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It's not the individual who is required to carry out an "act of worship", but
the school. Indiviuals can opt out of the arrangements.


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I am writing on the off chance that anyone may be able to help me
with this.

I have looked into the requirements of the Human Rights Act re
Article 9 of the European Convention (freedom of thought, conscience
and religion) and I have come to the conclusion that section 70 of
the School Standards and Framework Act 1998 (requiring collective
worship) is incompatible with the Convention rights.

In order to enforce this through the courts it is necessary to bring
proceedings as a victim of the alleged breach within the past year,
ie a child who has been ordered by a public authority (ie LEA, school
etc.) to worship against their will.

I am going to contact organisations such as the BHA and NSS to see if
they can help with this and possibly finance a case. Any help anyone
can provide would be much appreciated!

Ross


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Wed Apr 9, 2003 8:17 am

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It's not the individual who is required to carry out an "act of worship", but the school. Indiviuals can opt out of the arrangements. ... I am writing on the...
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I hope it has changed since when I went to school but certainly it was very, very difficult to "opt out" of assembly then. Because, of course, we were...
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Thing is, it's up to the parents. If the parents feel strongly about it, they pull their child out of all religious stuff at school. If after that religion is...
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It is difficult, because most of the time children have difficulty expressing an opposing view because of peer pressure and intense pressure from their parents...
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Technically the parents can withdrawal their kids from religious education (a contradiction in terms?), assemblies etc - but many teachers (if they are...
Tim Sellers
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Apr 9, 2003
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The problem in this country is, as usual, history. In order to comprehensivise the schools, one of the compromises that were made with the Church schools that...
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School uniform is a good idea because it reduces truancy. The idea isn't Victorian; you're confusing it with freedom of expression. Daily religious assemblies...
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I was just using uniform as an example of the way chldren are forced to conform really, I didn't particularly want to invoke some Human Rights Act. I think it...
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Guess I agree with the school uniform. My daughter goes to an extremely good school (state comprehensive) where discipline is very tight. School uniform is...
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Sounds like a good school. I do wonder though - do you think that they are *able* to impose a rigid dress code *because* the children aren't brats and can be...
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Tis definitely a good school, and it tends to be parents who really WANT the kids to do well who send them there. So I think that maybe the kids do come from...
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<climbs onto moral high horse> I find it is generally a mistake to label entire groups of people, especially something like "cesspit brats". Evil begins when...
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That's right, and why has the Atheism UK group turned into a discussion about schools and discipline? I don't send my daughter to school (for various reasons...
Tim Sellers
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Well, no-one was writing about anything and there's nothing I can't stand more than a bunch of atheists who think all is well with the world. Furthermore, I...
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You missed the point - I agree with you about the "terrible conforming pressures on our children" - it was the guy going on about strict discipline being a...
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Martin, and all, If you climb onto on your <moral high horse> you should stay on it. You shouldn't climb down after you've said your piece. I, too, have a...
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... You ... * Do you really think so? I was going to let it pass but I think your attitude isn't really appropriate. If you hate Reading so much, you should...
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I appreciate that this thread has "gone of track", but here's my last (hopefully!!). ... You're perfectly right to disagree if you feel otherwise. As it...
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I'm glad you found being likened to a christian insulting! I put that because your previous comments made you sound like a bigot and I find religious people...
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The first bit came out wrong - I just mean that it's amusing that being likened to a christian is a big insult. Right, fundy bashing anyone .....? Actually,...
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Tim, and All, It's always good to bash the bible bashers, but it's strange you should say ... right at this particular moment. Although not christian, I'm...
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I know, I saw this and think it is an absolute disgrace. It is quite simply genital mutilation and nothing else. There is the perceived wisdom that when this...
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