mum had a lodging house.
any i took a walk in the meadow recently to explore the possibilty of taking
some carers from the groups we run on a local history walk around the meadow.I
would welcome any info or feedback or suggestions you could give me. ps if you
have any documents ie census which included 1930s with family name hamnett emma
in particular this would be very welcome for my dad thanks steve
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Thanks, Jim. I saw it in the files section. It conforms to the 1849 OS map I
have. I'm assuming Back Style St is the houses back to back with those fronting
Style St itself.
Jim
--- In angelmeadow@..., "James Hynes" <jp.hynes@...> wrote:
>
> There was a street plan of Style Street and Irk Street which I have repeated
here. Please tell me if you do not get it again. Jim
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
There was a street plan of Style Street and Irk Street which I have repeated
here. Please tell me if you do not get it again. Jim
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi
Just a quick notes but you can't send attachments via the message board.
However, you can upload files into the website. Click on the link "Files" choose
and appropriate sub folder and then upload your files so that all can view them.
Cheers,
Mike
Hi Jim,
Many thanks for your reply.
You mentioned an attachment and a street plan. Was something attached? I didn't
see anthing.
Regards,
Jim
--- In angelmeadow@..., "James Hynes" <jp.hynes@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Try this attachment. That how it would have been in 1851. My great
grandparents lived in Irk Street and Style Street. I used this street plan in my
52 page booklet, Hynes of Angel Meadow along with this comment from Engels. Jim
Hynes
>
> In his book, The Condition of the Working-Class in England in 1844, the
Marxist writer Engels described the district as 'Irish Town'. His vivid
description is given here.
>
>
> "The south bank of the Irk is here very steep and between fifteen and thirty
feet high. On this declivitous hillside there are planted three rows of houses,
of which the lowest rise directly out of the river, while the front walls of the
highest stand on the crest of the hill in Long Millgate. Among them are mills on
the river, in short the lower part of Long Millgate. Right and left a multitude
of covered passages lead from the main street into numerous courts, and he who
turns in thither gets into a filth and disgusting grime, the equal of which is
not to be found - especially in the courts which lead down to the Irk, and which
contain unqualifiedly the most horrible dwellings which I have yet beheld. In
one of these courts there stands directly at the entrance, at the end of the
covered passage, a privy without a door, so dirty that the inhabitants can pass
into and out of the court only by passing through foul pools of stagnant urine
and excrement. This is the first court on the Irk above Ducie Bridge - in case
any one should care to look into it. Below it on the river there are several
tanneries which fill the whole neighbourhood with the stench of animal
putrefaction. Below Ducie Bridge the only entrance to most of the houses is by
means of narrow, dirty stairs and over heaps of refuse and filth. The first
court below Ducie Bridge, known as Allen's Court, was in such a state at the
time of the cholera that the sanitary police ordered it evacuated, swept, and
disinfected with chloride of lime. Dr. Kay gives a terrible description of the
state of this court at that time. Since then, it seems to have been partially
torn away and rebuilt; at least looking down from Ducie Bridge, the passer-by
sees several ruined walls and heaps of debris with some newer houses. The view
from this bridge, mercifully concealed from mortals of small stature by a
parapet as high as a man, is characteristic for the whole district. At the
bottom flows, or rather stagnates, the Irk, a narrow, coal-black, foul-smelling
stream, full of debris and refuse, which it deposits on the shallower right
bank". In dry weather, a long string of the most disgusting, blackish-green,
slime pools are left standing on this bank, from the depths of which bubbles of
miasmatic gas constantly arise and give forth a stench unendurable even on the
bridge forty or fifty feet above the surface of the stream. But besides this,
the stream itself is checked every few paces by high weirs, behind which slime
and refuse accumulate and rot in thick masses. Above the bridge are tanneries,
bone mills, and gasworks, from which all
>
> drains and refuse find their way into the Irk, which receives further the
contents of all the neighbouring sewers and privies. It may be easily imagined,
therefore, what sort of residue the stream deposits. Below the bridge you look
upon the piles of debris, the refuse, filth, and offal from the courts on the
steep left bank; here each house is packed close behind its neighbour and a
piece of each is visible, all black, smoky, crumbling, ancient, with broken
panes and window frames. The background is furnished by old barrack-like factory
buildings. On the lower right bank stands a long row of houses and mills; the
second house being a ruin without a roof, piled with debris; the third stands so
low that the lowest floor is uninhabitable, and therefore without windows or
doors. Here the background embraces the pauper burial-ground, the station of the
Liverpool and Leeds railway, and, in the rear of this, the Workhouse, the
"Poor-Law Bastille" of Manchester, which, like a citadel, looks threateningly
down from behind its high walls and parapets on the hilltop, upon the
working-people's quarter below.
