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#59 From: "Dave Smith" <brindlesmith@...>
Date: Sat May 23, 2009 11:48 pm
Subject: First steps.
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Hi Phil, I purchased a 4mm jig and a couple of wagonmasters at the back end of
March, having been suitably impressed by the example shown at Glasgow. I've been
itching to use it since although work and various other modelling commitments
have held things up until now. Tonight I made a start on my first project - a
Eastfield models J37 chassis in OO. All I've done tonight is prepare the rods
for soldering in the morning, but I'm impressed with the adjustable axle
spacing. Years ago, I attempted to build a couple of kit chassis, but they
generally ran like 3-legged dogs. The jig looks like changing all that for good.
I'm impressed too by the positive feedback on these pages. Even for a simple act
like fabricating the rods, the jig looks like providing the two extra hands you
generally need on jobs like that.
Thanks again, the signs are very encouraging!

Dave Smith.




#60 From: "hhpja" <phil@...>
Date: Sun May 24, 2009 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: First steps.
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Hi Dave thanks for the kind comments

Let us all know how you get on, with pictures if possible.


Regards Phil
--- In masterchassis@..., "Dave Smith" <brindlesmith@...> wrote:
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> Hi Phil, I purchased a 4mm jig and a couple of wagonmasters at the back end of
March, having been suitably impressed by the example shown at Glasgow. I've been
itching to use it since although work and various other modelling commitments
have held things up until now. Tonight I made a start on my first project - a
Eastfield models J37 chassis in OO. All I've done tonight is prepare the rods
for soldering in the morning, but I'm impressed with the adjustable axle
spacing. Years ago, I attempted to build a couple of kit chassis, but they
generally ran like 3-legged dogs. The jig looks like changing all that for good.
I'm impressed too by the positive feedback on these pages. Even for a simple act
like fabricating the rods, the jig looks like providing the two extra hands you
generally need on jobs like that.
> Thanks again, the signs are very encouraging!
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> Dave Smith.
>





#61 From: "Dave Smith" <brindlesmith@...>
Date: Mon May 25, 2009 11:41 pm
Subject: Re: First steps.
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Thanks Phil, I'll do that! On Sunday night I fitted the axle bearings (rigid for
00) and yesterday morning, I assembled the frames themselves. For the first time
in my experience, it was a thoroughly enjoyable job and everything appears
square and true. Later today I shall fit the wheels and test the rods for free
running. I'm on a real learning curve here as the last of my early experiments
was 10-15 years ago, so I've treated this as 'year zero'. I'm taking small,
careful steps all along the way, which means I'm taking a good deal more time
over each stage than all you experienced boys probably do! Having the correct
equipment such as temperature controlled soldering kit and an etched part folder
makes a huge difference too, but the jig is the clincher!

Cheers,

Dave.



--- In masterchassis@..., "hhpja" <phil@...> wrote:
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> Regards Phil





#62 From: "waterloosl" <steve_carter@...>
Date: Thu May 28, 2009 8:15 am
Subject: Re: First steps.
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Sounds all good Dave.  Best wishes for a successful outcome in the very near
future.

I am also a "returnee" and got hold of my masterchassis at Bracknell a couple of
weeks ago. Looking forward to using it.

I am very interested in the etched part folder you mention. Could you provide
details please?

Many thanks

Steve

--- In masterchassis@..., "Dave Smith" <brindlesmith@...> wrote:
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> Thanks Phil, I'll do that! On Sunday night I fitted the axle bearings (rigid
for 00) and yesterday morning, I assembled the frames themselves. For the first
time in my experience, it was a thoroughly enjoyable job and everything appears
square and true. Later today I shall fit the wheels and test the rods for free
running. I'm on a real learning curve here as the last of my early experiments
was 10-15 years ago, so I've treated this as 'year zero'. I'm taking small,
careful steps all along the way, which means I'm taking a good deal more time
over each stage than all you experienced boys probably do! Having the correct
equipment such as temperature controlled soldering kit and an etched part folder
makes a huge difference too, but the jig is the clincher!
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> Cheers,
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> Dave.
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> --- In masterchassis@..., "hhpja" <phil@> wrote:
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> > Regards Phil
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#63 From: "waterloosl" <steve_carter@...>
Date: Wed May 27, 2009 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: First steps.
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Good luck Dave

I'm in a simular position to you having come back to the hobby after 18
years away. I brought a Masterchassis at ExpoEM and am looking forward
to building a chassis that runs smoothly!

