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#258 From: James <garglon@...>
Date: Wed Nov 4, 2009 10:13 pm
Subject: Re:Fw: Cardiff Cycling Campaign Annual Meeting & AGM
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I wouldn't hold out much hope with Delme Bowen; he's let me down on
two occasions when I asked him for help as our local "Plaid Cymru"
councillor in Creigiau and has just overseen the re-surfacing of the
road through our housing estate - it's an absolute mess.

It's of the "chuck down some bitumen then sprinkle some gravel over
the top and let us all tamp it down in our expensive taxed cars, then
not sweep it up properly" style of "workmanship" - weeks later there
are big areas of deep gravel, bare patches, it hasn't fixed any of the
bumps, it's ugly and also lethal on a bike, not only waiting to cause
a crash but also ensuring a lovely rough sandpaper like surface when
you finally hit the road - well done Delme, nice work.

#257 From: Ken Barker <Ken.Barker2@...>
Date: Tue Nov 3, 2009 11:28 pm
Subject: Fw: Cardiff Cycling Campaign Annual Meeting & AGM
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--- On Tue, 3/11/09, Ken Barker <ken.barker2@...> wrote:

> From: Ken Barker <ken.barker2@...>
> Subject: Cardiff Cycling Campaign Annual Meeting & AGM
> To: "CCC Activists" <ccc_activists@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, 3 November, 2009, 11:15 PM
> Dear fellow cyclist,
>
> Those of you who are members of Cardiff Cycling Campaign
> will receive the newsletter shortly - if it hasn't already
> been delivered to you by post.
>
> This is just a reminder that the Annual Meeting and AGM
> takes place at the Welsh Institute of Sport at 7pm prompt on
> Monday 16th November 2009: you're welcome to attend the
> event.
>
>
> Cardiff Cycling Campaign 2009 Public Meeting is on Monday
> 16th November at 7pm in the Sophia Suite, Welsh Institute
> of Sport, Sophia Gardens, Cardiff CF11
>    
> Guest Speaker: Councillor Delme Bowen, Executive Member
> for Traffic and Transportation 'Cardiff Council's support
> for Cycling' 
>
> This will be followed by a question and answer session.
> Some questions will be taken from the floor on the night but
> we welcome questions in advance which we can forward to
> Cllr Bowen. Please e mail your question to iona.gordon@...
> by 9 pm Thursday November 12th.  
>
> We hope there will be information stands from cycling
> organisations to up date us about developments for cycling
> in Cardiff, such as the Sustrans 'Bike It' project, the
> new National Cycle Training Standard instructor's courses
> etc.
>
> The open session will be followed by the Cardiff Cycling
> Campaign's Annual General Meeting. 
>
> Non Members are welcome to attend
>
> We can go across the way to the Moch yn Du for a drink
> after.
>
>
> Iona Gordon
>
>
>
>

#256 From: Ken Barker <Ken.Barker2@...>
Date: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:27 pm
Subject: Fw: SMART bikes launch in Cardiff - Council press release
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Forwarded by Ken Barker
Cardiff Cycling Campaign.
 
Any comments or feedback on the SMART bikes scheme are welcome: we hope to feature reactions to it in our newsletter.
 
Ken


--- On Wed, 23/9/09, Iona Gordon <Iona.Gordon@...> wrote:

From: Iona Gordon <Iona.Gordon@...>
Subject: SMART bikes launch in Cardiff - Council press release
To: iona.gordon@..., "Ken Barker" <ken.barker2@...>
Date: Wednesday, 23 September, 2009, 10:28 AM

Ken
Do you want to put this on topica?
Iona
 


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#255 From: "s.johnson" <s.johnson543@...>
Date: Sun Sep 13, 2009 6:47 am
Subject: Re: seeking map or instructions to cycle from Cardiff bay to Penarth
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HI you probably have found the link by now but is you can get to the Norwegian church ok the barrage links starts just there.
Hope that helps!
SJ
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:09 AM
Subject: [cyclecardiff] seeking map or instructions to cycle from Cardiff bay to Penarth

 

Hi

I am hoping to use the Cardiff Bay Barage to cycle to Penarth but am having difficulty finding a route online. I will be starting from Splott and know how to get to Cardiff bay but am lost from there on as I don't know the area. Could anyone provide a link to a clear route, do I start at the Norwegian Church and is it straightforward from there?

thanks in advance.


#254 From: Ken Barker <Ken.Barker2@...>
Date: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:32 am
Subject: Re: seeking map or instructions to cycle from Cardiff bay to Penarth
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Hi Donna
 
It's very straightforward from the Norwegian Church Centre, as the entrance bridge into the docks area - access path to the Barrage - is immediately to your left as you look across the Bay. (The Norwegian Church Centre is on the front of the Bay to the east of the Pier Head & National Assembly Buildings). 
 
