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--- Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@...> wrote:
> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:06:17 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@...>
> Subject: RE: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Hello and other stuff
> To: no_reply@...
>
> Temperature problem almost certainly the thermostat, it should regulate
> to
> maintain constant engine temperature regardless of how cold it is
> outside.
> It is important this is right since the engine is fuelled according to
> temperature (amungst other things) so a cold engine will be over
> fuelled,
> not only is this inefficient but it does the cat no favours.
>
> The oil pressure is derived from a gear pump driven by the engine so the
> faster the engine goes the more pressure you get until the relief valve
> lifts limiting the pressure. So lower pressure at tickover is normal but
> it should not be so low as to put the light on, I would be concerned
> about
> this especially at this time of year when the oil is colder and thicker
> which usually keeps higher pressure especially at lower engine speed.
> There are several areas to check,
> Wrong grade oil, too low viscosity?
> Faulty readings on gauge and light?
> Clogged oil filter?
> Worst case senario - big end and main bearings worn out.
> You don't want to go there just yet (and hopefully not at all), I would
> check the gauge by comparing readings in the car with a propor capillary
> gauge. I'm not sure what the minumum figure for your engine is but
> providing it does'nt drop below about 15-20psi at tick over hot you've
> not
> much to worry about.
>
> Hope that helps
>
> Ashley.
>
>  --- Andrew Jackson <andrewjackson@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Marc,
> >
> > I am no expert on cars, but I think the temperature could be a
> > thermostat? I might be wrong and my XJS does the same with the oil
> > pressure, when the engine is idle there isn't as much pressure as when
> > its driving, I think its normal but not 100% sure..
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marc [mailto:axemanuk@...]
> > Sent: 01 March 2005 14:40
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> > Subject: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Hello and other stuff
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> > Hi Everyone,
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> > I am the proud owner of a 94 Jaguar Sovereign 4.0. Could any kind
> > soul offer help on the following queries???
> >
> > 1. When driving on the motorway in these cold conditions the temp
> > guage tends to plummet rapidly until the needle is right over to the
> > left reading cold. The heater does not get as hot as it should at
> > that point and the dreaded "Check Engine" light comes on. I guess a
> > radiator blind fitted to the front of the car would help with this
> > but I cannot believe that the was not designer to cope with the
> > temperatures we have had lately without this course of action.
> > Incidentally, if one stops the car for a few mins then sets off
> > again, the check engine light goes out, but you do have to turn the
> > engine off and start her up again.
> >
> > 2. The oil guage fluctuates almost in direct relation to the amount
> > of revs the engine is doing. In normal driving conditions the needle
> > sits happily at 12 o clock or 1 o clock. When sat in traffic, at
> > lights or when crawling in a jam the needle sometimes drops down as
> > far to the left as it can, sometimes even showing a oil warning
> > light. These oddities all go away when the revs are up again.
> > Naturally I have checked the oil on the dipstick and it's always
> > perfectly ok in terms of level.
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#69

From: "Marc" <axemanuk@...>
Date: Fri Apr 8, 2005 1:18 am
Subject: Disaster! Help required Urgently! :-(

axemanuk

Hi All,

Drove to work the other day, car ran like a dream. Went to start her that night
and all she
would do is turn over but not fire. AA arrived, pulled rubber bungs out of spark
plug holes
to find oil in pots 1,2 and 6. NOTE: Oil was ON TOP of the plugs not in the
bores
themselves. Removed and cleaned plugs, turned engine over.... Still wouldn't
fire.
Removed bungs again and again oil all over 1,2 & 6 plugs. The coil was fine and
producing
a good spark.

Yesterday had Rocker Cover Gasket repaired. I wasn't here but guy said he
replaced plugs,
oil, filter and gasket. Turned key and she fired up first time. After 10 or 20
seconds she
cut out and has not started since. She turns over but doesn't start. The clown
then cleared
off to another job leaving me with a flat battery and a number for his mate who
claimed to
be an auto electrician.

Along comes idiot number two who tinkers for 20 minutes then leaves. This "Auto
Electrician" had no jump leads or power pack but called me to say "I by-passed
your
immobiliser so it should work now!!" I went to jump it tonite but needless to
say it failed to
start. He charged my wife �20 for that by the way! Oh, I think his thought
process was that
the immobiliser was faulty and therefore cutting out the fuel pump.

SO.... net result, I am down �150 and my beloved Jag still sits outside dead.
She is a K (93)
XJ6 4.0 litre Sovereign. I am in the Manchester area. Does anyone have any ideas
at all or
know a mechanic in this neck of the woods who has not been lobotomised? I am
totally
desperate now. I am stuffed without the car.

A mate did offer a small piece of advice tonite. he said that it was unusual for
the rocker
gasket to go and that it might have something to do with a Pressure Valve in the
oil
system. I had been aware of the oil pressure fluctuating between good (12-1 O
Clock)
when driving along to OCCASIONALLY dropping right down into the red when
stationary at
lights with the footbrake on. He seemed to think it was possible that this sump
valve may
be playing up causing the release of oil at the top. NOTE: When the plugs were
removed
from the bore by the AA guy, the electrodes (ie everything inside the bore) was
dry and
normal.

If any kind soul has any word of advice I would be happy to hear from you day or
night on
07736-847128.

Many Thanks All!

Mark

#70

From: Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@...>
Date: Fri Apr 8, 2005 3:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Disaster! Help required Urgently! :-(

ashleyjweston

Mark,

Since I'm not familiar with these engines/immobaliser systems, I'd call in
at the local Jag garage (workshop not reception and try not to speak to
the boss) and casually ask if anyone does jobs at the weekends as your a
bit stuck. It might work!