I would like to know more about your etched part folder please? Could
you let me have some details?

Thanks

Steve


--- In masterchassis@..., "Dave Smith" <brindlesmith@...>
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> Thanks Phil, I'll do that! On Sunday night I fitted the axle bearings
(rigid for 00) and yesterday morning, I assembled the frames themselves.
For the first time in my experience, it was a thoroughly enjoyable job
and everything appears square and true. Later today I shall fit the
wheels and test the rods for free running. I'm on a real learning curve
here as the last of my early experiments was 10-15 years ago, so I've
treated this as 'year zero'. I'm taking small, careful steps all along
the way, which means I'm taking a good deal more time over each stage
than all you experienced boys probably do! Having the correct equipment
such as temperature controlled soldering kit and an etched part folder
makes a huge difference too, but the jig is the clincher!
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> Cheers,
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> > Regards Phil
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#64 From: brindlesmith@...
Date: Thu May 28, 2009 10:18 am
Subject: Re: Re: First steps.
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I'm off to work now Steve, but I'll look for the supplier of my folder, it was an American outfit called Mission models, but I'll give you the full gen later.
It's a hard plastic superstructure, but so far it's been up to any task I've given it.
Cheers,

Dave.


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From: waterloosl <steve_carter@...>
To: masterchassis@...
Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:39
Subject: [masterchassis] Re: First steps.




Good luck Dave

I'm in a simular position to you having come back to the hobby after 18
years away. I brought a Masterchassis at ExpoEM and am looking forward
to building a chassis that runs smoothly!

I would like to know more about your etched part folder please? Could
you let me have some details?

Thanks

Steve

--- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Dave Smith" <brindlesmith@...>
wrote:
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> Thanks Phil, I'll do that! On Sunday night I fitted the=2 0axle bearings
(rigid for 00) and yesterday morning, I assembled the frames themselves.
For the first time in my experience, it was a thoroughly enjoyable job
and everything appears square and true. Later today I shall fit the
wheels and test the rods for free running. I'm on a real learning curve
here as the last of my early experiments was 10-15 years ago, so I've
treated this as 'year zero'. I'm taking small, careful steps all along
the way, which means I'm taking a good deal more time over each stage
than all you experienced boys probably do! Having the correct equipment
such as temperature controlled soldering kit and an etched part folder
makes a huge difference too, but the jig is the clincher!
>
> Cheers,
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> Dave.
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> > Regards Phil
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#67 From: "Jim Summers" <jimsummers@...>
Date: Fri May 29, 2009 4:56 am
Subject: RE: Re: First steps.
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Sounds like the Hold 'n'Fold gadget, which is American but freely available in the UK. 
 
Pricey, but very useful and there are few little bits of etch you can't grip with it.  I've seen folk use it for bending thin card/paper to get accuracy for their kind of modelling too.  It comes in various sizes - try to get the one which is long enough for coach solebars and underframes for your scale.
 
Jim
 
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Sent: 28 May 2009 11:18
To: masterchassis@...
Subject: Re: [masterchassis] Re: First steps.

I'm off to work now Steve, but I'll look for the supplier of my folder, it was an American outfit called Mission models, but I'll give you the full gen later.

It's a hard plastic superstructure, but so far it's been up to any task I've given it.
Cheers,

Dave.


-----Original Message-----
From: waterloosl <steve_carter@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk
Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:39
Subject: [masterchassis] Re: First steps.