>
> Above Ducie Bridge, the left bank grows more flat and the right bank steeper,
but the condition of the dwellings on both banks grows worse rather than better.
He who turns to the left here from the main street, Long Millgate, is lost; he
wanders from one court to another, turns countless corners, passes nothing but
narrow, filthy nooks and alleys, until after a few minutes he has lost all clue,
and knows not whither to turn. Everywhere half or wholly ruined buildings, some
of them actually uninhabited, which means a great deal here; rarely a wooden or
stone floor to be seen in the houses, almost uniformly broken, ill-fitting
windows and doors, and a state of filth! Everywhere heaps of debris, refuse, and
offal; standing pools for gutters, and a stench which alone would make it
impossible for a human being in any degree civilised to live in such a district.
The newly-built extension of the Leeds railway, which crosses the Irk here, has
swept away some of these courts and lanes, laying others completely open to
view. Immediately under the railway bridge there stands a court, the filth and
horrors of which surpass all the others by far, just because it was hitherto so
>
> shut off, so secluded that the way to it could not be found without a good
deal of trouble. I should never have discovered it myself, without the breaks
made by the railway, though I thought I knew this whole region thoroughly.
Passing along a rough bank, among stakes and washing-lines, one penetrates into
this chaos of small one-storied, one-roomed huts, in most of which there is no
artificial floor; kitchen, living and sleeping-room all in one. In such a hole,
scarcely five feet long by six broad, I found two beds - and such bedsteads and
beds! - which, with a staircase and chimney-place, exactly filled the room. In
several others I found absolutely nothing, while the door stood open, and the
inhabitants leaned against it. Everywhere before the doors refuse and offal;
that any sort of pavement lay underneath could not be seen but only felt, here
and there, with the feet. This whole collection of cattle-sheds for human beings
was surrounded on two sides by houses and a factory, and on the third by the
river, and besides the narrow stair up the bank, a narrow doorway alone led out
into another almost equally ill-built, ill-kept labyrinth of dwellings.... "
>
>
> "If we leave the Irk and penetrate once more on the opposite side from Long
Millgate into the midst of the working-men's dwellings, we shall come into a
somewhat newer quarter, which stretches from St. Michael's Church to Withy Grove
and Shude Hill. Here there is somewhat better order. In place of the chaos of
buildings, we find at least long straight lanes and alleys or courts, built
according to a plan and usually square. But if, in the former case, every house
was built according to caprice, here each lane and court is so built, without
reference to the situation of the adjoining ones.... "
>
> " . . . Here, as in most of the working-men's quarters of Manchester, the
pork-raisers rent the courts and build pig-pens in them. In almost every court
one or even several such pens may be found, into which the inhabitants of the
court throw all refuse and offal, whence the swine grow fat; and the atmosphere,
confined on all four sides, is utterly corrupted by putrefying animal and
vegetable substances......
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Dear Margaret Clarke
I have an interest in Angel meadow. At the end of the 1890's my G.Grandfather
(Peter Craven) died there as a result of coming second in a fight. Apart from
the court report I have no further information about his connection to this
area. His marital home was New Mills where his body was returned for his wife to
arrange burial.
I shall speak to my local libraryabout the two books which you mention.
I know your email was not directed to me, but thank you anyway.
Best regards
Peter Craven
--- On Thu, 22/10/09, Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke121@...> wrote:
From: Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke121@...>
Subject: RE: [angelmeadow] angel meadow
To: "Mike" <angelmeadow@...>
Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 23:48
Dear Steve, looked up two Books for you,early Angel Meadow.Sunrise to Sunset by
Mary Bertenshaw publisher Pan Visuals, and Our Kid by Billy Hopkins publisher
Headline Publisher Ltd you will find all you want to know your Dad will find
them interesting when you tell him. I remember the lodging houses you
mention.Best Regards Margaret
To: angelmeadow@ yahoogroups. co.uk
From: steve_carly. 1964@btinternet. com
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:58:25 +0000
Subject: [angelmeadow] angel meadow
hi my name is steve webster Iam manchester carers centre groups development
worker which is situated aprox 300 metres from the meadow
I ahev an interset in angel street and the meadow as my father who is 77 years
old was born on angel st. and though he has alzhiemers he has vivid memories of
the street on which his mum had a lodging house.
