My FTM software says that we are third cousins, but perhaps I've lost a generation in there somewhere. But relatively close anyway.
Steve
--- On Sun, 4/19/09, Ric <rnranimals@...> wrote:
From: Ric <rnranimals@...> Subject: [cuzners_in_their_genes_] New to the Group To: cuzners_in_their_genes_@... Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 4:44 PM
Just a quick introduction.
I'm Richard (Ric) Payne Jr.
Great Grandson of George John CUZNER England/Ohio USA thru his daughter Mary Ann CUZNER.
So if I have this right Steve is my Second Cousin once removed.
I have a lot to learn here and will have many many questions as time allows.
This was a very heavily walled area of my genealogy as my Father was raised in an orphange here in OH.
Only recently have I unearthed the CUZNER line.
So sorry to hear about your mother. Feel free to contact me off group if you like. I am glad to hear from you again.
Here's what I have:
Mary Ann Tanner Pepperrell Cuzner is buried at Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn. I went there last Friday. The headstone had become unstable years ago and was laid down by the cemetery. When I got there there the only bit of the stone visible was about the size of a salad plate. I dug it out (feeling a bit like a grave robber) and was able to read only the very top:
Our Mother Mary Ann Cuzn?r
It looked like there were some dates, but they were so far gone I have no idea.
For what its worth, I have a photo I can post. I'm going to head back
there in the summer and hopefully a few rains will have cleaned the
stone a bit more and I'll be able to read more.
If you got to the greenwood web site and search, you can find the record and it lists either her death or burial as 13 Jan 1874. I've also found a probate record with her and her son Alban for Jan 1874 (need to pull the file, only an index for now). I should get the burial transcript from Greenwood in the next week or two.
I'm still puzzled by her name. On George's death certificate she is listed as Mary Ann Tanner. In a Genealogy for the Whitney Family that I found on Ancestry she is listed as Mary Ann Pepperrell. On George's birth certificate she is listed as Mary Ann Peperell. And I've found a marriage record in 1842 between Thomas Cuzner and Mary Ann Tanner Peperell. Of note here is that her first 4 children are born before 1842, but they have christening records and are not listed as bastards.
I got some had written notes from another distand cousin, who comes down from Louisa,
that Louisa's daughter-in-law wrote that give some interesting details. It seems that Mary Ann was a nurse in the civil war. I've also found directory listings for her as a nurse as early as 1854.
The 10 graves I found in Cortlandt were all for this family. Siblings William, Louisa, and Mary were there along with their spouses plus three daughters of Mary, one of their spouses, and one of Mary's grandchildren. I've posted most of them to findagrave.com if you want to look there.
I've also found Alban's grave on findagrave.com, but the person who entered it used Cuznor so you have to look a bit for it. He is in Gibson Cemetery in Florida, outside Jacksonville.
I've alway wondered why Charlotte didn't sho up in the 1850 census. The notes from Carol, the cousin I mentioned above, list her as being on the boat and I see a directory listing in 1857 with Mary and Charlotte living together. In 1857 she married George Mattson.
I
have no idea who William Ellis is from the 1850 census. He obviously isn't a son since he was born in New York and George, who is younger was born in England. Perhaps she simply took in a child. Another possibility is that he is a nephew of some sort. I've found that Mary's father-in-law, Thomas G Cuzner had come to New York in the 1830's and he worked as a Silk Merchant. If you look at that 1850 census you see that Mary's daughter Mary was working in a silk factory, so perhaps she was working for grandpa. Thomas G Cuzner came over with his daughters and wife, so perhaps Mary was helping out the extended family. I've been meaning to track on that name in conjunction with the first names of the daughters of Thomas G, but haven't gotten there yet. I do know that Thomas G's oldest daughter Charlotte married John Corday, so she is eliminated. That leaves Sophia, Susan, and Mary Jane.
I'm very close to getting a full descendant tree for Thomas G
Cuzner and Maria Exton and hope to throw it over the wall soon.
Steve
--- On Sun, 4/19/09, Ric <rnranimals@...> wrote:
From: Ric <rnranimals@...> Subject: [cuzners_in_their_genes_] Re: New Cuzner graves on findagrave.com To: cuzners_in_their_genes_@... Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 4:31 PM
Steve Thanks for the info!
It really fills in some blanks.
(Sorry about disappearing on you.
With my Mother's death last year and getting all that stuff in order..
I'll Email you privately if that's OK. )
Am I correct then that Mary Ann CUZNER is Mary Ann Tanner Peperell?
Were you able to get photos of the graves?
Any idea who William ELLIS in the 1850 NY Census would be?
And why no mention of Charlotte there?
Just a quick introduction.
I'm Richard (Ric) Payne Jr.
Great Grandson of George John CUZNER England/Ohio USA thru his daughter Mary Ann
CUZNER.
So if I have this right Steve is my Second Cousin once removed.
I have a lot to learn here and will have many many questions as time allows.
This was a very heavily walled area of my genealogy as my Father was raised in
an orphange here in OH.
Only recently have I unearthed the CUZNER line.
Ric
Steve Thanks for the info!
It really fills in some blanks.
(Sorry about disappearing on you.
With my Mother's death last year and getting all that stuff in order..
I'll Email you privately if that's OK. )
Am I correct then that Mary Ann CUZNER is Mary Ann Tanner Peperell?
Were you able to get photos of the graves?
Any idea who William ELLIS in the 1850 NY Census would be?
And why no mention of Charlotte there?
Ric
Hi all,
I went on a trip with my son this past week. In addition to going to the top of
the Empire State Building and the American Museum of Natural History (he's 8 so
that's his speed) we visited a few cemeteries and found a few Cuzners:
Mary Ann Cuzner Knapp
Louisa Sophia Cuzner Van Horn
William Arthur Cuzner
These three siblings were in a plot purchased by their brother, Dr. Alban Thomas
Cuzner in 1881. Alban moved to Florida probably to study plants for medicinal
purposes a few years later and is burried there (in findagrave.com he is listed
as A. T. Cuznor).