The Barrage is open during the day but not at night.
 
At the end of the Barrage, at Penarth Haven, there's a steep hill up into Penarth town centre, though you could go right through the Marina into Cogan and a more gradual climb into Penarth.
 
Ken

--- On Sat, 12/9/09, missdonna_tammy <donna.stevenson73@...> wrote:

From: missdonna_tammy <donna.stevenson73@...>
Subject: [cyclecardiff] seeking map or instructions to cycle from Cardiff bay to Penarth
To: cyclecardiff@...
Date: Saturday, 12 September, 2009, 9:09 AM

 
Hi

I am hoping to use the Cardiff Bay Barage to cycle to Penarth but am having difficulty finding a route online. I will be starting from Splott and know how to get to Cardiff bay but am lost from there on as I don't know the area. Could anyone provide a link to a clear route, do I start at the Norwegian Church and is it straightforward from there?

thanks in advance.



#253 From: "missdonna_tammy" <donna.stevenson73@...>
Date: Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:09 am
Subject: seeking map or instructions to cycle from Cardiff bay to Penarth
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Hi

I am hoping to use the Cardiff Bay Barage to cycle to Penarth but am having
difficulty finding a route online. I will be starting from Splott and know how
to get to Cardiff bay but am lost from there on as I don't know the area. Could
anyone provide a link to a clear route, do I start at the Norwegian Church and
is it straightforward from there?

thanks in advance.

#252 From: Ken Barker <Ken.Barker2@...>
Date: Thu May 7, 2009 4:54 pm
Subject: Fw: Cardiff City Centre: Cycling Consultation
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My apologies for any duplicate posting of this message.
 
Ken Barker
Cardiff Cycling Campaign

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Iona Gordon <iona.gordon@...>
To: ken.barker2@...
Sent: Sunday, 3 May, 2009 1:30:47 PM
Subject: Cardiff City Centre: Cycling Consultation

Dear all
The Transport Policy dept of Cardiff Council are asking cyclists to respond to a brief survey via the following link:
 
Please complete  on line no later than Friday 8th May  [& please forward to anyone you know who is concerned]  
 
The Council want to get a better understanding of
  • current patterns of cycling through the city centre
  • the numbers of people who cycle to / through the city centre as part of their journey to their work / study place
  • the routes people currently use to access or travel through the city centre
  • the improvements people would like to see to make cycling through the city centre areas easier.
This work forms part of the Council's City Centre Improvment Programme and the recently announced Cardiff Sustainable City project
Iona
[Chair of Cardiff Cycling Campaign]
 
Tel  [work] 029 2055   6029   [home] 029 2034 1768 


#251 From: Ken Barker <Ken.Barker2@...>
Date: Sun Feb 8, 2009 10:46 pm
Subject: Cardiff Cycling Campaign, meeting 9th February 2009, notice & agenda
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Ken Barker
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Meeting, Monday, 9th February 2009, 7.30pm, City Arms, Quay Street, Cardiff


Dear colleagues,

Thanks for the reminder and my apologies for not putting out a notice of the
meeting, which will take place.

Apart from dealing with actions from January's meeting, we'll discuss the
programme of meetings with Cardiff Transport Planners / City Centre team &
consultant, involvement of members.

Also plans for the newsletter / bulletin and the website, and decision about
re-affiliation to 'Cyclenation' [Cycle Campaign Network].



I look forward to seeing you there.


Ken

#250 From: Ken Barker <Ken.Barker2@...>
Date: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:43 pm
Subject: Cardiff Cycling Campaign, On Your Bike: reminder
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Ken Barker
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Dear fellow cyclist

Reminder - I'm putting together the On Your Bike bulletin now and would welcome
any last minute contributions or pictures.

Thanks,

Ken

#249 From: Ken Barker <Ken.Barker2@...>
Date: Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:30 am
Subject: Cardiff Cycling Campaign, On Your Bike newsletter & members' bulletin
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Ken Barker
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Cardiff Cycling Campaign

Dear Member / Supporter

I invite you to send me your contributions to On Your Bike, which we plan to
publish early in February. Would you let me have these articles and / or
pictures by Monday 26th January, please?

Thanks,Ken

#248 From: "garglon" <garglon@...>
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: Fixed gear bikes
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Hi Jessica

I have a single speed (but not strictly fixed) that I built last summer - if
you're interested I
have a blog on how I did it with photos at:

http://web.mac.com/garglon/Blog_Website/Blog/Blog.html

Regards,

James

#247 From: Ken Barker <Ken.Barker2@...>
Date: Wed Dec 3, 2008 12:16 am
Subject: Fw: Cardiff Cycling Campaign Annual Meeting, Wednesday 3rd. December 2008
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A reminder for you about Cardiff Cycling Campaign's Annual Meeting this evening
at 7pm prompt. Apologies for any duplication.