--- Marc <axemanuk@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Hi All,

Drove to work the other day, car ran like a dream. Went to start her that
night and all she
would do is turn over but not fire. AA arrived, pulled rubber bungs out of
spark plug holes
to find oil in pots 1,2 and 6. NOTE: Oil was ON TOP of the plugs not in
the bores
themselves. Removed and cleaned plugs, turned engine over.... Still
wouldn't fire.
Removed bungs again and again oil all over 1,2 & 6 plugs. The coil was
fine and producing
a good spark.

Yesterday had Rocker Cover Gasket repaired. I wasn't here but guy said he
replaced plugs,
oil, filter and gasket. Turned key and she fired up first time. After 10
or 20 seconds she
cut out and has not started since. She turns over but doesn't start. The
clown then cleared
off to another job leaving me with a flat battery and a number for his
mate who claimed to
be an auto electrician.

Along comes idiot number two who tinkers for 20 minutes then leaves. This
"Auto
Electrician" had no jump leads or power pack but called me to say "I
by-passed your
immobiliser so it should work now!!" I went to jump it tonite but needless
to say it failed to
start. He charged my wife �20 for that by the way! Oh, I think his thought
process was that
the immobiliser was faulty and therefore cutting out the fuel pump.

SO.... net result, I am down �150 and my beloved Jag still sits outside
dead. She is a K (93)
XJ6 4.0 litre Sovereign. I am in the Manchester area. Does anyone have any
ideas at all or
know a mechanic in this neck of the woods who has not been lobotomised? I
am totally
desperate now. I am stuffed without the car.

A mate did offer a small piece of advice tonite. he said that it was
unusual for the rocker
gasket to go and that it might have something to do with a Pressure Valve
in the oil
system. I had been aware of the oil pressure fluctuating between good
(12-1 O Clock)
when driving along to OCCASIONALLY dropping right down into the red when
stationary at
lights with the footbrake on. He seemed to think it was possible that this
sump valve may
be playing up causing the release of oil at the top. NOTE: When the plugs
were removed
from the bore by the AA guy, the electrodes (ie everything inside the
bore) was dry and
normal.

If any kind soul has any word of advice I would be happy to hear from you
day or night on
07736-847128.

Many Thanks All!

Mark





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#71

From: "costablancabuyersagent" <costablancabuyersagent@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:15 pm
Subject: Re: Barn fresh xj12!

I know the colour well as I used to have one, is it a four speed
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<davidhodges101@y...> wrote:
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>  Hi members. I have recently found a 1975 xj12 saloon with 40k on
> the clock. It has been dry stored since 1978 and is a strange
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#72

From: "uksteve19782003" <uksteve1978@...>
Date: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:37 pm
Subject: XJ40 Oil Pressure

Hi

I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.

On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of driving
it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil and
filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and there
are no oil leaks.

Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the pump
failing?

Any help you can give would be most apprecaited!

Kind regards

Steve

Swindon - UK

#73

From: David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@...>
Date: Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] XJ40 Oil Pressure

Hi Steve sound like main bearing problems is there any nasty rattling?

uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@...> wrote:Hi

I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.

On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of driving
it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil and
filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and there
are no oil leaks.

Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the pump
failing?

Any help you can give would be most apprecaited!

Kind regards

Steve

Swindon - UK




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#74

From: "Marc" <axemanuk@...>
Date: Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:53 am
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] XJ40 Oil Pressure

axemanuk

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding Tomas
Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> Hi Steve sound like main bearing problems is there any nasty
rattling?
>
> uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Hi
>
> I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.
>
> On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of
driving
> it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil and
> filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and there
> are no oil leaks.
>
> Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the
pump
> failing?
>
> Any help you can give would be most apprecaited!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Steve
>
> Swindon - UK

Hi Guys,

I have a situation where the pressure when driving is really good (6
out of 8) but if sat in stationary traffic it drops right off and
VERY occassionally I get a warning light up for an instant. I
recently had a blown rocker gasket replaced, as well as filter,
plugs, oil etc.

There is no rattling or engine noise whatsoever and she runs like a
dream, delivering 29 to the gallon on a run. Before any long journey
I check oil levels and have to add a pint every couple of months, but
am doing 2-3k per month.

Mark

#75

From: "Marc" <axemanuk@...>
Date: Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:56 am
Subject: Parts for sale

axemanuk

I just recently stripped the interior out of a 3.2 XJ-40 1994 that I
was scrapping. I have some odds and ends to sell if anyone needs
anything. I have a complete Dash, an IMMACULATED beige rear seat with
navy piping, door cards in black etc etc.

Please call if interested.

Mark
07736-847128

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#76

From: "uksteve19782003" <uksteve1978@...>
Date: Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:16 pm
Subject: Re: XJ40 Oil Pressure

Hi David

Nope, no nasty sounds at all. The engine sounds as sweet as a nut.

Any other ideas what might be causing the problem?

Kind regards

Steve

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding Tomas
Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> Hi Steve sound like main bearing problems is there any nasty
rattling?
>
> uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Hi
>
> I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.
>
> On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of
driving
> it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil and
> filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and there
> are no oil leaks.
>
> Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the
pump
> failing?
>
> Any help you can give would be most apprecaited!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Steve
>
> Swindon - UK
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#77

From: David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@...>
Date: Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Re: XJ40 Oil Pressure

It could be a pump but then you would get some rattling at high revs all jag
engines would do this with low oil pressure. I once had a 3.4 blow on me on the
M4 the oil pressure dropped I should have stopped but in the end the car did.

then I had an early 4.2 and the pressure would drop on that when hot but never
gave me a problem in the two years I had it.

If that is the case with you I would go for sensors but please remember that the
small jag engines have always been a problem ever since the first 2.4 appeared
in 1955.

I trust this helps sincerely David

uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@...> wrote:
Hi David

Nope, no nasty sounds at all. The engine sounds as sweet as a nut.

Any other ideas what might be causing the problem?

