Ken Barker
Secretary, Cardiff Cycling Campaign

Dear colleagues,

Cardiff Cycling Campaign, meeting Monday 8th September 2008

The Campaign meeting will take place at the Model Inn, Quay Street, starting at
7.30pm. (meet in bar first of all).

We should talk about the following:

Cardiff Council / Transport Focus Group and city centre developments

Bute Park, access proposals - planning application

South East Wales Transport Alliance (SEWTA) Regional Transport Plan - response
to consultation draft

Updates on membership and mailing / contacts

Campaign AGM (Annual & Finance Reports); members' forum

Cycle Cardiff Events Programme

Newsletter (On Your Bike for late September?)

Any other Business

Arrangements for next Campaign meeting, Monday 13th October


I hope to see you at the meeting, or hear from you,

Ken

For info

Wednesday evening rides - CTC Local Group

Ken Barker

--- On Mon, 1/9/08, Owen Rook <owen.rook@...> wrote:

> From: Owen Rook <owen.rook@...>
> Subject: CTC Wed night runs list Sept-Dec 08
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient@...
> Date: Monday, 1 September, 2008, 10:55 PM
> Hello everybody
>
> Sorry for not sending this out sooner.
>
> Nov 5th will probably be the night of the AGM - venue to be
> decided (any polite suggestions welcomed).
>
> Dec 17th has been chosen for our Xmas meal at the Dynefwr
> Arms, Groesfaen. We have enjoyed a couple of good Xmas
> celebrations there in recent years. I have provisionally
> booked for 15 people @ 8.00 pm. A £5 deposit per person
> will be required towards the end of November - please let me
> know if you are interested.
>
> Look forward to seeing you out on your bikes soon.
>
> Regards
>
> Owen

Hello All,

My name is Alan Drury and I am one of the events fundraisers at Ty
Hafan the Children's Hospice in wales.

We have our annual Taff Trail Cycle Challenge on Sunday 7th September
and for the first time ever, we have completely filled all of our
team places for this event. -This is great news for the charity and
the children and families from across Wales that use Ty Hafan.

The only problem that we have is that we are still looking for a
couple of volunteers to help us marshal the event.

Being a marshal simply means that you will be pointing riders in the
right direction towards Cardiff bay, and we have some locations to
fill on the main bridges in Cardiff. (ideally it would be best to
work in a pair in case nature calls and one of you needs to go for a
break.

You will only be required from around 12.00/12.30pm - to approx 5.00pm

If you are feeling a little more like heading further afield, then we
also need a marshal at Cefn Coed Y Cymmer near Merthyr Tydfil, and
also at Brynich Lock -up towards the start at Brecon. (although you
would be required earlier for these locations, it means that you get
to finish earlier too.!!

Full details and marhsal vest will be provided.

If you are able to help us out, then I would love to hear from you
either by email alan@... or you can call me on 02920 672060

Thank you in advamce for your help.!!

Kind regards,

Alan.

Please note that the Castell Coch ride has changed due the Eisteddfod.
I'll now be leading the ride the other way -- down towards the Bay --
in an effort to dodge the crowds. Please the What's On page.
Nick

--- In cyclecardiff@..., "germainecw"
<germainewalsh@...> wrote:
>
> In response to the recent discussion on this topic and to complement
> Nick's forthcoming Castell Coch ride, I will be leading a ride
> leaving from East Cardiff on Sunday 14th September. Whilst it is not
> as short as some we have led, it is primarily aimed at novice
> riders. Please put the date in your diaries and I look forward to
> seeing you in Penylan soon. Hopefully I can lead more low-mileage
> rides in the future and would be grateful for any route ideas that
> you can give me. Here are the details:
>
> Sunday 14th September PLEASE NOTE CHANGE OF STARTING VENUE
> Easy ride to Griffin Inn, Lisvane. Meet 10.00–10.15 outside Waterloo
> Gardens Post Office (off Waterloo Road), Penylan. Car parking is
> available. We will travel at the pace of the slowest rider, mostly
> on quiet roads and it will be flat until reaching Lisvane where
> there are some gradual slopes. The route will include the length of
> Roath Park, Fidlas Road and Lisvane Road. In the pub we will have a
> drink (snacks and meals are also available). Riders are welcome to
> ride back to the start with me or can make their own way home at any
> point on the return journey. Back by 1pm-ish. Easy: 18km (12 miles).
> Contact: Germaine Walsh 029 20619907 (Work) / 20486325 (Home).
>
> --- In cyclecardiff@..., "ndcanham" <ndcanham@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Not necessarily. Please refer to the Rides Calendar
> > (http://www.cyclecardiff.org.uk/whatson.html) which includes at
> least
> > one Easy ride in August. There will no doubt be another one at some
> > point in September.
> >
> > While you may be pleasantly surprised about what you're capable of,
> > I'd recommend caution about coming on any ride that feels like it
> > might be beyond your capabilities. Please see the notes on the
> Rides
> > Policy: http://www.cyclecardiff.org.uk/ridespolicy.html . You'll
> > notice a few sentences emphatically in red. We rely on people being
> > realistic about this out of courtesy to the wider group. It's far
> > better to work your way up gradually.
> >
> > --- In cyclecardiff@..., Paul Stacey <paulstacey16@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Nick,
> > >
> > > Thanks for taking the time to reply. I appreciate and understand
> the
> > points that you have made. I think that for me I will just have to
> > bite the bullet and go for either a medium or long ride which
> every is
> > the soonest on the ride calendar. Thanks anyway. Paul
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 7/28/08, ndcanham <ndcanham@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: ndcanham <ndcanham@>
> > > Subject: [cyclecardiff] Re: New Cyclists
> > > To: cyclecardiff@...
> > > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 9:22 AM
>
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > There are a number of points here.
> > >
> > > In terms of how easy they are or aren't, I'm not sure how much
> easier
> > > we could make them. We could do a lap or two of Bute Park, but
> people
> > > can do this for themselves, and it has little motivational or
> social
> > > value. I'm sure we'd also get an even smaller turn-out since
> none of
> > > our regulars would show up.
> > >
> > > Riding to Forest Farm, Gelynis Farm, or the Norwegian Church is
> really
> > > about as easy as it gets: under 10 miles, flat, and largely
> > traffic-free.
> > >
> > > One of the group's aims is to promote cycling, but I wouldn't go
> so
> > > far as to say that our core aim is to promote cycling to the less
> > > experienced; it just happens to be among the things that we do.
> > > Personally, I'm proud of the fact that we offer easy rides at
> all. I
> > > enjoy leading the shorter rides, but I wouldn't want to devote
> more
> > > than a handful of my Sundays in a year to these because making
> time to
> > > enjoy cycling for myself is also important to me. We have a team
> of
> > > seven or so regular ride leaders, and a smaller group again who
> choose
> > > to regularly offer the easy rides. We try to make sure that
> there is
> > > an easy ride each month, but without more people offering their
> time
> > > to lead much easier rides than they would normally undertake, we
> can't
> > > put more of them in the calendar.
> > >
> > > In brief, the easy rides are there and they're available to
> those who
> > > want to take the opportunity. Ultimately, I think we offer as
> many as
> > > we can without turning them into an onerous task for ourselves.
> > >
> > > --- In cyclecardiff@ yahoogroups. co.uk, Paul Stacey
> <paulstacey16@ ...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I really do think that you have missed the point in all this
> > discussion.
> > > >
> > > > Can I first say that from what I've read and the tone in which
> it
> > > has been written that the group has not been criticised for any
> > > failure on its part. Some of the comments about the website are
> > > opinions and I think anybody that has looked fully at the
> website and
> > > the history of the variety of the rides could only come to the
> > > conclusion that the group offers a wide range of rides
> throughout the
> > > year.
> > > >
> > > > The message that people like myself are trying to put across
> is that
> > > there are not enough easy rides to satisfy the needs of us as
> > > individuals looking to join the group. I can only say that
> having not
> > > joined the group is based solely on the fact that I am uncertain
> about
> > > being capable of completing some of the long rides based simply
> upon
> > > the lack of experience of actually doing such a long ride.
> > > >
> > > > Undestanding that the lack of experience is a problem for new
> > > members could well explain why the easy rides are undersubscribed
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

