Hello Alice,

There seemed to be some problems with the groups email delivery. I
got yours, but the email didn't show up on the email listed on the
group page, see
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/atheismuk2/

My reply to you (through the group email) also disappeared. So below
your original message is what I had replied before.

greets,
Peter

> I am online now!!
>
> I am online now!! Any one is online in this group? I want to know more
> friends here. Here is my photo:
> http://staff.maosongsoft.com/uploads/6030/62/3/120586159778.jpg
> Write an email to me if you don`t hate a lovely Muslim girl,
> lol...just
> a joke, I feel lonely now and want to talk to you!!
>
> my mailbox: spersheer@...<mailto:spersheer%40yahoo.com>
>
> Alice



> Hi Alice,
>
> A Muslim girl among an atheist group? You know that Islam doesn't look
> kindly on those who abandon the faith, don't you?! It carries a death
> sentence in some countries I believe.
>
> Anyway, welcome here. My name is Peter, I'm an ex-Catholic. The email
> volume of this group is modest, but still nice now and then.
>
> Actually, there is a bit I could mention while I'm writing anyway.
> Are you
> all familiar with Answers in Genesis, the Young Earth Creationist
> group in
> the US? They are the wackos who claim the earth is just over 6000
> years
> old, that it was fully coverd in water some 4350 years ago and that
> all
> animals includig T-Rex, used to be vegetarians before man sinned. T-
> Rex has
> these big teeth to crack open the coconuts it used to live on, they
> say.
> That organisation recently started a 'creation science' journal. Some
> scientists immediately put up an online challenge for people to get
> a spoof
> paper approved for publication in that journal. I'm a physicist,
> I'm in
> between jobs at the moment, so I have some time on my hands. So I
> wrote a
> paper full or rubbish, but in serious sounding scientific language and
> submitted it. They were unfortunately aware of the online challenge
> and
> therfore on heightened alert. They spotted it was bogus.
>
> While it was a pity that the effort failed, it did start a nice email
> exchange with the editor in chief of AiG, Andrew Snelling. Below I
> paste
> his latest reply to me. I had asked him abot how he managed to mix
> faith
> with science. His reply was full of religiosity, but preciously little
> about science. If anyone can spot three or more solid pieces of
> scientific
> reasoning in there, I'll buy you a beer!
>
> greets,
> Peter
>
> ----------------------------
>
> Theo,
>
> I haven't been ignoring you. On Sunday I flew from Brisbane via LA to
> Cincinnati. It then takes time to adjust!
>
> Thanks for sharing something of your own background and pilgrimage.
> I can
> sincerely understand why you are now where you are. Man's fallible and
> finite opinions and works are fraught with inconsistencies and
> failures.
> That's why it's not about what we think, but rather about who God
> is, and
> what He has done to rescue us. I suggest you read an article I
> wrote for
> ICR that was published last year on "Who is Jesus Christ?" It's
> available
> for download from their website at www.icr.org. To me that's the
> crux of
> the issues. If Jesus Christ was and is the Creator, and
> demonstrated that
> power in the miracles he did in front of witnesses, then the
> description in
> Genesis of His instant creation of all things over six literal days of
> human time is totally believable. If this is true, then all other
> views are
> false, which of course isn't palatable to many with their post-modern
> cultural thinking that there are no absolutes and truth is relative
> (which
> in themselves are absolutes! - which is inconsistent).
>
> History teaches us (most people ignore history and don't learn from
> it)
> that science flourished in "Christian" western Europe, because people
> believed in the Creator God of the Christian Bible who created a
> world of
> order in which he placed laws for its operation that we could
> discover. He
> wasn't a capricious god like that of other peoples, who could
> change the
> rules/laws of nature overnight, but instead was/is consistent and
> orderly.
> So if He can be trusted in those ways, He can also be trusted to
> communicate truthfully, as He has through the Bible.
>
> Anyway, enough of such "preaching". You've no doubt heard it all
> before! As
> for the response to Ritchie, it may still be on the Creation
> Ministries
> website at www.creationontheweb.org. As for fellow Christians who
> disagree
> with me, such as Wiens, their views are inconsistent with the heart
> of the
> Christian message they purport to believe, namely, Jesus Christ
> came to die
> for our sins, because man's rebellion against God brought death and
> suffering into the world, which was perfect when God created it. Hence
> there could have been no fossils (which are evidence of death) in the
> ground when God created Adam and Eve.
>
> Again, thanks for writing. I sincerely hope you find a suitable job.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew.
>



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