Kind regards

Steve

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding Tomas
Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> Hi Steve sound like main bearing problems is there any nasty
rattling?
>
> uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Hi
>
> I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.
>
> On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of
driving
> it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil and
> filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and there
> are no oil leaks.
>
> Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the
pump
> failing?
>
> Any help you can give would be most apprecaited!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Steve
>
> Swindon - UK
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#78

From: Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@...>
Date: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Re: XJ40 Oil Pressure

ashleyjweston

Sorry to jump in with both feet, but before you start summising what could
be wrong pump, main bearings etc, make sure there is a problem other than
the instruments. Fit if only on a temorary basis a known good capiliary
gauge to prove the point. The senders for the fitted gauge are known not
to be accurate especially on older cars.

If there is a problem and it's main bearings you are very unlikley to hear
it but worn big ends on the other hand will be audible and all a bit
acedemic since you would only sort both out or neither in one go. If the
pump is iffy the pressure will be slow to appear when started from cold.

Ashley.

--- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@...>
wrote:

---------------------------------
It could be a pump but then you would get some rattling at high revs all
jag engines would do this with low oil pressure. I once had a 3.4 blow on
me on the M4 the oil pressure dropped I should have stopped but in the end
the car did.

then I had an early 4.2 and the pressure would drop on that when hot but
never gave me a problem in the two years I had it.

If that is the case with you I would go for sensors but please remember
that the small jag engines have always been a problem ever since the first
2.4 appeared in 1955.

I trust this helps sincerely David

uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@...> wrote:
Hi David

Nope, no nasty sounds at all. The engine sounds as sweet as a nut.

Any other ideas what might be causing the problem?

Kind regards

Steve

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding Tomas
Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> Hi Steve sound like main bearing problems is there any nasty
rattling?
>
> uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Hi
>
> I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.
>
> On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of
driving
> it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil and
> filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and there
> are no oil leaks.
>
> Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the
pump
> failing?
>
> Any help you can give would be most apprecaited!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Steve
>
> Swindon - UK
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#79

From: David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@...>
Date: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Re: XJ40 Oil Pressure

good point and well received but you would still get a deep harsh groan from the
engine under foot down circumstances at about 2500 revs if there is a crak or
bearing problem

Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@...> wrote:Sorry to jump in with both feet,
but before you start summising what could
be wrong pump, main bearings etc, make sure there is a problem other than
the instruments. Fit if only on a temorary basis a known good capiliary
gauge to prove the point. The senders for the fitted gauge are known not
to be accurate especially on older cars.

If there is a problem and it's main bearings you are very unlikley to hear
it but worn big ends on the other hand will be audible and all a bit
acedemic since you would only sort both out or neither in one go. If the
pump is iffy the pressure will be slow to appear when started from cold.

Ashley.

--- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@...>
wrote:

---------------------------------
It could be a pump but then you would get some rattling at high revs all
jag engines would do this with low oil pressure. I once had a 3.4 blow on
me on the M4 the oil pressure dropped I should have stopped but in the end
the car did.

then I had an early 4.2 and the pressure would drop on that when hot but
never gave me a problem in the two years I had it.

If that is the case with you I would go for sensors but please remember
that the small jag engines have always been a problem ever since the first
2.4 appeared in 1955.

I trust this helps sincerely David

uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@...> wrote:
Hi David

Nope, no nasty sounds at all. The engine sounds as sweet as a nut.

Any other ideas what might be causing the problem?

Kind regards

Steve

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding Tomas
Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> Hi Steve sound like main bearing problems is there any nasty
rattling?
>
> uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Hi
>
> I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.
>
> On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of
driving
> it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil and
> filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and there
> are no oil leaks.
>
> Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the
pump
> failing?
>
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>
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>
> Steve
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#80

From: Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@...>
Date: Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Re: XJ40 Oil Pressure

ashleyjweston

Perhaps! but it's still acedemic since since if there is a
pump/bearing/crank problem it will probably be cheaper to fit a known good
secondhand engine especially if your paying someone to strip and repair as
needed.

Ashley.

--- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@...>
wrote:

---------------------------------
good point and well received but you would still get a deep harsh groan
from the engine under foot down circumstances at about 2500 revs if there
is a crak or bearing problem

Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@...> wrote:Sorry to jump in with both
feet, but before you start summising what could
be wrong pump, main bearings etc, make sure there is a problem other than
the instruments. Fit if only on a temorary basis a known good capiliary
gauge to prove the point. The senders for the fitted gauge are known not
to be accurate especially on older cars.

If there is a problem and it's main bearings you are very unlikley to hear
it but worn big ends on the other hand will be audible and all a bit
acedemic since you would only sort both out or neither in one go. If the
pump is iffy the pressure will be slow to appear when started from cold.

Ashley.

--- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@...>
wrote:

---------------------------------
It could be a pump but then you would get some rattling at high revs all
jag engines would do this with low oil pressure. I once had a 3.4 blow on
me on the M4 the oil pressure dropped I should have stopped but in the end
the car did.

then I had an early 4.2 and the pressure would drop on that when hot but
never gave me a problem in the two years I had it.

If that is the case with you I would go for sensors but please remember
that the small jag engines have always been a problem ever since the first
2.4 appeared in 1955.

I trust this helps sincerely David

uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@...> wrote:
Hi David

Nope, no nasty sounds at all. The engine sounds as sweet as a nut.

Any other ideas what might be causing the problem?

Kind regards

Steve

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding Tomas
Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> Hi Steve sound like main bearing problems is there any nasty
rattling?
>
> uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Hi
>
> I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.
>
> On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of
driving
> it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil and
> filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and there
> are no oil leaks.
>
> Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the
pump
> failing?
>
> Any help you can give would be most apprecaited!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Steve
>
> Swindon - UK
>
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#81

From: "uksteve19782003" <uksteve1978@...>
Date: Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:22 pm
Subject: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Re: XJ40 Oil Pressure

Thank you all very much for your advice!