In response to the recent discussion on this topic and to complement
Nick's forthcoming Castell Coch ride, I will be leading a ride
leaving from East Cardiff on Sunday 14th September. Whilst it is not
as short as some we have led, it is primarily aimed at novice
riders. Please put the date in your diaries and I look forward to
seeing you in Penylan soon. Hopefully I can lead more low-mileage
rides in the future and would be grateful for any route ideas that
you can give me. Here are the details:

Sunday 14th September PLEASE NOTE CHANGE OF STARTING VENUE
Easy ride to Griffin Inn, Lisvane. Meet 10.00–10.15 outside Waterloo
Gardens Post Office (off Waterloo Road), Penylan. Car parking is
available. We will travel at the pace of the slowest rider, mostly
on quiet roads and it will be flat until reaching Lisvane where
there are some gradual slopes. The route will include the length of
Roath Park, Fidlas Road and Lisvane Road. In the pub we will have a
drink (snacks and meals are also available). Riders are welcome to
ride back to the start with me or can make their own way home at any
point on the return journey. Back by 1pm-ish. Easy: 18km (12 miles).
Contact: Germaine Walsh 029 20619907 (Work) / 20486325 (Home).

--- In cyclecardiff@..., "ndcanham" <ndcanham@...>
wrote:
>
> Not necessarily. Please refer to the Rides Calendar
> (http://www.cyclecardiff.org.uk/whatson.html) which includes at
least
> one Easy ride in August. There will no doubt be another one at some
> point in September.
>
> While you may be pleasantly surprised about what you're capable of,
> I'd recommend caution about coming on any ride that feels like it
> might be beyond your capabilities. Please see the notes on the
Rides
> Policy: http://www.cyclecardiff.org.uk/ridespolicy.html . You'll
> notice a few sentences emphatically in red. We rely on people being
> realistic about this out of courtesy to the wider group. It's far
> better to work your way up gradually.
>
> --- In cyclecardiff@..., Paul Stacey <paulstacey16@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Nick,
> >
> > Thanks for taking the time to reply. I appreciate and understand
the
> points that you have made. I think that for me I will just have to
> bite the bullet and go for either a medium or long ride which
every is
> the soonest on the ride calendar. Thanks anyway. Paul
> >
> > --- On Mon, 7/28/08, ndcanham <ndcanham@> wrote:
> >
> > From: ndcanham <ndcanham@>
> > Subject: [cyclecardiff] Re: New Cyclists
> > To: cyclecardiff@...
> > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 9:22 AM

> >
> > Paul
> >
> > There are a number of points here.
> >
> > In terms of how easy they are or aren't, I'm not sure how much
easier
> > we could make them. We could do a lap or two of Bute Park, but
people
> > can do this for themselves, and it has little motivational or
social
> > value. I'm sure we'd also get an even smaller turn-out since
none of
> > our regulars would show up.
> >
> > Riding to Forest Farm, Gelynis Farm, or the Norwegian Church is
really
> > about as easy as it gets: under 10 miles, flat, and largely
> traffic-free.
> >
> > One of the group's aims is to promote cycling, but I wouldn't go
so
> > far as to say that our core aim is to promote cycling to the less
> > experienced; it just happens to be among the things that we do.
> > Personally, I'm proud of the fact that we offer easy rides at
all. I
> > enjoy leading the shorter rides, but I wouldn't want to devote
more
> > than a handful of my Sundays in a year to these because making
time to
> > enjoy cycling for myself is also important to me. We have a team
of
> > seven or so regular ride leaders, and a smaller group again who
choose
> > to regularly offer the easy rides. We try to make sure that
there is
> > an easy ride each month, but without more people offering their
time
> > to lead much easier rides than they would normally undertake, we
can't
> > put more of them in the calendar.
> >
> > In brief, the easy rides are there and they're available to
those who
> > want to take the opportunity. Ultimately, I think we offer as
many as
> > we can without turning them into an onerous task for ourselves.
> >
> > --- In cyclecardiff@ yahoogroups. co.uk, Paul Stacey
<paulstacey16@ ...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I really do think that you have missed the point in all this
> discussion.
> > >
> > > Can I first say that from what I've read and the tone in which
it
> > has been written that the group has not been criticised for any
> > failure on its part. Some of the comments about the website are
> > opinions and I think anybody that has looked fully at the
website and
> > the history of the variety of the rides could only come to the
> > conclusion that the group offers a wide range of rides
throughout the
> > year.
> > >
> > > The message that people like myself are trying to put across
is that
> > there are not enough easy rides to satisfy the needs of us as
> > individuals looking to join the group. I can only say that
having not
> > joined the group is based solely on the fact that I am uncertain
about
> > being capable of completing some of the long rides based simply
upon
> > the lack of experience of actually doing such a long ride.
> > >
> > > Undestanding that the lack of experience is a problem for new
> > members could well explain why the easy rides are undersubscribed
> > >
> >
>

Not necessarily. Please refer to the Rides Calendar
(http://www.cyclecardiff.org.uk/whatson.html) which includes at least
one Easy ride in August. There will no doubt be another one at some
point in September.

