On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 18:35, Richard Turnbull
<richardturnbull@...>wrote:

>  its now available to watch at
> http://www.itv.com/ITVPlayer/Programmes/default.html?ViewType=1&Filter=1293
> will sit down later to see it, thanks Fred
>

I like the cabbie complaining about having to pay for his fuel - so unfair!


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20mph sense

6:51pm Monday 16th November 2009

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The correspondent who was concerned about the effect of a 20mph speed
limit on busy motorists (The Argus, November 10) is mistaken in
thinking the benefits of a citywide limit would all be for cyclists.

In March 2008, Portsmouth adopted a speed limit of 20mph for
residential streets without the use of speed humps.

This decision was made by the community, not just the council.

Initial results announced at the Portsmouth – Britain’s First 20mph
City Conference were extremely positive. Total road casualties have
fallen by 15% and total accidents by 13%.

Groups who have particularly benefited are children under 15
travelling in vehicles (down by 22%) and the elderly (casualties aged
70 or over down by 31%). More data needs to be collected but this
pattern is reflected by other 20mph adopters such as Hull, where
child casualties have fallen by 74%.

Limits of 20mph make sense for all vulnerable road users and many
Brighton and Hove residents would very much like to see a 20mph limit
outside their front door.

Becky Reynolds, Bricycles, Havelock Road, Brighton



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Safer streets

6:56pm Monday 16th November 2009

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Nigel Davis and Christine Bell (Letters, November 10) are absolutely
right that we shouldn’t allow cyclists to dictate transport policy in
this city.

However, many communities and thousands of residents across the city
are deeply concerned about road safety on their streets.

Consequently, in the past couple of years alone there have been
nearly 100 calls from communities for action by councillors to reduce
the speed of traffic where they live. Surely the duty of a
responsible council is to listen and to do its best to respond.

The cross-party agreement by the council’s environment scrutiny
committee on Monday, November 9, to set up a panel that will take a
thorough look at this issue demonstrates it is doing just that.

This panel will look at what we can learn from the initiatives of
cities across the country, including Bristol and Portsmouth to name
just two.

These cities are successfully making their streets safer by setting
20mph speed limits on many residential roads. Crucially they are
doing this with the support of both communities and the police.

Of course all cities are different but we must take every opportunity
to learn what we can from best practice elsewhere.

The link between road safety and the speed of traffic is well
established. Making our streets safer for everybody, be they
pedestrians, cyclists or vehicle occupants, must surely be a priority
for us all.

With 141 people killed or seriously injured on the roads of this city
last year, tragically 13 of these children, doing nothing is not an
option.

Ian Davey Green Party councillor for St Peter’s and North Laine,
Green spokesman on transport



bug eye, hove says...
9:42pm Mon 16 Nov 09

you will find the link between safety and accidents is stupid people,
quite often cyclists and pedestrians. responsibility should be the
order of the day, if you are going to walk across the road without
looking you may get hit. equally if you are going to drive like a mad
man you may kill someone or kill yourself. education, not dictation.

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School chaos

6:59pm Monday 16th November 2009

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On Friday, while driving out of my road and passing the local infant/
junior school, I hit a child who appeared from behind another car.

There were dozens of cars everywhere. The parents present were
wonderful as were the teachers. Thankfully I was driving very slowly
and the little boy was not hurt but the shock will stay with me for a
long time and I suspect with the child as well.

The council, the schools or parents should put a stop to the car
chaos that occurs twice daily outside our schools before a child is
killed.

Any reasonable person can see that something must be done. Would
parking a few streets away be so awful? We campaign to stop child
abuse, child poverty and bullying etc so come on, let’s protect our
children by stopping the car chaos outside our schools.

