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Re: Intelligibility...

Here is a big one for many students, and something to keep in mind if they are
going to the US. If you listen carefully to the way in rapid speech Americans
typically differentiate between stressed/emphasized 'can' and 'can't' it's
mostly the timing and a glottal of some sorts that adds to that timing. I've had
students here in Japan who couldn't understand when Americans were saying, I
can't go OR I can go. When the 'can' of 'I can go' gets no stress, you could say
it's simply c'n but when it gets prominence its a full blown nasal [kae:n]. But
they couldn't distinguish can from can't and that is dangerous. Helpful is that
at least some of the times, there is also a 'yes' or 'no' going with the reply.
But remember, Japanese and a lot of other languages don't use 'yes' or 'no' in
quite the same way.

E.g.,

A: (if it were in Japanese): You mean you can't go?
B: Yes, I can't go.

So we see still yet again multiple factors affecting intelligibility and
comprehension. My cat seems to understand me better when I say yes or no than my
students--perhaps it's the emotional bond?





Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:58 am

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Hi all! Thanks to Jonathan for a cool set of questions and to David for a great response. I'm going to try to add my response to each question, but it might...
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Hi, everybody. Just a few of my ideas on the issue:     JOSÉ TIZIANI EFL Teacher  Lecturer in English Phonetics Mendoza, ARGENTINA ... From: pronsig_mod...
José Tiziani
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Jun 7, 2009
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Hello, everybody. Just a few ideas on the issue:   Jonathan said: 1. There's no agreement about what the significant features of intonation are, or what...
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Jun 7, 2009
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Thanks very much, José, for this very persuasive and optimistic set of responses! I certainly agree that adequate teacher training in this field is absolutely...
Jonathan Marks
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Jun 9, 2009
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Hi everyone, I just wanted to add a minor point to this discussion. Regarding item 5 'intonation doesn't really matter': on a practical note, it does matter...
stephanie gilkes
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Jun 17, 2009
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Hi Steph, I think the fact that prosodic features are 'tested' in oral exams is an important point. The problem is deciding which aspects of prosody should be...
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Jun 18, 2009
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Hi everyone, Surely "communicative competence" includes not conveying the wrong message-this inevitably means teaching some basic elements of intonation. ...
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Jun 18, 2009
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Hi Alex, that's a very good point, the descriptors are quite vague and, at least by default, they are native-speaker referenced. I can't quote them exactly...
stephanie gilkes
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Jun 19, 2009
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Hi Steph, Alex et al. I read the IELTS rubric, and it does seem pretty detailed and likely to be useful to scoring test takers. However, i noticed that there...
Chris P. Bluetree
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Hello Everyone Long time no write... Nearing the end of 2 months of oral entrance examining into the school, evaluation is very much in the forefront of my...
BERNARD Anna
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Jun 19, 2009
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Hi everyone, This is, I believe, a really pressing issue in TESOL pronunciation. Intelligibility, comprehensibility, native speaker competence... none of these...
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Here is a big one for many students, and something to keep in mind if they are going to the US. If you listen carefully to the way in rapid speech Americans...
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