While you may be pleasantly surprised about what you're capable of,
I'd recommend caution about coming on any ride that feels like it
might be beyond your capabilities. Please see the notes on the Rides
Policy: http://www.cyclecardiff.org.uk/ridespolicy.html . You'll
notice a few sentences emphatically in red. We rely on people being
realistic about this out of courtesy to the wider group. It's far
better to work your way up gradually.

--- In cyclecardiff@..., Paul Stacey <paulstacey16@...>
wrote:
>
> Nick,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to reply. I appreciate and understand the
points that you have made. I think that for me I will just have to
bite the bullet and go for either a medium or long ride which every is
the soonest on the ride calendar. Thanks anyway. Paul
>
> --- On Mon, 7/28/08, ndcanham <ndcanham@...> wrote:
>
> From: ndcanham <ndcanham@...>
> Subject: [cyclecardiff] Re: New Cyclists
> To: cyclecardiff@...
> Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 9:22 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul
>
> There are a number of points here.
>
> In terms of how easy they are or aren't, I'm not sure how much easier
> we could make them. We could do a lap or two of Bute Park, but people
> can do this for themselves, and it has little motivational or social
> value. I'm sure we'd also get an even smaller turn-out since none of
> our regulars would show up.
>
> Riding to Forest Farm, Gelynis Farm, or the Norwegian Church is really
> about as easy as it gets: under 10 miles, flat, and largely
traffic-free.
>
> One of the group's aims is to promote cycling, but I wouldn't go so
> far as to say that our core aim is to promote cycling to the less
> experienced; it just happens to be among the things that we do.
> Personally, I'm proud of the fact that we offer easy rides at all. I
> enjoy leading the shorter rides, but I wouldn't want to devote more
> than a handful of my Sundays in a year to these because making time to
> enjoy cycling for myself is also important to me. We have a team of
> seven or so regular ride leaders, and a smaller group again who choose
> to regularly offer the easy rides. We try to make sure that there is
> an easy ride each month, but without more people offering their time
> to lead much easier rides than they would normally undertake, we can't
> put more of them in the calendar.
>
> In brief, the easy rides are there and they're available to those who
> want to take the opportunity. Ultimately, I think we offer as many as
> we can without turning them into an onerous task for ourselves.
>
> --- In cyclecardiff@ yahoogroups. co.uk, Paul Stacey <paulstacey16@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I really do think that you have missed the point in all this
discussion.
> >
> > Can I first say that from what I've read and the tone in which it
> has been written that the group has not been criticised for any
> failure on its part. Some of the comments about the website are
> opinions and I think anybody that has looked fully at the website and
> the history of the variety of the rides could only come to the
> conclusion that the group offers a wide range of rides throughout the
> year.
> >
> > The message that people like myself are trying to put across is that
> there are not enough easy rides to satisfy the needs of us as
> individuals looking to join the group. I can only say that having not
> joined the group is based solely on the fact that I am uncertain about
> being capable of completing some of the long rides based simply upon
> the lack of experience of actually doing such a long ride.
> >
> > Undestanding that the lack of experience is a problem for new
> members could well explain why the easy rides are undersubscribed
> >
>

Paul

There are a number of points here.

In terms of how easy they are or aren't, I'm not sure how much easier
we could make them. We could do a lap or two of Bute Park, but people
can do this for themselves, and it has little motivational or social
value. I'm sure we'd also get an even smaller turn-out since none of
our regulars would show up.

Riding to Forest Farm, Gelynis Farm, or the Norwegian Church is really
about as easy as it gets: under 10 miles, flat, and largely traffic-free.

One of the group's aims is to promote cycling, but I wouldn't go so
far as to say that our core aim is to promote cycling to the less
experienced; it just happens to be among the things that we do.
Personally, I'm proud of the fact that we offer easy rides at all. I
enjoy leading the shorter rides, but I wouldn't want to devote more
than a handful of my Sundays in a year to these because making time to
enjoy cycling for myself is also important to me. We have a team of
seven or so regular ride leaders, and a smaller group again who choose
to regularly offer the easy rides. We try to make sure that there is
an easy ride each month, but without more people offering their time
to lead much easier rides than they would normally undertake, we can't
put more of them in the calendar.

In brief, the easy rides are there and they're available to those who
want to take the opportunity. Ultimately, I think we offer as many as
we can without turning them into an onerous task for ourselves.

--- In cyclecardiff@..., Paul Stacey <paulstacey16@...>
wrote:
>
> I really do think that you have missed the point in all this discussion.
>
> Can I first say that from what I've read and the tone in which it
has been written that the group has not been criticised for any
failure on its part. Some of the comments about the website are
opinions and I think anybody that has looked fully at the website and
the history of the variety of the rides could only come to the
conclusion that the group offers a wide range of rides throughout the
year.
>
> The message that people like myself are trying to put across is that
there are not enough easy rides to satisfy the needs of us as
individuals looking to join the group. I can only say that having not
joined the group is based solely on the fact that I am uncertain about
being capable of completing some of the long rides based simply upon
the lack of experience of actually doing such a long ride.
>
> Undestanding that the lack of experience is a problem for new
members could well explain why the easy rides are undersubscribed
>

I've read the comments on the forum about our ride calendar with
interest. I don't agree at all that we say anything which is
misleading on our website. We do offer information for people at all
levels, and a number of novice or returning cyclists have become
involved in our rides, and, I believe, been made to feel very welcome.

Looking back at our Rides Calendar, we have run six pretty easy rides
this year. Even a ride like the one to The Griffin Inn in Lisvane,
which we classified as 'Moderate' due to the distance over 15 k.m.,
was little more than a gentle morning jaunt into the suburbs. There
were at least eight such short rides in 2007 too.

To put all this into context, be aware that the alternative for many
people is to join a road club like Ajax or Jif, which will be well
beyond most novice's abilities.

