Are those leaflets anywhere nearby Windmill Hill?

~Rich

PS: Hello all, hope summer was good for you. Has anybody got any radio
connections
because now would be a ggod time.

Hi everybody,

long time no hear or read. What is now going on with the leaflets etc.
Are they ready? Can we get started?

When do we have the next meeting?

Thanks and greetings

Kathja

There's a cycle city stakeholder meet next week, which is probably the
only chance to see what is being planned for the £22M for cycling in
the city. I dont think the cycle team is kept involved with what the
WOEP are planning, but we try and see how central the malago is to any
cycling city.
-Josh Hart is going to propose a link between the railway path and a
route north parallel to the railway
-there's a floating pontoon from castle park to valentine bridge in
the works, for walking and cycling
-the sustrans Connect2 planning for around ashton court and the
harbour is progressing in ignorance of what the BRT plans there are

To get walk/ride use of the malago up, it needs to integrate with the
new paths being put together, either to the chocolate path or
something that connects up with temple meads and the railway path
beyond - someone can go as a representative of the malago greenway
campaign and push for it

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Pates [mailto:nick.pates@...]
Sent: 01 October 2008 10:18
To: Nick Pates
Subject: Stakeholder Group

I write to invite you to the forthcoming Stakeholder group for the
Cycling City project on Wednesday October 8th at 6pm -8.30pm at
Fairfield High School, Allfoxton Road, Horfield. I enclose a map of the
location. The reason we have changed the venue is in anticipation of
increased numbers and the non-availability of a suitable room in The
Council House on College Green.

At the meeting we would like to share with you the proposed work
programme for the project covering the whole of the Greater Bristol
area. I must advise you in advance that unfortunately the
infrastructure work programme will be pretty much set. We have
effectively brought forward projects and aspirations as identified in
both the Local Plan and the Local Transport Plan. This has been due to
the tight time line imposed on us by Cycling England and the need to get
cabinet and Cycling England approval. We have focussed our resources on
delivering the radial routes (the spokes) into key destinations such as
the city centre, the northern fringe and Hengrove Park. We have given
more weighting to infrastructure closer to the destination as this is
where the volume of cyclists is greater. There will be opportunity to
engage at the detailed consultation stage.

In terms of Smarter Choices, Bike Training and Events there is more
latitude in where we focus these funding allocations. We need to engage
with people who do not currently cycle as these primarily are the people
we need to get onto bikes. We would like to seek your view on what
supporting services we provide or type of events and where these should
be targeted. We will send you a draft agenda nearer the time.

Finally I would remind you that at the last meeting we asked you to
bring to the next meeting a non-cycling friend or someone who has only
recently taken up cycling i.e. with last 2 months. This idea came out
of one of the discussion groups. We are keen to hear the views of
non-cyclists and welcome them as part of the stakeholder group.

We would ask you to confirm attendance to Nick Pates
nick.pates@... Tel :0117 352 5736, Fax 0117 903 6830 so that
we can establish numbers for teas and coffees.

Kind regards

Joy Roy
Interim Project Manager
Cycling City

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Hi All,

Hope we can get together for the next meeting, those diggers are getting
closer....but when
is the next one?

Rich

Damn that art trail!

Missed the Transport forum myself.

Cannot find the original e-mail outlining how to post stuff up on the Malago.org
site....any
clues?

I would like to put the map with the proposed route up, I heard rumour of an
article in the
bastion of truth (Evening Post) that the RTBR was going ahead...can anybody
substantiate
this?

Rich

While everyone in the city has been distracted by the "bread and
circuses" opening of Cabot Circus, Helen Holland announced up north
that the council will be going for TIF -Transport Innovation Funding-
from central government, asking for Congestion Charging. The Evening
Post has missed this, but the civil engineers hadn't.

http://www.nce.co.uk/news/2008/09/bristol_and_bath_to_bid_for_tif.html

Now, TIF funding is what the WoEP are looking for for BRT cash. So
today's shiny piece in the Evening Post "BRT is the future", could be
related. Traffic activists always felt that the councils were going to
get their TIF funding turned down unless they promised congestion
charging, that being what the documents said they required, so this
could always have been the secret plan. Wait until the launch is
closer and announce the charging while nobody is looking, then when
the cash comes in, people wont be so unhappy with the small print.

