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Re: [Atheism UK] Moral case for war?

--- In atheismuk2@..., William Nolan
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> Hi all, bit of a first timer here in this newsgroup.
> I think that we do not have a morla argument for war. From my
perspective, we are attempting to liberate the ordinary populace of
Iraq. How are we attempting this? By launching missile salvoes into
their capital.
> America's current strategy is that of applying superior force on
strategic points. Does anyone think this sounds like a war of
attrition? It's the old addage "We're gonna go over there and teach
Johnny Foreigner who's boss". But, with the Iraqi forces actually
fighting back, the British and American forces were taken by
surprise. Members of the British forces currentoy stationed in Iraq
actually said they weren't expecting to fight, just to show up, shout
a lot and have all the enemy raise their hands.
> I have some interesting questions for everyone: What would happen
to the oil supplies should Saddam fall? Who would gain control, the
puppet government that would be put in place by the American's? What
if the (new) Iraqi government didn't want to sell oil? I think there
may be just a few more reasons for fighting than the moral obligation
we are forced to take.Do you think there is one?
>
> Larry

* I can't think of a moral position, unless this is the start of
removing undemocratic leaders all over the world. Clearly, the oil
supplies will fall under US control when Saddam falls. The puppet
government would clearly be directly appointed by the US to ensure
that US oil policy becomes world oil policy.

The 1973 (and subsequent) oil price hikes created inflation
throughout the world, but the US with its large indigenous supply was
less badly affected than her main competitor, Europe. The massive
rise in inflation also helped several right-wing governments take
power in Europe with promises of Monetarism and low inflation.

So what we see here is the only Superpower gaining control over the
economies of the rest of the world. I must say the future does not
look bright for France, Germany and Japan - all large oil importers.

Moral case? Only if your morals are that America should rule the
world and rich people should get richer.

Martin




Tue Mar 25, 2003 11:28 am

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Do you think there is one? Larry...
larryinlurex
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... In some cases, yes, but not this one. If the UN doesn't agree then they should accept it. It might be the French and Russians being difficult but the rules...
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Broadly, I'd agree with that but it isn't just Putin and Chirac who have been selling arms to Iraq...it has been practically everyone. When Saddam was...
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Hi all, bit of a first timer here in this newsgroup. I think that we do not have a morla argument for war. From my perspective, we are attempting to liberate...
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... perspective, we are attempting to liberate the ordinary populace of Iraq. How are we attempting this? By launching missile salvoes into their capital. ... ...
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... The real problem is with America's internal economy. I suppose it's a legacy of setting up a free market in the midst of a civil war, but unless there's a...
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... a ... too ... amount ... the ... war ... the ... American ... with a ... there ... bin ... has ... finishes, ... no ... * It's interesting that you mention...
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... While I don't normally bother with conspiracy theories, that does not surprise me in the least. The world of the oil tycoon is small and tightly woven, to...
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... not surprise me in the least. The world of the oil tycoon is small and tightly woven, to say the least. * That was slightly tongue in cheek on my part, I...
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... Perhaps if we get Saddam to invade us we can have that too?...
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... * Such cynicism in one so young :)...
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... I guess the US would "liberate" Saudi Arabia's oil, except that Saudi Arabia is capable of fighting back. Ditto Iran, and the other nations in the area are...
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... Saudi ... nations in the area are too small to bother with. * Nigeria has a lot of oil...so has Indonesia. ... * Iraqi troops against Nigeria...hmmm. ... I...
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... True. I guess Nigeria does have a history of sending oil workers home in crates... some of the locals tend to take issue with oil companies. Wonder why? ...
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... have a ... * Believe me, you would know. Really. Now where did I leave the matchsticks for my eyelids and the Rocket Fuel? Martin...
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