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... VJ: Well, that is a moot point, Mr Meadows. His epigrams were certainly mocking and satirical in tone. ... __________________________________ Yahoo! for...
vaughan jackson
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Jan 1, 2006
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    From: vaughan jackson <vaughanjackson@...> david meadows <rogueclassicist@...> wrote: But technically speaking, Martial isn't writing...
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Why is it a moot point? Satire is a genre of ancient Roman literature which has a moral/moralizing quality to it; epigrams can be 'satiric' and from time to...
David Meadows
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Jan 2, 2006
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... By the same token, if someone asserts that a hyena might be 'dog-like', does he thereby assert that the hyena IS a dog? No of course not. The same thought...
David Meadows
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Jan 2, 2006
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... Martial's epigrams to be part of that amorphous body called "satire" is debateable, hence a moot point. __________________________________ Yahoo! for...
vaughan jackson
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... ... ??? I'm really not sure of the point you're trying to make, if any. Near as I can tell, by claiming something as a 'moot point' you've taken the ...
david meadows
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... VJ: David, I wasnt claiming Roman satire is an amorphous body; obviously, it is a limited corpus of ouvres. I was claiming that "satire" is amorphous. And...
vaughan jackson
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Jan 3, 2006
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You're confusing modern and ancient (Roman) notions of what satire is. Roman satire has a didactic element to it; it's not just 'mocking'. It is not ...
david meadows
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Jan 3, 2006
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And don't forget, "satura" can also mean a mixed dish or a medley, and the idiom "per saturam" means confusingly. ... Roman ... Roman...
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Jan 3, 2006
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http://www.textkit.com/   http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cache/perscoll_Greco-Roman.html#text1...
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Jan 4, 2006
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Sailing to Ithaca Hillel Halkin I first set foot on the island of Ithaca by swimming ashore. This was not how it was done by Odysseus, who was carried from a...
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Jan 4, 2006
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I thought this was interesting: http://www.utexas.edu/courses/rome/210reasons.html - Libitina Mary Harrsch Network & Information Systems Manager College of...
Mary Harrsch
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Jan 4, 2006
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From what I saw, I think some of the reasons listed are contradictory. First, slavery is listed as a reason, later the abolition of slavery. Besides, they need...
Anca R
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Jan 4, 2006
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I was researching the Battle of the Milvian Bridge this afternoon and came across a source that said the Battle of Frigidus was as important as the battle of...
Mary Harrsch
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Jan 5, 2006
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Homosexuality? I'd like to see THAT one explained. Mary Harrsch <mharrsch@...> wrote: I thought this was interesting: ...
pete fergus
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Jan 5, 2006
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<<Homosexuality? I'd like to see THAT one explained.>> UNless someone is grinding the morality ax, I would suspect that declining population would be the...
Michael Mccarthy
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Jan 5, 2006
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Having looked at the list, I'm not sure they are saying these are the 210 reasons for the fall of the Empire as much as these are 210 reason that have been...
DKM
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Jan 5, 2006
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Ditto; I was a bit disappointed, I had assumed there would at a thumbnail sumary of each reason on the list, rather just a bare list. Heck my 12 year old could...
greg carroll
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Am Donnerstag, 5. Januar 2006 21:12 schrieb greg carroll: > Ditto; > I was a bit disappointed, I had assumed there would at a thumbnail sumary > of each...
Volker Bach
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My guess would be that homosexual Romans weren't typically "breeders" so each non-breeding Roman in his own way would contribute to a fewer Romans to...
Kim P. Noyes
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Jan 6, 2006
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Not that there's anything WRONG with it.    From: "Kim P. Noyes" <kimnoyes@...> My guess would be that homosexual Romans weren't typically...
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Nor to say that their isn't anything wrong with it, either. I don't care to moralize about it one way or the other. Both sides of the issue are represented on...
Kim P. Noyes
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I think that this list is somewhat outdated from modern viewpoints. These days it seems that more and more people are shifting to the notion that the Roman...
William Pearson
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Jan 6, 2006
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Lets hope any potential discussions on homosexuality end right here and now as this is not the appropriate place to discuss this matter. We all have our...
Mary Asatruar
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I might be out of place, but I think he was just using an old Seinfeld line as joke. "Kim P. Noyes" <kimnoyes@...> wrote: Nor to say that their isn't...
DKM
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<<think that this list is somewhat outdated from modern viewpoints. These days it seems that more and more people are shifting to the notion that the Roman...
Michael Mccarthy
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Jan 6, 2006
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Happy New Year everyone! Thank you for sharing that, Mary- very interesting. Like another poster mentioned, I'd be interested in more detail in places. Not to...
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Jan 7, 2006
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At this very moment, I am listening to a great interview with Francine Segan, a food historian, about her new book "The Philosopher's Kitchen." I have not seen...
lucius.graecus
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Jan 7, 2006
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<<It appears to me that Roman declines were evident during times of mixed beliefs.>> AT the risk of sounding cynical, I think you have cause and effect ...
Michael Mccarthy
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Oh, I'm sorry. I never really watched that show even though now that you mention it I recall seeing him say that once about this subject matter. If I missed a...
Kim P. Noyes
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