Ken Barker

--- On Sun, 30/11/08, Ken Barker <ken.barker2@...> wrote:

> From: Ken Barker <ken.barker2@...>
> Subject: Cardiff Cycling Campaign Annual Meeting, Wednesday 3rd. December 2008
> To: "Cardiff Cycling" <cardiff.cycling@...>
> Cc: "CCC Activists" <ccc_activists@yahoogroups.com>, "Nick Canham"
<ndcanham@...>, "Cycle Cardiff" <cyclecardiff@...>, "Ross
CTC Cymru" <ross@...>
> Date: Sunday, 30 November, 2008, 4:00 PM
> Ken Barker
> Secretary
> Cardiff Cycling Campaign
>
> Dear member / supporter,
>
> We hope that you will be able to attend the Campaifgn's
> Annual Meeting at 7pm next Wednesday, and to hear Jane
> Davidson AM speak on government support for cycling.
>
> Ken

#246 From: Ken Barker <Ken.Barker2@...>
Date: Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:00 pm
Subject: Cardiff Cycling Campaign Annual Meeting, Wednesday 3rd. December 2008
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Ken Barker
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Cardiff Cycling Campaign

Dear member / supporter,

We hope that you will be able to attend the Campaifgn's Annual Meeting at 7pm
next Wednesday, and to hear Jane Davidson AM speak on government support for
cycling.

Ken

#245 From: Ken Barker <Ken.Barker2@...>
Date: Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:24 pm
Subject: Re: Advice on 25-30 mile routes please ?
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Hi Lisa
 
Everone has their favourites but I think a good start is westward from Cardiff into the Vale of Glamorgan: out through St. Fagans & St. Brides along the River Ely valley, then up the hill in the direction of Cowbridge. A good way is to cross the main road at Bonvilston and go down past Duffryn Gardens, before heading back via Wenvoe & Dinas Powis.
 
Ken


From: lisafeighery <lisafeighery@...>
To: cyclecardiff@...
Sent: Thursday, 27 November, 2008 9:19:44 PM
Subject: [cyclecardiff] Advice on 25-30 mile routes please ?

Hi,

I'll be spending Christmas in Cardiff and am looking for 25-30 mile
routes. I'm training for the MS150 Houston to Austin ride next April (I
live in Texas, husband from Cardiff, I'm Irish) and want to keep up my
training while in Cardiff for the holidays. Any and all suggestions of
routes greatly appreciated. Unfortunately I'll miss your organised
rides on the 21st and 28th December.

Thanks in advance!

Lisa



#244 From: "lisafeighery" <lisafeighery@...>
Date: Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:19 pm
Subject: Advice on 25-30 mile routes please ?
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Hi,

I'll be spending Christmas in Cardiff and am looking for 25-30 mile
routes. I'm training for the MS150 Houston to Austin ride next April (I
live in Texas, husband from Cardiff, I'm Irish) and want to keep up my
training while in Cardiff for the holidays. Any and all suggestions of
routes greatly appreciated. Unfortunately I'll miss your organised
rides on the 21st and 28th December.

Thanks in advance!

Lisa

#243 From: "bateman.jessica" <bateman.jessica@...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:13 pm
Subject: Fixed gear bikes
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Hi

I'm researching an article on fixed gear bikes in cardiff. Does anyone
on this list own one, or know someone who does?

Thank a lot!
Jessica

#241 From: Ken Barker <Ken.Barker2@...>
Date: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: 20 mph limits
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Dear all
 
The best website for campaigning on 20mph limits is www.20splentyforus.org.uk Rod King, who is also a leading activist in Cyclenation, the cycling campaign's network, will be able to say how the movement is progressing.
 
There is experience of a 20mph speed limit being applied throughout a large city area in Portsmouth - it's not just the odd street or 'home zone'.
 
What a surprise, the view from the RAC Foundation! It's a statistic nonsense of course.
 
Ken

--- On Tue, 28/10/08, john.mccrory4@... <john.mccrory4@...> wrote:
From: john.mccrory4@... <john.mccrory4@...>
Subject: [cyclecardiff] 20 mph limits
To: cyclecardiff@...
Date: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008, 2:12 PM

Hi,

I thought some people may be interested in the following article
(extracts below)

http://www.walesonl ine.co.uk/ news/wales- news/2008/ 10/28/all- of-wales-
should-have- a-20mph-speed- limit-91466- 22130217/

A new survey by the Cardiff Green Party taking in the views of 300
residents in Canton, found 80% support for the introduction of 20mph
speed limits in all residential areas.

The Deputy First Minister Ieuan Wyn Jones is currently consulting on
guidance on the implementation of slower speeds and could really
make a difference by encouraging the introduction of 20mph in all
residential areas – we urge him to take this opportunity.

