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#45 From: "hhpja" <phil@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:46 pm
Subject: Re: Alan Gibson Hornblocks
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Hi Frank

The screws you talk about that are used to A) lock the sliders in
position while setting up the chassis, and B) fix the Rolling roads
in place. They can be replaced while in situation 'A' with M4 x 6 lg
socket grub screws. This will leave a flush face. The old ones will
of course need replacing when fitting the Rolling Roads. You will
also need a smaller Allen key. I have the screws at 20p each if you
are interested.

Regards Phil
--- In masterchassis@..., "lomas.frank"
<lomas.frank@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, when I tried it there
wasnt
> sufficient clearance between the mock axles and the slider locking
> screws to allow the frame to sit flush against the jig.
>
> As I have the 4mm (EM) version my solution was to reverse the mock
> axles and put the frame flush up against the back face of the jig
> thereby preserving the wheelbases. This gives more room for the
> soldering iron as there are no screws in the way. If I have to do
> anything similar again I would put a false back between the jig and
> frame to lend a bit more support. For each mock axle I'd drill
unused
> frame spacers from kits gone by to preserve the flexibility of the
> masterchassis.
>
> In case anyone is interested the chassis Im building is from the SE
> Finecast Flatiron kit.
>
> Regards (+thanks),
>
> Frank
>
> --- In masterchassis@..., "hhpja" <phil@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Frank
> >
> > Alan Gibson makes/made 2 types of 4mm hornblocks and I am
guessing
> you
> > are talking about the etched variety. These are the only ones on
> the
> > market, I know about, without a flange. I have used some, and yes
I
> > found them difficult as well. Difficult and time consuming to
make,
> and
> > to use on the Master Chassis. Your idea is a good one but you
have
> to
> > make the plates and clean up the chassis after use. Could you
clamp
> a
> > plate using those small pegs?, or possible push the chassis right
> up to
> > the face of the jig to solder one side, then turn the chassis
> upside
> > down (so you don't have to change the settings) and then solder
the
> > other side.
> >
> > Has anyone else any thoughts?
> >
> > Regards Phil
> > --- In masterchassis@..., "lomas.frank"
> <lomas.frank@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, my Masterchassis is making its debut and I wondered if
anyone
> has
> > > any experience of using Alan Gibson hornblocks? With there only
> being
> > > the fence and no hornguide as such has anyone any suggestions
> apart
> > > from tacking a false bearing plate to the outside of the
chassis
> > frames?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> >
>

#44 From: "lomas.frank" <lomas.frank@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:12 pm
Subject: Re: Alan Gibson Hornblocks
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Hi Phil,

Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, when I tried it there wasnt
sufficient clearance between the mock axles and the slider locking
screws to allow the frame to sit flush against the jig.

As I have the 4mm (EM) version my solution was to reverse the mock
axles and put the frame flush up against the back face of the jig
thereby preserving the wheelbases. This gives more room for the
soldering iron as there are no screws in the way. If I have to do
anything similar again I would put a false back between the jig and
frame to lend a bit more support. For each mock axle I'd drill unused
frame spacers from kits gone by to preserve the flexibility of the
masterchassis.

In case anyone is interested the chassis Im building is from the SE
Finecast Flatiron kit.

Regards (+thanks),

Frank

--- In masterchassis@..., "hhpja" <phil@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Frank
>
> Alan Gibson makes/made 2 types of 4mm hornblocks and I am guessing
you
> are talking about the etched variety. These are the only ones on
the
> market, I know about, without a flange. I have used some, and yes I
> found them difficult as well. Difficult and time consuming to make,
and
> to use on the Master Chassis. Your idea is a good one but you have
to
> make the plates and clean up the chassis after use. Could you clamp
a
> plate using those small pegs?, or possible push the chassis right
up to
> the face of the jig to solder one side, then turn the chassis
upside
> down (so you don't have to change the settings) and then solder the
> other side.
>
> Has anyone else any thoughts?
>
> Regards Phil
> --- In masterchassis@..., "lomas.frank"
<lomas.frank@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, my Masterchassis is making its debut and I wondered if anyone
has
> > any experience of using Alan Gibson hornblocks? With there only
being
> > the fence and no hornguide as such has anyone any suggestions
apart
> > from tacking a false bearing plate to the outside of the chassis
> frames?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Frank
> >
>

#43 From: "Jim Summers" <jimsummers@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:59 pm
Subject: RE: Alan Gibson Hornblocks
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I work in 4mm, and I too have used happily the High Level ones.  I've also used MJT and Kean Maygib. 
 