There were two other siblings, Charlotte who seems to have died in New York in
1884, grave yet to be found, and George (my 2 great grandfather) who moved west
to Ohio and died there.
These 6 siblings were the children of Thomas Cuzner and Mary Ann Tanner Cuzner.
Thomas died in London in 1848 and Mary Ann died in New York in 1874. I found
Mary Ann's grave at the Green-Wood Cemetery in Brooklyn. Her monument had fallen
and was almost covered in earth.
Steve
Thanks for the info. I had found James and was leaning that way based on occupations (All of Stephen's children become shoemakers, where some of James' become shoemakers and some take on other occupations).
I'm just not sure of his mother. I've found a marriage listing for James and Jane in FSJ on 3 Nov 1814 which is after Henry was to have been born. But in the register he is listed as a Widower, so it is very possible that Henry brought children to his marriage to Jane.
Then next question is are James and Stephen brothers and who are their parents? There is another Cuzner of about the same age, Thomas Cuzner who married Maria Exton in 1806. Thomas is listed as being from Standerwick which is close to Beckington. Could Thomas be another sibling?
Steve
--- On Fri, 4/17/09, Martha Mitchell
<martha_a_mitchell@...> wrote:
From: Martha Mitchell <martha_a_mitchell@...> Subject: Re: [cuzners_in_their_genes_] Re: Cuzners from Beckington To: cuzners_in_their_genes_@... Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 9:03 AM
After going through my papers the other night, I remembered that I've kept most of my emails regarding the Cuzners, and received the following information from England in 2000, which may be helpful to you. In my papers I have a copy of an affidavit written in Edmund's hand listing his parents, brothers and sisters and his work history in England and America, from Harry Cuzner who was living in CA at the time.
Pat and I had hoped to meet on my trip, but it didn't work out. We've not been in touch and I'm so sorry for that. Family research has taken a back seat for me for the last five years.
Again, I hope this
helps. Martha
Pat St-Leger-Harris <Stlegers@btinternet .com> > > wrote: > > > Yes, They certainly do connect! The Henry - > child > > > of James and Jane is my > > > husband's great great grandfather. > > > I have a birth date for James of about 1781- > his > > > age was rounded to 60 > > > in the 1841 census. He died before 1861 - > possibly > > > 23/2/1857 as mentioned > > > in the Beckinton Baptist Church Book. He was a > > > shoemaker. Jane was
born > > > circa 1791 - age rounded to 45 in 1841 and > stated as > > > age 70 in 1861. Born > > > in Frome, Somerset and described as a shoe > binder. > > > In 1861 she was living > > > at 5 Bath Road, Beckington with her daughter > Martha > > > age 30,unmarried , > > > dressmaker and a boarder Frank CUZNER age 12 > > > scholar.(I think this is the > > > son of Charles) she died in the Sept. quarter > of > > > 1863 in Frome. > > > > > > I have a family with Stephen CUZNER as head and > I > > > believe Stephen to be > > > James's brother - he was 81 in 1861 and a > shoemaker > > > born in Beckington but > > > this has not been checked. F rom the gravestone > at > > > Beckington he died > > >
March 10 1864 Aged 64. He has a son David (wife > > > Elizabeth), Daniel and > > > grandsons George and Daniel with him in 1861. > There > > > are also the pupils of > > > the commercial boarding school of which Daniel > is > > > principal and David and > > > his wife Elizabeth are schoolmasters. David's > son > > > George and daughter > > > Alice go on to be music masters. David died Feb > 10 > > > 1864 Aged 62 and > > > Elizabeth died Oct 26 1905 aged 81. Also taken > from > > > grave. Daniel also > > > has a gravestone and Alice is buried with him > > > altough she died in Catford, > > > London. > > > > > > I have 6 children for James and Jane -
which > ties in > > > with Edmund's > > > statement -Henry the eldest known born 1808/1809 > > > (age 42 in 1851) born > > > Beckington who married Harriet ABBOTT > > > 13/9/1831. He was a master carpenter and died > > > 8/2/1861 leaving a will. > > > Harriet died Dec. quarter 1857. Charles next, > then > > > an Edwin (which is > > > probably your Edmund - age rounded to 15 in > 1841), > > > then Edward (again age > > > rounded to 15 in 1841) and Martha and last Mary > Jane > > > (both these were > > > stated as being 9 in the 1841 census) It is > > > interesting that your Edmund > > > states that he is the youngest son. Edward was > > > still at home with mum
in > > > 1851 - so I will swap the boys around in order! > I > > > must go and check some > > > of the handwriting again at the record > office.I'm > > > not sure where Jesse and > > > Frederick fit in so I will look at this too. > > > > > > My Henry had 9 known children - Harriett, Felix, > > > William, Alfred, > > > Susan,Ezit,Tom, Elizabeth and Philip Henry. I > have > > > more on Harriett who > > > married Jabez Eames and was my husbands great > > > grandmother and also on > > > Felix's family. Let me know if any is of > interest > > > to you. Please send > > > details of your great grandmother - is this > Martha > > > or Mary Jane? and her > > >
descendants so I can extend my tree. I will try > to > > > learn how to send my > > > family tree by e mail but it could take some > time! > > > > > > I should like to maybe contact the gentleman in > CA > > > if you have an address. > > > > > > Thanks for the fascinating information. > > > >
--- On Thu, 4/2/09, veganfiddler <veganfiddler@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: veganfiddler <veganfiddler@ gmail.com> Subject: [cuzners_in_ their_genes_ ] Re: Cuzners from Beckington To: cuzners_in_their_ genes_@yahoogrou ps.co.uk Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 9:01 AM
--- In cuzners_in_their_ genes_@yahoogrou ps.co.uk, "stevecuzner" <stevecuzner@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> If anyone out there has been researching or has information about the Cuzner's who lived in Beckington in the 1800s, I have a question about Henry Cuzner who married Harriett Abbott. He shows up in the 1841 and 1851 census as a carpenter living in Beckington. He seems to have been born between 1808 and 1811 depending on what source you look at. He is the right age to be a child of Stephen Cuzner who was a shoemaker in Beckington. David and Daniel, sons of Stephen, are those Cuzners associated with the tech school in Beckington.