any i took a walk in the meadow recently to explore the possibilty of taking
some carers from the groups we run on a local history walk around the meadow.I
would welcome any info or feedback or suggestions you could give me. ps if you
have any documents ie census which included 1930s with family name hamnett emma
in particular this would be very welcome for my dad thanks steve
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Try this attachment. That how it would have been in 1851. My great grandparents
lived in Irk Street and Style Street. I used this street plan in my 52 page
booklet, Hynes of Angel Meadow along with this comment from Engels. Jim Hynes
In his book, The Condition of the Working-Class in England in 1844, the Marxist
writer Engels described the district as 'Irish Town'. His vivid description is
given here.
"The south bank of the Irk is here very steep and between fifteen and thirty
feet high. On this declivitous hillside there are planted three rows of houses,
of which the lowest rise directly out of the river, while the front walls of the
highest stand on the crest of the hill in Long Millgate. Among them are mills on
the river, in short the lower part of Long Millgate. Right and left a multitude
of covered passages lead from the main street into numerous courts, and he who
turns in thither gets into a filth and disgusting grime, the equal of which is
not to be found - especially in the courts which lead down to the Irk, and which
contain unqualifiedly the most horrible dwellings which I have yet beheld. In
one of these courts there stands directly at the entrance, at the end of the
covered passage, a privy without a door, so dirty that the inhabitants can pass
into and out of the court only by passing through foul pools of stagnant urine
and excrement. This is the first court on the Irk above Ducie Bridge - in case
any one should care to look into it. Below it on the river there are several
tanneries which fill the whole neighbourhood with the stench of animal
putrefaction. Below Ducie Bridge the only entrance to most of the houses is by
means of narrow, dirty stairs and over heaps of refuse and filth. The first
court below Ducie Bridge, known as Allen's Court, was in such a state at the
time of the cholera that the sanitary police ordered it evacuated, swept, and
disinfected with chloride of lime. Dr. Kay gives a terrible description of the
state of this court at that time. Since then, it seems to have been partially
torn away and rebuilt; at least looking down from Ducie Bridge, the passer-by
sees several ruined walls and heaps of debris with some newer houses. The view
from this bridge, mercifully concealed from mortals of small stature by a
parapet as high as a man, is characteristic for the whole district. At the
bottom flows, or rather stagnates, the Irk, a narrow, coal-black, foul-smelling
stream, full of debris and refuse, which it deposits on the shallower right
bank". In dry weather, a long string of the most disgusting, blackish-green,
slime pools are left standing on this bank, from the depths of which bubbles of
miasmatic gas constantly arise and give forth a stench unendurable even on the
bridge forty or fifty feet above the surface of the stream. But besides this,
the stream itself is checked every few paces by high weirs, behind which slime
and refuse accumulate and rot in thick masses. Above the bridge are tanneries,
bone mills, and gasworks, from which all
drains and refuse find their way into the Irk, which receives further the
contents of all the neighbouring sewers and privies. It may be easily imagined,
therefore, what sort of residue the stream deposits. Below the bridge you look
upon the piles of debris, the refuse, filth, and offal from the courts on the
steep left bank; here each house is packed close behind its neighbour and a
piece of each is visible, all black, smoky, crumbling, ancient, with broken
panes and window frames. The background is furnished by old barrack-like factory
buildings. On the lower right bank stands a long row of houses and mills; the
second house being a ruin without a roof, piled with debris; the third stands so
low that the lowest floor is uninhabitable, and therefore without windows or
doors. Here the background embraces the pauper burial-ground, the station of the
Liverpool and Leeds railway, and, in the rear of this, the Workhouse, the
"Poor-Law Bastille" of Manchester, which, like a citadel, looks threateningly
down from behind its high walls and parapets on the hilltop, upon the
working-people's quarter below.
Above Ducie Bridge, the left bank grows more flat and the right bank steeper,
but the condition of the dwellings on both banks grows worse rather than better.