I'll investigate and let you know how it goes.

Regards

Steve

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., Ashley Weston
<ashleyjweston@y...> wrote:
> Perhaps! but it's still acedemic since since if there is a
> pump/bearing/crank problem it will probably be cheaper to fit a
known good
> secondhand engine especially if your paying someone to strip and
repair as
> needed.
>
> Ashley.
>
> --- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...>
> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> good point and well received but you would still get a deep harsh
groan
> from the engine under foot down circumstances at about 2500 revs if
there
> is a crak or bearing problem
>
> Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@y...> wrote:Sorry to jump in with both
> feet, but before you start summising what could
> be wrong pump, main bearings etc, make sure there is a problem
other than
> the instruments. Fit if only on a temorary basis a known good
capiliary
> gauge to prove the point. The senders for the fitted gauge are
known not
> to be accurate especially on older cars.
>
> If there is a problem and it's main bearings you are very unlikley
to hear
> it but worn big ends on the other hand will be audible and all a bit
> acedemic since you would only sort both out or neither in one go.
If the
> pump is iffy the pressure will be slow to appear when started from
cold.
>
> Ashley.
>
>
> --- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...>
> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> It could be a pump but then you would get some rattling at high
revs all
> jag engines would do this with low oil pressure. I once had a 3.4
blow on
> me on the M4 the oil pressure dropped I should have stopped but in
the end
> the car did.
>
> then I had an early 4.2 and the pressure would drop on that when
hot but
> never gave me a problem in the two years I had it.
>
> If that is the case with you I would go for sensors but please
remember
> that the small jag engines have always been a problem ever since
the first
> 2.4 appeared in 1955.
>
> I trust this helps sincerely David
>
> uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:
> Hi David
>
> Nope, no nasty sounds at all. The engine sounds as sweet as a nut.
>
> Any other ideas what might be causing the problem?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Steve
>
> --- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding
Tomas
> Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Steve sound like main bearing problems is there any nasty
> rattling?
> >
> > uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Hi
> >
> > I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.
> >
> > On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of
> driving
> > it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil
and
> > filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and
there
> > are no oil leaks.
> >
> > Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the
> pump
> > failing?
> >
> > Any help you can give would be most apprecaited!
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Swindon - UK
> >
> >
> >
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#82

From: David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@...>
Date: Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Re: XJ40 Oil Pressure

I would go for a regrind if it were me at least you know where you are then

uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@...> wrote:Thank you all very much for your
advice!

I'll investigate and let you know how it goes.

Regards

Steve

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., Ashley Weston
<ashleyjweston@y...> wrote:
> Perhaps! but it's still acedemic since since if there is a
> pump/bearing/crank problem it will probably be cheaper to fit a
known good
> secondhand engine especially if your paying someone to strip and
repair as
> needed.
>
> Ashley.
>
> --- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...>
> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> good point and well received but you would still get a deep harsh
groan
> from the engine under foot down circumstances at about 2500 revs if
there
> is a crak or bearing problem
>
> Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@y...> wrote:Sorry to jump in with both
> feet, but before you start summising what could
> be wrong pump, main bearings etc, make sure there is a problem
other than
> the instruments. Fit if only on a temorary basis a known good
capiliary
> gauge to prove the point. The senders for the fitted gauge are
known not
> to be accurate especially on older cars.
>
> If there is a problem and it's main bearings you are very unlikley
to hear
> it but worn big ends on the other hand will be audible and all a bit
> acedemic since you would only sort both out or neither in one go.
If the
> pump is iffy the pressure will be slow to appear when started from
cold.
>
> Ashley.
>
>
> --- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...>
> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> It could be a pump but then you would get some rattling at high
revs all
> jag engines would do this with low oil pressure. I once had a 3.4
blow on
> me on the M4 the oil pressure dropped I should have stopped but in
the end
> the car did.
>
> then I had an early 4.2 and the pressure would drop on that when
hot but
> never gave me a problem in the two years I had it.
>
> If that is the case with you I would go for sensors but please
remember
> that the small jag engines have always been a problem ever since
the first
> 2.4 appeared in 1955.
>
> I trust this helps sincerely David
>
> uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:
> Hi David
>
> Nope, no nasty sounds at all. The engine sounds as sweet as a nut.
>
> Any other ideas what might be causing the problem?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Steve
>
> --- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding
Tomas
> Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Steve sound like main bearing problems is there any nasty
> rattling?
> >
> > uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Hi
> >
> > I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.
> >
> > On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of
> driving
> > it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil
and
> > filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and
there
> > are no oil leaks.
> >
> > Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the
> pump
> > failing?
> >
> > Any help you can give would be most apprecaited!
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Swindon - UK
> >
> >
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#83

From: "uksteve19782003" <uksteve1978@...>
Date: Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:56 pm
Subject: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Re: XJ40 Oil Pressure

Hi all

Bit more information, it might help clarify the problem:

Have been out in the car today and as before it starts off with great
pressure. After a few miles, when hot, it falls back to zero and the
light comes on.

Under 2500 revs it remains on zero (or near as possible). At 2500
revs or above the pressue returns to normal, 4 or 5 on the gauge. As
before, there are no strange noises at all, the engine sounds
fantastic at all revs.

This may be a stupid question but I guess it's worth asking - is it
at all possible for the pump to be "slipping"? I'm not sure how it's
driven by the engine, or perhaps the impellor is slipping on the
shaft?

Where is the oil pump situated? I can't see any obvious location,
perhaps it's in the sump?

Again, all help is very much appreciated.

