Hi Glenn

About a year or so after this group was formed someone suggested we got
together. Although we got a provisinal location (the midlands) and a possible
date, it come to nothing on 2 counts. The first was the problem of travel, most
would have to travel between 100 and 200 miles, getting everyone to be able to
do that on the right day was difficult to say the least. The second was the
natural reluction o Dysthymics to meet people.

That being said it would be a challange to get something up and running. Any
Takers or Suggestions!

Take Care

Ian

--- In dysthymia@..., "glenn.yem1" <glenn.yem1@...> wrote:
>
> Ack. My story/ introduction is lost.
> I have been married for almost 20 years and she is a good woman but
traditional in her beliefs.
> We have been to counseling twice so far and she will never go back as she
claims I would verbally attack her there.
> Of course my marriage cannot be very good, My lack of focus and cheeryness and
intimacy has made her distant.
>
> --- In dysthymia@..., Tim P <thehermitoftillywhim@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Glenn
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > My wife has made it quite clear that Facebook is not allowed in our home.
> > > she has seen too many marriages ruined by it.
> > >
> >
> > Speaking from experience here, I think any marriage break up featuring
> > Facebook / 'the net' has been on rocky ground for sometime. It'll be part of
> > the bigger picture. While I will be citing my wife's addiction to the net in
> > eventual divorce (replacing alcoholism as addiction I suggest), it will only
> > be part of the bigger picture.
> >
> > > BUT
> > >
> > > For the record I want to add to all of you that my membership to this
group
> > > and all the other means I am cheating on my wife. She considers it
emotional
> > > adultery as she believes that spouses should be all we need. So she
doesn't
> > > know about you and all my other groups.
> > >
> > Are you able to talk freely with each other and consider other opinions? I
> > suggest you have a lifetime of being locked in miserable identities and
> > marriage if (appropriate) needs can't be met elsewhere. Does she consider
> > talking to a GP / Counselor as infidelity? A spouse / partner can't be
> > everything.
> >
> > Wishing you all the best, Glenn; marriage and dysthymia are difficult at the
> > best of times, and with my experience what seems to be unreasonable
> > behaviour / attitudes only add to the problems.
> >
> > BTW, does your wife come from a strong faith background?
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Tim.
> >
>

Ack. My story/ introduction is lost.
I have been married for almost 20 years and she is a good woman but traditional
in her beliefs.
We have been to counseling twice so far and she will never go back as she claims
I would verbally attack her there.
Of course my marriage cannot be very good, My lack of focus and cheeryness and
intimacy has made her distant.

--- In dysthymia@..., Tim P <thehermitoftillywhim@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Glenn
>
> >
> >
> > My wife has made it quite clear that Facebook is not allowed in our home.
> > she has seen too many marriages ruined by it.
> >
>
> Speaking from experience here, I think any marriage break up featuring
> Facebook / 'the net' has been on rocky ground for sometime. It'll be part of
> the bigger picture. While I will be citing my wife's addiction to the net in
> eventual divorce (replacing alcoholism as addiction I suggest), it will only
> be part of the bigger picture.
>
> > BUT
> >
> > For the record I want to add to all of you that my membership to this group
> > and all the other means I am cheating on my wife. She considers it emotional
> > adultery as she believes that spouses should be all we need. So she doesn't
> > know about you and all my other groups.
> >
> Are you able to talk freely with each other and consider other opinions? I
> suggest you have a lifetime of being locked in miserable identities and
> marriage if (appropriate) needs can't be met elsewhere. Does she consider
> talking to a GP / Counselor as infidelity? A spouse / partner can't be
> everything.
>
> Wishing you all the best, Glenn; marriage and dysthymia are difficult at the
> best of times, and with my experience what seems to be unreasonable
> behaviour / attitudes only add to the problems.
>
> BTW, does your wife come from a strong faith background?
>
> Take care,
>
> Tim.
>

My wife has made it quite clear that Facebook is not allowed in our home. she
has seen too many marriages ruined by it.
Plus I do all these deeds at work, and facebook is blocked here.

BUT

For the record I want to add to all of you that my membership to this group and
all the other means I am cheating on my wife. She considers it emotional
adultery as she believes that spouses should be all we need. So she doesn't know
about you and all my other groups.

