A chàirdean, A starting note on the word 'clàirseach'. 'Clàirseach' (standard Irish spelling) / 'clàrsach' (most common Scottish spelling), means 'harp',...
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Simon Chadwick
simonchadwick
Oct 30, 2005 10:41 am
Hi all, A question and an observation: To what extent did "cláirseach" really oust "cruit" in normal language? I have heard it asserted that "clairseach" is...
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Alasdair Codona
calumcille
Oct 31, 2005 12:21 am
Dear Simon, I'll divide my response up into two posts just in case they turn into different threads. ... "lever harp" because it is not exclusive to Ireland....
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Alasdair Codona
calumcille
Oct 31, 2005 1:14 am
Dear Simon, An c̣rr (the rest). ... language?< In Scotland, 'cruit' would be a higher register term for a harp: a bit like singing in English, 'indicate the...
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Simon Chadwick
simonchadwick
Oct 31, 2005 11:53 am
Oh it is so complicated - Is there a platonic ideal "The Gaelic Harp" against which any extant instrument falls short, whether my old beaten up student...
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jpatton@...
ramserpent
Oct 31, 2005 1:26 pm
Hi folks, Thanks Alasdair for inviting me on this list. If you wish I could post links on the wire harp list and on our local harp circle list...for any other...
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Alasdair Codona
calumcille
Oct 31, 2005 8:08 pm
Dear Simon, ... "de-Gaelicise" an instrument.< This is interesting question and you make a good point. What constitutes Gaelic music? What constitutes...
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Alasdair Codona
calumcille
Oct 31, 2005 8:16 pm
Dear JP, ... post links on the wire harp list and on our local harp circle list...for any other interested parties?< Tha mile failte romhat! Go raibh maith...
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Simon Chadwick
simonchadwick
Nov 1, 2005 9:33 am
Although Dow is already available as a printed copy from www.scottishmusiccentre.com this might be a good opportunity to get hold of Bowie. I wonder how...
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Simon Chadwick
simonchadwick
Nov 1, 2005 10:17 am
John-Paul, Are we sure that the Greeks took these correspondances seriously, or is it just philosophers making abstract points that would not have been ...
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Simon Chadwick
simonchadwick
Nov 1, 2005 10:18 am
Hence my interest in qualifying it as "Early" - just to make the point that it is precicely the historical tradition that is being revived, and allowing more...
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Alasdair Codona
calumcille
Nov 1, 2005 11:22 am
Dear Simon, ... Yes, that's what happens when you try to reclaim your history from the myth. A proper view of the central role of the original instrument does...
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Janet Kurnick
janet_kurnick
Nov 1, 2005 3:30 pm
Do they really have this Bowie collection? I couldn't find it on their website. The Dow copy has older stuff? - Janet...
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Jacqueline Lynaugh
bluefairysto...
Nov 1, 2005 5:16 pm
Hi Guys, So good to see the first conversation on this new list. So, when we are talking Gael, are we refering to everything from the first Austio-Bavarian...
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ckeithcollins
Nov 1, 2005 8:38 pm
Hi gang! This should be fun! I have several things to bring up eventually, but for now I'll do my best not to wander too far afield and stick to the thread...
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Alasdair Codona
calumcille
Nov 1, 2005 9:37 pm
Dear JP and Simon, ... or is it just philosophers making abstract points that would not have been recognised by musicians? I think this might be similar to the...
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Alasdair Codona
calumcille
Nov 1, 2005 10:04 pm
Dear Jacqueline, ... Gaelic culture pertains essentially to Ireland, Scotland, Cape Breton Island and the Isle of Man. Wales, a part of Patagonia, Brittany and...
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Simon Chadwick
simonchadwick
Nov 2, 2005 9:27 am
Janet, they are on this page: http://www.scotlandsmusic.com/digital-music-books.htm My summary info on bith is at http://www.earlygaelicharp.info/sources They...
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Simon Chadwick
simonchadwick
Nov 2, 2005 9:59 am
Lots of interesting splinter threads could come off here Jacqueline...! On the "first Austio-Bavarian cradle trek Southwards and/or west" that is just a...
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Simon Chadwick
simonchadwick
Nov 2, 2005 10:39 am
Sorry Alasdair, missed this one in the rush. ... It's a usage from western classical music, at least in England, probably also much of the rest of the English...
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Alasdair Codona
calumcille
Nov 2, 2005 1:32 pm
Simon, So there we go, as with most words, there isn't even a single definition of 'early' in the living language. I know of your usage, Simon, but it's too...
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Niamh Tumelty
niamhtumelty
Nov 2, 2005 2:40 pm
John-Paul, thank you for letting us know about this group, I'm really looking forward to a continuation of the debates that have been taking place on the...
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ckeithcollins
Nov 2, 2005 5:20 pm
Simon brings up some good points to which I can add: While I agree that TOS confuses appearance of evidence with evidence of appearance, we don't have anything...
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Alasdair Codona
calumcille
Nov 3, 2005 10:38 am
Dear Janet, ... It's good to see these collections in print. Taigh nan Teud again. The Dow collection is, together with the Torloisk MSS, a major source of...
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Simon Chadwick
simonchadwick
Nov 3, 2005 2:14 pm
Alasdair, enlighten us poor anglophones too lazy to check Collette's index of the Bunting mss, what other names does Staca an Mhargai have, and might any of us...
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Jacqueline Lynaugh
bluefairysto...
Nov 3, 2005 5:18 pm
I just love the sources that are listed here. Thank you for facing the Ocean and the Dow info. I have a semantic general question of understanding I have been...
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Simon Chadwick
simonchadwick
Nov 4, 2005 11:10 am
Jacqueline, these are dangerous questions and I was hoping someone else would burn their fingers trying to say something about them but they're obviously...
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Alasdair Codona
calumcille
Nov 4, 2005 4:11 pm
Dear Simon, Stáca an Mhargaidh is rendered in English as 'the Market Stake' by Bunting on p69 of his second published volume. 'Stake' here seems to be no...
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Jacqueline Lynaugh
bluefairysto...
Nov 4, 2005 8:48 pm
Ok so with the Dow and Bowie collections. What did you guys get; cd or email download and how did it work?Did it go smoothly? I haven't bought any of those...
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Peter Wilson
harpharpharp
Nov 5, 2005 6:03 pm
Anyone know if music from the Robert ap Huw MSS is or will be available in modern staff notation? Peter Wilson...
