Sign In
New User? Sign Up
british_galls · British Plant Gall Society
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
You can set the sort order of messages? Just click on the link in the date column. Your preferences will be remembered, so you don't have to do it again when you return.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
Oak gall - help please   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #129 of 816 |
Re: [british_galls] Oak gall - help please

Hello Karsten

I cannot recall if I have already had this conversation with you 12 months back but the records for N.quercusbaccarum in Surrey V17 in 2006 were very low indeed, even with targeted searches. I made a handfull of records of a gall I probably often forget to make a note of as it is usually so abundant. I will be interested to see if numbers increase this year.

Scotty

Karsten Schonrogge <ksc@...> wrote:
Hi there,

I agree - it is Andricus curvator and it looks like more than three although small galls.

Some people might remember that I send a message 12 month ago (or so) asking everyone whether they find galls like A. curvator, Neuroterus quercusbaccarum or N. numismalis in their area, because the whole guild of spring leave mining cynipid gallers appeared to have dropped out of the communities at two of the sites I am working at.

Asking people on the continent as well it appeared that the decrease in abundance in these species was pretty much a Europe wide affair. Thus I would like to ask everyone again this year to have a look out for the same set of species. At the two sites in southern England where we take formal density measures N. quercusbaccarum is still absent (from 1080 shoots inspected). N. numismalis is roughly where it was last year and A. curvator shows a small increase. Still, there are so few galls on the leaves this spring that I imagine parasitoid pressure could be quite high (which could explain why most but not all of the galls on Richards picture look small and under-developed).

Where would the parasitoid wasps come from? One possible source is Biorhiza pallida - as the leaf-galls disappeared last year, B. pallida had a great year, but has dropped back to more "normal" levels this spring.

Again I would be very interested to get a feeling at what geographical scale these changes might occur and would be interested in your observations. If you have formal density measures at any scale that would be great, but qualitative observations would also be helpful, since the density changes we observed last years was in orders of magnitude and not one or two galls.

Please look out for your oak galls... best wishes

Karsten

----------------------------------------------------------
Not everything that can be counted counts,
and not everything that counts can be counted.

==================================
Dr. Karsten Schonrogge
Associate Editor: Insect Conservation & Diversity
(http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/journal.asp?ref=1752-458X&site=1)
CEH Wallingford,
Maclean Building,
Benson Lane,
Crowmarsh Gifford,
Wallingford, Oxfordshire, OX10 8BB
M: +44 (0)7951 881468
T: +44 (0)1491 692410
F: +44 (0)1491 692424
==================================

>>> jaapiella@yahoo.co.uk 05/28/07 11:51 pm >>>
Hello Richard

Took a quick look, pics are a bit blurry or I am after a swift half, looks like a possible Andricus curvator.

S

rrogers12345 <qiop@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: Hello all,

I have just joined this group as I found a gall today that I cannot
id for certain. I have taken pictures of other galls but have been
able to work out their id until this one.

I have put a photo in a photo album called Richard, hopefully this
link will work:

http://uk.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/british_galls/photos/view/f9aa?
b=1

There are actually three galls there though it not easy to make them
out.

The only id I can come up with is the Ramshorn Gall (Andricus aries)
but they would have to be early ones befoe the horns have developed.

Any comment please.

Thanks

Richard





---------------------------------
Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today.

--
This message (and any attachments) is for the recipient only. NERC
is subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and the contents
of this email and any reply you make may be disclosed by NERC unless
it is exempt from release under the Act. Any material supplied to
NERC may be stored in an electronic records management system.



Yahoo! Messenger - with free PC-PC calling and photo sharing.

Tue May 29, 2007 6:02 pm

jaapiella
Online Now Online Now
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #129 of 816 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

Hello all, I have just joined this group as I found a gall today that I cannot id for certain. I have taken pictures of other galls but have been able to work...
rrogers12345
Offline Send Email
May 28, 2007
9:18 pm

Hello Richard Took a quick look, pics are a bit blurry or I am after a swift half, looks like a possible Andricus curvator. S rrogers12345 <qiop@...>...
Scotty Dodd
jaapiella
Online Now Send Email
May 28, 2007
10:52 pm

Hi there, I agree - it is Andricus curvator and it looks like more than three although small galls. Some people might remember that I send a message 12 month...
Karsten Schonrogge
andricusuk
Offline Send Email
May 29, 2007
7:46 am

Thank you Karsten, My local patch is the Attenborough Nature Reserve. I have not counted the number of oak there and would guess at 50-60 including saplings,...
R R
rrogers12345
Offline Send Email
May 29, 2007
11:46 am

Hello Karsten I cannot recall if I have already had this conversation with you 12 months back but the records for N.quercusbaccarum in Surrey V17 in 2006...
Scotty Dodd
jaapiella
Online Now Send Email
May 29, 2007
6:06 pm

Hello Richard, Your message came through as an email and I replied.... but it seems to have gone off-planet! So here goes again. Obviously Scotty and Karsten...
maggiefrankum
Offline Send Email
May 29, 2007
9:28 am

Thank you Maggie, I will purchase the recommended book. I thought I might get away wuth the FSC sheet on galls but that is quite superficial. Richard...
R R
rrogers12345
Offline Send Email
May 29, 2007
11:41 am

Hello all, 'British Plant Galls' arrived today! Quite appropriate as this weekend I found my first fungi induced gall on Rosa canina Dog Rose. My new book ...
R R
rrogers12345
Offline Send Email
Jun 4, 2007
6:58 pm

Hi Richard, P. mucronatum is far commoner, esp on R. canina, (P. tuberculatum is more often on cultivated spp) but you'd need to check details of the...
Malcolm Storey
bioimages2000
Offline Send Email
Jun 4, 2007
8:18 pm

Hello Richard and all In the event that you do not own a high powered microscope some members or organisations may be able to identify it for you. One...
Scotty Dodd
jaapiella
Online Now Send Email
Jun 4, 2007
9:58 pm

Thank you all for your interest. Maybe the id is academic but it links with a greater interest of mine - fungi (a subject which seems to become harder the more...
R R
rrogers12345
Offline Send Email
Jun 5, 2007
3:22 pm

Hello again. Success! Please see http://uk.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/british_galls/photos/view/f9aa?b=3 which look exactly the P. mucronatum drawing in the...
R R
rrogers12345
Offline Send Email
Jun 5, 2007
9:34 pm

Hi Richard, Who's got a Coolpix? ;o) Most rust aeciospores look very similar. The differences between those of these two species are very subtle. You'll need...
Malcolm Storey
bioimages2000
Offline Send Email
Jun 6, 2007
9:07 am

Hi Richard, You need a high-power microscope to tell the difference. P tuberculatum has spores with pores 4-5 microns and P mucronatum spores have pores half...
Carl Farmer
quercuscorticis
Offline Send Email
Jun 4, 2007
8:29 pm

... them ... Dear Richard You are most welcome to our country. I will arrage food and accomodation in my college. You and learn the cecidology Dr.P.Mehalingam ...
mehalingamp
Offline Send Email
May 29, 2007
9:34 am
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! UK. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help