Hi Eddie

Berns - Transactional Analysis as a de-escalation technique ‘ego states’ are in the form of either the parent, adult or child context. During de-escalation the ego state of the de-escalator should be complimentary to the patients ego-state.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Duncan [mailto:home@...]
Sent: 18 July 2003 07:20
To: forensic_occupational_therapy@...
Subject: RE: [forensic_occupational_therapy] the rumours are true then

I think that Dave was just trying (& by the looks of it succeeding) to stimulate a bit of discussion on the group.  This e-group usually has about 20 messages a month, but had become a bit quiet of late.  As I happen to know that Dave values the e-group and has contributed valuably in the past, I guess that he was not wanting it to wane for too long.....

Having said that, Dave...the gauntlet is down.  Jane and Joe have both presented very textbook and positive images of C&R - what's your (this is an open question, not just for Dave to respond) experiences and perspective of C&R?  Did your question relate to training, where it is relatively easy to be methodical and calm in your risk assessment or real/potential incidents, which in my experience can often be more instantaneous and without opportunity to use de-escalation techniques etc...?

Joe - you lost me with TA, could you explain

Jane - Welcome to the group.  We have  nearly 70 members (and growing):  Mostly from the UK, but with some valuable international representatives from the USA and Australia (I hope I've not missed anyone out - I can only guess by the email addresses!)

Hope everybody is enjoying the summer sun!

Eddie

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe & Sarah Ayres [mailto:joe.sarah9x@...]
Sent: 17 July 2003 22:15
To: forensic_occupational_therapy@...
Subject: RE: [forensic_occupational_therapy] the rumours are true then

Hi David

Equally not sure how you arrived at this hypotheses. My understanding is
that teachers get the summer off???? and understandably so if you have
children? In my experience we do rely on nursing staff responding to a
critical incident as they equally do with occupational therapists and
technical instructors. Unsure as to your motivation to posing this question
but I'm sure that your more than aware that C&R techniques are used as a
last resort and that de-escalation techniques are often
effective-Tactics-win-win-situation, debunking and transactional analysis.

Surely the decision on whether physical intervention is used is based on the
knowledge of the patient and an assessment of the level of risk the
situation presents + knowledge of any medical conditions or injuries that
the patient has is obviously essential in quantifying which holds are more
likely to prevent injury to both patients or staff.


Joe


-----Original Message-----
From: David Langton [mailto:david.langton@...]
Sent: 17 July 2003 16:03
To: forensic_occupational_therapy@...
Subject: [forensic_occupational_therapy] the rumours are true then

I never really believed it, but this forum has proved it is true

OT's hibernate through the summer, leaving us poor nurses to do all
the work.

Well, here is the wake up call!

how would you go about risk assessing the techniques used in control
and restraint training so that you could quantify which holds are
more likely to result in injury when taught than others?

I suppose if the hibernation hypothesis is true, i will receive a
sleepy response around September.

lmao

Dave


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