Kind regards

Steve

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding Tomas
Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> I would go for a regrind if it were me at least you know where you
are then
>
> uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Thank you all very much
for your advice!
>
> I'll investigate and let you know how it goes.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve
>
> --- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., Ashley Weston
> <ashleyjweston@y...> wrote:
> > Perhaps! but it's still acedemic since since if there is a
> > pump/bearing/crank problem it will probably be cheaper to fit a
> known good
> > secondhand engine especially if your paying someone to strip and
> repair as
> > needed.
> >
> > Ashley.
> >
> > --- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > good point and well received but you would still get a deep harsh
> groan
> > from the engine under foot down circumstances at about 2500 revs
if
> there
> > is a crak or bearing problem
> >
> > Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@y...> wrote:Sorry to jump in with
both
> > feet, but before you start summising what could
> > be wrong pump, main bearings etc, make sure there is a problem
> other than
> > the instruments. Fit if only on a temorary basis a known good
> capiliary
> > gauge to prove the point. The senders for the fitted gauge are
> known not
> > to be accurate especially on older cars.
> >
> > If there is a problem and it's main bearings you are very
unlikley
> to hear
> > it but worn big ends on the other hand will be audible and all a
bit
> > acedemic since you would only sort both out or neither in one go.
> If the
> > pump is iffy the pressure will be slow to appear when started
from
> cold.
> >
> > Ashley.
> >
> >
> > --- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > It could be a pump but then you would get some rattling at high
> revs all
> > jag engines would do this with low oil pressure. I once had a 3.4
> blow on
> > me on the M4 the oil pressure dropped I should have stopped but
in
> the end
> > the car did.
> >
> > then I had an early 4.2 and the pressure would drop on that when
> hot but
> > never gave me a problem in the two years I had it.
> >
> > If that is the case with you I would go for sensors but please
> remember
> > that the small jag engines have always been a problem ever since
> the first
> > 2.4 appeared in 1955.
> >
> > I trust this helps sincerely David
> >
> > uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:
> > Hi David
> >
> > Nope, no nasty sounds at all. The engine sounds as sweet as a nut.
> >
> > Any other ideas what might be causing the problem?
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > --- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding
> Tomas
> > Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi Steve sound like main bearing problems is there any nasty
> > rattling?
> > >
> > > uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Hi
> > >
> > > I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.
> > >
> > > On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of
> > driving
> > > it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil
> and
> > > filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and
> there
> > > are no oil leaks.
> > >
> > > Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the
> > pump
> > > failing?
> > >
> > > Any help you can give would be most apprecaited!
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > Swindon - UK
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#84

From: Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@...>
Date: Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Re: XJ40 Oil Pressure

ashleyjweston

Sounds even more like an instrument/sender problem, as before check
against a known capilary gauge.

Ashley.

--- uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
Hi all

Bit more information, it might help clarify the problem:

Have been out in the car today and as before it starts off with great
pressure. After a few miles, when hot, it falls back to zero and the
light comes on.

Under 2500 revs it remains on zero (or near as possible). At 2500
revs or above the pressue returns to normal, 4 or 5 on the gauge. As
before, there are no strange noises at all, the engine sounds
fantastic at all revs.

This may be a stupid question but I guess it's worth asking - is it
at all possible for the pump to be "slipping"? I'm not sure how it's
driven by the engine, or perhaps the impellor is slipping on the
shaft?

Where is the oil pump situated? I can't see any obvious location,
perhaps it's in the sump?

Again, all help is very much appreciated.

Kind regards

Steve

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding Tomas
Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> I would go for a regrind if it were me at least you know where you
are then
>
> uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Thank you all very much
for your advice!
>
> I'll investigate and let you know how it goes.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve
>
> --- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., Ashley Weston
> <ashleyjweston@y...> wrote:
> > Perhaps! but it's still acedemic since since if there is a
> > pump/bearing/crank problem it will probably be cheaper to fit a
> known good
> > secondhand engine especially if your paying someone to strip and
> repair as
> > needed.
> >
> > Ashley.
> >
> > --- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > good point and well received but you would still get a deep harsh
> groan
> > from the engine under foot down circumstances at about 2500 revs
if
> there
> > is a crak or bearing problem
> >
> > Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@y...> wrote:Sorry to jump in with
both
> > feet, but before you start summising what could
> > be wrong pump, main bearings etc, make sure there is a problem
> other than
> > the instruments. Fit if only on a temorary basis a known good
> capiliary
> > gauge to prove the point. The senders for the fitted gauge are
> known not
> > to be accurate especially on older cars.
> >
> > If there is a problem and it's main bearings you are very
unlikley
> to hear
> > it but worn big ends on the other hand will be audible and all a
bit
> > acedemic since you would only sort both out or neither in one go.
> If the
> > pump is iffy the pressure will be slow to appear when started
from
> cold.
> >
> > Ashley.
> >
> >
> > --- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > It could be a pump but then you would get some rattling at high
> revs all
> > jag engines would do this with low oil pressure. I once had a 3.4
> blow on
> > me on the M4 the oil pressure dropped I should have stopped but
in
> the end
> > the car did.
> >
> > then I had an early 4.2 and the pressure would drop on that when
> hot but
> > never gave me a problem in the two years I had it.
> >
> > If that is the case with you I would go for sensors but please
> remember
> > that the small jag engines have always been a problem ever since
> the first
> > 2.4 appeared in 1955.
> >
> > I trust this helps sincerely David
> >
> > uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:
> > Hi David
> >
> > Nope, no nasty sounds at all. The engine sounds as sweet as a nut.
> >
> > Any other ideas what might be causing the problem?
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > --- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding
> Tomas
> > Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi Steve sound like main bearing problems is there any nasty
> > rattling?
> > >
> > > uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Hi
> > >
> > > I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.
> > >
> > > On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of
> > driving
> > > it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil
> and
> > > filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and
> there
> > > are no oil leaks.
> > >
> > > Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the
> > pump
> > > failing?
> > >
> > > Any help you can give would be most apprecaited!
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > Swindon - UK
> > >
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From: David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@...>
Date: Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Re: XJ40 Oil Pressure

nope must disagree theis is a common fault of worn bearing

Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@...> wrote:Sounds even more like an
instrument/sender problem, as before check
against a known capilary gauge.