All seem to work, but it is important to leave enough space in the frame cut-out to allow a wee bit of manoeuvring of the hornguide support, so you can things accurately lined up on the Masterchassis.
 
Jim
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: masterchassis@... [mailto:masterchassis@...]On Behalf Of stephenhammond
Sent: 14 February 2008 11:09
To: masterchassis@...
Subject: Re: [masterchassis] Alan Gibson Hornblocks

I have had good success with the High Level fold-up hornblocks. If you also getthe (free) additional etches you can use these with piano wire for springing.
Any news on the masterchassis version?
Steve Hammond
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: [masterchassis] Alan Gibson Hornblocks

Hi, my Masterchassis is making its debut and I wondered if anyone has
any experience of using Alan Gibson hornblocks? With there only being
the fence and no hornguide as such has anyone any suggestions apart
from tacking a false bearing plate to the outside of the chassis frames?

Thanks

Frank



#42 From: "hhpja" <phil@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:19 pm
Subject: Re: Hornblocks
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I must admit that I like the High level ones. Not seen these extras
yet. I found the first attempt not quite perfect, but then they were
very quick and easy to use.

I hope to have the Hobby Holidays Ball bearing ones as samples for
Glasgow and available for S4-north.
--- In masterchassis@..., "stephenhammond"
<leescourtlodge@...> wrote:
>
>   I have had good success with the High Level fold-up hornblocks.
If you also getthe (free) additional etches you can use these with
piano wire for springing.
>   Any news on the masterchassis version?
>   Steve Hammond
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: lomas.frank
>     To: masterchassis@...
>     Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:07 PM
>     Subject: [masterchassis] Alan Gibson Hornblocks
>
>
>     Hi, my Masterchassis is making its debut and I wondered if
anyone has
>     any experience of using Alan Gibson hornblocks? With there only
being
>     the fence and no hornguide as such has anyone any suggestions
apart
>     from tacking a false bearing plate to the outside of the
chassis frames?
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Frank
>

#41 From: "stephenhammond" <leescourtlodge@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:08 am
Subject: Re: Alan Gibson Hornblocks
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I have had good success with the High Level fold-up hornblocks. If you also getthe (free) additional etches you can use these with piano wire for springing.
Any news on the masterchassis version?
Steve Hammond
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: [masterchassis] Alan Gibson Hornblocks

Hi, my Masterchassis is making its debut and I wondered if anyone has
any experience of using Alan Gibson hornblocks? With there only being
the fence and no hornguide as such has anyone any suggestions apart
from tacking a false bearing plate to the outside of the chassis frames?

Thanks

Frank



#40 From: "Dennis Mowatt" <basousanjo@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:01 am
Subject: Re: Hornblocks
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Hi Phil,

In 7mm scale - and it is important that all communications should state the
scale in which the correspondent is working, otherwise I, for one, am
unlikely to contribute - I use Slater's plastic hornblocks, ref. 7960. They
come ready to use sprung, but may be used for beam suspension. They are easy
to fit - I simply use Araldite Rapid.

I find that they meet all your criteria as stated below.

When fitting, I cut out that portion of the chassis in which the hornblock
will sit for all but one axle, leaving that one 'solid' to act as a datum
point. When the remaining axles' hornblocks are fitted I cut out for, and
fit, this last axle's hornblocks. I believe that doing it thusly ensures
that the wheelsets will be in their correct relationship to the rest of the
chassis. And doing it is a lot easier than describing it!

Regards

Dennis
----------------------------------------------------


Which are the best hornblocks?

Quick and easy to make
Easy to install
Accurate
Suitable for springing and compensation
Work well with the Master Chassis.

I have not used every type on the market yet, whats your thoughts?

Interested in all scales

Regards Phil




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#39 From: "Sandy Harper" <sandy.harper@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:04 am
Subject: Re: Hornblocks
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Try Slaters 7mm insulated. Being a hard nylon/plastic they can be attached using glue and adjusted before it sets.
 
Sandy Harper
----- Original Message -----
From: hhpja
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:23 AM
Subject: [masterchassis] Hornblocks

Which are the best hornblocks?

Quick and easy to make
Easy to install
Accurate
Suitable for springing and compensation
Work well with the Master Chassis.

I have not used every type on the market yet, whats your thoughts?

Interested in all scales

Regards Phil


#38 From: "hhpja" <phil@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:23 am
Subject: Hornblocks
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Which are the best hornblocks?

Quick and easy to make
Easy to install
Accurate
Suitable for springing and compensation
Work well with the Master Chassis.