Roberta Greed, Moyne Close, Hove




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its now available to watch at
http://www.itv.com/ITVPlayer/Programmes/default.html?ViewType=1&Filter=1293
will sit down later to see it, thanks Fred

Rich





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From: Richard Turnbull <richardturnbull@...>
To: brighton_area_cyclists@...
Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 13:29:53
Subject: Re: [brighton_area_cyclists] Tonight programme last night


looks like it should be up on their iplayer in the next couple of days...
http://www.itv. com/ITVPlayer/ Programmes/ default.html? ViewType= 1&Filter=
1293

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From: Tom Coady <tom.coady@gmail. com>
To: brighton_area_ cyclists@ yahoogroups. co.uk
Sent: Sat, 14 November, 2009 17:50:26
Subject: Re: [brighton_area_ cyclists] Tonight programme last night

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:00, Alan (Fred) Pipes <pipes@brighton. co.uk>wrote:

> Interesting and entertaining prog on ITV last night about who a panel
> would judge to be to blame in various cyclist v motorist encounters,
> in the context of the proposed 'motorist always to blame'

Missed it :(
http://www.itv. com/news/ tonight/episodes /driversinthedoc k/default. html

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It's a good idea but I do find that instructibles can overly complicate thigs!

You could always get these
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bar-End-LED-auto-shut-off-bike-lights-RRP-8-95_W0QQitemZ37\
0290231169QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_SportsLeisure_Cycling_Bike_Lights?hash=item56370\
48781



--- In brighton_area_cyclists@..., "Adam Pride" <adampride@...>
wrote:
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> Looks a bit complicated to make for what it is (speaking as someone with a
> lot of experience of PCB's, micro-processors, etc.) but I think a good idea
>
>
> http://www.instructables.com/id/Bar-End-Brake-Light-BEBL/
>
> Best Regards
> Adam Pride
> mailto:adampride@...
> www.bricycles.org.uk
> Bricycles: The Brighton, Hove and District Cycling Group
> www.brighton-hovecycleforum.org.uk
> The Brighton & Hove City Cycle Forum
> and please check out: www.carbusters.org
>
>
>
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Looks a bit complicated to make for what it is (speaking as someone with a
lot of experience of PCB's, micro-processors, etc.) but I think a good idea


http://www.instructables.com/id/Bar-End-Brake-Light-BEBL/

Best Regards
Adam Pride
mailto:adampride@...
www.bricycles.org.uk
Bricycles: The Brighton, Hove and District Cycling Group
www.brighton-hovecycleforum.org.uk
The Brighton & Hove City Cycle Forum
and please check out: www.carbusters.org



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For background to the programme see

http://www.itv.com/news/tonight/episodes/driversinthedock/default.html

and do note that instead of the RAC Foundation or another mainstream
motoring body, the page has a link to the ABD, a minority group that
has so few members it won't reveal its true number.

On 15 Nov 2009, at 13:29, Richard Turnbull wrote:

> looks like it should be up on their iplayer in the next couple of
> days...
> http://www.itv.com/ITVPlayer/Programmes/default.html?ViewType=1&Filter=1293
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> To: brighton_area_cyclists@...
> Sent: Sat, 14 November, 2009 17:50:26
> Subject: Re: [brighton_area_cyclists] Tonight programme last night
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:00, Alan (Fred) Pipes <pipes@brighton.
> co.uk>wrote:
>
>> Interesting and entertaining prog on ITV last night about who a panel
>> would judge to be to blame in various cyclist v motorist encounters,
>> in the context of the proposed 'motorist always to blame'
>
> Missed it :(
> http://www.itv. com/news/ tonight/episodes /driversinthedoc k/
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looks like it should be up on their iplayer in the next couple of days...
http://www.itv.com/ITVPlayer/Programmes/default.html?ViewType=1&Filter=1293





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From: Tom Coady <tom.coady@...>
To: brighton_area_cyclists@...
Sent: Sat, 14 November, 2009 17:50:26
Subject: Re: [brighton_area_cyclists] Tonight programme last night


On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:00, Alan (Fred) Pipes <pipes@brighton. co.uk>wrote:

> Interesting and entertaining prog on ITV last night about who a panel
> would judge to be to blame in various cyclist v motorist encounters,
> in the context of the proposed 'motorist always to blame'

Missed it :(
http://www.itv. com/news/ tonight/episodes /driversinthedoc k/default. html

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Joyce Edmond-Smith

--- On Sat, 14/11/09, Alan (Fred) Pipes <pipes@...> wrote:


From: Alan (Fred) Pipes <pipes@...>
Subject: [brighton_area_cyclists] Tonight programme last night
To: brighton_area_cyclists@...
Date: Saturday, 14 November, 2009, 11:00


 