He who turns to the left here from the main street, Long Millgate, is lost; he
wanders from one court to another, turns countless corners, passes nothing but
narrow, filthy nooks and alleys, until after a few minutes he has lost all clue,
and knows not whither to turn. Everywhere half or wholly ruined buildings, some
of them actually uninhabited, which means a great deal here; rarely a wooden or
stone floor to be seen in the houses, almost uniformly broken, ill-fitting
windows and doors, and a state of filth! Everywhere heaps of debris, refuse, and
offal; standing pools for gutters, and a stench which alone would make it
impossible for a human being in any degree civilised to live in such a district.
The newly-built extension of the Leeds railway, which crosses the Irk here, has
swept away some of these courts and lanes, laying others completely open to
view. Immediately under the railway bridge there stands a court, the filth and
horrors of which surpass all the others by far, just because it was hitherto so
shut off, so secluded that the way to it could not be found without a good deal
of trouble. I should never have discovered it myself, without the breaks made by
the railway, though I thought I knew this whole region thoroughly. Passing along
a rough bank, among stakes and washing-lines, one penetrates into this chaos of
small one-storied, one-roomed huts, in most of which there is no artificial
floor; kitchen, living and sleeping-room all in one. In such a hole, scarcely
five feet long by six broad, I found two beds - and such bedsteads and beds! -
which, with a staircase and chimney-place, exactly filled the room. In several
others I found absolutely nothing, while the door stood open, and the
inhabitants leaned against it. Everywhere before the doors refuse and offal;
that any sort of pavement lay underneath could not be seen but only felt, here
and there, with the feet. This whole collection of cattle-sheds for human beings
was surrounded on two sides by houses and a factory, and on the third by the
river, and besides the narrow stair up the bank, a narrow doorway alone led out
into another almost equally ill-built, ill-kept labyrinth of dwellings.... "
"If we leave the Irk and penetrate once more on the opposite side from Long
Millgate into the midst of the working-men's dwellings, we shall come into a
somewhat newer quarter, which stretches from St. Michael's Church to Withy Grove
and Shude Hill. Here there is somewhat better order. In place of the chaos of
buildings, we find at least long straight lanes and alleys or courts, built
according to a plan and usually square. But if, in the former case, every house
was built according to caprice, here each lane and court is so built, without
reference to the situation of the adjoining ones.... "
" . . . Here, as in most of the working-men's quarters of Manchester, the
pork-raisers rent the courts and build pig-pens in them. In almost every court
one or even several such pens may be found, into which the inhabitants of the
court throw all refuse and offal, whence the swine grow fat; and the atmosphere,
confined on all four sides, is utterly corrupted by putrefying animal and
vegetable substances......
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi,
Can anybody help please? The 1851 census shows my great-great grandfather and
his family living in Back Style Street. Now I kow where that ought to be, by
it's name, but so far haven't actually found it on the 1849 large scale map or
any other map.
It's mentioned in "The Origins and Progress of the Malignant Cholera in
Manchester," (published 1833) on page 185. Other than that I've not found any
reference to it.
That book describes the location as "elevated open row of houses." It seems that
if the street lived up to its name would overlook the burial ground.
Any thoughts anybody?
Jim Chadwick
Dear Steve, looked up two Books for you,early Angel Meadow.Sunrise to Sunset by
Mary Bertenshaw publisher Pan Visuals, and Our Kid by Billy Hopkins publisher
Headline Publisher Ltd you will find all you want to know your Dad will find
them interesting when you tell him. I remember the lodging houses you
mention.Best Regards Margaret
To: angelmeadow@...
From: steve_carly.1964@...
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:58:25 +0000
Subject: [angelmeadow] angel meadow
hi my name is steve webster Iam manchester carers centre groups development
worker which is situated aprox 300 metres from the meadow
I ahev an interset in angel street and the meadow as my father who is 77 years
old was born on angel st. and though he has alzhiemers he has vivid memories of
the street on which his mum had a lodging house.
any i took a walk in the meadow recently to explore the possibilty of taking
some carers from the groups we run on a local history walk around the meadow.I
would welcome any info or feedback or suggestions you could give me. ps if you
have any documents ie census which included 1930s with family name hamnett emma
in particular this would be very welcome for my dad thanks steve
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hi my name is steve webster Iam manchester carers centre groups development
worker which is situated aprox 300 metres from the meadow
I ahev an interset in angel street and the meadow as my father who is 77 years
old was born on angel st. and though he has alzhiemers he has vivid memories of
the street on which his mum had a lodging house.
