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Re: [clairseach] Re: an experiment

Hi Ronan, I'm lost, can you elaborate on what you mean by this (what
music, what ms?)
> the music is indeed lost, (ie the manuscript's back pages)

Karen, interesting ideas there! I always play caniad san silin
starting on g, but an octave higher than you, so as to avoid retuning
the Bb and so as to put the modal centre on G. In this case I would
say that that bass chord with a 6th is an important part of the
"measure" of the piece. But it's an interesting idea to play the two
comhluighe at the same time one with each hand...

What would you think its musical effect would be, over the rather
easier option of striking it with one hand and giving the other a
breather?

> Perhaps there was Irish music similar to the music in the ap Huw ms

Certainly there was , back in medieval times

> Where is this music? Has it all been lost?

Yes - probably it was never written down, and it is so old, so may
well have been obsolete by 1650 or so...

Its possible that Burns March is as old as that, and it seems to
share many features with the Robert ap Huw stuff. (see MS29 p. 30 - 31)

The earliest notated Gaelic harp music we have is 17th century (see
www.earlygaelicharp.info/sources

Simon



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Hello all, I've been practicing the Caniad San Sillin, and I noticed something. Octave C's are often played in the bass, particularly at the ends of the...
Karen Loomis
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Oct 12, 2006
6:38 pm

... It is my understanding that the music is indeed lost, (ie the manuscript's back pages) I must admit I was wondering/hoping some might have survived, albeit...
Ronan O'Neill
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Oct 14, 2006
2:53 pm

Hi Ronan, I'm lost, can you elaborate on what you mean by this (what music, what ms?) ... Karen, interesting ideas there! I always play caniad san silin ...
Simon Chadwick
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Oct 14, 2006
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Hi Simon, Sorry to have "lost "you, but I probably got it all wrong in the first place! I was under the impression that in the index, there was a listing for...
Ronan ONeill
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Oct 14, 2006
6:07 pm

Oh I see, well the index of the Robert ap Huw ms was done in the 18th century and lists all the ms that survives now. There are also tune lists at the back by...
Simon Chadwick
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Oct 14, 2006
8:59 pm

I also remember that Robert indicated that he had written a second book, but that book is lost. Also, much of Robert was copied from a book by Pennelon (sp?)...
Edgar Peters
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Oct 16, 2006
12:44 pm

Thank you Simon and Ronan for your replies. It is a terrible shame that the music is lost. I hope you all understood that I was just trying to explore how the...
Karen Loomis
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Oct 15, 2006
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Hi Karen, ... Yes but that is what we are all here for, to scrabble around in the floor-sweepings and try to get a glimpse of what it was like!!! I'm intruiged...
Simon Chadwick
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Oct 15, 2006
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... I like the idea of exploring the possibilities of the Caomhluighe strings. ... I see what you mean. As a newcomer, I feel I'm in no position to suggest...
Karen Loomis
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Oct 16, 2006
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... I like to think it is "indecent" for the left hand to play below comhluighe But there. Rules are meant to be broken etc.... Simon...
Simon Chadwick
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