Good luck Dave

I'm in a simular position to you having come back to the hobby after 18
years away. I brought a Masterchassis at ExpoEM and am looking forward
to building a chassis that runs smoothly!

I would like to know more about your etched part folder please? Could
you let me have some details?

Thanks

Steve

--- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Dave Smith" <brindlesmith@...>
wrote:
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> Thanks Phil, I'll do that! On Sunday night I fitted the=2 0axle bearings
(rigid for 00) and yesterday morning, I assembled the frames themselves.
For the first time in my experience, it was a thoroughly enjoyable job
and everything appears square and true. Later today I shall fit the
wheels and test the rods for free running. I'm on a real learning curve
here as the last of my early experiments was 10-15 years ago, so I've
treated this as 'year zero'. I'm taking small, careful steps all along
the way, which means I'm taking a good deal more time over each stage
than all you experienced boys probably do! Having the correct equipment
such as temperature controlled soldering kit and an etched part folder
makes a huge difference too, but the jig is the clincher!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave.
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> --- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, "hhpja" phil@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave thanks for the kind comments
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> > Let us all know how you get on, with pictures if possible.
> >
> >
> > Regards Phil
>


#68 From: "waterloosl" <steve_carter@...>
Date: Fri May 29, 2009 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: First steps.
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Thanks Dave

I've found Mission models website and it looks a neat bit of kit.

I have also found a supplier in the UK, Relish Models in Selby, North Yorkshire,
but the folder is currently out of stock. I've emailed them for an update as to
when it is likely to be available in the UK again.

No more info yet.

Steve

--- In masterchassis@..., brindlesmith@... wrote:
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> I'm off to work now Steve, but I'll look for the supplier of my folder, it was
an American outfit called Mission models, but I'll give you the full gen later.
> It's a hard plastic superstructure, but so far it's been up to any task I've
given it.
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> Cheers,
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#71 From: brindlesmith@...
Date: Fri May 29, 2009 10:08 pm
Subject: Re: Re: First steps.
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I got mine from the States in about a week which wasn't so bad.
Now, back to my project and a couple of things have caught my attention. While the chassis is square and free-running - very nicely so- I notice that my wheelsets all seem to be at a very slight tangent to the frames. It doesn't seem to cause any problems as the axles and rods still all seem to be aligned with each other and run smoothly, it just looks slightly odd when viewed from above, which I suppose won't be a serious issue when the body's on.

Secondly, what methods do you other fellows use when attaching detail parts to the frame?  I'm very aware of the risk of dislodging parts that you have previously soldered on and it's happened once or twice already, to my embarrasment!

Thanks again!

Dave. 


-----Original Message-----
From: waterloosl <steve_carter@...>
To: masterchassis@...
Sent: Fri, 29 May 2009 22:43
Subject: [masterchassis] Re: First steps.



Thanks Dave

I've found Mission models website and it looks a neat bit of kit.

I have also found a supplier in the UK, Relish Models in Selby, North Yorkshire, but the folder is currently out of stock. I've emailed them for an update as to when it is likely to be available in the UK again.

No more info yet.

Steve

--- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, brindlesmith@... wrote:
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> I'm off to work now Steve, but I'll look for the supplier of my folder, it was an American outfit called Mission models, but I'll give you the full gen later.
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> I would like to know more about your etched part folder please? Could
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> --- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Dave Smith" <brindlesmith@>
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> For the first time in my experience, it was a thoroughly enjoyable job
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> and everything appears square and true. Later today I shall fit the
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> wheels and test the rods for free running. I'm on a real learning curve
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> here as the last of my early experiments was 10-15 years ago, so I've
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> treated this as 'y
> ear zero'. I'm taking small, careful steps all along
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> the way, which means I'm taking a good deal more time over each stage
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> than all you experienced boys probably do! Having the correct equipment
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> such as temperature controlled soldering kit and an etched part folder
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> makes a huge difference too, but the jig is the clincher!
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#72 From: Tony McSean <hollarmodels@...>
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 6:27 pm
Subject: RE: Re: First steps.
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Three solutions that I-ve tried.   They all work, though I would add the rider "usually" to numbers 2 and 3:

1.  Resistence soldering unit.  No serious rival for tacking on detail. Expensive to buy but I've had mine for more than 10 years and it is as good as new.  Get the foot switch.  Makes all sorts of soldering easy because you can hold it firmly in place with the "iron" for as long as it takes you to geet it right, and then carry on holding once the power is back off again until the solder is quite set.