--- In dysthymia@..., Tim P <thehermitoftillywhim@...> wrote:
>
> Ah right... yep I'm up for it! Make sure we keep plugging this list too I
> guess on it though...
>
> any other thoughts, anyone?
>
> Cheers
>
> Tim
>

I cannot disagree with you there. I do feel that the people here are trying to
connect. I feel it too. But I just think that here it's a little harder! I mean,
imagine if we all have that same level of paranoia, well, then, we all have to
push it a little to get through that.

thanks for your insight!

--- In dysthymia@..., Tim P <thehermitoftillywhim@...> wrote:
>
> I think the fact that people post and exchange here demonstrate there is
> some willingness and drive to connect. I know I feel it - but I do get a
> little paranoid and suspicious of folk too - and have to leap that hurdle
> sometimes.
> > Tim
>
> 2009/11/13 glenn.yem1 <glenn.yem1@...>
>
> >
> >
> > All right, you hardcore dysthymics, I got one for ya. Casual dysthymia
> > sufferes need not apply.
> >
> > I am going to toss a bomb at ya. I invite you to agree, disagree, debate,
> > or flame me.
> >
> > I have a membership with other forums and one is for dysthymics (believe me
> > they are so depressed they don't EVER bother to reply) and one for
> > depression and BP.
> > One thing I noticed about our team is that yes, we talk, but haven't made a
> > real motion to connect as buddies, offer to meet, share a lot of our private
> > lives, things like that. I honestly will tell you that I am guilty of this
> > as well. The other Yahoo group I belong to are all, well, pretty personal in
> > their conversations.
> >
> > I am not doing this to scold anyone, since I am probably the biggest
> > perpetrator. I am just asking if you all notice the same thing. I assume
> > this is what dysthymia would do to a group, makes it hard to connect with
> > people. I do care about you all. But is this the Nature of the Beast or
> > what? Is it all delusions in my head? It just seems we all have built some
> > kind of protective mechanism.
> > I am still not really looking for buddies to hang out with, that's not my
> > goal here either. I do appreciate all of you, I read everything you post and
> > I do feel like you guys will understand me better than anyone. I considered
> > NOT posting this. So I figure I can say this and you won't get too upset. Am
> > I right? If you are upset pls tell me.
> >
>

Hello.
Are you presently seeking help of some kind? Sounds to me like if you keep doing
what you are doing you will get depressed again.

I had to change the way I was living. I fear a will not survive another
depressive episode, so I avowed never to let that happen again.

Glenn

--- In dysthymia@..., "leesaunders12000" <leesaunders12000@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello to all the members of this group. I stumbled across this page
> while researching dysthymia. It's good to  know that there is a name
> for the 'thing' that has bothered me on , and off, for the past 20 odd
> years (I am now 29). Although I have never been formally diagnosed with
> dysthymia, I do have a history of clinical depression, resulting in two
> major episodes at age seventeen and tweny-four; both of which were
> accompanied by failed suicide attempts. In between these episodes I
> have had some good times, but, as many of you will testify, there has
> been an underlying feeling that life is always better and brighter for
> the rest of the world. Anyway, I hope I have not gone on too much, just
> wanted to  share my feelings with those that have been down, and are
> perhaps still travelling down, this twisty road.
>
>  Best wishes. Lee.
>

All right, you hardcore dysthymics, I got one for ya. Casual dysthymia sufferes
need not apply.

I am going to toss a bomb at ya. I invite you to agree, disagree, debate, or
flame me.

I have a membership with other forums and one is for dysthymics (believe me they
are so depressed they don't EVER bother to reply) and one for depression and BP.
One thing I noticed about our team is that yes, we talk, but haven't made a real
motion to connect as buddies, offer to meet, share a lot of our private lives,
things like that. I honestly will tell you that I am guilty of this as well. The
other Yahoo group I belong to are all, well, pretty personal in their
conversations.

I am not doing this to scold anyone, since I am probably the biggest
perpetrator. I am just asking if you all notice the same thing. I assume this is
what dysthymia would do to a group, makes it hard to connect with people. I do
care about you all. But is this the Nature of the Beast or what? Is it all
delusions in my head? It just seems we all have built some kind of protective
mechanism.
I am still not really looking for buddies to hang out with, that's not my goal
here either. I do appreciate all of you, I read everything you post and I do
feel like you guys will understand me better than anyone. I considered NOT
posting this. So I figure I can say this and you won't get too upset. Am I
right? If you are upset pls tell me.

Glenn

Welcome to the group!!
Hang in there.

