Don't worry, you don't have to read the long messages! They were
primarily replies to Vita Canicula Est and Gibble Gabble.
This however is a reply to you, so you might like to take a moment to
read it. I will try not to make it too long, but bear in mind that
about half of it will be quotes from your postings and not my
scribbles, if that makes a difference.

i90210i said:
"As much as I would love to slag off the SES and St. James Schools
about all the matters that have been brought up, I feel that they
are all just in the past. I am a person that for some reason or
another just doesn't like the SES at all, but the conversations that
have taken place here are just making me care less about the whole
situation."

I think that what is going on in these forums is far from
just `slagging off'. It is a criticism of the past behaviour of Ses
and St. James/St. Vedast, which by all accounts is –as I'm sure you'd
agree- pretty horrible.
I'm sorry that the testimonials up on this site have only served to
make you care less. I would ask whether this is because you find them
unbelievable? Or are we back to the old chestnut 'does the past
matter?'
I believe that the past does matter…

i90210i said:
"All organisations encounter some problems in its time, there is no
perfect organisation. You don't criticise a country for its past
attitudes on slaver do you? Every country has had its fair share of
slavery among its people but do we go round saying that England is
shit and all the criticize it, no because its all in the past, and
now look at England its no a bad place to be compared to other
places."

Well I think that to a certain extent countries are criticised for
what they have done, although yes, if problems are dealt with, people
may be willing to attempt to forgive. Forget? Perhaps not. The
holacaust still has a memorial day, one aim of which is to `provide
an opportunity to examine our nation's past and learn for the future.'
This comes from a lengthy statement of purpose that you can read
here:
http://www.holocaustmemorialday.gov.uk/2004/sections/aims/index.asp

Yes, England is not a bad place, but why is this? I would hazard that
it is our past that has made us the country we are, both the good and
bad- I would say that `we' are by no mean perfect and that we can
still learn from the mistakes of our past.
Slavery- most countries have looked at what was going on, seen how
wrong the mentality was that allowed it to go on and have made it
illegal. There has been active work against the systems that promoted
it.
I think one point of this forum and others, and something that has
come out of their existence, is the suggestion that St. James/Ses do
the same, and get rid of the skeletons in the cupboard, or I think
St. James will continue to `reap what they have sown' as it were.








i90210i said:
"Although these incidents were in the past, wouldn't it be nice
if a review of all the teachers were done by an independent
organisation to see if the teachers are fit to teach, hold on there
was one just this year in the boys school, and it seemed like it
passed it, correct me if I am wrong.
I am guessing there is going to be someone on here that's going to
argue that during inspections schools always put on a show, well why
don't we just interview selected students in every year of all the
schools and just obtain information about the teachers that way?
Just a suggestion to any of the governors of the school who may read
this."
i90210i also said:
"What I'm trying to say out of all the that stuff above, is that the
past is the past and well St. James has changed from what it was
before, and if you don't believe us then why don't you come and see?"

Well I think having the pupils reporting on the teachers is quite a
interesting prospect. I see there being two kinds of boys- some who
will never tell anyone for fear of incurring that teacher's wrath-
they will try to be brave about it and keep quiet. Others who are
keen to speak about being hung on coat-pegs will be keen to
exaggerate the truth, realising their position of power, (we have
seen the common-room attitude of `that's nothing, wait till you hear
what he did to me'!), so that eventually anything a pupil says will
be doubted.
If you were asked to judge a pupil's word against a teacher's who's
would you choose? Especially if he was only 7 or 8.

You say that the inspection is to see whether the teachers are fit to
teach. Well I'm not sure that this is the main aim, I think that it
judges the school as a whole. This is the report for any one that
wants to read it or check what it examines:
http://www.isinspect.org.uk/reports/2004/1096_04.htm
Therefore the head teacher must surely be the one to judge if a
teacher is fit to teach? But the head teacher at the boy's school has
been implicated just as strongly, if not more so than the other
teachers, in the various testimonials on this site and others.

?Mathew/Tom/someone? said:
""We shall continue to be angry about this and speak out PUBLICLY
against St James, St Vedast, the SES, and all of it's affiliated
organisations (including those that CONTINUE TO SUPPORT, SPONSOR AND
FUND IT), until some kind of justice is done."

i90210i replied:
Okay, well I'm sorry I didn't realise that that was their aim, if
that is their aim then they are doing a very poor job of it. When I
was at St. James I never received any letter (nor my parents),
seeing as I was a member of St. James and my parents paid my fees
and "supported, funded" the organisation. If you say your aims is to
speak publicly to those who fund the organisation then well your
failing quite badly.
Not only are they just complaining in privet in this forum, but they
haven't even tried to tell the main support of this evil
organisation, that is to say the parents of the students at these
schools."