2.  Step soldering.  Using solders of decreasing melting point as you work your way through successive items.  Works, ok but not disaster-proof in my experience and I haven't even thought about doing it since my wife bought me my RSU (with a hint or two one November).

3.  Superglue.  Works fine if everything is clean and a snug fit.  Works ok if everything-s clean, not a bad fit and you use gap-filling superglue.  I find washing ever everything with acetone seems to give a nice key for the glue.  Occasionally, though, I just find the stuff won't work, which is no doubt 100% down to me.

Hope this helps,

Tonnt McSean

To: masterchassis@...
From: brindlesmith@...
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:08:34 -0400
Subject: Re: [masterchassis] Re: First steps.



I got mine from the States in about a week which wasn't so bad.
Now, back to my project and a couple of things have caught my attention. While the chassis is square and free-running - very nicely so- I notice that my wheelsets all seem to be at a very slight tangent to the frames. It doesn't seem to cause any problems as the axles and rods still all seem to be aligned with each other and run smoothly, it just looks slightly odd when viewed from above, which I suppose won't be a serious issue when the body's on.

Secondly, what methods do you other fellows use when attaching detail parts to the frame?  I'm very aware of the risk of dislodging parts that you have previously soldered on and it's happened once or twice already, to my embarrasment!

Thanks again!

Dave. 


-----Original Message-----
From: waterloosl <steve_carter@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk
Sent: Fri, 29 May 2009 22:43
Subject: [masterchassis] Re: First steps.



Thanks Dave

I've found Mission models website and it looks a neat bit of kit.

I have also found a supplier in the UK, Relish Models in Selby, North Yorkshire, but the folder is currently out of stock. I've emailed them for an update as to when it is likely to be available in the UK again.

No more info yet.

Steve

--- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, brindlesmith@... wrote:
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> and everything appears square and true. Later today I shall fit the
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> wheels and test the rods for free running. I'm on a real learning curve
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> here as the last of my early experiments was 10-15 years ago, so I've
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> treated this as 'y
> ear zero'. I'm taking small, careful steps all along
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> the way, which means I'm taking a good deal more time over each stage
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> than all you experienced boys probably do! Having the correct equipment
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> such as temperature controlled soldering kit and an etched part folder
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#73 From: "hhpja" <phil@...>
Date: Mon Jun 1, 2009 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: First steps.
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Hi Dave
Without seeing the chassis to confirm things my guess is 1 of 3 things regarding
your wheels that is:-
1 The fixing points in the chassis sides for the spacers were out
2 the holes in the chassis for the wheel bearings were out, or you have made
them out by opening them up.
3 the heat put in during soldering of the spacers has caused some stress build
up.

As you say it will look a little weird but may run OK the only time it may cause
you a problem is at points going in a certain direction, where the flange will
slightly closer to one side than the other.

The solution if you want to bother is to take the wheels out, put it back on the
jig and un-solder the spacers on one side and then re-solder, checking they are
paralell to the axles as you go.