--- In dysthymia@..., "jtmlk2" <jtmlk2@...> wrote:
>
> Im a newbie here and just wanted to say hi. Ive suffered with dysthemia for
about 25 years and also have a host of other inflictions including fibromyalgia.
I detest the fact that I am unable to be happy and others just think im a
miserable so snd so. The docs just referred me for more CBT so that will be
good. I live in east sussex and have a very good and responsible job,  just wish
someone would acknowledge how well im doing all things considered.
>

Im a newbie here and just wanted to say hi. Ive suffered with dysthemia for
about 25 years and also have a host of other inflictions including fibromyalgia.
I detest the fact that I am unable to be happy and others just think im a
miserable so snd so. The docs just referred me for more CBT so that will be
good. I live in east sussex and have a very good and responsible job,  just wish
someone would acknowledge how well im doing all things considered.

I also get SAD, ive bought special sad lightbulbs for the house which are 625w
and full spectrum, I think i found them on e-bay

--- In dysthymia@..., lesleykemp@... wrote:
>
> I get SAD and one of my coping mechanisms is that I have every single
> light in the house on during the winter months.  I know it's not very eco
> friendly but it so elevates my mood.  I also try to get out with the doggie
> during the early part of the day to get a daylight fix and get 2 for the price
> of 1 because a brisk walk gets my endorphins going with is a great way to
> elevate ones mood.
>
> Like Ian I look forward to 21 December and as soon as that little milestone
>  is reached, well spring (and LIGHT) is just round the corner.
>
> Think you're right Tim about the nature centred stuff.  It's all about
> balance isn't it?
>
> Happy thoughts to you all.  Les :)
>

I like your idea of creating new boxes :)
The questions are like a lot out there to find out if you're depressed or manic
or somewhere inbetween.

--- In dysthymia@..., claire king <sophis_lady@...> wrote:
>
> wot are these questionaires? where have they come from?
> just answer them honestly, dont lie. if there has been no change, put that
down instead, create new boxes and tick them if ness, thats wot i do with forms
and things.
> just dont do it on passport one.
>
> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, HeatherW <h.walker07@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: HeatherW <h.walker07@...>
> Subject: [dysthymia] Questionnaires
> To: dysthymia@...
> Date: Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 16:39
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> How do you fill in questionnaires, do you answer it as how you have felt, or
answer based on now? The question that always really gets me is the one that
asks if you feel worse than last week, honestly I don't feel worse because last
week I felt as bad as today but there isn't any answer for that so it either
comes out that I lie and say I do feel worse than last week or it looks like I'm
not depressed!
> I've got a big questionnaire to fill in for an appointment next week but I
feel like i've done so many of these questionnaires that I know what result I
want and I know what responses to the questions I should give so that it says
I'm depressed!
> Oh well I'll try and answer it honestly, I feel okay at the moment, but I need
them to sort out my drugs, I have been prescribed them by 3 different doctors,
and hopefully they can tweak them.
>
> Heather
>

I know what you mean!!
I cannot answer those things with out that bias in my head.

--- In dysthymia@..., "HeatherW" <h.walker07@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> How do you fill in questionnaires, do you answer it as how you have felt, or
answer based on now?  The question that always really gets me is the one that
asks if you feel worse than last week, honestly I don't feel worse because last
week I felt as bad as today but there isn't any answer for that so it either
comes out that I lie and say I do feel worse than last week or it looks like I'm
not depressed!
> I've got a big questionnaire to fill in for an appointment next week but I
feel like i've done so many of these questionnaires that I know what result I
want and I know what responses to the questions I should give so that it says
I'm depressed!
> Oh well I'll try and answer it honestly, I feel okay at the moment, but I need
them to sort out my drugs, I have been prescribed them by 3 different doctors,
and hopefully they can tweak them.
>
> Heather
>

Hi,

How do you fill in questionnaires, do you answer it as how you have felt, or
answer based on now?  The question that always really gets me is the one that
asks if you feel worse than last week, honestly I don't feel worse because last
week I felt as bad as today but there isn't any answer for that so it either
comes out that I lie and say I do feel worse than last week or it looks like I'm
not depressed!
I've got a big questionnaire to fill in for an appointment next week but I feel
like i've done so many of these questionnaires that I know what result I want
and I know what responses to the questions I should give so that it says I'm
depressed!
Oh well I'll try and answer it honestly, I feel okay at the moment, but I need
them to sort out my drugs, I have been prescribed them by 3 different doctors,
and hopefully they can tweak them.

