Hi Jeremy, Tony...

Its great to see a little activity on here, I am notional Treasurer for the
group and now really the only one that looks after the forum. The previous
Commodore Paul and myself were continually trying to drum up interest for open
meetings etc but it was a bit struggle. There seem to be quite a few boats
around but sailed by people who are not that bothered about travelling for
formal meetings... we love our Xenon and it would be great to get together
occationally with others but it never seems to happen. With regards to the
number of people registered there are 54 on this group... it would be good if
everyone updated their details in the 'application' section, here is a map where
you can create your club location and update how many boats are there....

Cheers

Mark

--- In omegaxenon@..., Tony Tucker <tony@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how many people are registered on the forum, and
> where they sail?
>
>
> Thanks
> Tony
> Xenon 7543 Llandegfedd SC
>
>
> At 20:07 25/09/2010, JEREMY wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >   Although i'm trying to sell my Xenon, with little luck so far,
> > just a thought for next year, what would be peoples thoughts about
> > trying to get as many xenon's together some where fairly central,
> > somewhere camping/accomadation  available for a weekend/long
> > weekend, with possible suport from topper and some rig tuning kinda
> > experts, To try and relaunch a proper class association, as xenon's
> > seem very few and far between.
> >
> >just a thought.
> >
> >j.j.
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

We advertised an event at Chelmarsh sadly no takers, I agree it would
be nice to meet up we sail in club handicap races but cant help but
feel assymetrics not well suited to typical club mixed fleet racing on
a pond. We enjoy Xenon but starting to race lasers as bigger fleet
Xenon for away days eg Bala long distance race aberdovey sat sailing at
chelmarsh etc
David Partridge Xenon6261

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark <mark.a.rogers@...>
To: omegaxenon@...
Sent: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 9:10
Subject: [omegaxenon] Re: 2011




Hi Jeremy, Tony...

Its great to see a little activity on here, I am notional Treasurer for
the group and now really the only one that looks after the forum. The
previous Commodore Paul and myself were continually trying to drum up
interest for open meetings etc but it was a bit struggle. There seem to
be quite a few boats around but sailed by people who are not that
bothered about travelling for formal meetings... we love our Xenon and
it would be great to get together occationally with others but it never
seems to happen. With regards to the number of people registered there
are 54 on this group... it would be good if everyone updated their
details in the 'application' section, here is a map where you can
create your club location and update how many boats are there....

Cheers

Mark

--- In omegaxenon@..., Tony Tucker <tony@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how many people are registered on the forum, and
> where they sail?
>
>
> Thanks
> Tony
> Xenon 7543 Llandegfedd SC
>
>
> At 20:07 25/09/2010, JEREMY wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> > Although i'm trying to sell my Xenon, with little luck so far,
> > just a thought for next year, what would be peoples thoughts about
> > trying to get as many xenon's together some where fairly central,
> > somewhere camping/accomadation available for a weekend/long
> > weekend, with possible suport from topper and some rig tuning kinda
> > experts, To try and relaunch a proper class association, as xenon's
> > seem very few and far between.
> >
> >just a thought.
> >
> >j.j.
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi,

I spoke to jon manners at topper with surgestion about an open meeting to try
and get a load of xenon's together. They're prepared to help and mentioned
Datchet water(where ever that is)

So any idea's/ feedback, don't be shy

jeremy

Datchet Water, just off the M4 J5 at Slough East, it's where Topper are based.

It seems like a good idea, but probably next season, weathers too
unpredictable at this time of year, but we'd be up for it next Spring.

cheers
Tony



At 17:55 09/10/2010, JEREMY wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I spoke to jon manners at topper with surgestion about an open
>meeting to try and get a load of xenon's together. They're prepared
>to help and mentioned Datchet water(where ever that is)
>
>So any idea's/ feedback, don't be shy
>
>jeremy
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Works for me, and agree that next spring would probably be best - if
nothing else it will give us a bit more time to practice!