However, the RAC Foundation has called for caution over 20mph
blanket zones.

The RAC Foundation's paper she presented at a recent conference
found that 95% of all pedestrian casualties and 92% of cyclist
casualties were killed or injured on built up roads with speed
limits under 40mph.

John



#240 From: "john.mccrory4@..." <john.mccrory4@...>
Date: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:12 pm
Subject: 20 mph limits
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Hi,

I thought some people may be interested in the following article
(extracts below)

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/10/28/all-of-wales-
should-have-a-20mph-speed-limit-91466-22130217/

A new survey by the Cardiff Green Party taking in the views of 300
residents in Canton, found 80% support for the introduction of 20mph
speed limits in all residential areas.

The Deputy First Minister Ieuan Wyn Jones is currently consulting on
guidance on the implementation of slower speeds and could really
make a difference by encouraging the introduction of 20mph in all
residential areas – we urge him to take this opportunity.

However, the RAC Foundation has called for caution over 20mph
blanket zones.

The RAC Foundation's paper she presented at a recent conference
found that 95% of all pedestrian casualties and 92% of cyclist
casualties were killed or injured on built up roads with speed
limits under 40mph.



John

#239 From: Nicholas Canham <ndcanham@...>
Date: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:45 pm
Subject: Notes on Cycle Cardiff AGM
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Dear all
Apologies for taking some time to get round to moving things on after our AGM.
This is a brief summary of the outcomes of the AGM for the Cycle Cardiff group.

Cycle Cardiff committee
Following the AGM, the committee is as follows:
  • Chair/Coordinator: Nick Canham
  • Secretary: Marion Gray
  • Treasurer: Gerri Allen-Manson
  • Rides group coordinator: Sheila Johnson
  • Rides group coordinator: Gwenda Owen
  • Rides group membership: Nigel Baker
  • Alastair Rayment
  • Paul Barrett
Regular meetings
We agreed that the committee should meet more regularly, and with that in mind I suggest we put some dates directly in our diaries.
I'd like to suggest the second Tuesday of each month at 7--8 p.m. in Chapter Bar, with an undertaking to not take longer than one hour. This would start on Tuesday 11 November.
Could you please confirm whether this is possible?
I also suggest that notification of these meeting be published on the website so that other people might choose to attend if they wish.

Finances
Gerri Allen-Manson has very kindly agreed to take over the role of Treasurer. Alastair Rayment and Nick Canham will meet with Gerri to discuss how these finances will be organized.

Campaigning
We agreed that a sub-group would meet to discuss further plans for:
  • events
  • liaison with the council and other bodies
  • working with the Cardiff Cycling Campaign
  • wider strategy
Initial interest has been expressed by Nick, Alastair Rayment, Paul Barrett, Nigel Baker, Ken Barker, Richard Cooke, and Gerri Allen-Manson. A separate email will be sent out to arrange a meeting and to invite other interested parties.

I think that's all for now.
Best wishes.
Nick



#238 From: Ken Barker <Ken.Barker2@...>
Date: Fri Oct 3, 2008 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: Re: 'Cardiff Crap cycle lanes'
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Max

I think it's a mistake to personalise the this as Lou's responsibility when he
has understanding of the cycling potential and experience from cities in Europe.
And to attack Nicks'motives and editorship of the cycle cardiff website. The
group offers more positive messages and the website is part of that.

By all means challenge the Council's performance in liaison meetings though.

Ken


--- On Fri, 3/10/08, Max Wallis <wallismk@...> wrote:

> From: Max Wallis <wallismk@...>
> Subject: [cyclecardiff] Re: 'Cardiff Crap cycle lanes'
> To: cyclecardiff@...
> Date: Friday, 3 October, 2008, 5:50 PM
> Nick - your reasons for not progressing this plan were
>  a) abuse is possible and
>  b) it's fair to consult Lou as Cycling Officer first.
>
> Now you've consulted him, do share with us how you were
> dissuaded from the
> whole project to simply depict what we see ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Posted by: "ndcanham" ndcanham@...
> Thu Oct 2, 2008 5:37 pm
> Max
> If 'not being robustly applied' is doublespeak for
> 'flagrantly
> flouted', then it's equally true to say that
> 'flagrantly flouted' is
> an undiplomatic way of saying 'not being robustly
> applied'.
> There really is no benefit in deliberately trying to get up
> Lou's
> nose. I may occasionally get up Lou's nose, but
> that's not
> intentional. Neither will I be taking 'Cardiff Crap
> Cycle lanes'
> forward for the reasons I gave, at least not while I'm
> editing the
> website.
> Cheers.
> Nick
>
> --- In cyclecardiff@..., Max Wallis
> <wallismk@...> wrote:
> >
> > Cardiff's sub-standard cyclelanes were condemned
> by the Planning
> Inspector
> > at the St Davids 2 Inquiry, particularly the 1.2
> metres width for
> on-road
> > lanes. the Council claimed to follow the London
> standard of 1.5
> metres.
> > And the London standards were formally adoped by the
> Council in
> their new
> > Cycling strategy.
> >
> > But to what effect? The St Davids 2 contractors still
> put in a narrow
> > cyclelane past Queen St station (including drain
> hazards and other
> bumps).
> > And even where there is abundant space in the
> multi-lane highway
> from the
> > Leckwith junction, the narrow 1.2 metres width has
> been put in.
> >
> > So Nick, is "not being robustly applied"
> doublespeak for "flagrantly
> > flouted"?
> > And now Lou has had chance to respond, will you go
> back to the 'crap
> cycle
> > lanes' proposal?
> >
> > Max Wallis
> >
> > Posted by: "Nicholas Canham" ndcanham@...
> > Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:03 am
> > ..... I thought it would be wrong to start mocking the
> various poor
> > facilities without giving Lou Lusardi a chance to
> respond first.
> > ..... ideally what counts as a poor cycle facility
> should be determined
> > against the DfT infrastructure guidelines, London
> Cycle Design
> Standards,
> > and wider advice on cycling practice such as the
> National Standards for
> > Cycle Training.
> >
> > .... I've had several discussions with Lou about
> certain facilities,
> and
> > what is clear is that London Cycle Design Standards
> are not being
> robustly
> > applied.
> >
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#237 From: Ken Barker <Ken.Barker2@...>
Date: Fri Oct 3, 2008 5:30 pm
Subject: Re: A brief hello and a question or two!!!
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Hi Andrea
 
When we did a ride recently, we followed this route from Wenvoe to Cardiff -
 
Going south along the main Barry road (!) at the south end of Wenvoe (roundabout) for a short distance and then left into the road leading through St. Andrews Major into Dinas Powis village; left down Mill Road and right at the bottom into Millbrook Road and across Cardiff Road at the traffic lights. The road goes up through Murch and enters a footpath to the left of St. Cyres School onto Sully Road. Left and right into Cosmeston Park and past the lake and out onto Lavernock Road, or keep left and then right into Redlands Road. Then you need to head towards the centre of Penarth and take Albert Road over the top and (steeply) down towards Penarth Marina and the Barrage. The cycle / footpath at the other end of the Barrage brings you to the Norwegian Church Arts Centre and the Assembly building. [Note: the Barrage is open 8am to 8pm].
 
Another way through west Cardiff (Caerau) is at the other end of Wenvoe, along Caerau Lane (gated), across the bridge over the main road, and down onto Cowbridge Road West: this and the Ely Bridge roundabout can be busy though, but then Waungron Road is fine for cycling on to Penhill and Pontcanna Fields.
best wishes
 
Ken

--- On Fri, 3/10/08, andrea266763 <andreanation@...> wrote:
From: andrea266763 <andreanation@...>
Subject: [cyclecardiff] A brief hello and a question or two!!!
To: cyclecardiff@...
Date: Friday, 3 October, 2008, 4:52 PM

Hi all,
Just found this site and figured you may be just the people to help...
I'm looking for a safe cycle route from Wenvoe to Cardiff and have been
advised there may be one through Dinas Powys to the Barrage and then
the Taff trail to Cardiff...
Is this the case and if so could someone please elaborate?
I'm aiming to avoid busy roads where possible as i quite value my
life!!!!
Thanks,
Andrea



#236 From: Max Wallis <wallismk@...>
Date: Fri Oct 3, 2008 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: 'Cardiff Crap cycle lanes'
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Nick - your reasons for not progressing this plan were
 a) abuse is possible and
 b) it's fair to consult Lou as Cycling Officer first.

Now you've consulted him, do share with us how you were dissuaded from the whole project to simply depict what we see ?




Posted by: "ndcanham" ndcanham@...
Thu Oct 2, 2008 5:37 pm
Max
If 'not being robustly applied' is doublespeak for 'flagrantly
flouted', then it's equally true to say that 'flagrantly flouted' is
an undiplomatic way of saying 'not being robustly applied'.
There really is no benefit in deliberately trying to get up Lou's
nose. I may occasionally get up Lou's nose, but that's not
intentional. Neither will I be taking 'Cardiff Crap Cycle lanes'
forward for the reasons I gave, at least not while I'm editing the
website.
Cheers.
Nick