Ashley.

--- uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
Hi all

Bit more information, it might help clarify the problem:

Have been out in the car today and as before it starts off with great
pressure. After a few miles, when hot, it falls back to zero and the
light comes on.

Under 2500 revs it remains on zero (or near as possible). At 2500
revs or above the pressue returns to normal, 4 or 5 on the gauge. As
before, there are no strange noises at all, the engine sounds
fantastic at all revs.

This may be a stupid question but I guess it's worth asking - is it
at all possible for the pump to be "slipping"? I'm not sure how it's
driven by the engine, or perhaps the impellor is slipping on the
shaft?

Where is the oil pump situated? I can't see any obvious location,
perhaps it's in the sump?

Again, all help is very much appreciated.

Kind regards

Steve

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding Tomas
Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> I would go for a regrind if it were me at least you know where you
are then
>
> uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Thank you all very much
for your advice!
>
> I'll investigate and let you know how it goes.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve
>
> --- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., Ashley Weston
> <ashleyjweston@y...> wrote:
> > Perhaps! but it's still acedemic since since if there is a
> > pump/bearing/crank problem it will probably be cheaper to fit a
> known good
> > secondhand engine especially if your paying someone to strip and
> repair as
> > needed.
> >
> > Ashley.
> >
> > --- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > good point and well received but you would still get a deep harsh
> groan
> > from the engine under foot down circumstances at about 2500 revs
if
> there
> > is a crak or bearing problem
> >
> > Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@y...> wrote:Sorry to jump in with
both
> > feet, but before you start summising what could
> > be wrong pump, main bearings etc, make sure there is a problem
> other than
> > the instruments. Fit if only on a temorary basis a known good
> capiliary
> > gauge to prove the point. The senders for the fitted gauge are
> known not
> > to be accurate especially on older cars.
> >
> > If there is a problem and it's main bearings you are very
unlikley
> to hear
> > it but worn big ends on the other hand will be audible and all a
bit
> > acedemic since you would only sort both out or neither in one go.
> If the
> > pump is iffy the pressure will be slow to appear when started
from
> cold.
> >
> > Ashley.
> >
> >
> > --- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > It could be a pump but then you would get some rattling at high
> revs all
> > jag engines would do this with low oil pressure. I once had a 3.4
> blow on
> > me on the M4 the oil pressure dropped I should have stopped but
in
> the end
> > the car did.
> >
> > then I had an early 4.2 and the pressure would drop on that when
> hot but
> > never gave me a problem in the two years I had it.
> >
> > If that is the case with you I would go for sensors but please
> remember
> > that the small jag engines have always been a problem ever since
> the first
> > 2.4 appeared in 1955.
> >
> > I trust this helps sincerely David
> >
> > uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:
> > Hi David
> >
> > Nope, no nasty sounds at all. The engine sounds as sweet as a nut.
> >
> > Any other ideas what might be causing the problem?
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > --- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding
> Tomas
> > Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi Steve sound like main bearing problems is there any nasty
> > rattling?
> > >
> > > uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Hi
> > >
> > > I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.
> > >
> > > On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of
> > driving
> > > it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil
> and
> > > filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and
> there
> > > are no oil leaks.
> > >
> > > Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the
> > pump
> > > failing?
> > >
> > > Any help you can give would be most apprecaited!
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > Swindon - UK
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#86

From: Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@...>
Date: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:47 pm
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Re: XJ40 Oil Pressure

ashleyjweston

Ok supposing your right (and I'm really not convinced) to fit a temparary
gauge would settle it and it is easier to to that then strip the engine.
Or look at it a different way, would you be happy if you stripped the
engine only to discover there was an instrument fault?

--- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@...>
wrote:


---------------------------------
nope must disagree theis is a common fault of worn bearing

Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@...> wrote:Sounds even more like an
instrument/sender problem, as before check
against a known capilary gauge.

Ashley.

--- uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
Hi all

Bit more information, it might help clarify the problem:

Have been out in the car today and as before it starts off with great
pressure. After a few miles, when hot, it falls back to zero and the
light comes on.

Under 2500 revs it remains on zero (or near as possible). At 2500
revs or above the pressue returns to normal, 4 or 5 on the gauge. As
before, there are no strange noises at all, the engine sounds
fantastic at all revs.

This may be a stupid question but I guess it's worth asking - is it
at all possible for the pump to be "slipping"? I'm not sure how it's
driven by the engine, or perhaps the impellor is slipping on the
shaft?

Where is the oil pump situated? I can't see any obvious location,
perhaps it's in the sump?

Again, all help is very much appreciated.