Richard


On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:02:05 +0100, Tony Tucker <tony@...>
wrote:

> Datchet Water, just off the M4 J5 at Slough East, it's where Topper are
> based.
>
> It seems like a good idea, but probably next season, weathers too
> unpredictable at this time of year, but we'd be up for it next Spring.
>
> cheers
> Tony
>
>
>
> At 17:55 09/10/2010, JEREMY wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I spoke to jon manners at topper with surgestion about an open
>> meeting to try and get a load of xenon's together. They're prepared
>> to help and mentioned Datchet water(where ever that is)
>>
>> So any idea's/ feedback, don't be shy
>>
>> jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>

And I suspect we could get a few of the guys from Topper out in their
Xenon's which might be humbling but informative!


At 10:30 10/10/2010, Richard Wright wrote:
>Works for me, and agree that next spring would probably be best - if
>nothing else it will give us a bit more time to practice!
>
>Richard
>
>
>On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:02:05 +0100, Tony Tucker <tony@...>
>wrote:
>
> > Datchet Water, just off the M4 J5 at Slough East, it's where Topper are
> > based.
> >
> > It seems like a good idea, but probably next season, weathers too
> > unpredictable at this time of year, but we'd be up for it next Spring.
> >
> > cheers
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > At 17:55 09/10/2010, JEREMY wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I spoke to jon manners at topper with surgestion about an open
> >> meeting to try and get a load of xenon's together. They're prepared
> >> to help and mentioned Datchet water(where ever that is)
> >>
> >> So any idea's/ feedback, don't be shy
> >>
> >> jeremy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

We would be up for that.

Datchet is lovely, plenty of space snd good winds...

If you can get Topper involved you will have suceeded where we have failed in
the past...

Cheers

Mark
--- In omegaxenon@..., Tony Tucker <tony@...> wrote:
>
> And I suspect we could get a few of the guys from Topper out in their
> Xenon's which might be humbling but informative!
>
>
> At 10:30 10/10/2010, Richard Wright wrote:
> >Works for me, and agree that next spring would probably be best - if
> >nothing else it will give us a bit more time to practice!
> >
> >Richard
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:02:05 +0100, Tony Tucker <tony@...>
> >wrote:
> >
> > > Datchet Water, just off the M4 J5 at Slough East, it's where Topper are
> > > based.
> > >
> > > It seems like a good idea, but probably next season, weathers too
> > > unpredictable at this time of year, but we'd be up for it next Spring.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > Tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 17:55 09/10/2010, JEREMY wrote:
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> I spoke to jon manners at topper with surgestion about an open
> > >> meeting to try and get a load of xenon's together. They're prepared
> > >> to help and mentioned Datchet water(where ever that is)
> > >>
> > >> So any idea's/ feedback, don't be shy
> > >>
> > >> jeremy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi,

Just to let you know i've sold my xenon, gone to a home in plymouth

Cheers

jeremy

Hi Guys,

spoke to jon again from topper the other day, topper are happy to help organise
an open meeting, my idea was to have a days training and tuning advise from the
expert from topper and then a day racing and having fun, if i had the boat still
i'd be happy to run with it, but i've sold mine now, so someone please take it
on

thanks

j.j.

I've taken ownership of 2 used Xenons from Topper. They seem to be missing the
fixing plates for the 2 lower shrouds / forestay. Topper are telling me on the
earlier models, they didn't have plates and were attached using sting/rope.  
Does anyone know if this is true ?

On our Xenon (2009 Enterprise cup) the forestay just ties around the
bar holding the jib furling mechanism, but the shrouds attach to
plates with tension adjustment.

cheers
Tony

At 17:49 08/04/2011, thimblethorpe@... wrote:
>I've taken ownership of 2 used Xenons from Topper. They seem to be
>missing the fixing plates for the 2 lower shrouds / forestay. Topper
>are telling me on the earlier models, they didn't have plates and
>were attached using sting/rope.   Does anyone know if this is true ?
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

We are finding it very difficult to get the battens to pop across in
very light winds, need to do violent roll tacks to get them to pop.
We've tried increasing gnav tension as tight as possible to try to
make the sail flatter and more amenable to popping, all to no avail.


