Greetings ,

I have always made my atheism clear to the faithful, not to have a full
blown discussion, as at the time the faithful will never concede to
reason. However I do feel that months or years to come the person (
faithful) may have an event happen in their lives or just start thinking
rationally, and the coments I made to these people may help them
question their religious beliefs. That is exactly how I realised there
could not be a god. I was never that religeous & certainly was not a
church goer, basically brought up as a christian, & I did think there
may be something in it. Over time, with a few events,discussions and
some reading, I realised in in my own time that it was all bollocks.
So in effect had atheists not discussed their lack of belief to me, I
may well ('god forbid' ( haha )) still have those beliefs and certainly
would not have been curious or interested enough to question myself .

Warwick


Peter Klaver wrote:
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> I'm going to disagree with a few bits. If you say that you've stopped
> seeing the debate as a sport then for you atheism may indeed not be
> very much anti anything. For me it is. I see the anti-rationality,
> anti-knowledge, anti-science, anti critical questioning, 'bubble of
> happy ignorance', 'don't question, take it on faith' mentality as
> damaging to the progress of mankinds thinking. It's something I'm
> happy to criticize strongly whenever the occasioon arises. I'm not
> just not religious, I'm anti-religous.
>
> And in the free market space of competing ideas, I think it can't
> hurt to voice ones atheism. A meme that has silcence as its highest
> good will be easily out-competed.
>
> I'll agree with you that my vocal anti-religious atheism doesn't say
> what I'm for, inly what I'm against.
>
> I'll also agree that many believers are utterly impervious to
> rational reasoning. They start of confidently that they can argue a
> firm basis for their belief. They invariably fail to do so. And then
> predictably decide to change the rules in mid-game, that rational
> reasoning is just so cold and not the important thing anyway and that
> having faith is much more important, and that as people who don't
> have faith, we just can't understand.
> But even when they are reason-icapable wastes of human brain tissue
> who will never cahnge their mind, it's still nice to point out to hem
> that they abdicated all claim to reason in the discussion. Ask yem is
> they ever openly proclaim their embrace of non-rationality in front
> of tehir friends, when the context is not about religion. "No of
> course not!' is the slightly angry response you're likely to get.
>
> greets,
> Peter
>
> > Why bother Kim?
> >
> > Atheism is not anti anything, it is a personal position. No credo,
> > no doctrine. You don't need to go full on with believers. You will
> > change nothing and I am not sure even if you should try. I just
> > don't want religion affecting my life in any way. But an
> > individuals right to have religion is just as important as mine not
> > to have.
> >
> > I used to find sport in the debate but now I don't waste my time.
> > Most believers I have met aren't debating, they are simply trying
> > to convert the non believer and save our souls.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > To: atheismuk2@...
> <mailto:atheismuk2%40yahoogroups.co.ukFrom>:
> > kim_northwood@...
> <mailto:kim_northwood%40hotmail.comDate>: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:19:42
> > +0000Subject: [Atheism UK] Anti-atheist sites.
> >
> > Does anybody know of any "good" christian discussion forums in
> > which atheists are regularly slagged off? I want to extract some
> > prime examples for a newsletter I edit. Thanks.Kim.
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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