I hope that helps

Regards
Phil
--- In masterchassis@..., brindlesmith@... wrote:
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> I got mine from the States in about a week which wasn't so bad.
> Now, back to my project and a couple of things have caught my attention. While
the chassis is square and free-running - very nicely so- I notice that my
wheelsets all seem to be at a very slight tangent to the frames. It doesn't seem
to cause any problems as the axles and rods still all seem to be aligned with
each other and run smoothly, it just looks slightly odd when viewed from above,
which I suppose won't be a serious issue when the body's on.
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the frame?  I'm very aware of the risk of dislodging parts that you have
previously soldered on and it's happened once or twice already, to my
embarrasment!
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> From: waterloosl <steve_carter@...>
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#74 From: "wolfgang_heinle" <wolfgang_heinle@...>
Date: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: First steps.
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Hi Dave,

exactly what I have seen as well. The problem is that, while all the mechanism
of the tool is precision-engineered to keep the axles parallel to each other,
the master-chassis provides no means to check and hold the frames orthogonal to
the axles. This may effectively stretch the wheelbase or let you solder up both
half frames in a way the axles are parallel but non-orthogonal to the frames. In
fact my masterchassis' baseplate itself is to a slight angle to the axles, which
deceived my eyes many times. Since with non-orthogonal axles the wheelbase is
always distorted, the rods become too short and running will be compromised. The
chassis needs to be redone, especially when its compensated.

I kind of helped myself out by creating a jig consisting of a length of 1/8" ID
brass tube, soldered as square as any possible to a (fairly large) piece of 2mm
PCB, long enough to rest on the adjacent axles.
(PCB is not ideal, as it has a tendency to warp depending on temperature or
humidity, but thats what I had).

Now, to solder both frames together, the first half frame with spacers already
soldered on, is clamped onto that jig, and both together are set onto the
masterchassis (with out that hornblock where the jig's tube is). Then the second
frame (also without that respective hornblock) is inserted. After checking super
carefully that all is reasonably square, both halfs are soldered up.
Its still super fiddly, but by now I'm getting it right first time.

Now, I think, it'd really be desirable for the masterchassis to have something
like a ruler, or a slotted (non-metal heat resistant) plate at the tool's front,
the frames can butt against and be clamped to. Big enough to rest an engineer's
square to check the tops of the frames are level. Especially considering the
precision the rest of the tool has built in...

All the best,

C,-w



> --- In masterchassis@..., brindlesmith@ wrote:
> >
> > I got mine from the States in about a week which wasn't so bad.
> > Now, back to my project and a couple of things have caught my attention.
While the chassis is square and free-running - very nicely so- I notice that my
wheelsets all seem to be at a very slight tangent to the frames. It doesn't seem
to cause any problems as the axles and rods still all seem to be aligned with
each other and run smoothly, it just looks slightly odd when viewed from above,
which I suppose won't be a serious issue when the body's on.
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> >
> > Secondly, what methods do you other fellows use when attaching detail parts
to the frame? Â I'm very aware of the risk of dislodging parts that you have
previously soldered on and it's happened once or twice already, to my
embarrasment!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave.Â
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: waterloosl <steve_carter@>
> > To: masterchassis@...
> > Sent: Fri, 29 May 2009 22:43
> > Subject: [masterchassis] Re: First steps.
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> > I have also found a supplier in the UK, Relish Models in Selby, North
Yorkshire, but the folder is currently out of stock. I've emailed them for an
update as to when it is likely to be available in the UK again.
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> > --- In masterchassis@..., brindlesmith@ wrote:
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> > > I'm off to work now Steve, but I'll look for the supplier of my folder, it
was an American outfit called Mission models, but I'll give you the full gen
later.
> >
> > > It's a hard plastic superstructure, but so far it's been up to any task
I've given it.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Cheers,
> >
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> > > years away. I brought a Masterchassis at ExpoEM and am looking forward
> >
> > >
> >
> > > to building a chassis that runs smoothly!
> >
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> > > For the first time in my experience, it was a thoroughly enjoyable job
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#65 From: Tony McSean <hollarmodels@...>
Date: Thu May 28, 2009 12:17 pm
Subject: RE: Re: First steps.
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I don't know if this is the exact thiing that Dave was talking about but I've had the larger version of this:

http://finneyandsmith.co.uk/finneyandsmith/hold_and_fold.htm

for a while.  It's expensive for what it is, but it is great timesaver and quality-guarantee and I would be sorry to lose it.  Correction: I am sorry not to have it because I am working away from home and this is one of the things I didn't bring with me and wish I had.