Well, I must say, I don't think the school office ladies would be
very forthcoming if I walked in and-
a) asked for all the pupils addresses so I could send them letters
detailing facts which would count against the school, or
b) Gave them the letter to distribute to the children themselves!
And I cannot for the life of me think how else I would get such a
letter to all the pupils of St. James, although I'm open to
suggestions.
I would say that they/we/us are doing their best in using this forum,
which is, I would argue, public- anyone can become a member and
anyone can view the messages without even logging on.
But if you have a better idea of how to `spread the word' as it were,
do say.

i90210i continued:
"If these people that going to "…continue to be angry…" don't care
about the school at present then I would really feel sorry for their
children, think about it, if they don't care about other people but
themselves then whose to know they aren't just going to abuse their
children, if they that are against the organisation argue that they
wouldn't do that to their children then why don't they care about
other children that COULD BE under the abuse of the schools. What
I'm trying to say is that their aims, Gibble Gabble, can not just be
the ones that you have copied and pasted.

Don't get me wrong I am not for this organisation I just believe
that your aims are not very clear and you are going about getting
your aims occurring all wrong."

I don't quite follow you here i90210i! But I think this is because
you haven't managed to catch up on all the threads-
Most people are quite content that the abuse of boys by teachers at
St. James has stopped. There have been various statements from people
to support that fact -apart from evidence of the odd coat-peg episode-
but this was one of the first questions from the ex-pupils, they
were interested in the state of St. James/Ses now.
But I assure you that these people/I/we do care about present pupils.
There is more proof of this at www.forum.whyaretheydead.net where
there are some present pupils in the threads.
I think that with more proof of their caring natures they/we might be
less likely to abuse our children?!


Dan said:
"Tackling and exploring the past is way of ENSURING THAT THE FUTURE
IS BETTER, as well as educating everyone along the way."

i90210i replied:
"So Dan what are you doing to ensure that the future is brighter?
What are you all doing? All i have seen is you all complaining like
little children where the grown ups cant see you or hear you.
Is your aim to sue the schools/SES? If so what will it achive?"

I think that you'll find a lot of people are listening, (grown-ups
included), I am sure that there are a lot of people who just follow
this thread without comment, until they feel the need to post, or
just to watch its development. For example Katherine Watson and Mr.
Lacey.
Some ex-pupils are in talks with the establishment, so things are
happening, again this is detailed in posts mainly on the other
website.

Dan said:
"don't be afraid to speak up"

i90210i said:
"Please don't encourage more people to inform us of how they were
beaten to a poll, its kinda got boring now and well i think most of
us just skip the messages that are like this, i know i do. Like I
have said stop complaining about it if you are not going to do
anything that you actuly say."

I think you'll find that most people have sympathetic reactions to
the posts detailing the abuse. So `most of us' may be a bit of a
broad term. I would ask what you find so boring about them? Are they
acceptable in your view?
I hope I have helped to detail ways in which people are acting on
what they have said they wish to achieve.

i90210i said:
"Well, i could waste my time reading that long message or actuly do
somethign better with my time and just say this, that is if u have a
problem with the schools or SES then why dont you try to actuly
voice them in public then to just post shit up here?
I have no respect for any of you and frankly at the moment i guess
im please that you guys got abused, because you have pointless
lives, all you want is things for yourselves:
"we dont care about anyone else"
i think you should refrain from ever having children because you
would be fucking shit parents."

Well I think that you would do well to `waste' your time for a bit
and read up on the posts, as I feel that some of the statements you
are making are misinformed as you are not up to date with current
developments. Maybe if you read our messages you might have more
respect for us?
Again, I would say that this forum is about as public as we can get-
if you have any suggestions please say.
I can't find where the quote you have used comes from, as I think it
may be taken out of context- I know that people do care about the
state of the school now and the present pupils, I have tried to prove
this in my posting.
A question/thought came from reading you message- Do you think that
if someone is abused as child then it will affect the rest of his or
her life? Maybe it can affect their ability to love, have
relationships or nurture a child. If this is true, then I believe
that gives even more strength to the case of the ex-pupils. But what
is the effect on the teachers/parents carrying out the abuse?
You are obviously a great believer of the use of abuse to back up a
point of view! Although I do find the evidence for your statements a
little shaky.
Sorry the post was so long, I hope you made it to the end
Adrasteia