I have not used every type on the market yet, whats your thoughts?

Interested in all scales

Regards Phil

#37 From: "hhpja" <phil@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:17 am
Subject: Re: Alan Gibson Hornblocks
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Hi Frank

Alan Gibson makes/made 2 types of 4mm hornblocks and I am guessing you
are talking about the etched variety. These are the only ones on the
market, I know about, without a flange. I have used some, and yes I
found them difficult as well. Difficult and time consuming to make, and
to use on the Master Chassis. Your idea is a good one but you have to
make the plates and clean up the chassis after use. Could you clamp a
plate using those small pegs?, or possible push the chassis right up to
the face of the jig to solder one side, then turn the chassis upside
down (so you don't have to change the settings) and then solder the
other side.

Has anyone else any thoughts?

Regards Phil
--- In masterchassis@..., "lomas.frank" <lomas.frank@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi, my Masterchassis is making its debut and I wondered if anyone has
> any experience of using Alan Gibson hornblocks? With there only being
> the fence and no hornguide as such has anyone any suggestions apart
> from tacking a false bearing plate to the outside of the chassis
frames?
>
> Thanks
>
> Frank
>

#36 From: "lomas.frank" <lomas.frank@...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:07 pm
Subject: Alan Gibson Hornblocks
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Hi, my Masterchassis is making its debut and I wondered if anyone has
any experience of using Alan Gibson hornblocks? With there only being
the fence and no hornguide as such has anyone any suggestions apart
from tacking a false bearing plate to the outside of the chassis frames?

Thanks

Frank

#35 From: ROBIN ELWYN <Robin.Elwyn@...>
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:28 am
Subject: Re: Re: New member
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I think I understand now. When I bought it at Warley last year I aimed to use it both for 4mm scale(18.83) and S7. From what you've said just now I need to purchase some mock axles for 7mm scale which I presume are 3/16" long for their whole length.
 
I will need to do this soon as I intend to make a start on a Roxey Mouldings 7mm Terrier Tank soon.
 
Regards
 
Robin

----- Original Message ----
From: hhpja <phil@...>
To: masterchassis@...
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November, 2007 9:16:32 AM
Subject: [masterchassis] Re: New member

Hi Robin

From your description I am guessing you are changing scales. The fact
you have 1/8* sections on your mock axles, means you have 4mm axles,
and you say you are making a 7mm coach.

All you need to do is have the 3/16" part of the axle protruding a
small amount, say 5mm, just enough to locate the "Wagon Master's". Use
the longer fixing screw to attach.

The 32mm is for when you are building a 7mm loco chassis using 7mm
axles, i.e 3/16" for the whole length.

I hope I have understood your problem if not please reply

Phil
--- In masterchassis@ yahoogroups. co.uk, "robinelwyn" <Robin.Elwyn@ ...>
wrote:
>
> I purchased my Masterchassis last year but as yet haven't ued it in
> anger. On Saturday at Watford I purchased the additions to set
> wagon/coach wheels for 7mm scale. Having now set them up so I can
> build some MR bogies for a Slaters MR Clayton Lavatory coach I am
> building in S7.
>
> I was looking at Phils instructions and he talks about moving the mock
> axles out so that they protrude about 32mm in 7mm. If I do this only
> the 1/8" ends are in the clamp and I cannot get them to clamp tight.
>
> Please can somebody enlighten me as to what I am doing wrong?
>
> Regards
>
> Robin
>



#34 From: "hhpja" <phil@...>
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:16 am
Subject: Re: New member
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Hi Robin

From your description I am guessing you are changing scales. The fact
you have 1/8* sections on your mock axles, means you have 4mm axles,
and you say you are making a 7mm coach.

All you need to do is have the 3/16" part of the axle protruding a
small amount, say 5mm, just enough to locate the "Wagon Master's". Use
the longer fixing screw to attach.

The 32mm is for when you are building a 7mm loco chassis using 7mm
axles, i.e 3/16" for the whole length.

I hope I have understood your problem if not please reply

Phil
--- In masterchassis@..., "robinelwyn" <Robin.Elwyn@...>
wrote:
>
> I purchased my Masterchassis last year but as yet haven't ued it in
> anger. On Saturday at Watford I purchased the additions to set
> wagon/coach wheels for 7mm scale. Having now set them up so I can
> build some MR bogies for a Slaters MR Clayton Lavatory coach I am
> building in S7.
>
> I was looking at Phils instructions and he talks about moving the mock
> axles out so that they protrude about 32mm in 7mm. If I do this only
> the 1/8" ends are in the clamp and I cannot get them to clamp tight.
>
> Please can somebody enlighten me as to what I am doing wrong?
>
> Regards
>
> Robin
>

#33 From: "robinelwyn" <Robin.Elwyn@...>
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:19 pm
Subject: New member
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I purchased my Masterchassis last year but as yet haven't ued it in
anger. On Saturday at Watford I purchased the additions to set
wagon/coach wheels for 7mm scale. Having now set them up so I can
build some MR bogies for a Slaters MR Clayton Lavatory coach I am
building in S7.