Anyone else finding this difficult or found a solution?

thanks
Tony
Xenon 7543

We certainly have a similar issues but have now go to a position where
it will pop across with fairly gentle roll.  Main thing that we did
was to slightly increase the tension in the stays to get a bit more
curve in the mast so that it better follows the shape of the sail,
this seems to take a bit of tension off the leech of the sail.
No expert and still working on getting the best from the rest of the
control lines; it does seem to be very sensitive to getting the rig
set up well to go, especially in light winds.

R.

Thanks Richard, when you say more tension in the stays, do you know
what you tensioned them at?


thanks
Tony



At 14:57 11/04/2011, Richard Wright wrote:
>We certainly have a similar issues but have now go to a position where
>it will pop across with fairly gentle roll.  Main thing that we did
>was to slightly increase the tension in the stays to get a bit more
>curve in the mast so that it better follows the shape of the sail,
>this seems to take a bit of tension off the leech of the sail.
>No expert and still working on getting the best from the rest of the
>control lines; it does seem to be very sensitive to getting the rig
>set up well to go, especially in light winds.
>
>R.
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Not got to that level of sophisication yet!  I just moved both sides
down one pin on the adjusters and pulled on the jib haliard back to
where I normally put it, you can see the mast bend quite nicely and
the top of the sail gets a nice shape.

I must get some measurement stickers, black permenent marker works for
now though.

No telling if this really is the fix, perhaps we just got better at
the roll tacks ;-)

R.

On our new Xenon, we've got one of the white, tissue like spinnakers.  It seems
virtually brand new. We seem to be having a problem with hoisting and lowering,
as it seem to be having great difficulty fitting in the front of the sock. It
works if you stand at the front of the boat and squeeze it a bit and feed it in.
I don't want to pull on the line too much with fear of ripping the patches off.
Have I got it rigged right ?

Just confirm, the lower patch with the ring, and the upper patch gets pulled
together before the being pulled into the sock ?

Yes the ring and the patch get pulled together when stowing. Silicon
spray on the mouth of the sock helps with stowing.  Incorrect rigging
usually shows when you hoist, not on stowing

cheers
Tony


At 21:32 13/04/2011, thimblethorpe@... wrote:
>On our new Xenon, we've got one of the white, tissue like
>spinnakers.  It seems virtually brand new. We seem to be having a
>problem with hoisting and lowering, as it seem to be having great
>difficulty fitting in the front of the sock. It works if you stand
>at the front of the boat and squeeze it a bit and feed it in. I
>don't want to pull on the line too much with fear of ripping the
>patches off. Have I got it rigged right ?
>
>Just confirm, the lower patch with the ring, and the upper patch
>gets pulled together before the being pulled into the sock ?
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

It can take some effort, keeping a bit of tension on the sheet stops
too much material getting bunched together and this can help, get the
crew to pass the sheet to the helm and as you drop take in the slack.
The rings together is normal as it goes in and even my gorrila tugs
have failed to rip the fixings out of the sail in 2 seasons or more!

David

On our new Xenon, we've got one of the white, tissue like spinnakers.
It seems virtually brand new. We seem to be having a problem with
hoisting and lowering, as it seem to be having great difficulty fitting
in the front of the sock. It works if you stand at the front of the
boat and squeeze it a bit and feed it in. I don't want to pull on the
line too much with fear of ripping the patches off. Have I got it
rigged right ?

Just confirm, the lower patch with the ring, and the upper patch gets
pulled together before the being pulled into the sock ?

Hi All

Sorry been a bit quiet recently, all sorts of things getting in the way of
sailing... children, work etc !!!.

Yes it is a pain getting the kite in, several key points.

1) Always get the kite down when running straight down wind
2) Do it quickly !!!! so as the kite hits the entrance you pull it in in one
smooth movement, once it stops then it harder to get in.
3) Do the bungee mod so that the sheets are all kept nice and tidy and as you
pull in the slack will automatically be taken up (a bit !!).
4) Silicon all around the shoot entrance and do the kite as well.
5) Try having a loop at the end of the sheet at the top patch with a knot that
stops the sheet sliding through the botton patch hole, the idea being that you
try and create a gap between the top and bottom patch when they get to the shoot
entrance and therefore are sort of 2 smaller bunches and a little easier to get
in, you cannot make the gap too big otherwise the top of the kite will not pull
in all the way... but a little bit hanging out is OK if it makes it easier to
get in.

