Well chaps, if you want to go head to head with an irrational believer feel
free. I dont deny what I am, I simply just dont bother anymore. I dont think
that I have ever converted anyone. My realization of atheism was not induced by
someone I met. It was in me. I searched out truth and found it abundance. The
ones who do accept atheism as a fact as some kind of conversion (almost anyway)
are not the problem anyway. Its the extreme believers who are the problem. These
are the one who try to influence the public debate, legislation and politics.
The ones who dictate how we should live our individual lives. the ones who
cherry pick from the bible, choosing to hate homosexuals but ignore infanticide,
matricide, incest etc.. all noted as acceptable in the bible. Oh and genocide!
Not forgetting the mutilation of children's genitals which goes as we speak

These you will never convert. I can debate very well but just find it a waste
of time. And to be honest I am sick of crushing friends and dinner guests under
the weight of my argument and sheer force of character. I have in my time
embarrassed good people and destroyed there hope in my desire to show them the
truth. Some people just don't want to know and that is fine. I have no rights
over them as they have none over me.

I do of course get annoyed at the level of religious comment in the press but we
do live in a fairly secular society so I am quite content that I can be me, and
you can be you and usually with impunity.

Anyway.

Have fun with the God Squad







To: atheismuk2@...: warrickvarly@...: Wed, 15
Oct 2008 18:01:40 +0100Subject: Re: [Atheism UK] Anti-atheist sites.




Greetings ,I have always made my atheism clear to the faithful, not to have a
full blown discussion, as at the time the faithful will never concede to reason.
However I do feel that months or years to come the person ( faithful) may have
an event happen in their lives or just start thinking rationally, and the
coments I made to these people may help them question their religious beliefs.
That is exactly how I realised there could not be a god. I was never that
religeous & certainly was not a church goer, basically brought up as a
christian, & I did think there may be something in it. Over time, with a few
events,discussions and some reading, I realised in in my own time that it was
all bollocks.So in effect had atheists not discussed their lack of belief to me,
I may well ('god forbid' ( haha )) still have those beliefs and certainly would
not have been curious or interested enough to question myself .WarwickPeter
Klaver wrote:>> Hi Andy,>> I'm going to disagree with a few bits. If you say
that you've stopped> seeing the debate as a sport then for you atheism may
indeed not be> very much anti anything. For me it is. I see the
anti-rationality,> anti-knowledge, anti-science, anti critical questioning,
'bubble of> happy ignorance', 'don't question, take it on faith' mentality as>
damaging to the progress of mankinds thinking. It's something I'm> happy to
criticize strongly whenever the occasioon arises. I'm not> just not religious,
I'm anti-religous.>> And in the free market space of competing ideas, I think it
can't> hurt to voice ones atheism. A meme that has silcence as its highest> good
will be easily out-competed.>> I'll agree with you that my vocal anti-religious
atheism doesn't say> what I'm for, inly what I'm against.>> I'll also agree that
many believers are utterly impervious to> rational reasoning. They start of
confidently that they can argue a> firm basis for their belief. They invariably
fail to do so. And then> predictably decide to change the rules in mid-game,
that rational> reasoning is just so cold and not the important thing anyway and
that> having faith is much more important, and that as people who don't> have
faith, we just can't understand.> But even when they are reason-icapable wastes
of human brain tissue> who will never cahnge their mind, it's still nice to
point out to hem> that they abdicated all claim to reason in the discussion. Ask
yem is> they ever openly proclaim their embrace of non-rationality in front> of
tehir friends, when the context is not about religion. "No of> course not!' is
the slightly angry response you're likely to get.>> greets,> Peter>> > Why
bother Kim?> >> > Atheism is not anti anything, it is a personal position. No
credo,> > no doctrine. You don't need to go full on with believers. You will> >
change nothing and I am not sure even if you should try. I just> > don't want
religion affecting my life in any way. But an> > individuals right to have
religion is just as important as mine not> > to have.> >> > I used to find sport
in the debate but now I don't waste my time.> > Most believers I have met aren't
debating, they are simply trying> > to convert the non believer and save our
souls.> >> > Andy> >> > To: atheismuk2@... >
<mailto:atheismuk2%40yahoogroups.co.ukFrom>:> > kim_northwood@... >
<mailto:kim_northwood%40hotmail.comDate>: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:19:42> >
+0000Subject: [Atheism UK] Anti-atheist sites.> >> > Does anybody know of any
"good" christian discussion forums in> > which atheists are regularly slagged
off? I want to extract some> > prime examples for a newsletter I edit.
Thanks.Kim.> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> >> >>
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