All of our short rides are designed so that we can reach somewhere of
interest -- riding around Bute Park would get pretty boring pretty
quickly -- but they're also suitable for a more experienced rider to
come along and take part, if only to stretch their legs and have a
coffee in company.

Germaine is right to point out that what short rides we run are
comparatively poorly attended, so there is clearly less demand for
rides of this distance. However, we persist in offering the easier
rides precisely for those who want an access point to a cycling club.

It is important to realize that absolutely all of Cycle Cardiff's
rides are run by volunteers who are passionate about cycling and give
up their own time to plan and run these rides. We have no statutory
status and no grant funding from public or private bodies. In fact we
have hardly any budget to speak of at all. We see ourselves as
primarily a club and do not see ourselves as providing a service to
clients, but we do think that we engage with cycling in a way that
other organizations currently don't.

I can say with confidence that many statutory bodies or grant-funded
organizations would be delighted to achieve the levels of attendance
and physical activity that we are achieving on a regular basis. I also
suggest that those who imply that we're not doing enough would be
hard-pushed to find a similar local voluntary organization in the UK
which is running a ride schedule as wide-ranging and accessible as
ours, with the possible exception of Southwark Cyclists.

So David Cameron has had his famous bike stolen.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7523144.stm

I saw what was left of a bike the other week at a bike stand on Albany
Road - a very thick cable lock had been cut through but the D-Lock was
still in place holding the frame - every other piece of the bike had
been removed. I advocate using two types of lock because I have read
that the tool for breaking a cable lock is different from the tool for
breaking a D-Lock and its inconvenient for a thief to carry both. In
the above case two locks was insufficient.

If I go to Tescos on City Road and some other places it is impossible
to find anywhere to use a D-Lock as the street furniture is too big.
I've reported City Road to the council cycle officer but I don't think
he is particularly interested. In such cases, if the bike is going to
be out of site, I use the cable lock to attached to the lamp-post (or
some other item) and I put the D-Lock through the wheel and frame -
better than nothing.

About a month ago - I saw some rough looking blokes near City Road,
wheeling a racer bike around that had no front wheel - I bet that it
was nicked. Maybe it was locked up by the front wheel only ?
Some bicycle racks make it hard to lock the bike up using anythin but
the front or back wheel,  in such cases I use my D-Lock to connect to
the stand and then lock my wheels together using the cable lock. Its
not always easy as the cable lock fights hard to resist.

Recently I saw a hole where a street sign-post had been removed, it
didn't look like a professional job and I wonder if a bike was
attached to it before it was removed ....

Hi,

Stumbled across a review of bicyle multi-tools on Wired magazine site.
Thought it might be interesting to somebody.

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/07/hands-on-with-t.html

This is what I carry - a cheap puncture repair kit that I hope I never
have to use again. About 4 allen keys. A pair of pliers. A
screwdriver. A multi-spanner thingy that is probably of little use but
fits easily into my puncture repair box. A bicylce hand pump.

I tend to use these things about once a year and usually at home. I
carry them around just in case....

John

I have joined this group but I am not a member but I have considered
joining a ride but I feel the same as pjrw08 that perhaps I am not
ready for such a long ride (25 - 45 miles). I have been doing
spinning for 6 months which is a gym based group cycling activity
which is quite intense. I am 50+ and even though I feel fit I am not
that confident of cycling for such a long period etc...
Would you consider tempering the distance for new solo members such
as myself and others, who could then help out with leading rides
until then move up a level. Just a suggestion.

--- In cyclecardiff@..., "pjrw08" <pjrw08@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for your replies. I had no idea that cycling beginners
would
> present such problems. What it comes down to is that neither you,
nor
> the CTC, nor anyone else in Cardiff that I know of, is able to
cater for
> cyclists until their fitness, strength and stamina is up to at
least the
> average level of those already participating in your organised runs.
> Until that stage is reached, beginners are on their own.
>
> Fine. No problem. I understand your difficulties and on reflection
it is
> probably best that you don't even attempt to cater but, instead,
limit
> yourselves to the activities that are well supported. But please
revise
> your welcome message as it is misleading.
>
>
> --- In cyclecardiff@..., "germainecw" <germainewalsh@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Cycle Cardiff has always aimed to welcome and encourage new
cyclists
> > and we try to put on a ride every month which is shorter and uses
> > quieter roads compared to the more advanced rides. In practise,
this
> > is often harder to arrange as there is a smaller turnout on
> > the 'novice / family rides' compared to the very long rides that
> > take place on bank holidays, implying that there is less need for
> > the shorter routes such as those to Castell Coch, the Norwegian
> > Church or Forest Farm.
> >
> > All leaders are volunteers with full-time jobs who enjoy the
social
> > aspect of cycling in a group. There is a core group of members who
> > regularly lead rides and as they become fitter and more confident,
> > it is understandable that they will offer to lead more challenging
> > rides but we apologise if this means that older or less confident
> > riders feel excluded.
> >
> > We welcome anyone who would like to lead a ride (suggested
> > guidelines exist and there are always members willing to sweep
> > behind as co-leaders) so please contact us if this interests you.
> >
> > The main reason that all rides start from Bute Park is simply that
> > it is central regardless where you live in Cardiff and to avoid
> > confusion in finding us. If a leader wished to start elsewhere
(such
> > as Roath Park), there is nothing to stop this assuming suitable
car
> > parking facilities existed for those preferring to drive their
bike
> > and a landmark made the start easy to find.
> >
> > In recent years a number of rides have featured East Cardiff and
the
> > Pengam Green route towards Newport although many beginners would
be
> > wary of the potholes, fast cars and verbal abuse of some local
> > residents when cycling the Coast road. Pjrw08 and others are
> > encouraged to attend a forthcoming meeting so that we can receive
> > verbal feedback and amend our route ideas accordingly.
> >
> > --- In cyclecardiff@..., "pjrw08" pjrw08@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I have just joined and am encouraged by your apparent wish to
> > cater for
> > > new cyclists as well as the more experienced.
> > > May I enquire what, precisely, is arranged for new cyclists and
> > perhaps
> > > especially the older ones (50+, 60+) who, like me, started
> > recently by
> > > riding a mile or two around the block and, after a few weeks,
can
> > now
> > > manage perhaps 6-10 miles in one session and then call it a day.
> > > Your runs appear to cater for those who can handle hills and
> > traffic
> > > and round trips of 25 miles plus. Hardly catering for beginners?
> > > Also, your runs (and others) seem to start in or near the city
> > centre -
> > > just getting to the start would be a major challenge for most
> > > beginners - and the east side of Cardiff seems to be left out
> > > completely despite easy access to excellent beginners country in
> > the
> > > low lying area between Cardiff and Newport.
> > > So I repeat; how do you propose to encourage beginners?
> > >
> >
>