>
> If anyone know if Henry was a child of Stephen or know or has a guess at other possible parents, I'd appreciate any help you can provide.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
After going through my papers the other night, I remembered that I've kept most of my emails regarding the Cuzners, and received the following information from England in 2000, which may be helpful to you. In my papers I have a copy of an affidavit written in Edmund's hand listing his parents, brothers and sisters and his work history in England and America, from Harry Cuzner who was living in CA at the time.
Pat and I had hoped to meet on my trip, but it didn't work out. We've not been in touch and I'm so sorry for that. Family research has taken a back seat for me for the last five years.
Again, I hope this helps. Martha
Pat St-Leger-Harris <Stlegers@...> > > wrote: > > > Yes, They certainly do connect! The Henry - > child > > > of James and Jane is my > > > husband's great great grandfather. > > > I have a birth date for James of about 1781- > his > > > age was rounded to 60 > > > in the 1841 census. He died before 1861 - > possibly > > > 23/2/1857 as mentioned > > > in the Beckinton Baptist Church Book. He was a > > > shoemaker. Jane was
born > > > circa 1791 - age rounded to 45 in 1841 and > stated as > > > age 70 in 1861. Born > > > in Frome, Somerset and described as a shoe > binder. > > > In 1861 she was living > > > at 5 Bath Road, Beckington with her daughter > Martha > > > age 30,unmarried , > > > dressmaker and a boarder Frank CUZNER age 12 > > > scholar.(I think this is the > > > son of Charles) she died in the Sept. quarter > of > > > 1863 in Frome. > > > > > > I have a family with Stephen CUZNER as head and > I > > > believe Stephen to be > > > James's brother - he was 81 in 1861 and a > shoemaker > > > born in Beckington but > > > this has not been checked. F rom the gravestone > at > > > Beckington he died > > >
March 10 1864 Aged 64. He has a son David (wife > > > Elizabeth), Daniel and > > > grandsons George and Daniel with him in 1861. > There > > > are also the pupils of > > > the commercial boarding school of which Daniel > is > > > principal and David and > > > his wife Elizabeth are schoolmasters. David's > son > > > George and daughter > > > Alice go on to be music masters. David died Feb > 10 > > > 1864 Aged 62 and > > > Elizabeth died Oct 26 1905 aged 81. Also taken > from > > > grave. Daniel also > > > has a gravestone and Alice is buried with him > > > altough she died in Catford, > > > London. > > > > > > I have 6 children for James and Jane -
which > ties in > > > with Edmund's > > > statement -Henry the eldest known born 1808/1809 > > > (age 42 in 1851) born > > > Beckington who married Harriet ABBOTT > > > 13/9/1831. He was a master carpenter and died > > > 8/2/1861 leaving a will. > > > Harriet died Dec. quarter 1857. Charles next, > then > > > an Edwin (which is > > > probably your Edmund - age rounded to 15 in > 1841), > > > then Edward (again age > > > rounded to 15 in 1841) and Martha and last Mary > Jane > > > (both these were > > > stated as being 9 in the 1841 census) It is > > > interesting that your Edmund > > > states that he is the youngest son. Edward was > > > still at home with mum
in > > > 1851 - so I will swap the boys around in order! > I > > > must go and check some > > > of the handwriting again at the record > office.I'm > > > not sure where Jesse and > > > Frederick fit in so I will look at this too. > > > > > > My Henry had 9 known children - Harriett, Felix, > > > William, Alfred, > > > Susan,Ezit,Tom,Elizabeth and Philip Henry. I > have > > > more on Harriett who > > > married Jabez Eames and was my husbands great > > > grandmother and also on > > > Felix's family. Let me know if any is of > interest > > > to you. Please send > > > details of your great grandmother - is this > Martha > > > or Mary Jane? and her > > >
descendants so I can extend my tree. I will try > to > > > learn how to send my > > > family tree by e mail but it could take some > time! > > > > > > I should like to maybe contact the gentleman in > CA > > > if you have an address. > > > > > > Thanks for the fascinating information. > > > >
--- On Thu, 4/2/09, veganfiddler <veganfiddler@...> wrote:
From: veganfiddler <veganfiddler@...> Subject: [cuzners_in_their_genes_] Re: Cuzners from Beckington To: cuzners_in_their_genes_@... Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 9:01 AM
--- In cuzners_in_their_ genes_@yahoogrou ps.co.uk, "stevecuzner" <stevecuzner@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> If anyone out there has been researching or has information about the Cuzner's who lived in Beckington in the 1800s, I have a question about Henry Cuzner who married Harriett Abbott. He shows up in the 1841 and 1851 census as a carpenter living in Beckington. He seems to have been born between 1808 and 1811 depending on what source you look at. He is the right age to be a child of Stephen Cuzner who was a shoemaker in Beckington. David and Daniel, sons of Stephen, are those Cuzners associated with the tech school in Beckington.
>
> If anyone know if Henry was a child of Stephen or know or has a guess at other possible parents, I'd appreciate any help you can provide.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
--- In cuzners_in_their_genes_@..., Steve Cuzner <stevecuzner@...>
wrote:
>
> Those names and dates are backed up with the 1901 Battersea, England Census
(Class: RG13; Piece: 444; Folio: 93; Page: 26.) The father Stephen is listed as
being born in Paddington, London and Emily in Westminster, London. I can't find
anything for Stephen in freebmd or freereg, but this might give you a place to
start.
>
> Steve
>
>
> --- On Sat, 4/11/09, deborahbuzza <deborahbuzza@...> wrote:
>
> From: deborahbuzza <deborahbuzza@...>
> Subject: [cuzners_in_their_genes_] Newbie
> To: cuzners_in_their_genes_@...
> Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:18 AM
>
> Hi
Yes that seems to be as far as I get and then I can't find anything more.
Deb
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> Hi
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> I thought I had already join this group but looks like I hadn't but anyway, I
am trying to find some details on my nan. My nan's name was Esther Gertrude
Cuzner born 07/02/1891 was lead to believe that the area of her birth was
Battersea or at least that was the last known area she came from before marring
William Tarling then moved to Portsmouth.
>
> Esther came from a large family 1/8 all serving in to late adulthood. I'm not
sure if the following is in the right order but was given the names by Esther's
sister Violet son Billy Laycock.
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> Father Stephen Mother Emily
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> Walter Stephen 1886 worked as a packer for Swiss Milk
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> Stephen Arther E 1889
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> Esther Gertude 1891- 14/09/1966
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> Sidney Stanhope 1893
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> Victor Ivor 1895
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> Violet Adelaide 1900 - 1977 was known as Blossom
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> Reginald Albert 1902
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> Winifred Maud 1904
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> Not sure if these are the correct dob's
>
> I was given a name and address of a family member to write to back last year
who was also searching details of the Cuzners but they never did respond to my
letter. It seems that the Cuzners are hard family to get details on. Hope there
is someone out there who can help. Thanks
>
Those names and dates are backed up with the 1901 Battersea, England Census (Class: RG13; Piece: 444; Folio: 93; Page: 26.) The father Stephen is listed as being born in Paddington, London and Emily in Westminster, London. I can't find anything for Stephen in freebmd or freereg, but this might give you a place to start.
Steve
--- On Sat, 4/11/09, deborahbuzza <deborahbuzza@...> wrote:
From: deborahbuzza <deborahbuzza@...> Subject: [cuzners_in_their_genes_] Newbie To: cuzners_in_their_genes_@... Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 5:18 AM
Hi
I thought I had already join this group but looks like I hadn't but anyway, I am trying to find some details on my nan. My nan's name was Esther Gertrude Cuzner born 07/02/1891 was lead to believe that the area of her birth was Battersea or at least that was the last known area she came from before marring William Tarling then moved to Portsmouth.
Esther came from a large family 1/8 all serving in to late adulthood. I'm not sure if the following is in the right order but was given the names by Esther's sister Violet son Billy Laycock.
Father Stephen Mother Emily
Walter Stephen 1886 worked as a packer for Swiss Milk
Stephen Arther E 1889
Esther Gertude 1891- 14/09/1966
Sidney Stanhope 1893
Victor Ivor 1895
Violet Adelaide 1900 - 1977 was known as Blossom
Reginald Albert 1902
Winifred Maud 1904
Not sure if these are the correct dob's
I was given a name and address of a family member to write to back last year who was also searching details of the Cuzners but they never did respond to my letter. It seems that the Cuzners are hard family to get details on. Hope there is someone out there who can help. Thanks
Hi
I thought I had already join this group but looks like I hadn't but anyway, I am
trying to find some details on my nan. My nan's name was Esther Gertrude Cuzner
born 07/02/1891 was lead to believe that the area of her birth was Battersea or
at least that was the last known area she came from before marring William
Tarling then moved to Portsmouth.
Esther came from a large family 1/8 all serving in to late adulthood. I'm not
sure if the following is in the right order but was given the names by Esther's
sister Violet son Billy Laycock.
Father Stephen Mother Emily
Walter Stephen 1886 worked as a packer for Swiss Milk
Stephen Arther E 1889
Esther Gertude 1891- 14/09/1966
Sidney Stanhope 1893
Victor Ivor 1895
Violet Adelaide 1900 - 1977 was known as Blossom
Reginald Albert 1902
Winifred Maud 1904
Not sure if these are the correct dob's
I was given a name and address of a family member to write to back last year who
was also searching details of the Cuzners but they never did respond to my
letter. It seems that the Cuzners are hard family to get details on. Hope there
is someone out there who can help. Thanks
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Welcome Lars
Finally saw your email saying sure sign you up. I get so many emails. I have so
many email lists. I just know you will be a big asset to this list having met
you over the internet in so many places over the years.
Just wanted to mention, if you obtain a yahoo id, you will be able to get more
out of this list. Without a yahoo id, you can only read messages. However, with
a yahoo id, you can go directly to the site
http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/cuzners_their_genes_/ and upload
photos,files,use the calendar and create a database,etc., put up gedcoms. This
is cheap storage and means your files are always safe if you system crashes. It
also means if you travel, you have a place you can get to your stuff easily as
yahoo is available around the world. I have logged on to the site to read mail
from Mexico amongst other places. I am not a salesperson for Yahoo by any means,
smile. In fact, I am hoping eventually to buy broadwidth space and create my own
webspace on my own dime and create a interactive space with file storage and
forums but am waiting for a friend to be available to help me to do the php
programming. Space is not the expensive now so that is my next goal however
yahoo will have to do for now. I noticed you had the hotmail id so thought would
mention it.
So perhaps if you have time you will let everyone know where your Cuzners come
from and what you are searching for. We are still all puzzling over the origin
of the surname Cuzner. Would be great to have another opinion on the subject.
Have you hit any brick walls on your research. Do all roads lead to Frome?
Renee
I've been out of the state for about 10 days and just beginning to catch up with my emails. Wilbur Cuzner was one of my favorite relatives. He was my mother's first cousin and he was extremely fond of my grandfather, Jack Cuzner. He visited our family often, taking grandpa out for a beer or two. Later I visited Wilbur and his family with my children. Wilbur lived in Belfast and later in Lubec, Maine with his wife, Norma and their two children He was a teacher and later a principal in Lubec.
I'm not sure about Albert Cuzner, but I know there was a "Cousin Albert" who visited our home in Brookline and the birth date seems right. He was an organist and never married. Somehow I think he was linked with Bill Cuzner of Lexington, MA.
