cuzners_in_their_genes_ : Message: Re: [cuzners_in_their_genes_] kind of weird ......got a ton of hits but should not have happened

Hi Renee,

Many of the names and locations you mention are from the line that I come out of as do new members Carol and Ric. Thomas and Maria Exton Cuzner came to New York in about 1832. Thomas set up shop in Brooklyn as a Silk Merchant. His eldest son Henry came over shortly after and moved north of New York to Connecticut, About half way between New York and Boston. Thomas and Maria had another son, Thomas, who stayed in London with his family and died there in 1847. But his wife, Mary Ann then came across to New York. Mary Ann seems to have stayed in New York City, but her children moved back and forth between Brooklyn and some of the communities along the Hudson River. William and his family are the ones in Rensselaer, but he is buried with most of his siblings in a family plot in Cortlandt/Peekskill. Mary Ann's youngest son became a machinist and moved around a bit. He seems to have left New York for work in New Jersey where he married his wife, Sarah Robinson. They joined the family in Peekskill where their first son was born, then back to New Jersey and New York where their other children were born. Then they moved to Ohio.

All of this is covered in my tree: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=cuzner-greenland&id=I00062

There seems to be another cluster in Massachusetts that doesn't appear to belone to this line. I haven't spent much time on it yet. Another line seems to have came to Canada, moved on to Wisconsin, and then on to California. The California branch was a very powerful lumber and banking family.

Regarding the DNA, I don't know how the Mormans could copyright DNA. You can't copyright facts. The only thing you can possibly copyright is a unique way of presenting those facts. For example, if you had a list of Cuzners arranged in alphabetical order, you couldn't copyright that. But if you arranged them in some unique way, say alphabetical by the saint day closest to their birth date, you could. But even so, you wouldn't own the copyright to the names on the list, only the ordering. So, if the LDS have a new and unique way of establishing markers, naming markers, etc. they could copyright that and thus the representation of your DNA by their proprietary naming, but the sequence of gtca that is you is a fact and can't be copyrighted. You could send your DNA to another lab and get a different proprietary set of marker names or commonly used ones and that would be fine.

But if the LDS Church is doing that, it does seem rather nasty and below what a church should be doing.

NOTE: I'm not a intellectual property lawyer and the above should not be used for legal guidance. This is my own personal opinion based on facts I have learned dealing with intellectual property personally and professionally.

--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Ms Renee Mee <renee_mee@...> wrote:

From: Ms Renee Mee <renee_mee@...>
Subject: [cuzners_in_their_genes_] kind of weird ......got a ton of hits but should not have happened
To: cuzners_in_their_genes_@...
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 1:01 PM

after I sent out the last messages, I noticed that I had one extra variable in my search criteria that I had not noticed and that was Jewish. I guess because I had been looking in the new Jewish database, it had automatically put me in it and autofilled it. So the searches I had previously had done had been Cuzner,Alsace and Jewish. So I changed the variables to just Cuzner,Alsace and it seemed I then was turned on to the 1930 US Census. There was a ton of Cuzners in there. So many James,Janes and Graces. They sure like those family names. Oh, some Marys too. Alot in California, Mass. and some place called Rensselaer,New York. Several other places but those names come up frequently. I do not know the States very well and had to look several times to spell the place in New York which I had never heard of before. Imagine spelling that when you have had a glass of wine or two. Gee, how do you even say it.

Btw, good book for anyone interested in beginners DNA and genealogy. Trace Your Roots With DNA Using Genetic Tests to Explore Your Family Tree by Megan Smolenyak with Ann Turner. She is the lead researcher for the PBS series Ancestors series and contributing editor for Heritage Quest magazine and author of several other genealogy books. She is also on some Brit show that is all the rage where celebrities do their DNA and trace their ancestry. I have managed to pick up sometimes on BBC. It is very good. Her co writer Ann Turner has a DNA-genealogy site on rootsweb.

I am really hoping that one day when we get enough people interested we can contact one of the agencies and pool our resources and do a surname kit. I do not mind putting in extra money for those who cannot put in their share as long as they dont mind submitting their DNA. I would like to find one though where we can just submit DNA as anony numbers like National Geographic does. I love the technology and how we can find out more information for our research but do not want our information individually out there for some Big Brother Agency to possess. The Company that The Latter Day Saints owns has been offering free kits however they will copyright your DNA and own it. There is no such thing as a free ride. I would rather pay through the nose then let some own my DNA. I was quite shocked that they were going to possess peoples DNA. I belong to a DNA email list and there is was quite a battle going on the little re the ethics. Some felt it was
quite okay since the Mormons were giving free tests so it was quid pro. I was in the nay group. However, I also think it is buyer beware. If people are stupid enough to not educate themselves on the risks then they deserve what happens to them. So if we ever decide to do a study, we must educate ourselves very well and make educated decisions. One is anonymity and one no one owns our DNA. I know I sound paranoid but having been a government employee for much of my working life, I think that gives me a certain credibility to be paranoid. One must never invite Big Brother in your home unnecessarily.

Well, rant over for now. I do hope I have not turned off anyone from DNA kits. Because it can be an incredible tool . I have been on my list for years and have heard incredible stories and people finding out incredible discoveries. Who knows we might all be related. Would not that be scary!!! Perhaps we might be having that reunion in Frome sooner than we think. One thing I would really like to gleam from the DNA is the origin of our name. Unfortunately, I cannot do that from my DNA. My DNA will only trace my maternal line. So I really need someone else to do it. Any volunteers?

Renee

Researching Carvell,Collins, Crisp,Greenwood, Cuzner,Mee, Pickford, Raison http://members. shaw.ca/meecuzne r/index.html
http://uk.groups. yahoo.com/ group/cuzners_ in_their_ genes_/
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/genealogyw hoMEE/
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/COLLINSroo tsSearch/
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Carvell_ Genealogy_ Surname_Data_ Share/

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