--- In cyclecardiff@..., "pjrw08" <pjrw08@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for your replies. I had no idea that cycling beginners
would
> present such problems. What it comes down to is that neither you,
nor
> the CTC, nor anyone else in Cardiff that I know of, is able to
cater for
> cyclists until their fitness, strength and stamina is up to at
least the
> average level of those already participating in your organised runs.
> Until that stage is reached, beginners are on their own.
>
> Fine. No problem. I understand your difficulties and on reflection
it is
> probably best that you don't even attempt to cater but, instead,
limit
> yourselves to the activities that are well supported. But please
revise
> your welcome message as it is misleading.
>
>
> --- In cyclecardiff@..., "germainecw" <germainewalsh@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Cycle Cardiff has always aimed to welcome and encourage new
cyclists
> > and we try to put on a ride every month which is shorter and uses
> > quieter roads compared to the more advanced rides. In practise,
this
> > is often harder to arrange as there is a smaller turnout on
> > the 'novice / family rides' compared to the very long rides that
> > take place on bank holidays, implying that there is less need for
> > the shorter routes such as those to Castell Coch, the Norwegian
> > Church or Forest Farm.
> >
> > All leaders are volunteers with full-time jobs who enjoy the
social
> > aspect of cycling in a group. There is a core group of members who
> > regularly lead rides and as they become fitter and more confident,
> > it is understandable that they will offer to lead more challenging
> > rides but we apologise if this means that older or less confident
> > riders feel excluded.
> >
> > We welcome anyone who would like to lead a ride (suggested
> > guidelines exist and there are always members willing to sweep
> > behind as co-leaders) so please contact us if this interests you.
> >
> > The main reason that all rides start from Bute Park is simply that
> > it is central regardless where you live in Cardiff and to avoid
> > confusion in finding us. If a leader wished to start elsewhere
(such
> > as Roath Park), there is nothing to stop this assuming suitable
car
> > parking facilities existed for those preferring to drive their
bike
> > and a landmark made the start easy to find.
> >
> > In recent years a number of rides have featured East Cardiff and
the
> > Pengam Green route towards Newport although many beginners would
be
> > wary of the potholes, fast cars and verbal abuse of some local
> > residents when cycling the Coast road. Pjrw08 and others are
> > encouraged to attend a forthcoming meeting so that we can receive
> > verbal feedback and amend our route ideas accordingly.
> >
> > --- In cyclecardiff@..., "pjrw08" pjrw08@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I have just joined and am encouraged by your apparent wish to
> > cater for
> > > new cyclists as well as the more experienced.
> > > May I enquire what, precisely, is arranged for new cyclists and
> > perhaps
> > > especially the older ones (50+, 60+) who, like me, started
> > recently by
> > > riding a mile or two around the block and, after a few weeks,
can
> > now
> > > manage perhaps 6-10 miles in one session and then call it a day.
> > > Your runs appear to cater for those who can handle hills and
> > traffic
> > > and round trips of 25 miles plus. Hardly catering for beginners?
> > > Also, your runs (and others) seem to start in or near the city
> > centre -
> > > just getting to the start would be a major challenge for most
> > > beginners - and the east side of Cardiff seems to be left out
> > > completely despite easy access to excellent beginners country in
> > the
> > > low lying area between Cardiff and Newport.
> > > So I repeat; how do you propose to encourage beginners?
> > >
> >
>

--- In cyclecardiff@..., "germainecw" <germainewalsh@...> wrote:
>
> Cycle Cardiff has always aimed to welcome and encourage new cyclists
> and we try to put on a ride every month which is shorter and uses
> quieter roads compared to the more advanced rides. In practise, this
> is often harder to arrange as there is a smaller turnout on
> the 'novice / family rides' compared to the very long rides that
> take place on bank holidays, implying that there is less need for
> the shorter routes such as those to Castell Coch, the Norwegian
> Church or Forest Farm.
>
> All leaders are volunteers with full-time jobs who enjoy the social
> aspect of cycling in a group. There is a core group of members who
> regularly lead rides and as they become fitter and more confident,
> it is understandable that they will offer to lead more challenging
> rides but we apologise if this means that older or less confident
> riders feel excluded.
>
> We welcome anyone who would like to lead a ride (suggested
> guidelines exist and there are always members willing to sweep
> behind as co-leaders) so please contact us if this interests you.
>
> The main reason that all rides start from Bute Park is simply that
> it is central regardless where you live in Cardiff and to avoid
> confusion in finding us. If a leader wished to start elsewhere (such
> as Roath Park), there is nothing to stop this assuming suitable car
> parking facilities existed for those preferring to drive their bike
> and a landmark made the start easy to find.
>
> In recent years a number of rides have featured East Cardiff and the
> Pengam Green route towards Newport although many beginners would be
> wary of the potholes, fast cars and verbal abuse of some local
> residents when cycling the Coast road. Pjrw08 and others are
> encouraged to attend a forthcoming meeting so that we can receive
> verbal feedback and amend our route ideas accordingly.
>
> --- In cyclecardiff@..., "pjrw08" pjrw08@ wrote:
> >
> > I have just joined and am encouraged by your apparent wish to
> cater for
> > new cyclists as well as the more experienced.
> > May I enquire what, precisely, is arranged for new cyclists and
> perhaps
> > especially the older ones (50+, 60+) who, like me, started
> recently by
> > riding a mile or two around the block and, after a few weeks, can
> now
> > manage perhaps 6-10 miles in one session and then call it a day.
> > Your runs appear to cater for those who can handle hills and
> traffic
> > and round trips of 25 miles plus. Hardly catering for beginners?
> > Also, your runs (and others) seem to start in or near the city
> centre -
> > just getting to the start would be a major challenge for most
> > beginners - and the east side of Cardiff seems to be left out
> > completely despite easy access to excellent beginners country in
> the
> > low lying area between Cardiff and Newport.
> > So I repeat; how do you propose to encourage beginners?
> >
>

Cycle Cardiff has always aimed to welcome and encourage new cyclists
and we try to put on a ride every month which is shorter and uses
quieter roads compared to the more advanced rides. In practise, this
is often harder to arrange as there is a smaller turnout on
the 'novice / family rides' compared to the very long rides that
take place on bank holidays, implying that there is less need for
the shorter routes such as those to Castell Coch, the Norwegian
Church or Forest Farm.