I was looking at Phils instructions and he talks about moving the mock
axles out so that they protrude about 32mm in 7mm. If I do this only
the 1/8" ends are in the clamp and I cannot get them to clamp tight.

Please can somebody enlighten me as to what I am doing wrong?

Regards

Robin

#32 From: "polybear2123" <polybear@...>
Date: Mon Oct 8, 2007 2:04 pm
Subject: Re: Size of False axle ends
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--- In masterchassis@..., "hhpja" <phil@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Brian
>
> The super, super, delux, GTI, ghia, blue chip, all singing all
> dancing, crankpin.
>
> I will make the ends 1.44 if you require but a suitable working
> clearance (Next drill size up as stated in the instructions) would
> probably be 1.5mm. Give me a ring if you want to discuss or I
could
> go into more detail here if anyone asks
>
> Regards Phil

Hi Phil,

I've specified 1/8" axles with 1.5mm ends on my order, to suit Alan
Gibson etc. - I'm quite happy to stick with this size.  The good
news is that following my previous posting it sounds as though this
size will now be fine for the latest generation of Markits Crankpins
also!

It sounds from Steve Hammond's posting that there could be an
opportunity for aftermarket axles with different size ends, to suit
tenders etc. also

Best Regards,
Brian Tulley

#31 From: "hhpja" <phil@...>
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 9:36 pm
Subject: Re: Size of False axle ends
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Hi Brian

The super, super, delux, GTI, ghia, blue chip, all singing all
dancing, crankpin.

I will make the ends 1.44 if you require but a suitable working
clearance (Next drill size up as stated in the instructions) would
probably be 1.5mm. Give me a ring if you want to discuss or I could
go into more detail here if anyone asks

Regards Phil
--- In masterchassis@..., "polybear2123" <polybear@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In masterchassis@..., "hhpja" <phil@> wrote:
>
> > The old style
> > Romford, now Markits, where you solder a thick brass washer onto
the
> > crankpin is 1mm. The new Markits one is I believe 1.67mm (can
anyone
> > confirm?)
>
> Hi Phil/all,
>
> I've just received an email from Mark Arscott on this issue, to the
> following effect:
>
> Markits "Superdeluxe Slotted Threaded Crankpins" (which now replace
> their "Slotted Threaded Crankpins" with Plain [not threaded]
Crankpin
> Bush and 14 Ba nut) consist of a 1.0mm (14 Ba) Crankpin with a
Slotted
> Threaded Crankpin Bush to go with it; the latter having a 0.057"
> (1.44mm) turned outside diameter.
>
> Hope this is of interest.
>
> Best Regards,
> Brian Tulley.
>

#30 From: "hhpja" <phil@...>
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: Size of False axle ends
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Hi Steve

