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#67 From: "Cait Collins" <cait@...>
Date: Fri Sep 8, 2006 7:53 am
Subject: Re: Songs of Milarepa
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hi steve et al
you might also like to try a newer translation of 2 volumes of mila's
songs - 'miraculous journey' and drinking the mountain stream' translated by
lama kunga rinpoche and brian cutillo.  garma c chang was an early pioneer
in translation and his versions, while poetic, have errors which the more
recent works have corrected.  (i say this with great authority as though i
know it for myself - i don't, of course - it's just what others have told
me!)

i hope you are all well and happy.  we had the first meeting of the somerset
bbg yesterday - it went very well - lots of enthusiasm and good will.  and
there was some nice synchronicity - a full moon, and people meeting for the
first time and finding all sorts of connections with each other etc - as the
tibetans would say, good ten-drel.

love
cait

love
cait


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From: "Steve Fenner" <trogman5@...>
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Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: [bbgforum] Songs of Milarepa


Hi Margaret

Many thanks for your message about the songs of Milarepa.

The book is entitled The Hundred Thousand Songs of Milarepa and is
translated and annotated by Garma C C Chang. I got the book via Amazon,
it is one of those strange stores where they purchase the book on your
behalf. It was relatively expensive at £24ish, but if I had to go
on 'Desert Island Book' I can assure you that this book would be my
choice. It is filled with 675 pages of inspiring, exciting, beautiful
and thoughtful words.

Steve






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#20 From: "Sarah Patton" <house.mouse@...>
Date: Sun Jun 4, 2006 8:18 am
Subject: RE: Re: Discussion Topic
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Very interesting Sue, and I agree about taking the guilt of having an animal put down rather than watching them suffer, but in that role I see myself as a guardian rather than an equal…..if you see what I mean J

I have an Advanced Directive, or Living Will, which specifies my choices – I do not want any treatment to prolong my life if I am not going to recover. Personally, I don’t think I agree with taking a life (assisted suicide) BUT, until you’ve been there, you never know. My Dad was also on morphine and, although we knew what it would do, it wasn’t ever specifically highlighted by the hospice staff. I think we all accepted that they knew what they were doing and had the most incredible respect and love for him. He needed to be sedated because of the pain and increasing confusion but it still gave us the chance to be with him and share some very special moments. They also had a ‘do not resuscitate’ policy which they made clear when he was admitted.

 

Sarah

 

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Sent: 04 June 2006 07:29
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Subject: [bbgforum] Re: Discussion Topic

 

Hi all,

 

It was very interesting reading what Sarah had to say and I feel exactly the same way about having animals put down... but I would still do and suffer the guilt rather than let them suffer. 

And where does the use of Morphine fit in?

When Dad was dying last year we were offered Morphine on the understanding that it would shorten his life. He had been ill for 6 months and at that point he had no quality of life. He was blind, deaf, paralysed, confused, unable to eat and in pain. My sister was adamant that to shorten his life was wrong and so we didn't - after watching him suffer on and on until he finally died of pneumonia 2 weeks later, all I came away with was the question of motive. What were our motives in allowing him to struggle on and on? My sister insisted that there was always the hope that he would have one last lucid moment and at one point he whispered 'thank you lovely' to me. My sister leapt upon this a reason enough to go on but it just left me feeling cold - like he was a performing animal in a circus. I don't blame my sister because none of us knows how we will feel and for her it was the right thing. I'm just not sure it was right for Dad. Sitting with him at night after night and watching him struggle to breath through the fluid that was drowning him I wonder what I would have done if he had asked me to end his life...? I don't know.

I do know that everyone has a right to die peacefully and Dad died afraid and in pain.

 

 

 

 


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