All leaders are volunteers with full-time jobs who enjoy the social
aspect of cycling in a group. There is a core group of members who
regularly lead rides and as they become fitter and more confident,
it is understandable that they will offer to lead more challenging
rides but we apologise if this means that older or less confident
riders feel excluded.

We welcome anyone who would like to lead a ride (suggested
guidelines exist and there are always members willing to sweep
behind as co-leaders) so please contact us if this interests you.

The main reason that all rides start from Bute Park is simply that
it is central regardless where you live in Cardiff and to avoid
confusion in finding us. If a leader wished to start elsewhere (such
as Roath Park), there is nothing to stop this assuming suitable car
parking facilities existed for those preferring to drive their bike
and a landmark made the start easy to find.

In recent years a number of rides have featured East Cardiff and the
Pengam Green route towards Newport although many beginners would be
wary of the potholes, fast cars and verbal abuse of some local
residents when cycling the Coast road.  Pjrw08 and others are
encouraged to attend a forthcoming meeting so that we can receive
verbal feedback and amend our route ideas accordingly.

--- In cyclecardiff@..., "pjrw08" <pjrw08@...> wrote:
>
> I have just joined and am encouraged by your apparent wish to
cater for
> new cyclists as well as the more experienced.
> May I enquire what, precisely, is arranged for new cyclists and
perhaps
> especially the older ones (50+, 60+) who, like me, started
recently by
> riding a mile or two around the block and, after a few weeks, can
now
> manage perhaps 6-10 miles in one session and then call it a day.
> Your runs appear to cater for those who can handle hills and
traffic
> and round trips of 25 miles plus. Hardly catering for beginners?
> Also, your runs (and others) seem to start in or near the city
centre -
> just getting to the start would be a major challenge for most
> beginners - and the east side of Cardiff seems to be left out
> completely despite easy access to excellent beginners country in
the
> low lying area between Cardiff and Newport.
> So I repeat; how do you propose to encourage beginners?
>

I have just joined and am encouraged by your apparent wish to cater for
new cyclists as well as the more experienced.
May I enquire what, precisely, is arranged for new cyclists and perhaps
especially the older ones (50+, 60+) who, like me, started recently by
riding a mile or two around the block and, after a few weeks, can now
manage perhaps 6-10 miles in one session and then call it a day.
Your runs appear to cater for those who can handle hills and traffic
and round trips of 25 miles plus. Hardly catering for beginners?
Also, your runs (and others) seem to start in or near the city centre -
just getting to the start would be a major challenge for most
beginners - and the east side of Cardiff seems to be left out
completely despite easy access to excellent beginners country in the
low lying area between Cardiff and Newport.
So I repeat; how do you propose to encourage beginners?

I have just joined and am encouraged by your apparent wish to cater for
new cyclists as well as the more experienced.
May I enquire what, precisely, is arranged for new cyclists and perhaps
especially the older ones (50+, 60+) who, like me, started recently by
riding a mile or two around the block and, after a few weeks, can now
manage perhaps 6-10 miles in one session and then call it a day.
Your runs appear to cater for those who can handle hills and traffic
and round trips of 25 miles plus. Hardly catering for beginners?
Also, your runs (and others) seem to start in or near the city centre -
just getting to the start would be a major challenge for most
beginners - and the east side of Cardiff seems to be left out
completely despite easy access to excellent beginners country in the
low lying area between Cardiff and Newport.
So I repeat; how do you propose to encourage beginners?

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From: Ken Barker

To: cyclecardiff@...

Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 11:19 PM

Subject: Re: [cyclecardiff] St Andrews Place fixed and Barrage Open

Hi John,

It's good to experience the improved road surface at
St. Andrews Place / Sengenydd Road!

Has anyone tried the new Barrage / Harbour route?

Ken

--- "john.mccrory4@btinternet.com"
<john.mccrory4@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Two pieces of good news
>
> Good news 1.
>
> St Andrews Place is finally fixed. Anyone who has
> cycled there will
> know what a nightmare it was to avoid the pot-holed
> tarmac humps and
> debris while watching for vehicles turning left onto
> Senghenydd Rd.A
> proper job appears to have been done with all
> trouble spots being
> removed on both sides of the road. Its probably been
> about 5 months
> since my initial complaint was acknowleged.
>
> I recommend that complaints are made directly to
> Transport, Infrastructure & Waste Brindley Road"
> TIW-BR@cardiff.gov.uk
>
> I think its important to state the case clearly in
> terms of safety
> and to point out that most accidents to cyclists
> occur because of
> the road surface. I also copied in my local
> councillor to the e-mail.
>
>
> Good news 2.
>
> See below which was posted recently in the Cardiff
> FoE newsgroup
>
> Hello all!
>
> Great news! I'm very pleased to let you know that
> the long awaited
> finallink between the Barrage and the Inner Harbour
> is complete and
> will beopen to the public from 8.00am, Friday 27th
> June. The new
> section, fromthe Environment Building on the Penarth
> side of the
> Barrage, linksacross the new bridge by the Norwegian
> Church to the
> Inner Harbour. Thisforms the first section of the
> Cardiff Coast
> Path, which is part of theall-Wales Coast Path. The
> official
> opening will be on July 10th from 12.30 by Jane
> DavidsonAM, Minister
> for Environment, Sustainability & Housing; full
> details tobe
> confirmed shortly. It would be great if you are able
> to support us
> onthis date and we are also hoping to have the Media
> covering the
> officialopening. Please do forward this on to anyone
> you feel would
> like to know aboutthis good news!
>
> Regards from
>
> Tricia Cottnam
>
> Coastal Access Officer /Swyddog Mynediad Arfordirol
> Public Rights of Way Team /Tîm Hawliau Tramwy
> Cyhoeddus
> Highways and Waste Management / Priffyrdd a Reheoli
> Gwastraff
> Cardiff Council / Cyngor Caerdydd
> Brindley Road / Brindley Road
> Cardiff / Caerdydd
> CF11 8TX Tel/Ffôn: 029 2078 5320
> Email/E-bost: tcottnam@cardiff.gov.uk
>
>

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Hi John,

It's good to experience the improved road surface at
St. Andrews Place / Sengenydd Road!