--- In
cyclecardiff@..., Max Wallis <wallismk@...> wrote:
>
> Cardiff's sub-standard cyclelanes were condemned by the Planning
Inspector
> at the St Davids 2 Inquiry, particularly the 1.2 metres width for
on-road
> lanes. the Council claimed to follow the London standard of 1.5
metres.
> And the London standards were formally adoped by the Council in
their new
> Cycling strategy.
>
> But to what effect? The St Davids 2 contractors still put in a narrow
> cyclelane past Queen St station (including drain hazards and other
bumps).
> And even where there is abundant space in the multi-lane highway
from the
> Leckwith junction, the narrow 1.2 metres width has been put in.
>
> So Nick, is "not being robustly applied" doublespeak for "flagrantly
> flouted"?
> And now Lou has had chance to respond, will you go back to the 'crap
cycle
> lanes' proposal?
>
> Max Wallis
>
> Posted by: "Nicholas Canham" ndcanham@...
> Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:03 am
> ..... I thought it would be wrong to start mocking the various poor
> facilities without giving Lou Lusardi a chance to respond first.
> ..... ideally what counts as a poor cycle facility should be determined
> against the DfT infrastructure guidelines, London Cycle Design
Standards,
> and wider advice on cycling practice such as the National Standards for
> Cycle Training.
>
> .... I've had several discussions with Lou about certain facilities,
and
> what is clear is that London Cycle Design Standards are not being
robustly
> applied.
>

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#235 From: "andrea266763" <andreanation@...>
Date: Fri Oct 3, 2008 3:52 pm
Subject: A brief hello and a question or two!!!
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Hi all,
Just found this site and figured you may be just the people to help...
I'm looking for a safe cycle route from Wenvoe to Cardiff and have been
advised there may be one through Dinas Powys to the Barrage and then
the Taff trail to Cardiff...
Is this the case and if so could someone please elaborate?
I'm aiming to avoid busy roads where possible as i quite value my
life!!!!
Thanks,
Andrea

#234 From: "ndcanham" <ndcanham@...>
Date: Thu Oct 2, 2008 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: 'Crap cycle lanes'
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Max
If 'not being robustly applied' is doublespeak for 'flagrantly
flouted', then it's equally true to say that 'flagrantly flouted' is
an undiplomatic way of saying 'not being robustly applied'.
There really is no benefit in deliberately trying to get up Lou's
nose. I may occasionally get up Lou's nose, but that's not
intentional. Neither will I be taking 'Cardiff Crap Cycle lanes'
forward for the reasons I gave, at least not while I'm editing the
website.
Cheers.
Nick

--- In cyclecardiff@..., Max Wallis <wallismk@...> wrote:
>
> Cardiff's sub-standard cyclelanes were condemned by the Planning
Inspector
> at the St Davids 2 Inquiry, particularly the 1.2 metres width for
on-road
> lanes.  the Council claimed to follow the London standard of 1.5
metres.
> And the London standards were formally adoped by the Council in
their new
> Cycling strategy.
>
> But to what effect?  The St Davids 2 contractors still put in a narrow
> cyclelane past Queen St station (including drain hazards and other
bumps).
>  And even where there is abundant space in the multi-lane highway
from the
> Leckwith junction, the narrow 1.2 metres width has been put in.
>
> So Nick, is "not being robustly applied" doublespeak for "flagrantly
> flouted"?
> And now Lou has had chance to respond, will you go back to the 'crap
cycle
> lanes' proposal?
>
> Max Wallis
>
> Posted by: "Nicholas Canham" ndcanham@...
> Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:03 am
> .....  I thought it would be wrong to start mocking the various poor
> facilities without giving Lou Lusardi a chance to respond first.
> ..... ideally what counts as a poor cycle facility should be determined
> against the DfT infrastructure guidelines, London Cycle Design
Standards,
> and wider advice on cycling practice such as the National Standards for
> Cycle Training.
>
> .... I've had several discussions with Lou about certain facilities,
and
> what is clear is that London Cycle Design Standards are not being
robustly
> applied.
>

#233 From: Ken Barker <Ken.Barker2@...>
Date: Thu Oct 2, 2008 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: 'Crap cycle lanes'
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As well as the width of cycle lanes, the emphasis in the Transport for London design guidance is on where and when to use cycle lanes - whether advisory or with an upbroken white dividing line - and the treatment of cycle space and position through junctions. Where is the evidence of these considerations, particularly to avoid wasted effort and money on cycle lanes that are inevitably parked on?
Ken

--- On Thu, 2/10/08, Max Wallis <wallismk@...> wrote:
From: Max Wallis <wallismk@...>
Subject: [cyclecardiff] 'Crap cycle lanes'
To: cyclecardiff@...
Date: Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 2:11 PM


Cardiff's sub-standard cyclelanes were condemned by the Planning Inspector at the St Davids 2 Inquiry, particularly the 1.2 metres width for on-road lanes.  the Council claimed to follow the London standard of 1.5 metres.  And the London standards were formally adoped by the Council in their new Cycling strategy.