To date we have made axles in
2mm
3/32
3mm
1/8
5/32
3/16
1/4

If any one wants something different jusr ask

Regards Phil


--- In masterchassis@..., "stephenhammond"
<leescourtlodge@...> wrote:
>
>   Is it possible to have the axle ends 2mm rather than 1/8 so that
the jig can be used for tenders/ bogies, etc.
>   Steve Hammond
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: hhpja
>     To: masterchassis@...
>     Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:35 PM
>     Subject: [masterchassis] Re: Size of False axle ends
>
>
>     Hi Brian
>
>     In theory you are right. But 2 things:-
>
>     1) Stainless is very tough to cut and will quicly blunt your
jewllers
>     saw. You could you an abrasive disk but the parts will be very
small
>
>     2) Depending on how accurate the tube is it may be either a
press or
>     loose fit. The former is great for accuacy but poor for
changing back
>     to 1mm, the later may introduce a slop and hence inaccuracy.
>
>     Regards Phil
>
>     --- In masterchassis@..., "polybear2123"
<polybear@>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     > --- In masterchassis@..., "hhpja" <phil@> wrote:
>     >
>     > > About 90% of the 4mm jigs we have sold have been 1/8" axles
with
>     1.5mm
>     > > ends, which is the size of the bush that fits over the 12BA
screw
>     which
>     > > passes through the wheel to act as a crankpin. This is the
>     standard
>     > > size for Alan Gibson, Ultrascale and Mike Sharman. The old
style
>     > > Romford, now Markits, where you solder a thick brass washer
onto
>     the
>     > > crankpin is 1mm. The new Markits one is I believe 1.67mm
(can
>     anyone
>     > > confirm?)
>     >
>     >
>     > Hi Phil/all,
>     >
>     > One suggestion for those using both sizes may be to use 1/8"
axles
>     > with 1mm ends, and to sleeve the ends with tubing to bring the
>     > diameter upto 1.5mm as required. The following site sells hard
>     > Stainless Steel tubing with the following dimensions:
>     >
>     > O.D. 1.49mm
>     > I.D. 1.0mm
>     >
>     > http://finneyandsmith.co.uk/finneyandsmith/Brass.htm
>     >
>     > Does this sound a workable idea, or am I missing something
basic?
>     >
>     > p.s. I'll try and contact Markits tomorrow to check the
dimensions
>     of
>     > their crankpins and bushes and report back the findings.
>     >
>     > Best Regards,
>     > Brian Tulley
>     >
>

#29 From: "polybear2123" <polybear@...>
Date: Sun Oct 7, 2007 7:37 pm
Subject: Re: Size of False axle ends
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--- In masterchassis@..., "hhpja" <phil@...> wrote:

> The old style
> Romford, now Markits, where you solder a thick brass washer onto the
> crankpin is 1mm. The new Markits one is I believe 1.67mm (can anyone
> confirm?)

Hi Phil/all,

I've just received an email from Mark Arscott on this issue, to the
following effect:

Markits "Superdeluxe Slotted Threaded Crankpins" (which now replace
their "Slotted Threaded Crankpins" with Plain [not threaded] Crankpin
Bush and 14 Ba nut) consist of a 1.0mm (14 Ba) Crankpin with a Slotted
Threaded Crankpin Bush to go with it; the latter having a 0.057"
(1.44mm) turned outside diameter.

Hope this is of interest.

Best Regards,
Brian Tulley.

#28 From: "stephenhammond" <leescourtlodge@...>
Date: Fri Oct 5, 2007 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Size of False axle ends
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Is it possible to have the axle ends 2mm rather than 1/8 so that the jig can be used for tenders/ bogies, etc.
Steve Hammond
----- Original Message -----
From: hhpja
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:35 PM
Subject: [masterchassis] Re: Size of False axle ends

Hi Brian

In theory you are right. But 2 things:-

1) Stainless is very tough to cut and will quicly blunt your jewllers
saw. You could you an abrasive disk but the parts will be very small

2) Depending on how accurate the tube is it may be either a press or
loose fit. The former is great for accuacy but poor for changing back
to 1mm, the later may introduce a slop and hence inaccuracy.

Regards Phil

--- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, "polybear2123" <polybear@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, "hhpja" <phil@> wrote:
>
> > About 90% of the 4mm jigs we have sold have been 1/8" axles with
1.5mm
> > ends, which is the size of the bush that fits over the 12BA screw
which
> > passes through the wheel to act as a crankpin. This is the
standard
> > size for Alan Gibson, Ultrascale and Mike Sharman. The old style
> > Romford, now Markits, where you solder a thick brass washer onto
the
> > crankpin is 1mm. The new Markits one is I believe 1.67mm (can
anyone
> > confirm?)
>
>
> Hi Phil/all,
>
> One suggestion for those using both sizes may be to use 1/8" axles
> with 1mm ends, and to sleeve the ends with tubing to bring the
> diameter upto 1.5mm as required. The following site sells hard
> Stainless Steel tubing with the following dimensions:
>
> O.D. 1.49mm
> I.D. 1.0mm
>
> http://finneyandsmith.co.uk/finneyandsmith/Brass.htm
>
> Does this sound a workable idea, or am I missing something basic?
>
> p.s. I'll try and contact Markits tomorrow to check the dimensions
of
> their crankpins and bushes and report back the findings.
>
> Best Regards,
> Brian Tulley
>


#27 From: "hhpja" <phil@...>
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 9:35 pm
Subject: Re: Size of False axle ends
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Hi Brian

In theory you are right. But 2 things:-

1) Stainless is very tough to cut and will quicly blunt your jewllers
saw. You could you an abrasive disk but the parts will be very small

2) Depending on how accurate the tube is it may be either a press or
loose fit. The former is great for accuacy but poor for changing back
to 1mm, the later may introduce a slop and hence inaccuracy.