Has anyone tried the new Barrage / Harbour route?

Ken

--- "john.mccrory4@..."
<john.mccrory4@...> wrote:

> Two pieces of good news
>
> Good news 1.
>
> St Andrews Place is finally fixed. Anyone who has
> cycled there will
> know what a nightmare it was to avoid the pot-holed
> tarmac humps and
> debris while watching for vehicles turning left onto
> Senghenydd Rd.A
> proper job appears to have been done with all
> trouble spots being
> removed on both sides of the road. Its probably been
> about 5 months
> since my initial complaint was acknowleged.
>
> I recommend that complaints are made directly to
> Transport, Infrastructure & Waste Brindley Road"
> TIW-BR@...
>
> I think its important to state the case clearly in
> terms of safety
> and to point out that most accidents to cyclists
> occur because of
> the road surface. I also copied in my local
> councillor to the e-mail.
>
>
> Good news 2.
>
> See below which was posted recently in the Cardiff
> FoE newsgroup
>
> Hello all!
>
> Great news! I'm very pleased to let you know that
> the long awaited
> finallink between the Barrage and the Inner Harbour
> is complete and
> will beopen to the public from 8.00am, Friday 27th
> June. The new
> section, fromthe Environment Building on the Penarth
> side of the
> Barrage, linksacross the new bridge by the Norwegian
> Church to the
> Inner Harbour. Thisforms the first section of the
> Cardiff Coast
> Path, which is part of theall-Wales Coast Path. The
> official
> opening will be on July 10th from 12.30 by Jane
> DavidsonAM, Minister
> for Environment, Sustainability & Housing; full
> details tobe
> confirmed shortly. It would be great if you are able
> to support us
> onthis date and we are also hoping to have the Media
> covering the
> officialopening. Please do forward this on to anyone
> you feel would
> like to know aboutthis good news!
>
> Regards from
>
> Tricia Cottnam
>
> Coastal Access Officer /Swyddog Mynediad Arfordirol
> Public Rights of Way Team /Tîm Hawliau Tramwy
> Cyhoeddus
> Highways and Waste Management / Priffyrdd a Reheoli
> Gwastraff
> Cardiff Council / Cyngor Caerdydd
> Brindley Road / Brindley Road
> Cardiff / Caerdydd
> CF11 8TX Tel/Ffôn: 029 2078 5320
> Email/E-bost: tcottnam@...
>
>



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Two pieces of good news

Good news 1.

St Andrews Place is finally fixed. Anyone who has cycled there will
know what a nightmare it was to avoid the pot-holed tarmac humps and
debris while watching for vehicles turning left onto Senghenydd Rd.A
proper job appears to have been done with all trouble spots being
removed on both sides of the road. Its probably been about 5 months
since my initial complaint was acknowleged.

I recommend that complaints are made directly to
Transport, Infrastructure & Waste Brindley Road"
TIW-BR@...

I think its important to state the case clearly in terms of safety
and to point out that most accidents to cyclists occur because of
the road surface. I also copied in my local councillor to the e-mail.


Good news 2.

See below which was posted recently in the Cardiff FoE newsgroup

Hello all!

Great news! I'm very pleased to let you know that the long awaited
finallink between the Barrage and the Inner Harbour is complete and
will beopen to the public from 8.00am, Friday 27th June. The new
section, fromthe Environment Building on the Penarth side of the
Barrage, linksacross the new bridge by the Norwegian Church to the
Inner Harbour. Thisforms the first section of the Cardiff Coast
Path, which is part of theall-Wales Coast Path. The official
opening will be on July 10th from 12.30 by Jane DavidsonAM, Minister
for Environment, Sustainability & Housing; full details tobe
confirmed shortly. It would be great if you are able to support us
onthis date and we are also hoping to have the Media covering the
officialopening. Please do forward this on to anyone you feel would
like to know aboutthis good news!

Regards from

Tricia Cottnam

Coastal Access Officer /Swyddog Mynediad Arfordirol
Public Rights of Way Team /Tîm Hawliau Tramwy Cyhoeddus
Highways and Waste Management / Priffyrdd a Reheoli Gwastraff
Cardiff Council / Cyngor Caerdydd
Brindley Road / Brindley Road
Cardiff / Caerdydd
CF11 8TX Tel/Ffôn: 029 2078 5320
Email/E-bost: tcottnam@...

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Join us for one of the most scenic and enjoyable cycling challenges
that Wales has to offer, as we follow the historic Taff Trail from
Brecon to Cardiff Bay.

The 55 mile route takes you along some of the most picturesque trails
of the Welsh valleys and villages as you follow former railway lines,
canal paths, tram roads, ride past stunning reservoirs and over
viaducts.

For the less energetic, you can join the Taff Trail Challenge at
Merthyr Tŷdfil for our 28 mile Half Taff where you can follow the
rest of the route and join the Full Taff riders as you head to
Cardiff Bay for your hero's or heroine's welcome.

You will be supported along the way by our team of safety marshals,
and our checkpoint teams who will keep you supplied with refreshments.

If you are joining us for the Full Taff, then you might like to take
up our "Scene it" photographic challenge. We'll provide you with a
camera and a list of clues relating to various landmarks and
locations between Brecon and Cardiff, and the team that reaches the
highest points total will win a fantastic team paintballing
adventure, courtesy of Taskforce near Cowbridge in the Vale of
Glamorgan.

You will love our new competition for the Half Taff Challenge too,
because it's time to "Bling Up Your Bike" and enter our best
decorated bike competition. If your bike is judged to be the best and
most eye catching on the day, then you will ride off with our prize,
which is a fantastic mini break for a family of 4 at Pontins.

For both distances teams of four cyclists are invited to take up the
challenge. You will need to be 16 years and above to enter the Full
Taff, and 13 years and above for the Half Taff and entry is just
£8.00 per team member. Why not set your team a fundraising challenge
too, for example £500 for the Full Taff and £250 for the Half Taff
contact us for smaller team requirements).

If you would like to enter a team this year then please complete our
entry form. For any additional information contact Alan Drury on 029
2067 2060 or email alan@...

Anyone know the drill for getting the Eurostar back from Paris with
bike? Three of us might want to come back with bikes after a charity
ride in Sept, but not sure if it's feasible, and no reply from the
Eurostar e-mail (not a good omen!).