I have some information about CA Cuzners who came to the US mid-19th century (I
think that's right) from Beckingham which I'll dig up out of the files. I connected him with his English roots.
Martha in Amherst
--- On Sun, 4/5/09, renee_mee <renee_mee@...> wrote:
From: renee_mee <renee_mee@...> Subject: [cuzners_in_their_genes_] Found these Cuzners on a WW2 list /American list To: cuzners_in_their_genes_@... Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 11:21 PM
World War II Army Enlistment Records
Ruth M CuznerResidence Place:Jefferson County, New York Person Full name:Ruth M Cuzner Birth Date:1908 Birth Place:Vermont
Guy E CuznerBirth Date:1911 Residence Place:LosAngeles County, California Person Full name:Guy E Cuzner
Wilbur L CuznerResidence Place:Waldo County, Maine Person Full name:Wilbur L Cuzner Birth Date:1917 Birth Place:Maine
Edwin L CuznerBirth Place:New Jersey Birth Date:1919 Person Full name:Edwin L Cuzner Residence Place:Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania
Harry F Cuzner JrBirth Place:Illinois Birth Date:1922 Residence Place:Cook County, Illinois Person Full name:Harry F Cuzner Jr
Albert N CuznerPerson Full name:Albert N Cuzner Residence Place:Norfolk County, Massachusetts Birth Date:1908 Birth Place:Maine
James A Cuzner JrBirth Date:1923 Birth Place:California Person Full name:James A Cuzner Jr Residence Place:LosAngeles County, California
Kenneth G CuznerBirth Place:Ohio Birth Date:1912 Person Full name:Kenneth G Cuzner
Renee,
there is a funny transcription for Violet Cuzner b1912. They have it as:
Violet Cu[X_]Sner
and then connect to the wrong web page.
But her birth is:
1912 Q4
Frome 5c 662
Mother's name: Collins
I'll upload the BMD page in the Files area...
Rob
--- In cuzners_in_their_genes_@..., "renee_mee" <renee_mee@...>
wrote:
>
> I cannot find any proof that my mothers sister was born,baptised or died. She
was supposed to have been born 1912 in Frome,Somerset according to the person
who gave me some of my data. I cannot find her in any records anywhere. My mom
hated her sister so kept up no contact with her after she left England. She was
supposed to have had a boyfriend near Reading. That is all I know. I am quite
stuck about trying to figure out what happened to her.
>
> I have no clues at all about her. No occupation. My mom was born in
Petersfield though before her birth my grandfather had several children born in
Frome,Somerset and then relocated to other towns. I gather he was moving about
and had several jobs. His longest job seems to have been sewage engineer for the
dairy plant in Frome,Somerset. My moms sister, Violet Cuzner was supposed to
have been born 1912 though I have never found any supporting documentation. I
have found some Violet Cuzners but they are not my Violet Cuzner. I cannot find
her anywhere. So just asking if people can keep their eyes open for her.
>
> Renee
>
Jane Crisp Cuzner
Birth Abt 1832 Frome, Somerset, England
Gender Female
1841 Census 06 Jun 1841 'White Mill', Frome, Somerset, England
age 9; born Somerset
1851 Census 30 Mar 1851
No record found
1861 Census 07 Apr 1861 Town's End Private House, South Molton, Devon,
England
age 27; born Frome, Somerset
1871 Census 02 Apr 1871 'Unicorn Hotel', Queen Street, South Molton, Devon,
England
age 39; born Frome, Somerset
1881 Census 03 Apr 1881 'Unicorn Hotel', Queen Street, South Molton, Devon,
England
age 47; Wife
1891 Census 05 Apr 1891 'Unicorn Hotel', Queen Street, South Molton, Devon,
England
age 59; born Frome Somerset
1901 Census 31 Mar 1901 Manstone Farm, Sidbury, Devon, England
age 68; Widow; Mother-in-Law; Living on her own Means, born Frome, Selwood,
Somerset
Died 1909 South Molton, Devon, England [1]
Children
1. Emilie Jane Cole, b. 1856, South Molton, Devon, England
2. Elizabeth Cuzner Cole, b. Abt 1858, South Molton, Devon, England , d.
1892,
South Molton, Devon, England
3. Mary Marsh Cole, b. 1859, South Molton, Devon, England
4. Sydney George Cole, b. 1864, South Molton, Devon, England
5. Florence Matilda Cole, b. Abt 1869, South Molton, Devon, England
I cannot find any proof that my mothers sister was born,baptised or died. She
was supposed to have been born 1912 in Frome,Somerset according to the person
who gave me some of my data. I cannot find her in any records anywhere. My mom
hated her sister so kept up no contact with her after she left England. She was
supposed to have had a boyfriend near Reading. That is all I know. I am quite
stuck about trying to figure out what happened to her.
I have no clues at all about her. No occupation. My mom was born in Petersfield
though before her birth my grandfather had several children born in
Frome,Somerset and then relocated to other towns. I gather he was moving about
and had several jobs. His longest job seems to have been sewage engineer for the
dairy plant in Frome,Somerset. My moms sister, Violet Cuzner was supposed to
have been born 1912 though I have never found any supporting documentation. I
have found some Violet Cuzners but they are not my Violet Cuzner. I cannot find
her anywhere. So just asking if people can keep their eyes open for her.
Renee
Kenneth was my grand uncle and sitting here on my desk is the magnifying glass that was part of his survival kit from the war. He served the bulk of his time in Burma/China. Harry F was a fighter pilot and I think he wrote a book about his experience or at least his letters were documented in a book. The California Cuzners came through Minnesota from Canada and were lumber/shipping/baning barons. I hear there is an historic Cuzner House in LA, but I've never checked it out. Maybe on my next trip to visit my parents.