Interesting and entertaining prog on ITV last night about who a panel
would judge to be to blame in various cyclist v motorist encounters,
in the context of the proposed 'motorist always to blame'
legislation! They also managed to get one of the Top Gear blokes on a
bike, who actually enjoyed the experience and has since bought one
(to put in the back of his Range Rover!). Also compared and
contrasted the UK cycling experience with the much better Dutch one...

fred

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fred@fredpipes. com
if I'm away, try: alan.pipes@gmail. com
www.fredpipes. com
blog: www.fredblog. co.uk
NUJ member since 1975











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On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:00, Alan (Fred) Pipes <pipes@...>wrote:

> Interesting and entertaining prog on ITV last night about who a panel
> would judge to be to blame in various cyclist v motorist encounters,
> in the context of the proposed 'motorist always to blame'


Missed it :(
http://www.itv.com/news/tonight/episodes/driversinthedock/default.html


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On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 14:11, Alan (Fred) Pipes <pipes@...>wrote:

> Green councillor Ian Davey said:
> “You just have to look at the railings outside the railway station
> everyday to see how it has taken off.”
>

I guess that's a metric of sorts, but it's more an annoyance than an
achievement.
In any case I suspect only a small proportion are "short-term"
I saw Southern staff have their own bolt cutters to deal with the overflow.


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Cycling in Brighton and Hove increases by a quarter

1:00pm Saturday 14th November 2009
By Tim Ridgway »

Cycling in Brighton and Hove has increased by more than a quarter in
the last three years.

The rise of 27% was revealed by the Government as it announced a
Ł270,000 boost to improving conditions for those on two wheels.

Brighton and Hove City Council received the grant as part of its
cycling town status.

Green councillor Ian Davey said: “There’s no doubt that there has
been a huge increase in cycle traffic in the past few years.

“You just have to look at the railings outside the railway station
everyday to see how it has taken off.”

Brighton and Hove has received Ł1.5million of Government money since
it became a cycle town in 2006.

The latest funding will be spent on travel plans for schools, work on
the seafront cycle route and improving cycle parking at Brighton
station.


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fred@...
if I'm away, try: alan.pipes@...
www.fredpipes.com
blog: www.fredblog.co.uk
NUJ member since 1975

Interesting and entertaining prog on ITV last night about who a panel
would judge to be to blame in various cyclist v motorist encounters,
in the context of the proposed 'motorist always to blame'
legislation! They also managed to get one of the Top Gear blokes on a
bike, who actually enjoyed the experience and has since bought one
(to put in the back of his Range Rover!). Also compared and
contrasted the UK cycling experience with the much better Dutch one...

fred

--
Alan (Fred) Pipes FRSA
fred@...
if I'm away, try: alan.pipes@...
www.fredpipes.com
blog: www.fredblog.co.uk
NUJ member since 1975

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 22:08, Mark
<mark.strong@...>wrote:

> One of the results of the research that has been done is that there is no
> clear proven link with drugs problems. Some thefts are indeed by addicts,
> but others are not (and there are definitely "professionals" out there). The
> article by Inspector Leet in the last Bricycles newsletter has some more
> details
>

Thanks Mark
I had a quick look at a couple on
http://www.bricycles.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=\
57but
failed to find any reference to Inspector Leet, but I've subscribed to
the RSS feed in case there's any more news.


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Hi guys

In case you didn't know, a local Cycle Theft Working Group has been working on
this for a couple of year. I sit on it on behalf of the the cycle forum and
there are also reps from the police, council etc.

The results are generally positive in that the level of thefts is not increasing
while the number of cyclists is. There's a lot more to it than that, of course.

One of the results of the research that has been done is that there is no clear
proven link with drugs problems. Some thefts are indeed by addicts, but others
are not (and there are definitely "professionals" out there). The article by
Inspector Leet in the last Bricycles newsletter has some more details