Regards Phil

--- In masterchassis@..., "polybear2123" <polybear@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In masterchassis@..., "hhpja" <phil@> wrote:
>
> > About 90% of the 4mm jigs we have sold have been 1/8" axles with
1.5mm
> > ends, which is the size of the bush that fits over the 12BA screw
which
> > passes through the wheel to act as a crankpin. This is the
standard
> > size for Alan Gibson, Ultrascale and Mike Sharman. The old style
> > Romford, now Markits, where you solder a thick brass washer onto
the
> > crankpin is 1mm. The new Markits one is I believe 1.67mm (can
anyone
> > confirm?)
>
>
> Hi Phil/all,
>
> One suggestion for those using both sizes may be to use 1/8" axles
> with 1mm ends, and to sleeve the ends with tubing to bring the
> diameter upto 1.5mm as required. The following site sells hard
> Stainless Steel tubing with the following dimensions:
>
> O.D. 1.49mm
> I.D. 1.0mm
>
> http://finneyandsmith.co.uk/finneyandsmith/Brass.htm
>
> Does this sound a workable idea, or am I missing something basic?
>
> p.s. I'll try and contact Markits tomorrow to check the dimensions
of
> their crankpins and bushes and report back the findings.
>
> Best Regards,
> Brian Tulley
>

#26 From: "polybear2123" <polybear@...>
Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: Size of False axle ends
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--- In masterchassis@..., "hhpja" <phil@...> wrote:

> About 90% of the 4mm jigs we have sold have been 1/8" axles with 1.5mm
> ends, which is the size of the bush that fits over the 12BA screw which
> passes through the wheel to act as a crankpin. This is the standard
> size for Alan Gibson, Ultrascale and Mike Sharman. The old style
> Romford, now Markits, where you solder a thick brass washer onto the
> crankpin is 1mm. The new Markits one is I believe 1.67mm (can anyone
> confirm?)


Hi Phil/all,

One suggestion for those using both sizes may be to use 1/8" axles
with 1mm ends, and to sleeve the ends with tubing to bring the
diameter upto 1.5mm as required. The following site sells hard
Stainless Steel tubing with the following dimensions:

O.D. 1.49mm
I.D. 1.0mm

http://finneyandsmith.co.uk/finneyandsmith/Brass.htm

Does this sound a workable idea, or am I missing something basic?

p.s. I'll try and contact Markits tomorrow to check the dimensions of
their crankpins and bushes and report back the findings.

Best Regards,
Brian Tulley

#25 From: "Brian Tulley" <polybear@...>
Date: Wed Oct 3, 2007 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Size of False axle ends
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Hi Phil,
 
Many thanks for the reply - for me it'll be the 1.5mm option I think.
Best Regards,
Brian.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: hhpja
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:33 PM
Subject: [SPAM] [masterchassis] Re: Size of False axle ends

Please if anybody else would like to put in theie 10p worth then please
do so.

At Hobby Holidays, as a small company we try to do whatever we can to
help our customers. To that end we will make the spigot on the end of
the Mock (False) axles to any size possible.

About 90% of the 4mm jigs we have sold have been 1/8" axles with 1.5mm
ends, which is the size of the bush that fits over the 12BA screw which
passes through the wheel to act as a crankpin. This is the standard
size for Alan Gibson, Ultrascale and Mike Sharman. The old style
Romford, now Markits, where you solder a thick brass washer onto the
crankpin is 1mm. The new Markits one is I believe 1.67mm (can anyone
confirm?)

7mm is a little easier 3/16" with a 2.4mm end, as every crankpin I know
on the market is either 3/32" (2.38mm) or 2.40mm (Less than 1thou"
different.

I hope that Helps regards Phil

--- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, "polybear2123" <polybear@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking to purchase a Master Chassis for 4mm. Having read the
> review in MRJ it seems there is an option for 1mm or 1.5mm ends to
the
> False Axles (presumably for the Con-Rods). Can anyone tell me what is
> the choice to go for please?. I'm guessing at 1mm, simply because
(for
> example) Alan Gibson crank pins are 1mm diameter. Is it simply a case
> that the 1.5mm option is for 7mm Locos?
> Many thanks.
>
> Best Regards,
> Brian.
>


#24 From: "hhpja" <phil@...>
Date: Wed Oct 3, 2007 8:33 pm
Subject: Re: Size of False axle ends
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Please if anybody else would like to put in theie 10p worth then please
do so.

At Hobby Holidays, as a small company we try to do whatever we can to
help our customers. To that end we will make the spigot on the end of
the Mock (False) axles to any size possible.

