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Re: [british_galls] FW: Help with identification please? [3 Attachments]

Dear Janet,
I've just seen your gall images, and catching up on the opinions of the wise.

I am certain that the gall on shoot image is of a sexual generation
NEuroterus quercusbaccarum.

I think the other galls on the bark are probably sexual generation
Trigonaspis megaptera. The more variable gall shape, and the cross
section, match illustrations of this species and my own limited
experience of finding them in continental Europe. I don't have a
photograph of this gall to compare Richard's with, though, or i'd post
it.

Would you put me in direct contact with Richard? I am compiling a set
of images for a big book on oak galls, and would love to ask him if we
could use a higher resolution version of this picture. Even better
would be to get a sample of the galls. Even if he doesn't have adults,
we can tell very quickly what the gall inducer is from a larva or
pupa, for sure!

Sincerely,

Graham Stone




Quoting Janet Boyd <janetboyd_entomologist@...>:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> I received this request last night - could someone identify the
> galls for Richard?
>
> Janet
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> I work for Forest Enterprise Scotland as their native woodland
>> ecologist. I was asked to identify a gall earlier this week and, despite
>> spending some time reading through Redfern et al, I could not
>> confidently identify it as the gall concerned was on the bark (on burrs
>> ) of oak trees as well as on the shoots. The wood is in Dunbartonshire
>> (just west of Glasgow) low elevation. I wonder if you would be good
>> enough to identify the species for me?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Richard Thompson
>>
>>
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Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:33 pm

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Hi, I received this request last night - could someone identify the galls for Richard? Janet ... ...
Janet Boyd
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Jun 12, 2009
8:59 am

Hi there, picture no.2 looks clearest in that the gall is attached - or has taken over - the development of a leave. Also picture 1, and the lack of a...
andricusuk
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Jun 12, 2009
9:15 am

Many thanks Karsten and Maggie - I just wasn't sure if Neuroterus quercusbaccarum affected bark as well as catkins and leaves. I have an unidentified slide of...
Janet Boyd
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Jun 12, 2009
7:36 pm

... Hi Jan, I'm only guessing, never having seen it, but would it be the sexual generation gall caused by the cynipid wasp Trigonaspis megaptera? Perhaps...
maggiefrankum
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Jun 12, 2009
9:19 am

... I should have waited! Thanks Karsten for your identification of the galls in Richard's photos and the clues to look out for. Experience is definitely...
maggiefrankum
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Jun 12, 2009
9:31 am

Ok now the daft question What the difference between Trigonapsis megaptera and Neuroterus quercusbaccarum when they are on bark? Robert ...
Robert
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Jun 12, 2009
8:01 pm

not a daft question. I was going on what I saw on the pictures 1 & 2. N. quercusbaccarum as far as I know is never attached to the bark. So i took picure 3 as...
Karsten Schonrogge
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Jun 12, 2009
8:30 pm

That is interesting - I suppose they could look as if they were attached to bark if there was a small twig protruding through moss. My photo could be that -...
Janet Boyd
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I just wanted to clarify my previous message. As far as cynipid galls are concerned and with the exception of an alien species, N. saliens, I know of no...
Karsten Schonrogge
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Jun 13, 2009
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Dear Janet, I've just seen your gall images, and catching up on the opinions of the wise. I am certain that the gall on shoot image is of a sexual generation ...
Graham Stone
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Jun 14, 2009
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Just trying to contact Richard for permission - he has sent an automated 'out of office' message at the moment. Janet ... ...
Janet Boyd
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Jun 15, 2009
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Thanks v much Janet! I have gone international with his image - we'll see what the gall experts in Hungary and Spain think those galls are! ... Graham Stone ...
Graham Stone
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Hi Graham, I'm still not getting any response from Richard. If you are still looking for a similar photo of Trigonaspis megaptera sexual galls, there is always...
Janet Boyd
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Dear Janet, Thankyou for remembering my request, and your offer of a hi resolution scan would be very welcome, thankyou! Regards, Graham ... -- The University...
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