Mark Strong

--- In brighton_area_cyclists@..., Tom Coady <tom.coady@...>
wrote:
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> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 22:29, Paul Bonett <bonettpa@...> wrote:
>
> > I have been riding in Brighton since 1975 and have only lost one bike...I
> > did chase and retrieve a bike from a potential thief about 10 years ago.  I
> > ride daily to work and at work.  Lock it every time!
> >
>
> Thanks for the optimistic anecdote Paul, it's encouraging to know that it's
> possible to go 34 years with only one loss and one chase. I suspect neither
> of us represent  the average experience though, and even with the official
> statistics I assume the losses are under-reported particularly given the
> lacklustre response.
>
> Also thank for the locking tip, but I think this failed to work as a
> deterrent in my case, but I should confess I don't always deploy the most
> effective locks. Going back to anecdotal evidence, I think there are some
> areas where bikes are almost guaranteed to disappear overnight and others
> where it's possible to safely leave a bike for months or years. I don't know
> why this should be but assume there is a correlation with the number of
> people passing who need money to buy non-prescription medication. Assuming
> my theory's correct I guess it's just one of the many costs of prohibition?
>
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20mph limit is a needless restriction on motorists

4:56pm Monday 9th November 2009

I see there is an increasing clamour for a 20mph speed limit in
Brighton and Hove, principally from the highly vociferous cycling
group Bricycles, as if there are not enough restrictions on vehicles
in and around the city already.
How is this going to help? Traffic around the centre barely moves
faster than this anyway, with all the traffic “management” systems
and sheer popularity of driving.

It will be almost impossible to monitor as the 30mph limit is usually
quite adequate. Surely police have quite enough to do without this
extra burden.

For busy motorists, including tradesmen, delivery drivers and taxi
drivers, it would make their working day almost impossible, on top of
already draconian parking restrictions.

Bricycles are disappointed that only 3% of residents use bikes. Do
they really expect parents with small children, buggies and shopping
to give up their cars, let alone the elderly or anyone else carrying
anything more than a small rucksack ?

Laudable as cycling is, for most people it is completely impractical.

Bricycles sees the solution as “educating” councillors and the public
and, to this end, sees a 20mph limit as a big step in that direction.

When are they going to accept reality? For a great many people, a
vehicle is a necessity.

Of course, no one appreciates those who abuse either mode of
transport – the boy-racer or the cyclists who blatantly ignore the
Highway Code. But surely a lower limit is just a step too far in the
wrong direction?

Nigel Davis, Hollingdean Terrace, Brighton

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Cyclists must not dictate policy

4:57pm Monday 9th November 2009

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Cycling campaigners have called for a 20mph speed limit in the city.
Like most reasonable people, I have no argument with 20mph limits
around schools or residential areas where children play.

Cyclists, however, should not be allowed to dictate road policy in
Brighton and Hove.

A great deal of money been spent on this minority. The once-spacious
streets of Hove have been turned into winding single lane tracks to
accommodate cycle lanes.

People who cycle to work are quite often only “fair weather” cyclists
and are back in their cars at the first sign of rain.

While it is admirable some people do brave the elements and traffic
to cycle to work, they will always be a minority because, let’s face
it, most of us have no intention of ever cycling anywhere.

Christine Bell, Benett Drive, Hove



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if I'm away, try: alan.pipes@...
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On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 22:29, Paul Bonett <bonettpa@...> wrote:

> I have been riding in Brighton since 1975 and have only lost one bike...I
> did chase and retrieve a bike from a potential thief about 10 years ago.  I
> ride daily to work and at work.  Lock it every time!
>

Thanks for the optimistic anecdote Paul, it's encouraging to know that it's
possible to go 34 years with only one loss and one chase. I suspect neither
of us represent  the average experience though, and even with the official
statistics I assume the losses are under-reported particularly given the
lacklustre response.

Also thank for the locking tip, but I think this failed to work as a
deterrent in my case, but I should confess I don't always deploy the most
effective locks. Going back to anecdotal evidence, I think there are some
areas where bikes are almost guaranteed to disappear overnight and others
where it's possible to safely leave a bike for months or years. I don't know
why this should be but assume there is a correlation with the number of
people passing who need money to buy non-prescription medication. Assuming
my theory's correct I guess it's just one of the many costs of prohibition?


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I have been riding in Brighton since 1975 and have only lost one bike...I did
chase and retrieve a bike from a potential thief about 10 years ago.  I ride
daily to work and at work.  Lock it every time!

Paul Bonett
(fingers crossed now of course)
  www.brightonaikido.co.uk
Ittaikan Aikido Dojo
a sport, a process and a way of life...





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