About 90% of the 4mm jigs we have sold have been 1/8" axles with 1.5mm
ends, which is the size of the bush that fits over the 12BA screw which
passes through the wheel to act as a crankpin. This is the standard
size for Alan Gibson, Ultrascale and Mike Sharman. The old style
Romford, now Markits, where you solder a thick brass washer onto the
crankpin is 1mm. The new Markits one is I believe 1.67mm (can anyone
confirm?)

7mm is a little easier 3/16" with a 2.4mm end, as every crankpin I know
on the market is either 3/32" (2.38mm) or 2.40mm (Less than 1thou"
different.

I hope that Helps regards Phil

--- In masterchassis@..., "polybear2123" <polybear@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking to purchase a Master Chassis for 4mm.  Having read the
> review in MRJ it seems there is an option for 1mm or 1.5mm ends to
the
> False Axles (presumably for the Con-Rods). Can anyone tell me what is
> the choice to go for please?. I'm guessing at 1mm, simply because
(for
> example) Alan Gibson crank pins are 1mm diameter. Is it simply a case
> that the 1.5mm option is for 7mm Locos?
> Many thanks.
>
> Best Regards,
> Brian.
>

#23 From: "polybear2123" <polybear@...>
Date: Wed Oct 3, 2007 8:27 am
Subject: Size of False axle ends
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Hi all,

I'm looking to purchase a Master Chassis for 4mm.  Having read the
review in MRJ it seems there is an option for 1mm or 1.5mm ends to the
False Axles (presumably for the Con-Rods). Can anyone tell me what is
the choice to go for please?. I'm guessing at 1mm, simply because (for
example) Alan Gibson crank pins are 1mm diameter. Is it simply a case
that the 1.5mm option is for 7mm Locos?
Many thanks.

Best Regards,
Brian.

#22 From: "Dennis Mowatt" <basousanjo@...>
Date: Mon May 7, 2007 1:05 pm
Subject: Re: Tightness on delivery
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Hi Tony,

I too have recently received mine and have nothing but praise for it. Yes,
the Mock Axles are tight, but I'd rather that than loose. A little easing
with fine grade wet/dry would be OK, but check first that the Allen bolts
used to secure the axles are loose and that a little light oil has been
applied.

Incidentally, I have found that a spray with Remington shaver blade
cleaner/lubricant is good. Use this after each soldering session. If you do
get a build-up of gunge on the axles, spin them in  a chuck (I use my trusty
Black & Decker drill in a horizontal stand) and apply a track cleaning pad,
such as Garriflex.

I have already built a chassis on my Masterchassis and used it for test
running. What a boon! I will build a cradle for it, slightly based on that
in the group's Files section, but without the copper-clad PCB for current
pick-up. I prefer 'wander-leads', as thereby one may easily check for the
proper working of individual pickups. I wish I could have that facility on
then other side too. I will also have extensions either side with track
sections to carry bogie, pony and tender wheelsets. I will have to provide
dual-gauge track, as I have rolling roads for both 0-fine and 36.75mm
(5'3").

Another small but important point. Ensure that the setscrews holding the
roller bearings are tight - and stay tight. Mine were loose on arrival
(why?); a drop of Threadlock will keep them tight.

Regards

Dennis Mowatt



I've just taken delivery of my Masterchassis and am very pleased with
my investment.  The one snag I've found is that the a couple of the
false axles are more or less an interference fit in the axle holes.  I
rang Phil and Jo and was advised to just ease the offending items with
a bit of wet-and-dry, which was my Plan A anyway.  Has anyone with
practical experience any warnings or comments or is it just a matter
of steady as you go?

#21 From: "Jim Summers" <jimsummers@...>
Date: Mon May 7, 2007 11:56 am
Subject: RE: Tightness on delivery
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Tony,
 
Steady as I went, I think.
 
Jim
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To: masterchassis@...
Subject: [masterchassis] Tightness on delivery

I've just taken delivery of my Masterchassis and am verypleased with
my investment. The one snag I've found is that the a couple of the
false axles are more or less an interference fit in the axle holes. I
rang Phil and Jo and was advised to just ease the offending items with
a bit of wet-and-dry, which was my Plan A anyway. Has anyone with
practical experience any warnings or comments or is it just a matter
of steady as you go?