Thanks

Paul

Ken Barker
Secretary, Cardiff Cycling Campaign

The next Campaign meeting will be held on Monday, 12th
May 2008, 7.30pm., at the Model Inn, Quay Street,
Cardiff..

Proposed agenda

1) Attendance & apologies

2) Matters arising (no meeting was held in April)

  a) website development
  b) John Franklin's talk, feedback
  c) Sustainable Transport Question Time, 17th March,
  feedback

3) Bute Park vehicle access (North Road) / planning
application

4) Ely Bridge - Pont y Werin project

5) Campaigns

6) Newsletter - On Your Bike

7) Fete of the Earth, 7th June / Bike Week events (?)
14th - 22nd June

8) Membership report & renewals / Finance Report

9) Any other Business

I look forward to seeing you at the meeting

Ken


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Recently had some really good service from Tredz on Penarth Road.
Wanted some clip-on reflectors to make my Shimano clipless pedals safer
and street-legal. No joy in my regular local shops, but assistant in
Tredz spent quite a while looking for some, couldn't find any, so
popped a pair off a display model full-suspension MTB (why would you
use such a beast on the road?) and gave them to me for free!

Well pleased.

Paul

Hi Max,

We objected to Planning about the junction layout for
this scheme but, as I understand it, not to the
development as a whole. Is this a possibility at this
late stage, or is anyone else doing so?

Ken

--- Max Wallis <wallismk@...> wrote:

> No Nick, the issue is not about more events; nor
> (Chris) is the
> entrance for "occasional access only".  It's a
> 9-metre wide bridge
> (6m c'way for passing artics) and 4-metre roadway
> plus 0.5m verges
> (compare present 2.5m paths).
>
> It's to take 20 cars/day for the Nursery and more
> for staff of the
> new Study Centre plus coaches of  children to the
> Study Centre plus
> lorries for the increasing planter-supply business.
> Also to take all
> lorries and official cars to events on Coopers Field
> and the
> Blackweir field, each of which are currently served
> from the North
> Lodge and Blackweir entrances resp.
>
> To route all this traffic through the quietist part
> of the Park, and
> force longer journeys within the Park was always
> misconceived. To
> reduce vehicles in the Park to the minimum (claimed
> as the aim), they
> need to keep (improve) the present two entrances
> (plus third via
> Talybont), stop workers at the Nursery parking on
> site, but force
> them and visiting children to walk from the boundary
> (North Rd car
> park).  And limit the size of lorries to the Nursery
> (no artics!) and
> restrict times to early mornings, at least until
> they improve the
> entrace through Blackweir (with expected move of the
> Ambulance
> Station).
>
> As for cyclists, the Council have not carried out
> the cycling audit
> required in the new Cycling Strategy for all
> proposed highway schemes
> and they ignored cycle movement to and from Corbett
> Rd (despite being
> told of this obvious need when they "consulted" the
> Cycle Campaign).
>
> Max Wallis
>
> 1.1.
> Re: Bute Park - new entrance design ignores cyclists
>
> Posted by: "ndcanham" ndcanham@...
> ndcanham
> Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:37 pm
>
> There's no electronic version that I know of.
> I attended the council's cycling liaison group
> meeting today and the
> question of this area did arise. Chris Powell from
> the parks
> department was there.  In conversations I've had
> about the new
> development, a key point for  many regular park
> users (not just
> cyclists) seems to be the  possibility that the park
> will be used
> more
> for events. It's already  used for events, but the
> question is
> whether
> this will increase,  changing the nature of the park
> which is on the
> whole a tranquil  resource within the city.  I
> pressed Chris Powell
> on
> whether this was the council's intention,  and he
> did say that there
> could be more events in store.  I think this is the
> point that many
> will object to.  Nick Canham
>
>  --- In cyclecardiff@...,
> "Chris Morgan" <wappers@...> wrote:  >  > Is there
> an electronic copy
> of the plans available?  >   > This access should
> really leave
> priority for cycles and foot path as  > it will be
> for occasional
> access only and lorries should be able to  > pay
> special attention
> while accessing.  >   > -- Chris
>
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No Nick, the issue is not about more events; nor (Chris) is the
entrance for "occasional access only".  It's a 9-metre wide bridge
(6m c'way for passing artics) and 4-metre roadway plus 0.5m verges
(compare present 2.5m paths).

It's to take 20 cars/day for the Nursery and more for staff of the
new Study Centre plus coaches of  children to the Study Centre plus
lorries for the increasing planter-supply business.  Also to take all
lorries and official cars to events on Coopers Field and the
Blackweir field, each of which are currently served from the North
Lodge and Blackweir entrances resp.

To route all this traffic through the quietist part of the Park, and
force longer journeys within the Park was always misconceived. To
reduce vehicles in the Park to the minimum (claimed as the aim), they
need to keep (improve) the present two entrances (plus third via
Talybont), stop workers at the Nursery parking on site, but force
them and visiting children to walk from the boundary (North Rd car
park).  And limit the size of lorries to the Nursery (no artics!) and
restrict times to early mornings, at least until they improve the
entrace through Blackweir (with expected move of the Ambulance
Station).

As for cyclists, the Council have not carried out the cycling audit
required in the new Cycling Strategy for all proposed highway schemes
and they ignored cycle movement to and from Corbett Rd (despite being
told of this obvious need when they "consulted" the Cycle Campaign).

Max Wallis

1.1.
Re: Bute Park - new entrance design ignores cyclists
Posted by: "ndcanham" ndcanham@...   ndcanham
Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:37 pm

There's no electronic version that I know of.
I attended the council's cycling liaison group meeting today and the
question of this area did arise. Chris Powell from the parks
department was there.  In conversations I've had about the new
development, a key point for  many regular park users (not just
cyclists) seems to be the  possibility that the park will be used
more
for events. It's already  used for events, but the question is
whether
this will increase,  changing the nature of the park which is on the
whole a tranquil  resource within the city.  I pressed Chris Powell
on
whether this was the council's intention,  and he did say that there
could be more events in store.  I think this is the point that many
will object to.  Nick Canham

  --- In cyclecardiff@...,
"Chris Morgan" <wappers@...> wrote:  >  > Is there an electronic copy
of the plans available?  >   > This access should really leave
priority for cycles and foot path as  > it will be for occasional
access only and lorries should be able to  > pay special attention
while accessing.  >   > -- Chris