Tony McSean




To: masterchassis@...
From: steve_carter@...
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:39:01 +0000
Subject: [masterchassis] Re: First steps.




Good luck Dave

I'm in a simular position to you having come back to the hobby after 18
years away. I brought a Masterchassis at ExpoEM and am looking forward
to building a chassis that runs smoothly!

I would like to know more about your etched part folder please? Could
you let me have some details?

Thanks

Steve

--- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Dave Smith" <brindlesmith@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks Phil, I'll do that! On Sunday night I fitted the axle bearings
(rigid for 00) and yesterday morning, I assembled the frames themselves.
For the first time in my experience, it was a thoroughly enjoyable job
and everything appears square and true. Later today I shall fit the
wheels and test the rods for free running. I'm on a real learning curve
here as the last of my early experiments was 10-15 years ago, so I've
treated this as 'year zero'. I'm taking small, careful steps all along
the way, which means I'm taking a good deal more time over each stage
than all you experienced boys probably do! Having the correct equipment
such as temperature controlled soldering kit and an etched part folder
makes a huge difference too, but the jig is the clincher!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave.
>
>
>
> --- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, "hhpja" phil@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave thanks for the kind comments
> >
> > Let us all know how you get on, with pictures if possible.
> >
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> > Regards Phil
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#66 From: "waterloosl" <steve_carter@...>
Date: Fri May 29, 2009 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: First steps.
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Many thanks for the infomation Tony.  I'll have a look at it on the website you
gave.
Steve


--- In masterchassis@..., Tony McSean <hollarmodels@...> wrote:
>
>
> I don't know if this is the exact thiing that Dave was talking about but I've
had the larger version of this:
>
> http://finneyandsmith.co.uk/finneyandsmith/hold_and_fold.htm
>
> for a while. It's expensive for what it is, but it is great timesaver and
quality-guarantee and I would be sorry to lose it. Correction: I am sorry not
to have it because I am working away from home and this is one of the things I
didn't bring with me and wish I had.
>
> Tony McSean
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> To: masterchassis@...
> From: steve_carter@...
> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:39:01 +0000
> Subject: [masterchassis] Re: First steps.
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>
> years away. I brought a Masterchassis at ExpoEM and am looking forward
>
> to building a chassis that runs smoothly!
>
>
>
> I would like to know more about your etched part folder please? Could
>
> you let me have some details?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
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>
> Steve
>
>
>
> --- In masterchassis@..., "Dave Smith" <brindlesmith@>
>
> wrote:
>
> >
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> > Thanks Phil, I'll do that! On Sunday night I fitted the axle bearings
>
> (rigid for 00) and yesterday morning, I assembled the frames themselves.
>
> For the first time in my experience, it was a thoroughly enjoyable job
>
> and everything appears square and true. Later today I shall fit the
>
> wheels and test the rods for free running. I'm on a real learning curve
>
> here as the last of my early experiments was 10-15 years ago, so I've
>
> treated this as 'year zero'. I'm taking small, careful steps all along
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> the way, which means I'm taking a good deal more time over each stage
>
> than all you experienced boys probably do! Having the correct equipment
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> such as temperature controlled soldering kit and an etched part folder
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#69 From: brindlesmith@...
Date: Thu May 28, 2009 10:29 pm
Subject: Re: Re: First steps.
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If you follow the link below you'll find the very one I bought. Very good value at the price too!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=270369446535


All the best,

Dave.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony McSean <hollarmodels@...>
To: masterchassis@...
Sent: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:17
Subject: RE: [masterchassis] Re: First steps.