Steve
--- On Sun, 4/5/09, renee_mee <renee_mee@...> wrote:
From: renee_mee <renee_mee@...> Subject: [cuzners_in_their_genes_] Found these Cuzners on a WW2 list /American list To:
cuzners_in_their_genes_@... Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 11:21 PM
World War II Army Enlistment Records
Ruth M CuznerResidence Place:Jefferson County, New York Person Full name:Ruth M Cuzner Birth Date:1908 Birth Place:Vermont
Guy E CuznerBirth Date:1911 Residence Place:LosAngeles County, California Person Full name:Guy E Cuzner
Wilbur L CuznerResidence Place:Waldo County, Maine Person Full name:Wilbur L Cuzner Birth Date:1917 Birth Place:Maine
Edwin L CuznerBirth Place:New Jersey Birth Date:1919 Person Full name:Edwin L Cuzner Residence Place:Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania
Harry F Cuzner JrBirth Place:Illinois Birth Date:1922 Residence Place:Cook County, Illinois Person Full name:Harry F Cuzner Jr
Albert N CuznerPerson Full name:Albert N Cuzner Residence Place:Norfolk County, Massachusetts Birth Date:1908 Birth Place:Maine
James A Cuzner JrBirth Date:1923 Birth Place:California Person Full name:James A Cuzner Jr Residence Place:LosAngeles County, California
Kenneth G CuznerBirth Place:Ohio Birth Date:1912 Person Full name:Kenneth G Cuzner
World War II Army Enlistment Records
Ruth M CuznerResidence Place:Jefferson County, New York Person Full name:Ruth M
Cuzner Birth Date:1908 Birth Place:Vermont
Guy E CuznerBirth Date:1911 Residence Place:LosAngeles County, California
Person Full name:Guy E Cuzner
Wilbur L CuznerResidence Place:Waldo County, Maine Person Full name:Wilbur L
Cuzner Birth Date:1917 Birth Place:Maine
Edwin L CuznerBirth Place:New Jersey Birth Date:1919 Person Full name:Edwin L
Cuzner Residence Place:Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania
Harry F Cuzner JrBirth Place:Illinois Birth Date:1922 Residence Place:Cook
County, Illinois Person Full name:Harry F Cuzner Jr
Albert N CuznerPerson Full name:Albert N Cuzner Residence Place:Norfolk County,
Massachusetts Birth Date:1908 Birth Place:Maine
James A Cuzner JrBirth Date:1923 Birth Place:California Person Full name:James
A Cuzner Jr Residence Place:LosAngeles County, California
Kenneth G CuznerBirth Place:Ohio Birth Date:1912 Person Full name:Kenneth G
Cuzner
The names will be very familiar to many of us James Cuzner,Mary Ann Cuzner and
Francis Cuzner to name a few. They are all marriages that start in 1836 and go
to 1927.One in Lemoxville,most in Sherbrooke, and one in Quebec. Past screening
the names, you have to pay for more. They advertise themselves as free. I am not
into paying anymore. I just paid out 300.00 to Ancestry only to come to the
weekend and find out my membership had disappeared AGAIN and reverted to a guest
and they were asking me to upgrade. I was so mad and of course have to wait
until Monday morning to get on the blower to get it fixed!!!
The point is with these names and locations and dates of marriages, should not
be a big deal to check with the info I gave people for LAC links if you are
interested in any names. As many people know many people had to leave Frome when
the textile industry went defunct because there was no work. Alot of people
chose to immigrate to Canada and the United States. Most people automatically
think of the States but Canada was quite popular with Brits because closer thus
cheaper plus less bureaucracy because of being a commonwealth country.
I have started another photo album for Cuzner Surnames. So like Cuzner Surname
Cementaries just load it in a separate photo browser so you can enlarge the
image.
Renee
Etymology is the study of the origins of words. The etymology of a word is its
linguistic history. For example, the word etymology comes to us from the Ancient
Greek language. It is composed of two parts: the Greek word etymon, which means
"the true sense of a word", combined with the Greek element logia, which means
"doctrine, study". Combining these two parts gives us "the study of the true
sense of words", which can be said to be the 'meaning' of the word etymology.
Language Changes:
Over time, languages evolve. This is due to slow changes in pronunciation,
vocabulary and grammar that naturally occur over long periods of time. The Old
English word modor became the Middle English moder which eventually became the
modern English mother. One language may split into two different languages when
speakers are separated by physical or cultural barriers for extended periods.
When two speakers have noticeable differences in speech but can still understand
each other, they are said to be speaking different dialects. When they can no
longer mutually understand one another, then they are speaking different
languages.
Language Families:
Linguists divide the languages of the world, past and present, into various
language families. English belongs to a family of languages called the
Indo-European Language Family, which includes Greek, French, Russian, Hindi,
German, Irish, and many other tongues of Europe and Asia. It is theorized that
thousands of years ago all Indo-European languages had a common ancestor, a
hypothetical protolanguage. There are many other families besides Indo-European,
and there are attempts to prove relations between the different families.
Cognates:
One way that linguists prove that languages are related to one another is by
using cognates. A cognate is a related word in another language. For example,
the English word mother has cognates in several other Indo-European languages:
Greek meter, Russian mate, German mutter, Sanskrit matri, and Irish mathair.
These words all share a similar sound, and thousands of years ago they were
likely all the same word in the same language.
Loanwords:
English has many words of foreign origin, which are called loanwords. A great
deal of the English vocabulary is made up of French and Latin loanwords, which
were added by the French-speaking Norman invaders who conquered England in the
11th century AD. Other languages with which English speakers come into contact
add to the vocabulary as well.
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Took source doc from Wikipedia cut and pasted parts I felt were pertinant/some
areas will not pertinant to group but I am emailing for my convenience one time
to all groups so will include geographic areas specific to their surname..thanks
everyone
Renee
Toponymy is the scientific study of place-names (toponyms), their origins,
meanings, use and typology. The first part of the word is derived from the Greek
tópos (t?p??), place; followed by ónoma (???µa), meaning name. It is itself a
branch of onomastics, the study of names of all kinds. To understand the value
of toponyms, visualize each toponym (or geographical name) as the title of a
story revealing some aspect of a regions cultural or natural heritage.
