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... VJ: Well, that is a moot point, Mr Meadows. His epigrams were certainly mocking and satirical in tone. ... __________________________________ Yahoo! for...
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robert-blau@...
rb2717
Jan 2, 2006 1:57 pm
From: vaughan jackson <vaughanjackson@...> david meadows <rogueclassicist@...> wrote: But technically speaking, Martial isn't writing...
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David Meadows
rogueclassicist
Jan 2, 2006 2:44 pm
Why is it a moot point? Satire is a genre of ancient Roman literature which has a moral/moralizing quality to it; epigrams can be 'satiric' and from time to...
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David Meadows
rogueclassicist
Jan 2, 2006 2:48 pm
... By the same token, if someone asserts that a hyena might be 'dog-like', does he thereby assert that the hyena IS a dog? No of course not. The same thought...
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vaughan jackson
vaughanjackson
Jan 3, 2006 12:30 am
... Martial's epigrams to be part of that amorphous body called "satire" is debateable, hence a moot point. __________________________________ Yahoo! for...
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david meadows
rogueclassicist
Jan 3, 2006 1:09 am
... ... ??? I'm really not sure of the point you're trying to make, if any. Near as I can tell, by claiming something as a 'moot point' you've taken the ...
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vaughan jackson
vaughanjackson
Jan 3, 2006 9:50 am
... VJ: David, I wasnt claiming Roman satire is an amorphous body; obviously, it is a limited corpus of ouvres. I was claiming that "satire" is amorphous. And...
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david meadows
rogueclassicist
Jan 3, 2006 11:36 am
You're confusing modern and ancient (Roman) notions of what satire is. Roman satire has a didactic element to it; it's not just 'mocking'. It is not ...
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robert-blau@...
rb2717
Jan 3, 2006 9:44 pm
And don't forget, "satura" can also mean a mixed dish or a medley, and the idiom "per saturam" means confusingly. ... Roman ... Roman...
Sailing to Ithaca Hillel Halkin I first set foot on the island of Ithaca by swimming ashore. This was not how it was done by Odysseus, who was carried from a...
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Mary Harrsch
presencefrom...
Jan 4, 2006 11:12 pm
I thought this was interesting: http://www.utexas.edu/courses/rome/210reasons.html - Libitina Mary Harrsch Network & Information Systems Manager College of...
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Anca R
ancax2003
Jan 4, 2006 11:21 pm
From what I saw, I think some of the reasons listed are contradictory. First, slavery is listed as a reason, later the abolition of slavery. Besides, they need...
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Mary Harrsch
presencefrom...
Jan 5, 2006 12:42 am
I was researching the Battle of the Milvian Bridge this afternoon and came across a source that said the Battle of Frigidus was as important as the battle of...
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pete fergus
gwangicomics
Jan 5, 2006 5:28 pm
Homosexuality? I'd like to see THAT one explained. Mary Harrsch <mharrsch@...> wrote: I thought this was interesting: ...
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Michael Mccarthy
sokar90805
Jan 5, 2006 6:59 pm
<<Homosexuality? I'd like to see THAT one explained.>> UNless someone is grinding the morality ax, I would suspect that declining population would be the...
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DKM
dkmfwtx
Jan 5, 2006 8:00 pm
Having looked at the list, I'm not sure they are saying these are the 210 reasons for the fall of the Empire as much as these are 210 reason that have been...
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greg carroll
gregcarroll_...
Jan 5, 2006 9:58 pm
Ditto; I was a bit disappointed, I had assumed there would at a thumbnail sumary of each reason on the list, rather just a bare list. Heck my 12 year old could...
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Volker Bach
carlton_bach
Jan 5, 2006 10:26 pm
Am Donnerstag, 5. Januar 2006 21:12 schrieb greg carroll:
> Ditto;
> I was a bit disappointed, I had assumed there would at a thumbnail sumary
> of each...
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Kim P. Noyes
kimusinteruptus
Jan 6, 2006 12:35 am
My guess would be that homosexual Romans weren't typically "breeders"; so each non-breeding Roman in his own way would contribute to a fewer Romans to...
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robert-blau@...
rb2717
Jan 6, 2006 4:00 pm
Not that there's anything WRONG with it. From: "Kim P. Noyes" <kimnoyes@...> My guess would be that homosexual Romans weren't typically...
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Kim P. Noyes
kimusinteruptus
Jan 6, 2006 5:26 pm
Nor to say that their isn't anything wrong with it, either. I don't care to moralize about it one way or the other. Both sides of the issue are represented on...
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William Pearson
riffrafftx
Jan 6, 2006 5:48 pm
I think that this list is somewhat outdated from modern viewpoints. These days it seems that more and more people are shifting to the notion that the Roman...
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Mary Asatruar
asawoman
Jan 6, 2006 6:01 pm
Lets hope any potential discussions on homosexuality end right here and now as this is not the appropriate place to discuss this matter. We all have our...
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DKM
dkmfwtx
Jan 6, 2006 6:02 pm
I might be out of place, but I think he was just using an old Seinfeld line as joke. "Kim P. Noyes" <kimnoyes@...> wrote: Nor to say that their isn't...
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Michael Mccarthy
sokar90805
Jan 6, 2006 11:38 pm
<<think that this list is somewhat outdated from modern viewpoints. These days it seems that more and more people are shifting to the notion that the Roman...
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lucius.graecus
Jan 7, 2006 12:12 am
Happy New Year everyone! Thank you for sharing that, Mary- very interesting. Like another poster mentioned, I'd be interested in more detail in places. Not to...
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lucius.graecus
Jan 7, 2006 12:41 am
At this very moment, I am listening to a great interview with Francine Segan, a food historian, about her new book "The Philosopher's Kitchen." I have not seen...
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Michael Mccarthy
sokar90805
Jan 7, 2006 1:55 am
<<It appears to me that Roman declines were evident during times of mixed beliefs.>> AT the risk of sounding cynical, I think you have cause and effect ...
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Kim P. Noyes
kimusinteruptus
Jan 7, 2006 8:10 am
Oh, I'm sorry. I never really watched that show even though now that you mention it I recall seeing him say that once about this subject matter. If I missed a...