Kind regards

Steve

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding Tomas
Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> I would go for a regrind if it were me at least you know where you
are then
>
> uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Thank you all very much
for your advice!
>
> I'll investigate and let you know how it goes.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve
>
> --- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., Ashley Weston
> <ashleyjweston@y...> wrote:
> > Perhaps! but it's still acedemic since since if there is a
> > pump/bearing/crank problem it will probably be cheaper to fit a
> known good
> > secondhand engine especially if your paying someone to strip and
> repair as
> > needed.
> >
> > Ashley.
> >
> > --- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > good point and well received but you would still get a deep harsh
> groan
> > from the engine under foot down circumstances at about 2500 revs
if
> there
> > is a crak or bearing problem
> >
> > Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@y...> wrote:Sorry to jump in with
both
> > feet, but before you start summising what could
> > be wrong pump, main bearings etc, make sure there is a problem
> other than
> > the instruments. Fit if only on a temorary basis a known good
> capiliary
> > gauge to prove the point. The senders for the fitted gauge are
> known not
> > to be accurate especially on older cars.
> >
> > If there is a problem and it's main bearings you are very
unlikley
> to hear
> > it but worn big ends on the other hand will be audible and all a
bit
> > acedemic since you would only sort both out or neither in one go.
> If the
> > pump is iffy the pressure will be slow to appear when started
from
> cold.
> >
> > Ashley.
> >
> >
> > --- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > It could be a pump but then you would get some rattling at high
> revs all
> > jag engines would do this with low oil pressure. I once had a 3.4
> blow on
> > me on the M4 the oil pressure dropped I should have stopped but
in
> the end
> > the car did.
> >
> > then I had an early 4.2 and the pressure would drop on that when
> hot but
> > never gave me a problem in the two years I had it.
> >
> > If that is the case with you I would go for sensors but please
> remember
> > that the small jag engines have always been a problem ever since
> the first
> > 2.4 appeared in 1955.
> >
> > I trust this helps sincerely David
> >
> > uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:
> > Hi David
> >
> > Nope, no nasty sounds at all. The engine sounds as sweet as a nut.
> >
> > Any other ideas what might be causing the problem?
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > --- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding
> Tomas
> > Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi Steve sound like main bearing problems is there any nasty
> > rattling?
> > >
> > > uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Hi
> > >
> > > I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.
> > >
> > > On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of
> > driving
> > > it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil
> and
> > > filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and
> there
> > > are no oil leaks.
> > >
> > > Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the
> > pump
> > > failing?
> > >
> > > Any help you can give would be most apprecaited!
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > Swindon - UK
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#87

From: David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@...>
Date: Sun Jun 26, 2005 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Re: XJ40 Oil Pressure

I am just talking from experience-----you could probably borrow a gauge from a
scrappy and that would be that

Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@...> wrote:Ok supposing your right (and I'm
really not convinced) to fit a temparary
gauge would settle it and it is easier to to that then strip the engine.
Or look at it a different way, would you be happy if you stripped the
engine only to discover there was an instrument fault?

--- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@...>
wrote:


---------------------------------
nope must disagree theis is a common fault of worn bearing

Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@...> wrote:Sounds even more like an
instrument/sender problem, as before check
against a known capilary gauge.

Ashley.

--- uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
Hi all

Bit more information, it might help clarify the problem:

Have been out in the car today and as before it starts off with great
pressure. After a few miles, when hot, it falls back to zero and the
light comes on.

Under 2500 revs it remains on zero (or near as possible). At 2500
revs or above the pressue returns to normal, 4 or 5 on the gauge. As
before, there are no strange noises at all, the engine sounds
fantastic at all revs.

This may be a stupid question but I guess it's worth asking - is it
at all possible for the pump to be "slipping"? I'm not sure how it's
driven by the engine, or perhaps the impellor is slipping on the
shaft?

Where is the oil pump situated? I can't see any obvious location,
perhaps it's in the sump?

Again, all help is very much appreciated.

Kind regards

Steve

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding Tomas
Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> I would go for a regrind if it were me at least you know where you
are then
>
> uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Thank you all very much
for your advice!
>
> I'll investigate and let you know how it goes.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve
>
> --- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., Ashley Weston
> <ashleyjweston@y...> wrote:
> > Perhaps! but it's still acedemic since since if there is a
> > pump/bearing/crank problem it will probably be cheaper to fit a
> known good
> > secondhand engine especially if your paying someone to strip and
> repair as
> > needed.
> >
> > Ashley.
> >
> > --- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > good point and well received but you would still get a deep harsh
> groan
> > from the engine under foot down circumstances at about 2500 revs
if
> there
> > is a crak or bearing problem
> >
> > Ashley Weston <ashleyjweston@y...> wrote:Sorry to jump in with
both
> > feet, but before you start summising what could
> > be wrong pump, main bearings etc, make sure there is a problem
> other than
> > the instruments. Fit if only on a temorary basis a known good
> capiliary
> > gauge to prove the point. The senders for the fitted gauge are
> known not
> > to be accurate especially on older cars.
> >
> > If there is a problem and it's main bearings you are very
unlikley
> to hear
> > it but worn big ends on the other hand will be audible and all a
bit
> > acedemic since you would only sort both out or neither in one go.
> If the
> > pump is iffy the pressure will be slow to appear when started
from
> cold.
> >
> > Ashley.
> >
> >
> > --- David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > It could be a pump but then you would get some rattling at high
> revs all
> > jag engines would do this with low oil pressure. I once had a 3.4
> blow on
> > me on the M4 the oil pressure dropped I should have stopped but
in
> the end
> > the car did.
> >
> > then I had an early 4.2 and the pressure would drop on that when
> hot but
> > never gave me a problem in the two years I had it.
> >
> > If that is the case with you I would go for sensors but please
> remember
> > that the small jag engines have always been a problem ever since
> the first
> > 2.4 appeared in 1955.
> >
> > I trust this helps sincerely David
> >
> > uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:
> > Hi David
> >
> > Nope, no nasty sounds at all. The engine sounds as sweet as a nut.
> >
> > Any other ideas what might be causing the problem?
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > --- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., David Harding
> Tomas
> > Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi Steve sound like main bearing problems is there any nasty
> > rattling?
> > >
> > > uksteve19782003 <uksteve1978@h...> wrote:Hi
> > >
> > > I have a 1993 3.2 litre Sovereign with an oil pressure problem.
> > >
> > > On start-up the pressure is fine, but after about 15 mins of
> > driving
> > > it drops right off and the oil warning light comes on. The oil
> and
> > > filter have just been changed (was happening before this) and
> there
> > > are no oil leaks.
> > >
> > > Could it be a sensor problem or something more serious like the
> > pump
> > > failing?
> > >
> > > Any help you can give would be most apprecaited!
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > Swindon - UK
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#88

From: "ALASDAIR HUDSON" <caravans_98@...>
Date: Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:16 am
Subject: Re: Parts for sale

CARAVANS_98

I need a rear bumper and an ariel.