Toponyms are not just words on maps and signs, but vital communication tools
that reflect patterns of settlement, exploration, migration, and heritage that
may otherwise be overlooked by residents, visitors, and future generations. A
toponym is a named point of reference in both the physical and cultural
landscape on the Earth's surface. This includes natural features, such as
streams (whose names are studied as hydronyms) and artificial ones (such as
cities). Natural features are no more geographical than man-made features or
adminstrative units because all such features have names that are in essence
artificially applied. Toponyms are typically conservative and give insight into
the buried human history of a region. For example Moses I. Finley observed, "it
is significant that the bulk of the towns and districts in Greece in historical
times retained their pre-Greek names";[1] viewed with archaeological remains,
the conclusion is that speakers of
proto-Greek infiltrated the region by degrees, rather than in a massive
invasion, and that they found already in place a comparatively highly-developed
culture.
In ethnology, a toponym is a name derived from a place or a region. In anatomy,
a toponym is a name of a region of the body, as distinguished from the name of
an organ. In biology, a toponym is a binomial name of a plant.
Toponymists
A toponymist is one who studies toponymy. According to the Oxford English
Dictionary, the word toponymy first appears in English in 1876; since then,
toponym has come to replace "place-name" in professional discourse among
toponymists. It can be argued that the first toponymists were the storytellers
and poets who explained the origin of certain place names in order to elucidate
their tales; sometimes place-names served as the basis for the etiological
legends themselves. The process of folk etymology usually took over, whereby a
false meaning was extracted from a name based on its structure or sounds. Thus,
the toponym of Hellespont was explained by Greek poets as being named after
Helle, daughter of Athamas, who drowned here as she crossed it with her brother
Phrixus on a flying golden ram. The name, however, most likely is derived from
an older language, such as Pelasgian, which was unknown to those who explained
its origin. George R. Stewart
theorized, in his book Names on the Globe, that Hellespont originally meant
something like "narrow Pontus" or "entrance to Pontus," "Pontus" being an
ancient name for the region around the Black Sea, and by extension, for the sea
itself.[2]
Place names provide the most useful geographical reference system in the world.
Consistency and accuracy are essential in referring to a place to prevent
confusion in everyday business and recreation. A toponymist, through
well-established local principles and procedures developed in cooperation and
consultation with the United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names
(UNGEGN) applies the science of toponymy to establish officially recognized
geographical names. A toponymist relies not only on maps and local histories,
but interviews with local residents to determine names with established local
usage. The exact application of a toponym, its specific language, its
pronunciation, and its origins and meaning are all important facts to be
recorded during name surveys.
Scholars have found that toponyms provide valuable insight into the historical
geography of a particular region. As long ago as 1954 F. M. Powicke said of
place-name study that it "uses, enriches and tests the discoveries of
archaeology and history and the rules of the philologists."[3] Toponyms not only
illustrate ethnic settlement patterns, but they can also help identify discrete
periods of immigration.[4][5]
Toponymists are responsible for the active preservation of their regions culture
through its toponymy and typically ensure the on-going development of a
geographical names data base and associated publications, for recording and
disseminating authoritative hard-copy and digital toponymic data. This data may
be disseminated in a wide variety of formats including digital (Geographical
Information Systems & Google Map formats) and hard-copy topographic maps.
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Etymological list of counties of the United Kingdom is a list of the origins of
the names of counties of the United Kingdom. For England and Wales it includes
ancient and contemporary counties.
Throughout the histories of the constituent countries of the United Kingdom a
variety of languages have been used to name places. These languages were often
used in parallel with each other. As a result it is often difficult to assess
the genuine etymology of a placename, hence some of the entries below are
assigned more than one meaning, depending on which language was used to
originally give the place its name. One of the most common words used in county
names in the United Kingdom is the suffix shire. This is a West Saxon word
meaning division.
Avon Brythonic After the River Avon (Avon is a Brythonic word meaning river)
Berkshire Brythonic After Berrock Wood[2] (OE Bearrucscir[1]). Poss. from
Brythonic "Hilly place"
Cheshire Old English Shire of Chester: From the Old English ceaster meaning
Roman town or city. This itself stems from the Latin word for a fortress. The
city's former name Legacæstir (circa 8th century) means literally 'City of the
legions'. (OE Legeceasterscir, later Ceasterscir[1])
Gloucestershire Old English Shire of Gloucester: Roman town called Glevum
(Glevum is a Brythonic name meaning bright place) (OE Gleawcesterscir[1])
Hampshire Old English Shire of Southampton (the county has occasionally been
called the 'County of Southampton'. Southampton was known in Old English as
Hamwic[1] or Hamtun[1] (home town). (Old English Hamtunscir[1])
Leicestershire Old English Shire of Leicester: Roman town of the people called
Ligore (Ligore is a Celtic tribal name of unknown origin) (OE
Lægreceastrescir[1])
Northamptonshire Old English Shire of Northampton: Home farm (with "North" added
later). (OE Norðhamtunescir[1])
Nottinghamshire Old English Shire of Nottingham: Snot's home (OE
Snotingahamscir[1])
Oxfordshire Old English Shire of Oxford: Ford used by Oxen (OE Oxnafordscir[1])
Shropshire Old English Shire of Shrewsbury: Fortified place near scrubland (OE
Scrobbesbyrigscir[1])
Surrey Old English Southern district. (OE Suþrige[1])
Wiltshire Old English Shire of Wilton: Farm where willow trees grow. (OE
Wiltunscir[1]) (An older Old English name for the people of Wiltshire was
Wilsæt[1])
Somerset Old English Settlers around Somerton ("Farm used in the summer"), or
Summer land settlers (with Somerton derived from them) (OE Sumorsæt
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HERE ARE SOME CANADIAN RESOURCES TO ASSIST YOUR RESEARCH:
excellent immigration and citizenship records on this site
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/o22-908-e.html
The largest Atlantic Canadian ports in the summer were Quebec and Montreal and
in the winter, Halifax and St.John. On the western provinces which saw a lower
volume of immigration,the main ports were Vancouver and Victoria,BC
Census ports come in handy and Ancestry.com is a great source though it is a
subscription site
City directories are available at LAC ( this is the Libary and Archives of
Canada) If you first spot a name in a 1910 directory, that person may have
arrived in Canada that year..then that will help you when trying to find them on
an immigration roll at same site
At the FamilySearch Center if you have one close by, you can order a FHL film to
view many of the films that you will find numbers for on the site at
LAC...www.familysearch.org ....to find a site close by and to order film
Death records are kept provincially by each province and different laws apply to
each province. Sometimes by how many years a resident lived in that province
will affect as to whether information will be available regarding their death.