any i took a walk in the meadow recently to explore the possibilty of taking
some carers from the groups we run on a local history walk around the meadow.I
would welcome any info or feedback or suggestions you could give me. ps if you
have any documents ie census which included 1930s with family name hamnett emma
in particular this would be very welcome for my dad thanks steve
Dear Mike,Thanks for email, always interested in Angel Meadow,I know all the
area,lived in Temperance Blds opposite Park in the 20s 30s.Craigs Arkright Mill
,played in and around the boiler house of the Mill. I cant get onto Angel Meadow
site ,Iput in the wrong Password mth ago I dont know how to correct my
mistake.new to computers .regards Margaret.
To: angelmeadow@...
From: msrwingfield@...
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:15:18 +0000
Subject: [angelmeadow] Archaeological dig beside Angel Meadow
Hello,
If you haven't seen or heard, whilst preparing the site for the new Co-Op HQ
which is been built next to Angel Meadow park, an archeological dig has unearth
dwellings of the poor who lived here, and on Saturday just gone there was an
open day and a chance to chat with the team who have unearthed these relics.
Some good news articles are:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/aug/28/archaeology-manchester-victorian-s\
lumshttp://news.bbc.co.uk/local/manchester/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_82320\
00/8232430.stmhttp://www.manchesterconfidential.com/index.asp?Sessionx=IpqiNwY6JWTrKHqiNwF6IHq\
i
Plus I've uploaded some photos into the folder:
Photos/ Historical Images of the Park
Cheers,
Mike
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Hi Mike,
I've just joined the group. My mum and i r so interested in manchester/salford
history. my mum Pauline went to the open day on saturday to the dig. Iwent back
with her today to tske photos [railings in the way but took a few then battery
ran out going back weds/thurs depending on weather]. We walked round park area
read all the information boards there great. My mum has tried finding the
exactlocation for a few years especially since time team was there we found
the clock shop 'A STONES THROW AWAY' last year. We have read novels based about
the area and mum has quiet a few books on manchester with odd photos of the
area. Its such a shame that its goin to be built over we need this sort of
history for the next generations to come.
got ur website off one of the boards in the park.
It is probably a waste of time and money them building a new HQ, they already
have New Century house which has a load of empty floors and alot of
underutilised buildings oppostite Victoria Station so why build something new
with a big carbon footprint attached ?
--- In angelmeadow@..., "daniel.grosvenor" <daniel.grosvenor@...>
wrote:
>
> So, what do people think about the plans for the new Co-op headquarters? We
only have until 6th August to voice objections/comments to the council.
>
> Bascially, the plans are to put it in the corner of the land used for car
parks where Angel Street meets Dantzic Street. It will not quite as tall as the
CIS by the looks of it (14 storeys) and will taper down to a lower height.
>
> However, it will be right next to the park and my concern is that it will
block afternoon sunlight from the park (and surrounding flats) and increase wind
levels. Also it will be very noisy during constuction. On the other hand it
should improve the general area and give easier access to the ring road area.
But, it is also possible that they'll want to build more and more high rise
buildings on the rest of the land.
>
> You can see the plans on the council website at
http://www.publicaccess.manchester.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/applica\
tion_searchform.aspx and entering the application number of 090606/FO/2009/N1.
Check out the document 090606-EIA-0014.pdf (Environmental impact assessment) for
a nice 3D view of the proposed building and the effects on light levels for the
surrounding flats.
>
> Comments need to be sent in writing to Peter Babb, Head of Planning, PO Box
463, Town Hall Extension, Manchester, M60 3NY by 6th August.
>
> --- In angelmeadow@..., "kellyharvarde" <kellyharvarde@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone
> > Hope you're all well and that your christmas drinks were good. It's
> > great to hear your news from Dubai!
> >
> > Not sure if you've seen this:
> >
> > http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/business/s/1086492_coop_unve
> > ils_site_of_new_hq
> >
> > the new plans will be announced in more detail next year.
> >
> > Kelly x
> >
>
Hi Angel Meadow,
This is Ed Glinert from New Manchester Walks. We're doing a walk on Sunday 6
September at 3pm called "The Filthy & The Rich", starting at Selfridge's,
and going right into the heart of Angel Meadow via the "two nations" (the rich &
the poor, as Disraeli put it) or the two nations "Scotland" (Scotland
Bridge) and "Gibraltar" (Faber St) if you look at it another way!