Many thanks

Tony McSean


#20 From: "tmcsean" <hollarmodels@...>
Date: Mon May 7, 2007 7:30 am
Subject: Tightness on delivery
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I've just taken delivery of my Masterchassis and am verypleased with
my investment.  The one snag I've found is that the a couple of the
false axles are more or less an interference fit in the axle holes.  I
rang Phil and Jo and was advised to just ease the offending items with
a bit of wet-and-dry, which was my Plan A anyway.  Has anyone with
practical experience any warnings or comments or is it just a matter
of steady as you go?

Many thanks

Tony McSean

#19 From: "Ian Matthews" <imatts@...>
Date: Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:56 pm
Subject: Re:Master Chassis Rolling Road Caddy.
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Hi Jamie,

Your ideas are good - my basic caddy can be adapted to suit any
configuration.  Phil Atkinson has already indicated he may build on
my idea - he has also suggested making some boge / tender adapters.

You may have seen on my images the loco on my master chassis is a
D16/3 - a 4-4-0.  This is a little off topic - I deliberately ADDED
additional weight to the smoke box of that loco to make it balanced.
The bogie is sprung with sprung side play control, the front driving
axle is sprung (piano wire) and floats, the rear driven axle is
fixed - both driving axles run on roller bearings.  The tender,
weighs in at 1 1/2 pounds, and has a fixed rear axle and floating
front carrier for the front two axles, the weight of the tender bears
down through the rigid drawbar and provides a counterbalance moment
arm around the fixed loco driving axle.  The net effect of my
arrangement (a mixture of Mike Sharman's 'Flexichas' system and
springing)  divided the weight of the loco as 30% on the bogie and
35% on each driver - which is almost protoypical.  The whole thing
weighs in at just under 3 pounds!

Ian

--- In masterchassis@..., "Beth and Jamie Guest"
<bethandjamie@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply Ian
>
> The pictures look good but I will probably try and incorporate 2
other
> small additions in mine.
>
> 1. The copperclad strip that feeds the outer edge of the units
will
> be isolated into three parts electrically with small plug and socket
> connectors so that each side of each axle can be tested for pick up
as
> at present.
>
> 2. I will male some blacks with rail on top that can be slid
under
> bogie and pony trucks as supports.   I have built some 4-4-0's and
they
> tend to be nose heavy and become a bit unstable if they are only
> supported on their driving wheels as there is always a lot of
weight in
> the smokebox area..   The idea would be that the blocks are just
slid
> down the caddy once the loco is in position.
>
> When I get it made I will post a picture.
>
> Jamie Guest
>

#18 From: "Beth and Jamie Guest" <bethandjamie@...>
Date: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:46 am
Subject: Re:Master Chassis Rolling Road Caddy.
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Thanks for the reply Ian

 

The pictures look good but I will probably try and incorporate 2 other small additions in mine.

 

  1. The copperclad strip that feeds the outer edge of the units will be isolated into three parts electrically with small plug and socket connectors so that each side of each axle can be tested for pick up as at present.

 

  1. I will male some blacks with rail on top that can be slid under bogie and pony trucks as supports.   I have built some 4-4-0’s and they tend to be nose heavy and become a bit unstable if they are only supported on their driving wheels as there is always a lot of weight in the smokebox area..   The idea would be that the blocks are just slid down the caddy once the loco is in position.

 

When I get it made I will post a picture.

 

Jamie Guest


#17 From: "hhpja" <phil@...>
Date: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:19 pm
Subject: Contact Details
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Here at Hobby Holidays not only do we make the Master Chassis + other
model railway products, but we offer weekend workshops with famous
name tutors + a frequent, chassis / kit building workshop run by Phil
the designer of the Master Chassis. All these workshops are run at
our premises in a sleepy noth Nottinhamshire village. They are small
hands on groups with all food and drink supplied. We can even
offer/sort accomodation if required.

We can be contacted by any of the following means

e-mail phil@...

Phone from outside the UK +44 1427 848979
Phone from inside the UK 01427 848979

Letter to
Hobby Holidays
The Spinney, Low St
Beckingham
Doncaster
S Yorks
DN10 4PW
UK

Our Website www.hobbyholidays.co.uk
Click on Products or Weekend Workshops

#16 From: "s_m_horse2" <south_med_horse@...>
Date: Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:48 am
Subject: Re: Welcome
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It might help to put a link (in the Links section of this Group) to
your correspondence address for future orders for the MasterChassis jig.

Just a thought.

--- In masterchassis@..., "hhpja" <phil@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone
>
> The Master Chassis is a precision jig for the construction of smooth
> running Model railway locomotive chassis.
>
> This group is intended to help new owners of the Master Chassis and
> those contemplating purchase.
>
> All feedback welcome
>
> Regards
>
> Phil & Jo Atkinson
>

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