Putting aside whether congestion charging is good or bad, it will be
unpopular, so makes for a stronger case when fighting BRT "The council
will make drivers pay 6 pounds a day to fund digging up the malago".
(I don't know what the charge will, but it doesn't matter. Indeed,
saying 10 pounds would make for a bigger headline, and if the council
are reduced to arguing numbers then its a losing battle for them: Mark
Bradshaw says "drivers will only bay four pounds to enter the C-zone"
doesnt make for a great headline with elections due next year

-steve

Just to remind you that the next campaign meeting is on Monday, 15 Sept., 7.45 in the Windmill Hill Community Association hall. We're going to be focusing on campaigning in Bedminster, but also planning the Windmill Hill campaign.

 

Hope to see you there!

Nancy

-- Kate Whittle
Somerset Co-operative Services
0117 953 2411
www.somerset.coop

Hi all,

Brilliant Saturday night on the Meadow, came back in the morning and left no
trace....apart
of course for the 9 foot diameter fire print.

Thanks to Dave and Sara for printing the A4 leaflets, going to be away for the
next meeting
myself unfortunately so is there any chance I could get any text changes for the
next 1500
print run before it goes ahead.

I can modify the design/whatever depending on what area we are targeting.

PS; Had to make up the last MACA logo..............does anyone know what it even
looks like?

Rich

----- Original Message -----

From: kathryn jefferson

To: malago@...

Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 12:32 PM

Subject: [malago] Transport Forum- consultation?

Hello!   Just a final not from me re the upcoming Transport Forum.  Is the forum a form of consultation?  Of course it is!  Albeit in some cases a very preliminary one.   The report following last year's forum stated that 'it was an opportunity for people to find out what's been going on, what's happening and what's about to happen in the world of local transport.'  It also said that there were 'two lively workshops and the return of ''Just a Transport Minute'' got people involved.'  What is the point of having workshops, getting people involved & having their say if not to consult with them?   A Bus Rapid Transport presentation was given by members of the West of England Partnership.  At the end of the presentation, we were told that our views on the system were needed.  This was followed by a BRT workshop.  At the workshop we were asked to prioritise 5 attributes of the system from a prearranged list.   In the report following the forum, under the heading How we will use the workshop results it states that 'Consultation events such as this form a significant part of the appraisal process feeding into the business case for submission to the DfT in September 2008.  This will ensure that the views of stakeholders have been considered and opportunities to enhance the project explored.  The DfT will require that key stakeholders are approached and their views considered to improve the scope of the project and address risks to delivery.'  So the forum was quite clearly used as a significant part of any consultation that's going to happen, which begs the question, will they consult further, and if they do, what form will it take and how widely will the consultation span?  Either way, I believe it's imperative that any issues the group thinks are important be raised and noted at this forum.   Interestingly, in the report, under Forum Feedback- other comments it was noted that people commented that 'facilitators of workshops need to be more independent, didn't allow open discussion.'   I hope this gives you some idea of what to expect at the upcoming forum.   I think the report I've alluded to here can be found at www.westofengland.org/transport.  If not, I have a full copy if anyone wants to see it.   Cheers,   Kathryn 'Free your mind & your ass will follow......'    Funkadelic

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Well it's a bit bloody late now isn't it? I have repeatedly asked for feedback
on the leaflet with
mute response and now comments suggesting the inaccuracy of the proposed route
come
forward after the leaflet has gone to print! The green line was as indicated on
the earliest
literature available and hence it's appearance. If it comes appearing alarmist
then so be it as
the whole proposal IS alarming. If somebody has a better idea of the proposed
route I
suggest they speak NOW.