The walk costs £6. Accompanied children free.
Hope to see some of you there.
Cheers
Ed Glinert
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Dear Craig,continuing the debate,Lowery must have had his back to Mary Ellen
Longs house in very narrow street cant see that happening couldnt see over the
steps. main steps in mincing street opposite steps .my Mother lived in Mincing
street. shall we ask GoogleMargaret
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From: craig_sefton@...
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:01:05 +0000
Subject: [angelmeadow] Re: Lowry's "The steps, irk place"
Having looked at the painting "The Playground" this definitely looks like a view
from the steps on Irk street.
I've done a little "cut & pasting" on my computer of the two paintings. The only
real differences are only one set of swings and no chimney.
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/seftonvr6/lowery.jpg[/IMG]
What do you think?
Craig.
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Having looked at the painting "The Playground" this definitely looks like a view
from the steps on Irk street.
I've done a little "cut & pasting" on my computer of the two paintings. The only
real differences are only one set of swings and no chimney.
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/seftonvr6/lowery.jpg[/IMG]
What do you think?
Craig.
Dear Mike, Thank you for your Email,have looked at Craigs message and Lowerys
Painting the swings in wrong place should be to the left near a handball court
but the church is right and that must be the Foundry chimney in background .All
he would see in the side street is the Steps,whereas in street opposite main
gates he would see further Bandstand on left of steps and SharpStreet straight
ahead up hill.very interested is this .Thanks for trying with the Park,it looked
nice a couple of weeks ago.Margaret Clarke Nee Caul
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From: msrwingfield@...
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:52:23 +0000
Subject: [angelmeadow] Re: Lowry's "The steps, irk place"
Hello,
On the subject of Lowry paintings have a look at the documents on this Yahoo
website under the location:
Files > History Notes > LS Lowry paintings of Angel Meadow.pdf
As with all Lowry's painting there was a fair amount of artistic licence
employed - bits were added to here and there so we cannot assume they are
factual representations of the past, but as this document shows Lowry was fond
of Angel Meadow and used it as his muse on a number of paintings.
Note the original Daily Mail article which Craig has referred to is also located
on this Yahoo website under the location:
Files > History Notes > The Daily Mail article 110505.pdf
Regards,
Mike
--- In angelmeadow@..., "craig_sefton" <craig_sefton@...> wrote:
>
> --- In angelmeadow@..., Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke121@>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Sefton, Lowry painted main Steps into Burial grounds,Charter St on left
St michaels on right. side entrance was in a small narrow street,there is a
photo in M/C Evening news printed afew years ago. My Father/Mother married in St
Michaels 1918 Jowett Wilson Rector.Ilove going to the Park to remember my young
days Margaret Clarke Nee Caul
> >
> >
> >
> > To: angelmeadow@...
> > From: sefton_craig@
> > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:29:57 +0000
> > Subject: [angelmeadow] Lowry's "The steps, irk place"
>
> Hi Margaret,
>
> thanks for your reply.
>
> Here's a link to the
image:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/legacygallery/gallery-5685/Matchstick-men-updat\
ed.html?selectedImage=48723
>
> Craig.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have finally visited the Angel Meadows site which I found fascinating. (I
actually sat and had my lunch there)!
> >
> > On one of the information boards there's the Lowry painting of "the steps
irk place". It states that the painting is looking up to the steps (with the
charter street ragged school on the left).
> >
> > But I believe the painting is looking up the other steps on Irk Street. From
this view the flags and the church directly behind it seem to fit better. I
believe housing where once present at either side of these steps too. I also
wonder if would Lowry have not included the distinctive Ragged school red door
way if the location is correct?
> >
> > Please don't take this as any kind of criticism or an opportunity to sound
clever (as this is not my intension).
> >
> > It would be great to hear anyone views on this.
> >
> > Craig.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hello,
On the subject of Lowry paintings have a look at the documents on this Yahoo
website under the location:
Files > History Notes > LS Lowry paintings of Angel Meadow.pdf
As with all Lowry's painting there was a fair amount of artistic licence
employed - bits were added to here and there so we cannot assume they are
factual representations of the past, but as this document shows Lowry was fond
of Angel Meadow and used it as his muse on a number of paintings.