Cheers

Mark

--- In omegaxenon@..., David Partridge <dpart@...> wrote:
>
> It can take some effort, keeping a bit of tension on the sheet stops
> too much material getting bunched together and this can help, get the
> crew to pass the sheet to the helm and as you drop take in the slack.
> The rings together is normal as it goes in and even my gorrila tugs
> have failed to rip the fixings out of the sail in 2 seasons or more!
>
> David
>
> On our new Xenon, we've got one of the white, tissue like spinnakers.
> It seems virtually brand new. We seem to be having a problem with
> hoisting and lowering, as it seem to be having great difficulty fitting
> in the front of the sock. It works if you stand at the front of the
> boat and squeeze it a bit and feed it in. I don't want to pull on the
> line too much with fear of ripping the patches off. Have I got it
> rigged right ?
>
> Just confirm, the lower patch with the ring, and the upper patch gets
> pulled together before the being pulled into the sock ?
>

Hi,

i've got a dart 18 now(which you must try if you get a change, totally different
beast)so thanks for any help in the past.

thanks guys

j.j.

I've got an Omega. Pretty similar set up to a Xenon. I've spent many phone calls
to Topper trying to sort out the geneka launch and recovery. The issue of the
kite bunching on attempted launch is alleviated by making some spacers to
increase the size of chute mouth. There are 4 screws in totoal that will need to
be replaced by longer versions. I used my Wifes plastic chopping board to create
the spacers. I used 2 thicknesses of board on each side.

This had helped considerably but hasn't totally sorted the situation.

Once the birds have fledged from the nest they've made in the sock, I'm going to
insert a board to blend the fibreglass chute profile into the first 1/3 of the
fabric sock. This is where my kite tends to bunch.

Regards

Max

Hi folks

New to the group, although have had a Topper Omega since 2004.

Original canvas style top cover has reached the end of its life due to weather
wear and I'm looking to buy a new cover.

Previously stored with the boom above the cover but may look to store with boom
under cover in future.

Topper seem to sell canvas style covers but I'm ideally looking for a
plastic/pvc style cover for easier cleaning/less mildew build up ....... but
can't seem to find such a cover.

Would be most grateful if anyone out there could please recommend a suitable new
cover for an Omega, or point me in the right direction of a suitable company
specialising in dinghy covers.

Many thanks.

Andy Gray
Edinburgh

I am one on my 3rd zip slider ,has  anyone else had this problem, after we have
been out in heavy weather not reef, we have loss the slide
Also if posssible could you get the info off the slider so e can ordered a new
one.
I do not want to destroy the sail and put reefing lines in.

Thanks

Hi there, I'm new to the forum.  We are racing an Omega up in Peterhead in
Aberdeenshire.  We are currently racing on a rating of 1075.  We have been doing
quite well in lighter conditions  and a few of the stalwarts are starting to
question our handicap.  The 1075 came from the Topper website.

Has anyone else got experience of racing Omegas on handicap? What handicap is
your club using, does it seem about right?

Paul

We race a Xenon, which does have an official RYA figure of 1070, and
compared to that I think the Omega at 1075 is about right. We also do
much better in lighter conditions, and it's a fact of life that the
handicap system provides a general, all winds figure and any boat
will do better in some conditions and worse in others.  So I think
you should stick to 1075 and enjoy the success.

cheers
Tony


At 21:53 20/09/2011, ardshellach wrote:
>Hi there, I'm new to the forum.  We are racing an Omega up in
>Peterhead in Aberdeenshire.  We are currently racing on a rating of
>1075.  We have been doing quite well in lighter conditions  and a
>few of the stalwarts are starting to question our handicap.  The
>1075 came from the Topper website.
>
>Has anyone else got experience of racing Omegas on handicap? What
>handicap is your club using, does it seem about right?
>
>Paul
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I need to move my xenon to it's winter home, so I'm looking for a road trailer.
Can someone give me the dimensions and poss some pics.  I've been offered a RS
Vision road trailer to borrow but not sure it will fit.