I don't know if this is the exact thiing that Dave was talking about but I've had the larger version of this:

http://finneyandsmith.co.uk/finneyandsmith/hold_and_fold.htm

for a while.  It's expensive for what it is, but it is great timesaver and quality-guarantee and I would be sorry to lose it.  Correction: I am sorry not to have it because I am working away from home and this is one of the things I didn't bring with me and wish I had.

Tony McSean




To: masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk
From: steve_carter@blueyonder.co.uk
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:39:01 +0000
Subject: [masterchassis] Re: First steps.




Good luck Dave

I'm in a simular position to you having come back to the hobby after 18
years away. I brought a Masterchassis at ExpoEM and am looking forward
to building a chassis that runs smoothly!

I would like to know more about your etched part folder please? Could
you let me have some details?

Thanks

Steve

--- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Dave Smith" <brindlesmith@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks Phil, I'll do that! On Sunday night I fitted the axle bearings
(rigid for 00) and yesterday morning, I assembled the frames themselves.
For the first time in my experience, it was a thoroughly enjoyable job
and everything appears square and true. Later today I shall fit the
wheels and test the rods for free running. I'm on a real learning curve
here as the last of my early experiments was 10-15 years ago, so I've
treated this as 'year zero'. I'm taking small, careful steps all along
the way, which means I'm taking a good deal=2 0more time over each stage
than all you experienced boys probably do! Having the correct equipment
such as temperature controlled soldering kit and an etched part folder
makes a huge difference too, but the jig is the clincher!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave.
>
>
>
> --- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, "hhpja" phil@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave thanks for the kind comments
> >
> > Let us all know how you get on, with pictures if possible.
> >
> >
> > Regards Phil
>




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#70 From: "Barry Welton" <welton@...>
Date: Sat May 30, 2009 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: Re: First steps.
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Hi, in the UK its called the hold and fold available from JLTRT and done in 4 different sizes.
 
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-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 29/05/2009 22:55:08
Subject: Re: [masterchassis] Re: First steps.
 

If you follow the link below you'll find the very one I bought. Very good value at the price too!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=270369446535


All the best,

Dave.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony McSean <hollarmodels@hotmail.com>
To: masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk
Sent: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:17
Subject: RE: [masterchassis] Re: First steps.



I don't know if this is the exact thiing that Dave was talking about but I've had the larger version of this:

http://finneyandsmith.co.uk/finneyandsmith/hold_and_fold.htm

for a while.  It's expensive for what it is, but it is great timesaver and quality-guarantee and I would be sorry to lose it.  Correction: I am sorry not to have it because I am working away from home and this is one of the things I didn't bring with me and wish I had.

Tony McSean




To: masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk
From: steve_carter@blueyonder.co.uk
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:39:01 +0000
Subject: [masterchassis] Re: First steps.




Good luck Dave

I'm in a simular position to you having come back to the hobby after 18
years away. I brought a Masterchassis at ExpoEM and am looking forward
to building a chassis that runs smoothly!

I would like to know more about your etched part folder please? Could
you let me have some details?

Thanks

Steve

--- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Dave Smith" <brindlesmith@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks Phil, I'll do that! On Sunday night I fitted the axle bearings
(rigid for 00) and yesterday morning, I assembled the frames themselves.
For the first time in my experience, it was a thoroughly enjoyable job
and everything appears square and true. Later today I shall fit the
wheels and test the rods for free running. I'm on a real learning curve
here as the last of my early experiments was 10-15 years ago, so I've
treated this as 'year zero'. I'm taking small, careful steps all along
the way, which means I'm taking a good deal=2 0more time over each stage
than all you experienced boys probably do! Having the correct equipment
such as temperature controlled soldering kit and an etched part folder
makes a huge difference too, but the jig is the clincher!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave.
>
>
>
> --- In masterchassis@yahoogroups.co.uk, "hhpja" phil@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave thanks for the kind comments
> >
> > Let us all know how you get on, with pictures if possible.
> >
> >
> > Regards Phil
>




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