Note the original Daily Mail article which Craig has referred to is also located
on this Yahoo website under the location:
Files > History Notes > The Daily Mail article 110505.pdf
Regards,
Mike
--- In angelmeadow@..., "craig_sefton" <craig_sefton@...> wrote:
>
> --- In angelmeadow@..., Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke121@>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear Sefton, Lowry painted main Steps into Burial grounds,Charter St on left
St michaels on right. side entrance was in a small narrow street,there is a
photo in M/C Evening news printed afew years ago. My Father/Mother married in
St Michaels 1918 Jowett Wilson Rector.Ilove going to the Park to remember my
young days Margaret Clarke Nee Caul
> >
> >
> >
> > To: angelmeadow@...
> > From: sefton_craig@
> > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:29:57 +0000
> > Subject: [angelmeadow] Lowry's "The steps, irk place"
>
> Hi Margaret,
>
> thanks for your reply.
>
> Here's a link to the
image:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/legacygallery/gallery-5685/Matchstick-men-updat\
ed.html?selectedImage=48723
>
> Craig.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have finally visited the Angel Meadows site which I found fascinating. (I
actually sat and had my lunch there)!
> >
> > On one of the information boards there's the Lowry painting of "the steps
irk place". It states that the painting is looking up to the steps (with the
charter street ragged school on the left).
> >
> > But I believe the painting is looking up the other steps on Irk Street. From
this view the flags and the church directly behind it seem to fit better. I
believe housing where once present at either side of these steps too. I also
wonder if would Lowry have not included the distinctive Ragged school red door
way if the location is correct?
> >
> > Please don't take this as any kind of criticism or an opportunity to sound
clever (as this is not my intension).
> >
> > It would be great to hear anyone views on this.
> >
> > Craig.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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--- In angelmeadow@..., Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke121@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Dear Sefton, Lowry painted main Steps into Burial grounds,Charter St on left
St michaels on right. side entrance was in a small narrow street,there is a
photo in M/C Evening news printed afew years ago. My Father/Mother married in
St Michaels 1918 Jowett Wilson Rector.Ilove going to the Park to remember my
young days Margaret Clarke Nee Caul
>
>
>
> To: angelmeadow@...
> From: sefton_craig@...
> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:29:57 +0000
> Subject: [angelmeadow] Lowry's "The steps, irk place"
Hi Margaret,
thanks for your reply.
Here's a link to the
image:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/legacygallery/gallery-5685/Matchstick-men-updat\
ed.html?selectedImage=48723
Craig.
>
>
>
>
>
> I have finally visited the Angel Meadows site which I found fascinating. (I
actually sat and had my lunch there)!
>
> On one of the information boards there's the Lowry painting of "the steps irk
place". It states that the painting is looking up to the steps (with the charter
street ragged school on the left).
>
> But I believe the painting is looking up the other steps on Irk Street. From
this view the flags and the church directly behind it seem to fit better. I
believe housing where once present at either side of these steps too. I also
wonder if would Lowry have not included the distinctive Ragged school red door
way if the location is correct?
>
> Please don't take this as any kind of criticism or an opportunity to sound
clever (as this is not my intension).
>
> It would be great to hear anyone views on this.
>
> Craig.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Sefton, Lowry painted main Steps into Burial grounds,Charter St on left St
michaels on right. side entrance was in a small narrow street,there is a photo
in M/C Evening news printed afew years ago. My Father/Mother married in St
Michaels 1918 Jowett Wilson Rector.Ilove going to the Park to remember my young
days Margaret Clarke Nee Caul
To: angelmeadow@...
From: sefton_craig@...
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:29:57 +0000
Subject: [angelmeadow] Lowry's "The steps, irk place"
I have finally visited the Angel Meadows site which I found fascinating. (I
actually sat and had my lunch there)!
On one of the information boards there's the Lowry painting of "the steps irk
place". It states that the painting is looking up to the steps (with the charter
street ragged school on the left).
But I believe the painting is looking up the other steps on Irk Street. From
this view the flags and the church directly behind it seem to fit better. I
believe housing where once present at either side of these steps too. I also
wonder if would Lowry have not included the distinctive Ragged school red door
way if the location is correct?
Please don't take this as any kind of criticism or an opportunity to sound
clever (as this is not my intension).
It would be great to hear anyone views on this.
Craig.
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