But to what effect?  The St Davids 2 contractors still put in a narrow cyclelane past Queen St station (including drain hazards and other bumps).  And even where there is abundant space in the multi-lane highway from the Leckwith junction, the narrow 1.2 metres width has been put in.

So Nick, is "not being robustly applied" doublespeak for "flagrantly flouted"?
And now Lou has had chance to respond, will you go back to the 'crap cycle lanes' proposal?

Max Wallis

Posted by: "Nicholas Canham" ndcanham@yahoo. co.uk
Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:03 am
.....  I thought it would be wrong to start mocking the various poor facilities without giving Lou Lusardi a chance to respond first.
..... ideally what counts as a poor cycle facility should be determined against the DfT infrastructure guidelines, London Cycle Design Standards, and wider advice on cycling practice such as the National Standards for Cycle Training.

.... I've had several discussions with Lou about certain facilities, and what is clear is that London Cycle Design Standards are not being robustly applied.


#232 From: Max Wallis <wallismk@...>
Date: Thu Oct 2, 2008 1:11 pm
Subject: 'Crap cycle lanes'
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Cardiff's sub-standard cyclelanes were condemned by the Planning Inspector at the St Davids 2 Inquiry, particularly the 1.2 metres width for on-road lanes.  the Council claimed to follow the London standard of 1.5 metres.  And the London standards were formally adoped by the Council in their new Cycling strategy.

But to what effect?  The St Davids 2 contractors still put in a narrow cyclelane past Queen St station (including drain hazards and other bumps).  And even where there is abundant space in the multi-lane highway from the Leckwith junction, the narrow 1.2 metres width has been put in.

So Nick, is "not being robustly applied" doublespeak for "flagrantly flouted"?
And now Lou has had chance to respond, will you go back to the 'crap cycle lanes' proposal?

Max Wallis

Posted by: "Nicholas Canham" ndcanham@...
Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:03 am
.....  I thought it would be wrong to start mocking the various poor facilities without giving Lou Lusardi a chance to respond first.
..... ideally what counts as a poor cycle facility should be determined against the DfT infrastructure guidelines, London Cycle Design Standards, and wider advice on cycling practice such as the National Standards for Cycle Training.

.... I've had several discussions with Lou about certain facilities, and what is clear is that London Cycle Design Standards are not being robustly applied.

#231 From: Max Wallis <wallismk@...>
Date: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:44 pm
Subject: Re: Footpath/cyclepath at Pontcanna weir bridge
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 The Environment Agency and their contractor are to blame.  It's a disgrace the EA did not require sandbagging to prevent flooding of the path into Pontcanna Fields (not Bute Park!) after their obstacle in the river was the cause.

The Council should have come down on them severely, rather than allowing a notice to go up (days late) and failing to enforce emergency repairs.


Re: Footpath/cyclepath at Bute Park by the bridge!
Posted by: "ndcanham" ndcanham@...   ndcanham
Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:51 pm
Thanks for bringing this up. I actually crossed the park by this route
in the dark last night without knowing the extent of the damage, and
like yourself, I came to a grinding halt in sand. To be fair, there was
a warning sign about flood damage in the park a week or so ago.
Obviously, that's of fairly limited use at night. I think it has gone
now anyway?
I'll pass this concern over to the cycling officer. Has anyone else had
a similar experience?
Nick

--- In
cyclecardiff@..., "PJ" <a10_wolf@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Not sure if anyone was aware few weeks back we has major flood danage
> done to the foot/cycle path by the bridge where the fish by pass is
> (the spot where Eisteddfod was) and has left a huge gapping hole but
> this now been recently filled in.
>
> However more work needed to be done as it not or shall may not be
> carried out? These are being:-
>
> 1) the point where the newly laid gravel foot/cycle path been laid to
> the junction of temporary path to by pass enclosed working area for
> the new fish by pass need to be compacted as it is very loose and is
> liable to cause a skidding and slide action if you are not aware of
> it and can result in losing control of your bike!
>
> 2) the sand need to be shifted fully as it now collasping under
> weight and it is shifting as people and/or bikes goes over the sand
> as the weather is now drying out (due to warm sunny weather rather
> than rain)!
>
> Is there anyway we can ask the council to get this sorted asap before
> someone has a serious accident on this? As I has a minor one where
> the front wheel got caught in a shifting sand rut and amde me slide
> forward onto the bar hurting me in the region below but no real
> serious injury or that but I am aware of this so is now extra careful
> but has seen someone come off the bike completely and believe broke
> her light but she was ok! During the day is ok as you can see these
> happening but it at night that you can't!
>
> thought I bring it up cheers, Peter.
>