Heather

Hey,
Thought I would post an update.
I have settled some.
A few bad things happened and set me back, also mix in one night of
less-than-adequate sleep.
What cocks my head to one side is that when I was up, I was getting good sleep.
So I went through a rough patch, My wife stopped speaking to me because of my
"stupidity" (yes she prefers to be my mother) and now Just this morning i am
getting over it. I will not disclose the shame of my stupidity, it's really not
relevant.
But I am wondering if I can come back, get my energy back.
I will let you know.
--- In dysthymia@..., claire king <sophis_lady@...> wrote:
>
> i would say meds are for when u cant control it yourself anymore no matter
what and u have tried everything else. when its having a severe impact on your
quality of life and ability to function.
>  
> u can do other things to help. if it is cyclothymia, u might be alright today
and the past 2 nights, but it goes in cycles so learning to cope with that ..
>  
> doh its raining and i was so confident and cocky that it wouldnt rain in the
south east, stupid weather forecast half hour ago!!
>  
> yeah go team!!
>  
>
>
> --- On Wed, 4/11/09, glenn.yem1 <glenn.yem1@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: glenn.yem1 <glenn.yem1@...>
> Subject: [dysthymia] Re: Hightened state!
> To: dysthymia@...
> Date: Wednesday, 4 November, 2009, 13:29
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Yes, I consider you guys as my team. WE do these things together if we choose.
>
> So far with this thing I am sleeping well. I have slept 2 days in a row fairly
deeply, which is very unusual for me. Have been remembering dreams too.
> But I am still in this place. Doing okay, though. Still in control, but
irritable and anxious andunable to sit still for very long. I suppose that if I
don't need meds to control this I really don't need to manage it more than just
controlling myself like any normal stable regular person. Whatever that means.
> --- In dysthymia@yahoogrou ps.co.uk, claire king <sophis_lady@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > hi, (i liked the 'hi team' :)  )
> >  
> > wen u said heightened state-it sounded straight away like someone was gonna
say something more on the manic side, and when u wrote
> > as if i have a ton of things to do but running out of time- that sounds
manic- like cyclothymia, thats how i feel alot of the time esp in a heightened
state, the whole thing fuels itself.
> > look up hypomania signs/symptoms  if you havnt already.
> >  
> > im on depakote for it but still behaving in that way but to a slightly
lesser degree but the feelings are quite strong so it still comes through a bit.
overall on them i have chilled out more which has been nice.
> >  
> > look up non medication ways of dealing with it also, like going for a long
SLOW walk, to relaxing music. rather than a fast paced hike to dance music which
will make u more manic/alert.
> > look for ways to slow down and relax. i know its hard and i find it very
hard to do myself because i think, i'l relax after i've just done one more
thing, but one more thing leads to another and before u know it yr up all night
working on a project or not sleeping thinking about the fact that u want to work
on a project and will 1st thing tomoz or other things that need doing or ideas
etc, then yr half dead the next day and have to take naps- which are hard to
break the habbit of cos wen u need to rest u need to rest.
> >  
> > but anyway, hope u find something that works for u. be careful of trying to
wind down using alcohol as it can make things worse if used to enhance the mania
eg-drinking and listening to loud music as apposed to winding down slowly
with half a glass in the bath-which i did last night and it worked wonders,
slept better.
> >  
> > progressive muscle relaxation is a good one for excess energy. think of it
like u have excess energy that needs to be released or grounded. exercise and
grounding techniques can help. meditation, relaxation cds/music, baths-for
muscles and generally relaxing, massage, oils+insense, anything boring like
quiet reading, a jigsaw puzzle. u are trying to do the opposite of what u are,
trying to depress yourself in a way and make everything quiet around u. u do the
opposite when depressed eg watching comedy. those are some things that have
helped me anyway
> >  
> > let me know how u get on.
> >
> > --- On Tue, 3/11/09, glenn.yem1 <glenn.yem1@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: glenn.yem1 <glenn.yem1@ ...>
> > Subject: [dysthymia] Hightened state!
> > To: dysthymia@yahoogrou ps.co.uk
> > Date: Tuesday, 3 November, 2009, 13:45
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, Team!
> > Been a while since I started a topic, but as many Westerners are, I have to
deal with the one-hour clock change. This ends up generally being that I go to
work before dawn, and go home at dusk.
> > This is affecting me differently than a lot of you. I feel like the sky is
falling. As if I have a ton of things to do and I am out of time.
> >
> > And I cannot get a feel if this is more of a cyclothymic nature. it does
feel like it could be a light mania, I am pacing and stuff, but I am still
taking me daily nap at work (which is not allowed but I can't break that habit).
> >
> > Just thought I would share.
> >
>

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