Land records are also valuable because many immigrants that came to Canada came
to settle the land which was available by grants in return for settling it. The
national registration of 1940 asked for the arrival year of any applicant. LAC
also offers help with all these records as well.
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-904-e.html
Ingeneas has a free database of about 15,000 arrivals between 1801-1849 taken
from various LAC resources
www.ingeneas.com/free matches include a citation and how to order copy of
record from LAC
Names of the 33,025 immigrants held at the Grosse Ille Quarantine Station
starting in 1832 www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/grosse-ile/index-e.html click
search help for help in obtaining copies of records
The New Brunswick Provincial Archives have a database of 23,318 Irish immigrants
from 1845-1852
archives.gnb.ca/apps/privrecs/irishfamine
The Montreal Emigrant Society Passage Book records immigrants who recieved aid
from the society mostly immigrants destined for lower Canada (Quebec) and Upper
Canada (Ontario) In 1832
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/mes/index-e.html
Olive Tree Genealogy lists several references for passengers to Canada
www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tocan1400-1800.shtml
LAC Upper Canada and Western Canada naturalization Records database
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/naturalization/index-e.html
Search Church parishes,church registers,local histories,cementaries,tombstones,
and especially for prominent individuals,newspapers in port cities..in
Vancouver,Victoria,Halifax,Montreal,St.John
After 1865, passenger lists served as official records of immigration. LAC holds
all surviving ports covered and microfilm numbers.
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-908.003-02-e.html
Ancestry.com and Ancestry.ca have a name base and index called Canadian
passenger lists 1865-1935
LAC has put record images from 1865 to 1935 online they are free. If you cannot
read one, the film might be clearer.
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-908.003-e.html
The free Nanaimo Family History Society Passenger lists...(for those of you
overseas, Nanaimo is a small town on the coast of Vancouver Island a couple of
hours from Victoria,British Columbia)however this site is a family project that
thus covers Quebec ports(Montreal is included in the Port of Quebec) from Oct 21
to Oct 13,1910
http://members.shawca/nanaimo.fhs
From 1919-1923 form 30A replaced passenger lists except for those in transit to
the United States. For each immigrant it reported details such as arrival date
and port,name,age,occupation,birthplace,race,citizenship,religion,destination
and the name of the nearest relative in the country of origin. In the version
of the form used in 1919 the children were typically included with the head of
the household not on separate forms.
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-908-004-e.html
Until 1922, officials were inconsistent about using the form and some may show
up on passenger lists and some may show up just on a form.If you start searching
from 1925-1935 then you can start searching on LAC by English Surnames. Name
index has over 500,000 surnames
After 1935, passenger records are with Citizenship and Immigration Canada
www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp
HOME CHILDREN
Between 1869-1930 Britain sent more than 100,000 orphans to Canada Search for
these children at
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/home-children/index-e.html
immigrants from the Russian empire
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/li-ra-ma/index-e.html
If you cannot locate your US ancestors in that countries passenger lists you
might want to try Canada. To this day, Canada and the States share the longest
undefended border. Migration along it was common. Immigrants often found it
cheaper to travel to Canada and then travel overland to the States.In face, by
the 1890s,steamship companies advertised passage to Canadaa as a way to avoid
United States rigourous immigrant inspections.Until 1895, many border crossings
in either country were not recorded. Then the United States arranged with the
Steamship and Rail to track US bound passengers...OF COURSE!!!! Many of these
records have been compiled into the St.Albans lists.
archives.gov/publications/prologue/2000/fallus-canada-immigration-records-2.html
If your ancestors arrived at a US port before travelling to Canada, look for him
or her in the databases of castlegarden.org alot of people do not realize
that was the first major immigration recieving center before Ellis Island.
or check out Ellis Island ellisisland.org
Bef 1908,Canada did not record arrivals from the States.However, after 1908 they
had to complete form 30a and LAC has those on file at
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-908-005-e.html
Well, I am pooped and going to bed now. I hope this first part has been
informative.
Renee
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Steve is now co-moderator of Cuzners in their Genes.....He and Rob have been co
moderating for a while anyway. Thanks guys! However, Steve did agree to put on
the hat of co-moderator so thanks alot . I have about ten lists though they are
not all genealogy. So it is nice to have the extra help. These lists are quite
easy as no one squabbles and I do not need to screen members or email. Whew!
I am hoping Steve will look at the databases for me. The Frome site has some
cool databases that work quite well. I just have not had the time lately to try
and figure out how to get this program to work.
I really want this list to be everything it can. Just because it is free, does
not mean it cannot be excellent. This is why we need to really use our file area
more so that we build up a resource library.
People often equate free with no value. I do not agree with that. I think people
helping each other has more value than dollars. During these difficult times,
people will be turning to more resourceful means to fulfill their objectives.
So lets try to share our information, support each other when we hit brick walls
and build up this list.
Thank you, Steve for offering your assistance. You will notice beside your name
on the membership list, a little gold crown....smile..you are now a moderator
not to be confused with a king.
Renee
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