#230 From: "ndcanham" <ndcanham@...>
Date: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:51 pm
Subject: Re: Footpath/cyclepath at Bute Park by the bridge!
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Thanks for bringing this up. I actually crossed the park by this route
in the dark last night without knowing the extent of the damage, and
like yourself, I came to a grinding halt in sand. To be fair, there was
a warning sign about flood damage in the park a week or so ago.
Obviously, that's of fairly limited use at night. I think it has gone
now anyway?
I'll pass this concern over to the cycling officer. Has anyone else had
a similar experience?
Nick

--- In cyclecardiff@..., "PJ" <a10_wolf@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Not sure if anyone was aware few weeks back we has major flood danage
> done to the foot/cycle path by the bridge where the fish by pass is
> (the spot where Eisteddfod was) and has left a huge gapping hole but
> this now been recently filled in.
>
> However more work needed to be done as it not or shall may not be
> carried out?  These are being:-
>
> 1) the point where the newly laid gravel foot/cycle path been laid to
> the junction of temporary path to by pass enclosed working area for
> the new fish by pass need to be compacted as it is very loose and is
> liable to cause a skidding and slide action if you are not aware of
> it and can result in losing control of your bike!
>
> 2) the sand need to be shifted fully as it now collasping under
> weight and it is shifting as people and/or bikes goes over the sand
> as the weather is now drying out (due to warm sunny weather rather
> than rain)!
>
> Is there anyway we can ask the council to get this sorted asap before
> someone has a serious accident on this?  As I has a minor one where
> the front wheel got caught in a shifting sand rut and amde me slide
> forward onto the bar hurting me in the region below but no real
> serious injury or that but I am aware of this so is now extra careful
> but has seen someone come off the bike completely and believe broke
> her light but she was ok!  During the day is ok as you can see these
> happening but it at night that you can't!
>
> thought I bring it up cheers, Peter.
>

#229 From: "PJ" <a10_wolf@...>
Date: Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:23 pm
Subject: Footpath/cyclepath at Bute Park by the bridge!
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Hi,

Not sure if anyone was aware few weeks back we has major flood danage
done to the foot/cycle path by the bridge where the fish by pass is
(the spot where Eisteddfod was) and has left a huge gapping hole but
this now been recently filled in.

However more work needed to be done as it not or shall may not be
carried out?  These are being:-

1) the point where the newly laid gravel foot/cycle path been laid to
the junction of temporary path to by pass enclosed working area for
the new fish by pass need to be compacted as it is very loose and is
liable to cause a skidding and slide action if you are not aware of
it and can result in losing control of your bike!

2) the sand need to be shifted fully as it now collasping under
weight and it is shifting as people and/or bikes goes over the sand
as the weather is now drying out (due to warm sunny weather rather
than rain)!

Is there anyway we can ask the council to get this sorted asap before
someone has a serious accident on this?  As I has a minor one where
the front wheel got caught in a shifting sand rut and amde me slide
forward onto the bar hurting me in the region below but no real
serious injury or that but I am aware of this so is now extra careful
but has seen someone come off the bike completely and believe broke
her light but she was ok!  During the day is ok as you can see these
happening but it at night that you can't!

thought I bring it up cheers, Peter.

#228 From: Nicholas Canham <ndcanham@...>
Date: Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:02 am
Subject: 'Crap cycle lanes'
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Hi
Since nothing has happend on this since the last Cycle Cardiff meeting, I thought I'd just keep people informed. You might have noticed that Cardiff Crap Cycle Lanes hasn't been set up, or rather I did set it up on Flickr only to decide not to publicize it in the end.
On reflection, I thought it would be wrong to start mocking the various poor facilities without giving Lou Lusardi a chance to respond first. Also, it occurred to me that such a site could be abused -- ideally what counts as a poor cycle facility should be determined against the DfT infrastructure guidelines, London Cycle Design Standards, and wider advice on cycling practice such as the National Standards for Cycle Training. It would be very easy to get photos posted on an entirely subjective basis -- 'This facility is crap because I say so' -- which wouldn't help our cause at all.
Firstly, I've had several discussions with Lou about certain facilities, and what is clear is that London Cycle Design Standards are not being robustly applied. Lou makes some good points and his position is difficult, but that isn't to say that it isn't worth applying pressure to improve standards. I think our liaison with Matt Price has been useful, and similarly I think we could get somewhere with Lou and his office if we adopt the right approach.
Secondly, I'd prefer to get some sober articles onto the Cycle Cardiff website, with photos, to illustrate what the issues are and to stimulate debate rather than give the impression that we're mocking. If people would support this, can you let me know.
If anyone is interested in seeing some photos of the facilities in Neville Street and Leckwith Road, which has initially stimulated this discussion, along with notes, these are available from my Flickr account at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nickcanham/
Thanks to Germaine for setting up the meeting with David Padmore which has now been publicized on the site. There isn't a form for enquiries, but there are email instructions for sending questions through. The AGM has also now been publicized.
Cheers.
Nick



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