I'm puzzled by the map which appears on the leaflet in the photos
section. The dotted green lines aren't explained - the obvious
implication is that they show the proposed route of the BRT, but this
isn't the case. As has already been said, there is no 'route' as such,
only a proposed corridor, and, in any case, it doesn't run through
Manor Woods Valley to Bishopsworth, which the map shows.

I fear that the leaflet will be open to criticism for being inaccurate
and alarmist.

André Coutanche

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Colin Brain <enscb@...> wrote:
> I've got a GPS which I plan to map the route with some time (but there is
> no chance of my doing it this week). Also the route in the original WEP
> documents is vague in places so I'm not sure you can or should be overly
> precise. A rough route drawn on a map should suffice.

I've sent Kathja the OSM map as it stands; it goes all the way from
Victoria Park to Marksbury road; apart from the (fairly complex)
attribution rules it's free to use.

Mapping the route would still be handy though

I've got a GPS which I plan to map the route with some time (but there is
no chance of my doing it this week). Also the route in the original WEP
documents is vague in places so I'm not sure you can or should be overly
precise. A rough route drawn on a map should suffice.

Colin

--On 28 August 2008 13:01 +0100 Steve Loughran <stevel@...>
wrote:

>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Kathja Aloni
> <translatekathja@...> wrote:
>> Hello there,
>>
>> Does anybody have a map which I could add to the article for the 'Bristol
>> Cyclist'? Or any idea where I could obtain one from online? I just sent
>> it out but would like to add a map.
>
> I'd be worried about sticking any OS-derived maps in print. I know
> I've done it slides and online, but the cycling campaign may be more
> worried about getting a bill from the OS. We can use openstreetmap
> data without so many restrictions (they want credit,
>
> they have a map that includes some of the path
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.43433&lon=-2.59697&zoom=16&layers=B0
> 0FTF
> which can be exported as JPEG for the article
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/export/?lat=51.43539&lon=-2.59502&zoom=16&la
> yers=B00FTF
>
> what they don't have yet is the full path; someone needs to go down
> there with a gps receiver to log the route, then do all the work of
> getting that turned into a bit of their map. Or you take their image
> and sketch and approximate line on top of it, which will do for the
> magazine
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Loughran

To: malago@...

Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:24 PM

Subject: Re: [malago] Transport forum

I think it was at last year's event that the BRT plans for the bristol
bath railway path were announced. All the local cycling activists but
terry were at a workshop, so the main participants were bus users,
who, when presented with a questionnaire "is running BRT down the path
good" mostly said yes, as they did think it was a good thing. This
response was then used as evidence of broad support later on.

Terry thinks the conflicting scheduling was a conspiracy, but I'm not
so sure, because I dont think the BRT team expected anyone to oppose
their plans.

-Steve

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Ben Barker <benbarker@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think it's a good thing that lots of people with a concern for the Malago
> are going to this transport meeting, but please do not have false
> expectations. My understanding of the meeting is that it is a regular get
> together of people with an interest in transport issues and has been going
> on for several years. It is NOT part of the consultation process (although
> an opportunity to build up allies and spread awareness) that will take place
> about transport issues in South Bristol. To describe it therefore as a
> poor sort of consultation is unfair. It's like blaming a pig for not
> singing as well as a canary. Or am I wrong?
>
> Save your paranoia (sorry judgement) until you see the terms of the real
> consultation.
>
> Cheers, Ben.
>
>

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Katja,

Why not contact me direct it'll be a lot easier than this way.
mephistos.island@...

If you look at the photos section you will see the aforementioned leaflet with
the map on it, it
shows the route extending on the left as far as Coronation Road and on the right
shows
hartcliffe and Bishopsworth but not as far as Dundry. At present we know not the
extent of
the environmental destruction anyway.

Cheers

Rich