Can you please help

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#89

From: "DEREK SUTTON" <derek.sutton@...>
Date: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:56 am
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Re: Parts for sale

touchfinder2002

Hi Alasdair,

I have bought numerous parts (including a rear bumper) on e-bay.

Best of luck,

Derek
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#90

From: "paul_j_graham" <paul_j_graham@...>
Date: Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:09 pm
Subject: sereis 1 XJ 6

paul_j_graham

hi dose any one know any good site for series 1 XJ6's

#91

From: "jensenv82003" <jensenv82003@...>
Date: Thu Sep 1, 2005 11:31 am
Subject: What XJ to buy

jensenv82003

Hello, I am looking for another Jaguar in the near future. I have
previously owned a series 3 xj6, a 1981/1983 XJS V12, and a xj40 3.2.
I hae about 5k to spend and it will not be my main car so mpg not
important. I have recently sold a Corvette (very fast but abit flash/
only 2 seats). I enjoyed the performance, so I want a quick Jaguar,
but I also want it to be as diy friendly as can be. The cars on my my
short list are 1988 on v12 XJS (I like the later seats/wheels etc)
XJR (6 cylinder supercharged) xj12 (40 shape). I liked the
series 3 saloon but I understand the later ones suffered as a result
of emission equipment. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks Duncan

#92

From: "djwillis1964" <djwillis1964@...>
Date: Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:35 pm
Subject: XJS Convertible

djwillis1964

Hi All,
New here so hello everyone. I recently got a 92 5.3 XJS Convertible
(see album) and would like to get some trim parts (interior and
exterior). Does anyone know of any companies supplying items like the
wood for the centre console, boot lid badges etc?

#93

From: "pauline" <pauline2000xxx@...>
Date: Sat Oct 1, 2005 11:38 pm
Subject: XJS V12 6.0Ltr 1996 N REG 1996

pauline2000xxx

Hi,

i just inherited this car and wondering if anyone can tell me more
about it as i have been told its a very rare one:

eg. HOW MANY WHERE MADE?
     IS IT A CELEBRATION? SOME SAY IT IS, MOST SAY ITS NOT?

I KNOW THERE WAS A 5LTR VERSION BUT I JUST CANT SEEM TO FIND ANY INFO
ANYWHERE ON THIS VEHICLE.

#94

From: "djwillis1964" <djwillis1964@...>
Date: Sun Oct 2, 2005 6:47 am
Subject: Re: XJS V12 6.0Ltr 1996 N REG 1996

djwillis1964

Hi Pauline,
I have uploaded a file on here that is an excellent source of
information for the XJS. There was a 5.3 Litre version which is
earlier than yours. I am certain if you wade through the file(well
actually it's nore of a book) section which gives a table on how to
work out the engine and chasis numbers to determine exactly what you
have and also will give you some great tips on keeping that beautiful
car going.

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., "pauline"
<pauline2000xxx@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i just inherited this car and wondering if anyone can tell me more
> about it as i have been told its a very rare one:
>
> eg. HOW MANY WHERE MADE?
>     IS IT A CELEBRATION? SOME SAY IT IS, MOST SAY ITS NOT?
>
> I KNOW THERE WAS A 5LTR VERSION BUT I JUST CANT SEEM TO FIND ANY
INFO
> ANYWHERE ON THIS VEHICLE.

#95

From: pauline2000xxx <pauline2000xxx@...>
Date: Sun Oct 2, 2005 10:14 am
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Re: XJS V12 6.0Ltr 1996 N REG 1996

pauline2000xxx

Many thanks indeed...the information was very helpful

best regards

Pauline

djwillis1964 <djwillis1964@...> wrote:
Hi Pauline,
I have uploaded a file on here that is an excellent source of
information for the XJS. There was a 5.3 Litre version which is
earlier than yours. I am certain if you wade through the file(well
actually it's nore of a book) section which gives a table on how to
work out the engine and chasis numbers to determine exactly what you
have and also will give you some great tips on keeping that beautiful
car going.

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., "pauline"
<pauline2000xxx@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i just inherited this car and wondering if anyone can tell me more
> about it as i have been told its a very rare one:
>
> eg. HOW MANY WHERE MADE?
>     IS IT A CELEBRATION? SOME SAY IT IS, MOST SAY ITS NOT?
>
> I KNOW THERE WAS A 5LTR VERSION BUT I JUST CANT SEEM TO FIND ANY
INFO
> ANYWHERE ON THIS VEHICLE.

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#96

From: David Harding Tomas Degrothier <costablancabuyersagent@...>
Date: Sun Oct 2, 2005 11:55 am
Subject: Re: [Jaguar XJ40 XJ6 and XJS Club] Re: XJS V12 6.0Ltr 1996 N REG 1996

I missed ther file where is it plz

pauline2000xxx <pauline2000xxx@...> wrote:Many thanks indeed...the
information was very helpful

best regards

Pauline

djwillis1964 <djwillis1964@...> wrote:
Hi Pauline,
I have uploaded a file on here that is an excellent source of
information for the XJS. There was a 5.3 Litre version which is
earlier than yours. I am certain if you wade through the file(well
actually it's nore of a book) section which gives a table on how to
work out the engine and chasis numbers to determine exactly what you
have and also will give you some great tips on keeping that beautiful
car going.

--- In jaguarxj40xj6andxjsclub@..., "pauline"
<pauline2000xxx@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i just inherited this car and wondering if anyone can tell me more
> about it as i have been told its a very rare one:
>
> eg. HOW MANY WHERE MADE?
>     IS IT A CELEBRATION? SOME SAY IT IS, MOST SAY ITS NOT?
>
> I KNOW THERE WAS A 5LTR VERSION BUT I JUST CANT SEEM TO FIND ANY
INFO
> ANYWHERE ON THIS VEHICLE.

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